Well if firelord can't post anymore then that might be the end of the town anyway…
One Piece Mafia: Part III
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@Mrs.:
Outerspec, that's really risky of you to vote second. At this point I'm convinced there's a Mafia on Galaxy's wagon already. I still don't believe Galaxy is Maf.[/vote]
I don't see it as risky if you're trying to lynch Mafia. Look who is on right now at the time you are posting this. You are on. Huschel is on. Foolio is on. I'm on. It goes without saying Galaxy is on as he tries to dodge his way out of this. The only people not on are Firelord and SpaceCowboy and the latter already voted. If at least 1 person on Galaxy's wagon is Mafia then the other 2 Mafia are currently here and would have hammered already unless you're saying Firelord is Mafia. Are you saying that? If not then what you're saying doesn't make sense. At this point it's plainly obvious Galaxy is Mafia and if you can't see that then I have to believe it's because you're choosing to ignore it.
@Galaxy:
How does two players agreeing with each other on a few points correlate to a scum team?
Oh please, Galaxy. You know it's a lot more than that. Actually, you're ignoring the fact that I was initially suspicious of you 2 because of your constant back and forths which read fake to me. Regardless of how much it was genuine in Foolio's eyes there was no denying it felt kind of forced.
Reading your original post against the day extension… what scum hunting techniques did you plan to enact in that 13 hour time period that would've been effective? No votes were cast, and we were heading into the "dead" part of the game day (night in the US). And why didn't you put down a vote then and there?
I didn’t vote because I had 13 hours. That's plenty of time. The only reason I voted now with 13 hours is becaus, again as I already explained, was because I did not want the Huschel wagon to gain more traction than yours. Is it not obvious I think there's a much higher chance of you being scum than Huschel?
As for my scum hunting technique it was going to be a nice bolded vote. What about you? All you've done is stay on the defensive. You haven't so much as hunted scum as just piggy backed off of Foolio's "suspicions".
This doesn't change what I said. You could've changed your vote vote to reflect where you stood.
I did one better.
Yes, that's the post I was referring to. What do you think of it?
I already answered that…twice now I believe but I'll do it thrice. I think it would have been better to lynch in those 13 hours than ask for a Day extension because you were without a doubt the #1 probable lynch.
Wait.. but you also said:
Are you referring to the role claim as town messing up, or Kitsune's lynch? Wasn't that about to be a sure thing before the day extension on Day 3 anyways?
If you mean Foolio's claim, you should elaborate.
Kitsune's lynch was about to be a sure thing? Not exactly. That's why Foolio claimed to push more pressure his way and get it off him. So his claim led Town to finish off an already suspected Townie. So, yeah, that messed up Town.
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Well if firelord can't post anymore then that might be the end of the town anyway…
Looking at those votes on Galaxy who donyou think are Mafia teams?
Me, Space, and Huschel who hasn't hammered yet?
Me, Space, and Iceburg who had every chance but didn't vote Galaxy?
Me, Space, and….??? You???
No, I'm being serious I'm honestly confused here.
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Oh please, Galaxy. You know it's a lot more than that. Actually, you're ignoring the fact that I was initially suspicious of you 2 because of your constant back and forths which read fake to me. Regardless of how much it was genuine in Foolio's eyes there was no denying it felt kind of forced.
No, I'm not ignoring that.
So what was forced about it exactly?
I didn’t vote because I had 13 hours. That's plenty of time. The only reason I voted now with 13 hours is becaus, again as I already explained, was because I did not want the Huschel wagon to gain more traction than yours. Is it not obvious I think there's a much higher chance of you being scum than Huschel?
You still had 13 hours at the time of your current vote, and now have 10. Going by your second part, you don't want town to consider all options? You'd rather "rush" and lead the charge to prevent town from discussing another lynch?
As for my scum hunting technique it was going to be a nice bolded vote. What about you? All you've done is stay on the defensive.
My scum hunting technique was to want a day extension, so that we could actually scum hunt and not rush to vote.
You can claim it'd be a vote, but you didn't show it.
You haven't so much as hunted scum as just piggy backed off of Foolio's "suspicions".
