http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726
Can this be true? The U.S. Government destroyed both towers? My side is with this documentary. It is approximately 1 hour and 20 min long. So you may want to bookmark it or something. This documentary project is called Loose Change.
U.S. Government behind 9/11 Attack?
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I'm trying to come up with a way of describing such conspiracy theories with including the word "retarded", but such is impossible.
To answer the question: no, don't be stupid.
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No, this is completely absurd. If the Government had any role in the 9/11 attacks, it would be "staying their hand" like what Roosevelt did with Pearl Harbour; that is, Bush found out (shortly) before the attacks occured that they could happen, but he either doubted the possibility or simply allowed them to be carried out.
The Government did not plan this, and the unlikelihood of analysing old government documents and uncensored media coverge resulting in a link is crazy, too.
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Okay, not normally do I get my points from Maddox, but he brings up a great one:
If the government planned the 9/11 attacks (which means that they intentionally killed thousands of people to begin with), why wouldn't they kill the creator (Dylan Avery or whatever) of a video that may possibly attempt to uncover the plot? They already had killed thousands, so what would it hurt by killing Avery?
To directly quote Maddox, 'The fact that Dylan Avery is alive, means that Loose Change is bullshit.' XD
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So all of you are saying this was one big fucking coincidence.
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Um, yeah, basically. Sorry, but even hardcore conspiracy theorist nuts think Loose Change is a bunch of crap. If there WERE a conspiracy behind 9/11, this video wouldn't prove it…I don't believe the government was involved, but if it was, there are other videos that are way more believable than this one.
By the way, Maddox was already mentioned. His article links to a site with a line by line refutation of Loose Change. I admit, many of the refutations are without basis, but it at least proves that there are multiple possibilities and that government involvement isn't proven.
The link is: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
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I'm so sorry, but the only way I can reply to this is:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
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I saw a book at the other day for you.
I thumbed through it and they talk about this particular video. One of which was how this video took the man's "cruise missle with wings" quote completely out of context. He first describes it as a very low flying plane, but Loose Change apparently didn't list that part..
At any rate, this video is so fucking old I can't believe it was posted.
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Wow. I guess Barnum was right…
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yeah, loose change, a nice video. can't take what they say for granted, but still fun to watch. at least it makes you realize that you can't take for granted everything that is told to you. make your own beliefs and decide what's true.
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Ok, I totally don't believe it, but here's something all-encompassingly different.
The X-Files had a spin-off show called The Lone Gunmen based around those three computer hackers that Mulder would often seek out for assistance. I recall in the pilot episode they actually thwart an attempt to crash a 747 into the World Trade Center which WAS a conspiracy by a secret government agency.
The show aired in 2001…the pilot episode in March of that year.
Pretty freaky, huh?
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This has as much factual information as that movie on America turning into a fascist state.
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I also heard in Spider-Man 1 there was a part that circled around Spider-man trying to stop a plane from crashing into the world trade centers. And when 9/11 happened they had to completely rework the film.
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Yeah, I heard about that scene being cut out too.
LOL, conspiracy theorists.
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Do you guys just refuse to believe this stuff because you wan't to feel safe…? Sure, Loose change has some facts wrong, but the Government HAS done terrible things.
Oh, and btw, Al-Qaeda shouldn't be arrested. Bush senior should be.
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There was a scene in Lilo and Stitch that was cut where he hijacks a 747 to save Lilo from the spaceship.
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I'm trying to come up with a way of describing such conspiracy theories with including the word "retarded", but such is impossible.
To answer the question: no, don't be stupid.
QFT (god damn post length)
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Ok, I totally don't believe it, but here's something all-encompassingly different.
The X-Files had a spin-off show called The Lone Gunmen based around those three computer hackers that Mulder would often seek out for assistance. I recall in the pilot episode they actually thwart an attempt to crash a 747 into the World Trade Center which WAS a conspiracy by a secret government agency.
The show aired in 2001…the pilot episode in March of that year.
Pretty freaky, huh?
what happened to the show?
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another good video is "In Plane Sight"
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@SuNa:
Okay, not normally do I get my points from Maddox, but he brings up a great one:
If the government planned the 9/11 attacks (which means that they intentionally killed thousands of people to begin with), why wouldn't they kill the creator (Dylan Avery or whatever) of a video that may possibly attempt to uncover the plot? They already had killed thousands, so what would it hurt by killing Avery?