Considering I've been suspicious of him myself, how is this true? What suspicions have I piggy backed off of?
Kitsune's lynch was about to be a sure thing? Not exactly. That's why Foolio claimed to push more pressure his way and get it off him. So his claim led Town to finish off an already suspected Townie. So, yeah, that messed up Town.
Kitsune was the most discussed of the day. Miss Iceburg, myself, and SkullJoke were saying that we were going to vote him before the lynch. By all means, he had more "vote votes" on him than Foolio at the time.
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The only reason I voted now with 13 hours is becaus, again as I already explained, was because I did not want the Huschel wagon to gain more traction than yours. Is it not obvious I think there's a much higher chance of you being scum than Huschel?
I still highly disagree with this reasoning. Do you think in general that townies are just going to pick the biggest wagon instead of deciding on their own? Is that what you WANT them to do? I get that you're super convinced Galaxy is mafia but you put the town at risk just so you can wave a bigger flag.
Looking at those votes on Galaxy who donyou think are Mafia teams?
Me, Space, and Huschel who hasn't hammered yet?
Me, Space, and Iceburg who had every chance but didn't vote Galaxy?
Me, Space, and….??? You???
No, I'm being serious I'm honestly confused here.
You saying you still suspect firelord? Okay then.
I'm not 100% set on Iceburg being cleared but it could still be Huschel/Galaxy/SpaceCowboy or Huschel/Outerspec/SpaceCowboy in my eyes. The first scenario is still in line with my previous thoughts. And again, Iceburg is still a wild card to me. But I'd have to evaluate that if/when we make it to another day.
It's not like I don't find Galaxy scummy it's just that I made my decision based on the simple fact that I'm wagering I was roleblocked. At this point I'm refusing to overcomplicate. In principle I'm shedding no tears over a Galaxy lynch, I'm just not liking the way things are unfolding. That's what's giving me a bad feeling.
But I'm going to bed. So hey, if you now think my scumminess has multiplied tenfold, great. Let's argue that tomorrow. Not that I'm confident there will be one.
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@Galaxy:
No, I'm not ignoring that.
So what was forced about it exactly?
Just the general tone and the fact you never once put a vote down on him.
You still had 13 hours at the time of your current vote, and now have 10. Going by your second part, you don't want town to consider all options? You'd rather "rush" and lead the charge to prevent town from discussing another lynch?
Why are you and Foolio trying to frame it like that? I didn't tell anyone who to vote for. I said I'd be suspicious of anyone who voted for Huschel and it was my personal opinion Town should vote for you. How does that prevent people from not listening to me? What can I do to stop people from voting for someone else? Last but no least why is my personal opinion deemed so hostile?
Hey, Foolio voted for Huschel and he's having serious doubts about the Galaxy wagon! He's leading a charge and discouraging people from voting Galaxy! Hey, Iceburg said she believes there's at least 1 Mafia member on the Galaxy wagon and she'll probably end up voting Huschel. That could only mean she is secretly trying to prevent Town from looking at all their options! Or, maybe, just like me they believe they have the right suspect in their sights and are hoping people join them in their vote.
Maybe, or you are all Mafia and are trying to save your skin. Hmm?
My scum hunting technique was to want a day extension, so that we could actually scum hunt and not rush to vote.
You can claim it'd be a vote, but you didn't show it.
So you just don't believe me. Ok. Anyway, it's the same Day and I have my vote on you now.
Considering I've been suspicious of him myself, how is this true? What suspicions have I piggy backed off of?
It's easy to say you're suspicious of someone. A vote says a lot more. Again, you never voted for Foolio. I can say your suspicionof Huschel seems to be taking a cue from Foolio.
Kitsune was the most discussed of the day. Miss Iceburg, myself, and SkullJoke were saying that we were going to vote him before the lynch. By all means, he had more "vote votes" on him than Foolio at the time.
Ok, I'll give you that but it just makes it look all the more fishy that Foolio claimed. Wouldn't you say?
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I would also like an updated list of Mafia suspects from you Galaxy if anything has changed in light of these votes. I can tell Me and Space are going to be on there but who is the 3rd? Surely it can't be Huschel and Foolio so is it Iceburg even when she adamantly refused to vote you and has been the least suspicious of you the entire game? Just no matter how you try to spin it this wagon looks like it's about to lynch a Mafia member unless all 3 are already on the wagon.--- Update From New Post Merge ---
I still highly disagree with this reasoning. Do you think in general that townies are just going to pick the biggest wagon instead of deciding on their own? Is that what you WANT them to do? I get that you're super convinced Galaxy is mafia but you put the town at risk just so you can wave a bigger flag.
I already answered this in response to Galaxy but I also want to add that going off of previous posts and the fact we agreed there should be a consensus on the vote I felt that consensus was on Galaxy. Even you made a post asking about 'who is NOT willing to lynch Galaxy'. Ummmm….1 person. Well, 2 if you count Galaxy himself.
You saying you still suspect firelord? Okay then.
I'm not 100% set on Iceburg being cleared but it could still be Huschel/Galaxy/SpaceCowboy or Huschel/Outerspec/SpaceCowboy in my eyes. The first scenario is still in line with my previous thoughts. And again, Iceburg is still a wild card to me. But I'd have to evaluate that if/when we make it to another day.
It's not like I don't find Galaxy scummy it's just that I made my decision based on the simple fact that I'm wagering I was roleblocked. At this point I'm refusing to overcomplicate. In principle I'm shedding no tears over a Galaxy lynch, I'm just not liking the way things are unfolding. That's what's giving me a bad feeling.
But I'm going to bed. So hey, if you now think my scumminess has multiplied tenfold, great. Let's argue that tomorrow. Not that I'm confident there will be one.
I'm just so confused. How can you think Huschel is Mafia when he could have hammered to win already? In both Mafia scenarios you have Huschel. And where did I mention Firelord as Mafia? He's my LEAST suspected player. At this point I'm just waiting for one of our fellow Townies or a Mafia friend of Galaxy to hammer him because if Galaxy was Town it'd make no sense why he is still alive right now.
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Just the general tone and the fact you never once put a vote down on him.
He was one of my vote votes. That in itself is a vote of its own.
Why are you and Foolio trying to frame it like that? I didn't tell anyone who to vote for. I said I'd be suspicious of anyone who voted for Huschel and it was my personal opinion Town should vote for you. How does that prevent people from not listening to me? What can I do to stop people from voting for someone else? Last but no least why is my personal opinion deemed so hostile?
Because that's what it seems like. Your vote is the "rushed" vote, which doesn't help the town.
Hey, Foolio voted for Huschel and he's having serious doubts about the Galaxy wagon! He's leading a charge and discouraging people from voting Galaxy! Hey, Iceburg said she believes there's at least 1 Mafia member on the Galaxy wagon and she'll probably end up voting Huschel. That could only mean she is secretly trying to prevent Town from looking at all their options! Or, maybe, just like me they believe they have the right suspect in their sights and are hoping people join them in their vote.
The difference being that they are discussing their votes and putting down vote votes. They aren't pushing wagons with actual lynch votes.
So you just don't believe me. Ok. Anyway, it's the same Day and I have my vote on you now.
We're in the same circumstances and your actions are different. That is where the problem lies.
It's easy to say you're suspicious of someone. A vote says a lot more. Again, you never voted for Foolio. I can say your suspicionof Huschel seems to be taking a cue from Foolio.
Vote votes are by all means are votes on this day. That is what the town decided.
Ok, I'll give you that but it just makes it look all the more fishy that Foolio claimed. Wouldn't you say?
Yes, I've already called Foolio out for this. I'm beginning to suspect him less and less the more you post, though.
I would also like an updated list of Mafia suspects from you Galaxy if anything has changed in light of these votes. I can tell Me and Space are going to be on there but who is the 3rd? Surely it can't be Huschel and Foolio so is it Iceburg even when she adamantly refused to vote you and has been the least suspicious of you the entire game? Just no matter how you try to spin it this wagon looks like it's about to lynch a Mafia member unless all 3 are already on the wagon.