To directly quote Maddox, 'The fact that Dylan Avery is alive, means that Loose Change is bullshit.' XD
Unless they thought killing him would bring more suspension onto them and leting him live makes people like you think it is fake.
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Why would the U.S goverment even try and think of killing thousands of people and firemen and police officers? I agree with everyone else, this video is unbeliveable c r a p.
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one of the main reasons is to that we'd go to war with countries that don't deserve it.
BTW when was the video made? they said that "to this date" they never released the cell phone calls from Flight 93 or whatever, but I remember seeing some special on TV where they did release them. Unless they were reenacted or something….
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@Masta:
Do you guys just refuse to believe this stuff because you wan't to feel safe…? Sure, Loose change has some facts wrong, but the Government HAS done terrible things.
No shit, but no one is denying that the government has done wrong things before. Hell, pretty much every government or nation has done many horrible deeds.
We're refusing to believe because it barely makes any goddamn sense.
Oh, and btw, Al-Qaeda shouldn't be arrested. Bush senior should be.
Alright, you'll have to do some explaining here. Al Qaeda has killed many innocent people. As far as I know Bush's crimes were being a lackluster president, throwing up on the Japanese Prime Minister, and saying that Atheists are un-American.
Unless you're talking about the US training militants in the Middle East, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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This is funny:
http://ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-conspiracy.mp3WARNING: Strong language.
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@yokaiforte:
This has as much factual information as that movie on America turning into a fascist state.
Uh, when people compare America to Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy, of course people are going to say, "Oh, America's not a fascist state at all".
But strong governments, inherently, push toward more central authoritarian control. Basically put, since FDR's strengthening of presidential power, the US has become increasingly more facist over time.
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Which would reflect this video, as, while the movies have hardly any merit what so ever, the possibility is still out there.
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The conspiracy theories were sprouting one or two days after 9/11. I was listening to the radio and some guy was saying it was the worlds favorite scapegoat…Jews!
The fact is that the terrorist extremist branch of Muslims are the ones behind most terrorist attacks.
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That guy on the radio could have been Mel Gibson.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726
Can this be true? The U.S. Government destroyed both towers? My side is with this documentary. It is approximately 1 hour and 20 min long. So you may want to bookmark it or something. This documentary project is called Loose Change.You actually believe this mierda, Mr. Prince?
In this case, I don't care who the U.S. President is or what party he belongs to. There is no U.S. President/Commander-in-Chief who would order a massacre of his own people to start a war. That's crazy….
Next you'll tell me 9/11 did not happen....
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Edit : nevermind, wrong president once again…...^^
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There's one thing I've always thought curious about the things, the first thing was, why would terrorists try to take down the worlds lead buisness trade office, THEN take out the government. And if they were to do that, then why wouldn't they all have originated at the same airport? Also, the flight time for the ones that hit the trade centers was way less than the one that left Dulles in Washington D.C., and the one that supposedly hit the Pentagon (flying almost level at less than 2 feet above the ground over a highway just before hitting)
Now I do believe that there was indeed a terror plot that day, the Government knew about it, but took it to the next step elevating it to make it seem much worse, and that the government was being attacked also.
If the government was so adamant about this not being a conspiracy, then why not release the tapes of the plane flying to the Pentagon? Surely there is no harm in releasing them if all it shows is what they say. So what if the originals are being used for evidence, that's where they could make copies. I hardly see any reason why those tapes need to stay classified, it's not only been 5 years, but they haven't done anything to investigate that in that time! Until those confiscated tapes are released, I say there was some sort of conspiracy going on that day that we aren't supposed to know about.
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@Master:
You actually believe this mierda, Mr. Prince?
In this case, I don't care who the U.S. President is or what party he belongs to. There is no U.S. President/Commander-in-Chief who would order a massacre of his own people to start a war. That's crazy….
Next you'll tell me 9/11 did not happen....
well some people try to say the holocaust didn't happen.
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Right. And one of those people happen to be the leader of Iran, who is Anti-Semetic.
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@Master:
You actually believe this mierda, Mr. Prince?