SpaceCowboy is on there for his weird posts, not for his vote. Likewise, for you, though, since I can't see any town perspective that rushes to get the hammer vote going twice. Then there's Huschel as the third, for his actions.
Miss Iceburg is nowhere on my suspect list. She's at the bottom.
And I thought maybe you'd address my plea to you, but I guess not. It goes without saying that my vote is now you. But not my "vote vote". No moral townsperson would rush the vote and not unvote when a hammer equals a lynch, especially at MYLO. If we were 1 hour away from the end, maybe, but not with this much time left.
Vote Lynch: Outerspec
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How can you think Huschel is Mafia when he could have hammered to win already?
That depends entirely on if Firelord's vote counts or not. That is where I think he is being cautious.
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That's fine and all I'm about to go to bed and I don't want to stay up all night going back and forth. I will say though that if the teams are SpaceCowboy, Iceburg, and Firelord I'm punching a wall.
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@Galaxy:
That depends entirely on if Firelord's vote counts or not. That is where I think he is being cautious.
That would be a little unfair wouldn't it because that being his last post if it doesn't count then Mafia automatically would win because of a no lynch unless Mafia purposefully lynch their own. Anyway, that's a question for the mods.
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That's fine and all I'm about to go to bed and I don't want to stay up all night going back and forth. I will say though that if the teams are SpaceCowboy, Iceburg, and Firelord I'm punching a wall.
If you plan to be awake in the day before day change, then you certainly should fulfill my plea.
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That would be a little unfair wouldn't it because that being his last post if it doesn't count then Mafia automatically would win because of a no lynch unless Mafia purposefully lynch their own. Anyway, that's a question for the mods.
I know that in prior games when commands were inputted wrongly, they didn't count. Would make sense if that applies here, but yeah, up to SUDK.
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Just for ease of mind I'll do this before I go to sleep.
unvote
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The only way you're not scum is if the above scum team of Iceburg, Spacey, and Firelord is true. I'll wait with Huschel and see what Iceburg has to say. Also, what is your plea? I'll adress it when I wake up.
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Just for ease of mind I'll do this before I go to sleep.
The only way you're not scum is if the above scum team of Iceburg, Spacey, and Firelord is true. I'll wait with Huschel and see what Iceburg has to say. Also, what is your plea? I'll adress it when I wake up.
It was:
@Galaxy:
Outerspec: For the sake of preventing a hammer vote now, please unvote until we're closer to the end. This is the risk your vote allows for.
Which you fulfilled.
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Sucks that Firelord can't play anymore… We might really need his vote.
Huschel, what is your Mafia dreamteam at this point?
Galaxy 9000, what is yours?
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@Mrs.:
Galaxy 9000, what is yours?
Outerspec, SpaceCowboy, Huschel
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Foolio, Outerspec, Huschel
You and Firelord are excluded from any scenario.
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I find my second choice more unlikely, mainly because of Outerspec's reactions towards Foolio. Could it be planned though? Maybe.
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(Just needed that first post out there)
Maybe I'm tunnelvisioning too much but I still can't bring myself to believe that Galaxy is Mafia. He would be the worst Mafia player ever. A true Mafia Survivalist; one whose contribution to the Maf team consists solely of surviving.
But he's been so active, but then again, that can be said of most of my suspects. And I do think his claim is sound, more than Huschel's.Shit Outerspec, I guess you have a point about Galaxy's wagon. I'm trying to figure out possible teams by now. And for that, I need to collect other people's teams. I have to work now but I'm thinking about it and I'll post more later.
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Alright Galaxy, thanks. Why do you exclude me from any scenario? What makes you believe so strongly I'm Town?
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@Mrs.:
Alright Galaxy, thanks. Why do you exclude me from any scenario? What makes you believe so strongly I'm Town?
You haven't been overly defensive (Outerspec), had a questionable claim (Huschel, SpaceCowboy), and have been one of the most consistent townies since Day 1. Of course, I'm not 100% sure, and if you are, you've hidden it well. You just give off the most townie vibe.
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@Mrs.:
Huschel, what is your Mafia dreamteam at this point?
It's come down to Galaxy, Mrs. Iceburg and SpaceCowboy.
Galaxy's claim is false. I now assume that he made it to discredit both me and Foolio at the same time to get either of us lynched. You are convinced that Galaxy is not mafia which I find plenty suspicious already. You're going a long way to defend a bad town player. It's LYLO now of course but you started earlier. SpaceCowboy has also been overly stubborn at times and his claim is just not a thing I can deal with.
firelord is probably cleared thanks to that early post. At the very least he's not the priority. That leaves OuterSpec. I've never seen anthing wrong with his play so I see no reason to suspect him. Maybe he's just that good
but I doubt it- woah, that sounds super mean. Let's go with - so well done if you are.I'm not sure how available I will be for the rest of the day so I'll vote now. L-1 obviously.
Vote Lynch: Galaxy9000 PS: That strike-through was for you, Kitsune <3
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I just want to say that I am here, acknowledge the postsn done and the current situation.
I just won't reply because I don't have a lot of time now.This is obviously to avoid the future "If space had come back, he would have taken the vote from Galaxy, his scum buddy".
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I'll go ahead and wait until near the Days end for you to say whatever you have to say, Galaxy. I will vote around 12:30 pm EST. If I don't hammer around then you can go ahead and assume I'm Galaxy's Mafia buddy trying to run out time or whatever. I figure I'll be the hanmer because Iceburg doesn't feel you're Mafia and Foolio would rather vote Huschel.
I will repeat my misgivings from earlier this morning that if Iceburg, Spacey, and Firelord are on a team though we probably just lost. I don't think they are. Looking at the absence of votes on them I don't think anyone else is looking at that scum team either.
Just putting this vote down here to show my intentions for Tomorrow if Galaxy is lynched and flips Mafia, and I don't survive through the Night.
Vote Lynch: Foolio
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With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Galaxy 9000 [3]: Space Cowboy, firelord111, Huschel,
Huschel [1]: Foolio
Outerspec [1]: Galaxy 9000
Foolio [1]: Outerspec
Not Voting: Mrs. IceburgI have accepted the vote of 'firelord111' towards 'Galaxy 9000' due to his absence, and it obviously being a vote against Galaxy.
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~ 3 hours remaining until day end
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The fact that nobody is getting hammered is highly concerning to me. It only makes sense to me right now in one context: there's only 2 mafia.
New theory: Instead of 4 townies and 3 mafia, we're looking at 4 townies, 2 mafia and 1 third party. Or MAYBE two 3rd party but that seems unlikely. This 3rd party would have to be anti-town for balance reasons.
God if I look at Mrs. Iceburg as 3rd party she suddenly makes so much more sense. Her assumption of two scum would be instantly explained, her report pressure would be less contradictory to the other reservations I still have about her. Bonus: she could be doing something funky to SpaceCowboy.
Anyway Galaxy, me OR Huschel not being hammered yet could be either because they really don't have the numbers, or because since the game won't end with another mislynch they absolutely have to avoid a scummy hammer.
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If that's true what are we going to do in the last 1 hour of the Day? In 5 minutes it's 12:30 pm EST and that's around the time I said I'd hammer but I'm willing to listen to some more theories and hold the vote for another 30 minutes.
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I will hammer no later than 1 pm though.
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Regarding Foolio's theory, I do see the two mafia thing being possible. I don't know if I buy a third party though after four days.
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An hour isn't enough for me to go back and try to draw new conclusions. In my re-read I remember some people stating their envisioned player composition, and some were assuming 3 mafia from early on (which could be useful information) but I can't remember who or if they're still alive.
I wish it gave me something conclusive about Galaxy, but he could still be innocent and not being hammered due to what I said.
But uhh let's see. Assuming firelord is still town and Iceburg is 3rd party. That means for me it's between Outerspec, Huschel, Galaxy, and SpaceCowboy. Space would be the most likely to be somehow influenced by a 3rd party. Scum team is either Huschel/Galaxy or Huschel/Outerspec in that case?