In this case, I don't care who the U.S. President is or what party he belongs to. There is no U.S. President/Commander-in-Chief who would order a massacre of his own people to start a war. That's crazy….
Next you'll tell me 9/11 did not happen....
I guess I am actually that stupid.
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The inherent problem with all conspiracies is the massive coordination that it would require not only to set up the plan, but to execute it in such a manner as to convince the public of its authenticity. Furthermore, it would require that the government be capable of concealing said evidence from the world.
This necessitates a level of competency not once demonstrated by this government in any instance or any attempt at anything as well as a government wholly free from leaks and individuals who disagree with the methods of said government.
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Bravo, Ubiq.
In any case, the Bush Administration is too flawed for any said attempt at coordinating the eyes of the public.
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@yokaiforte:
In any case, the Bush Administration is too flawed for any said attempt at coordinating the eyes of the public.
or maybe thats just what they want you to think so that no one would suspect them of doing afore mentioned coordinating
holy further conspiracy theory batman:shocked:
nah seriously i honestly think there might be something that the goverment did/and or knew that we were never told about the 9/11 incident but really while these "loose change" guys do bring up a few pretty intresting points bout the pentagon they are mostly full of shit….
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everyone agreeing with these needs to go watch some P&T: Bullshit STAT
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I'm surprised this hasn't been linked yet. Maddox's take on 9/11 conspiracies and loose change in particular. Strong language, though, so watch out. Penn & Teller also works if you can find the episode.
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@Dr.:
I'm surprised this hasn't been linked yet. Maddox's take on 9/11 conspiracies and loose change in particular. Strong language, though, so watch out. Penn & Teller also works if you can find the episode.
that wins plain and simple
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everyone agreeing with these needs to go watch some P&T: Bullshit STAT
OMG there was a Pen and Teller about this? I have to see this, that's like my new favorite show. What was the episode about it called?
EDIT found it
oooh talks about the moon landing too, this'll be fun. Well if Penn and Teller debunk it then I probably won't believe it. Those guys are very convincing
Right now on 9/11 I don't know where I stand, there's so much evidence either way but I think it'sm ore that I don't want to believe the government would do that. -
As much as I detest our government, this seems pretty farfetched. I don't think the government was behind 9/11. I'm pretty sure they sacrifice a few people, but not thousand of people. Although Bush playing the part of the fool does make for a good cover up.
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what happened to the show?
First aired in March 2001 and was cancelled in June of the same year. Came and went before 9/11 ever even happened. Whoo~ two pages late!
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I enjoyed the Penn and Teller on conspiricy theories. Especialy when they showed the guy who says we didn't land on the moon and he had all these pictures and stuff on a board and on the board there was a note that said "Clean Chimy"… WTF is a Chimy? XD
But man... I hated their episode about abstinence, they make me feel so pathetic for being a virgin ;_;
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The inherent problem with all conspiracies is the massive coordination that it would require not only to set up the plan, but to execute it in such a manner as to convince the public of its authenticity. Furthermore, it would require that the government be capable of concealing said evidence from the world.
And as Maddox said, keep all the FBI agents, firefighters, demolitions experts, scientists, CIA, rescue workers, police, airline pilots…actually, I don't feel like typing out the whole thing. But you get the idea.
I'm of the belief that the government had evidence this would happen, but largely ignored it. This would put them at fault, but it wouldn't mean they caused it.
Now, the only government involvement I honestly believe is the collapse of WTC 7, I believe that building was purposely blown up via explosives wired into the building...and it makes sense, as there were CIA offices in that building, and putting a "self-destruct mechanism" so to speak in places that contain highly sensitive documents, is fairly stardard practice (just in case the place gets taken over or whatnot).
But the collapse of WTC 7 had no casualties. So, there you go.
I hated their episode about abstinence, they make me feel so pathetic for being a virgin ;_;
Wait, I'm supposed to feel pathetic for being a virgin? Blast, I've been going about this whole thing the wrong way…
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This is utter rubbish. The conspiricy of the U.S Government being behind these attacks have been debunked countless times.
Not to mention that Zacarias something, that was jailed for Life just a few months ago for his role in the 9/11 thing.The people are always looking for a conspiricy. If its not who shot JFK, then its the Moon-landing or U.F.O's and now 9/11. Sheesh, some people need to get a life.