Well that's a hasty little theory that surely isn't covering all angles, but it makes me want to stay on Huschel. I'm sure you can modify it and make me the baddie. It means if Galaxy flips town that I'll suspect you (Outerspec) tons, but well. If we mislynch and we still fundamentally have three anti-town players, the game is still kind of over. Especially if firelord is leaving the game. SUDK is that something you can remedy? A replacement this late in the game is just… flawed.
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@Galaxy:
Regarding Foolio's theory, I do see the two mafia thing being possible. I don't know if I buy a third party though after four days.
So you think SpaceCowboy is making everything up and is definitely scum?
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So you think SpaceCowboy is making everything up and is definitely scum?
Yep. That's how his stuff reads at least. It came out of nowhere today, with no precedent.
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Well at any rate I think this game would be horribly unbalanced with just two mafia and no 3rd party, given all the roles in play. ESPECIALLY if your claim is true.
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If anybody would like a part in this Mafia game, please PM me in the next 24 hours.Position has been filled. -
You know also. A townie roleblocker makes slightly more sense when there are more threats to the town like a 3rd party.
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You know what Galaxy or Huschel could also be 3rd party if I'm wrong about Iceburg. The only player who is guaranteed NOT 3rd party is Outerspec. So whatever. Feel free to hammer. I'm tired of guessing and it has no signs of changing what will happen today.
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Okay Foolio I understand your sudden burst of paranoia but god, please, don't start thinking I'm third party now. I guess there's nothing I can say to make you believe I'm not but… I'm really not.
I really want to win this game and I need to find the Mafia for that. And if you're Town, I need you to work with me.
If you're Mafia, I still understand your paranoia, but then I know you'll push for my lynch either way, bc you want to get rid of Third Parties aswell as Townies and you don't care what I am.But I am concerned about nobody rushing or hammering. It could mean that Galaxy actually is Mafia, but that would make me look and feel very stupid. Not to mention suspicious.
If he is Town, that would mean the 3 on his wagon are probably Maf. Or two of them, bc there is Outerspec too,who unvoted him earlier and is going to hammer him later anyway.
The Mafia (then Huschel, Space and Outer) might be cautious because they can't win yet. It would make sense bc then Galaxy's and Fooli's claim would be true, and they could strongly stunt the Mafia in this final phase.A big problem I have with all these roles is the doubt whether this game is actually balanced. No offense Sudoku, but I know it can be hard. I just keep that in mind when I think of things like the combination of a Doc and Galaxy's killblock.
There being only 2 Mafia and possibly a Third Party is... unlikely.
Unnoticed TPs could be Cultists, but then we'd have seen more flipflopping I think... And if there is one, I think with all the Townie deaths, the chance of a Cult winning this sooner than Mafia are slim. So I wouldn't bother with it for now.2 Mafia on 11 Townies seems unbalanced with all these Town roles. I just read some disturbing stuff on Mafia-Town rates btw... Apparently there is very little consensus on what is balanced.
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Well Iceburg I'm not currently intending to change my vote… but you haven't voted either. Neither has Galaxy. If both you AND him switch to Huschel, it would at least give a remaining townie a CHANCE to hammer him instead. Right now Galaxy is sealing his own fate, which what the hell.
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Wait Galaxy voted Outerspec. But that's not helping atm.
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Unvote
Vote Lynch: Huschel
It's all I've got anyways…
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Galaxy 9000 [3]: Space Cowboy, firelord111, Huschel,
Huschel [2]: Foolio, Galaxy 9000
Foolio [1]: Outerspec
Not Voting: Mrs. Iceburg~ 1/2 hour remaining
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@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
Galaxy 9000 [3]: Space Cowboy, firelord111, Huschel,
Huschel [2]: Foolio, Galaxy 9000
Foolio [1]: Outerspec
Not Voting: Mrs. Iceburg~ 1.5 hours remaining
Huh? Shouldn't it be half an hour? 1:30 Eastern?
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Yeah, there's only 27 minutes left. Ok, I'm in a meeting right now. But i've long past my due point. If this loses it for Town then damn but I'm putting down my vote.
Vote: Galaxy9000
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Okay I think it's time.
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oh man
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Maybe that one doesn't count due to wording…
Just like Vote Vote:
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Huh? Shouldn't it be half an hour? 1:30 Eastern?
:ninja: I have no idea what you're talking about.
EDIT: I can't count Outerspec's vote.
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Alright, what's the verdict?
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@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
:ninja: I have no idea what you're talking about.
EDIT: I can't count Outerspec's vote.
You can't count my vote? Why?
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The sentiment is there, I'll count it anyway. You didn't unvote, but I'll change it anyway.
LYNCH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED!
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Oh derp.
**unvote
Vote Lynch: Galaxy 9000
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It had been a long, erratic day for the remaining zombies. Many accusations were thrown about, but nothing came of it in fear of the human bandwagon. Then, finally, someone voted. In series, everybody voted for everybody in a frenzy, before finally settling on Galaxy 9000. As the remainders began praying to Hades, a shot rang out. Galaxy 9000 was dead, and on his body they found a…Mafia License? The town rejoiced.
Galaxy 9000 was a Mafia Roleblocker. He won when all threats to the Mafia were eliminated. He could block one person per night from using their ability.
It is now Night time. You have 24 hours to PM me or Shinobu any night actions.
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The routine starts again for one of the remaining zombies. Under the moonlight, they go to a crypt, protect a person, and go back to a restless sleep. Unfortunately, they will not awaken again. The next day, as the undead gather and mull things over, they are barely phased when they find one missing. They explore the tents and find Foolio lying there, a mashed pool of silver and gore. Searching the place, the walkers discovered a stethoscope. How this helped a zombie, they never knew.
Foolio was a Town Doctor/Necromancer. Once per night, he could target a person and protect them from a Mafia kill. He won when all threats to the town were eliminated.
It is now Day 05: The Latter of Us Today will be 48 hours long, and no day extentions are happening.
Also, welcome BellisarioFaith, our firelord replacement!
With 5 players left, it takes 3 to lynch.
Not Voting: Outerspec, Space Cowboy, Mrs. Iceburg, Huschel, BellisarioFaith -
Hey, y'all. BellisarioFaith here. I know my username's kinda long, so feel free to just call me Faith. I've been following the game (I actually was gonna play but didn't sign up in time ~__~), so I'll do my best.
Dammit, we lost the doctor. Great. -__-
I'm on my phone right now, so it's hard to type too much. I'll come back in a couple hours to post a little more.
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Awwwwww damn, and the first thing I was going to do was drop a vote down on Foolio when the Day started. At least I was half right. I'm going to do a re-read and see what comes up now.
Who's left?
Iceburg
Huschel
SpaceCowboy
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Welcome Belli! I hope you're Townie!
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Well, it goes without saying Iceburg was Galaxy's #1 defender. Even Foolio who in the end was pulling back on Galaxy attacked him for the first half of the game. Don't need to re-read that much to know that.
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Huschel, I'm taking a risk here. I believe you're Townie. If you were Mafia you wouldn't have helped out Foolio like that when you said you saw him visit Iceburg that Night and tried to clear his name.
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Belli, thanks to Firelord I suspect you the least also. His actions scream Townie to me. I haven't suspected him since the very beginning.
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So Iceburg and SpaceCowboy, that just leaves you . Space, you were the first to throw a vote down on Galaxy but that doesn't mean you just weren't throwing your fellow Mafia member under the bus to gain Town cred. You were one of the only ones to try and frame Firelord as scummy even after he claimed though you did tone your rhetoric back some at the end.
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@Huschel: Unless as Mafia you knew Foolio's claim was legit and it made it easy for you to say you tracked him. Why would Mafia clear a Townie like that? Well, doesn't matter because he's dead now isn't he? So, actually, I'm on the fence between you and Spacey. So once again I think at the end of the Day I need to go with safest bet. Iceburg.
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I'm just going back through posts and posting things I see relevant so excuse all the merges:
Galaxy insists Iceburg isn't on his mafia dream team along with Firelord.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=168&p=3623120&viewfull=1#post3623120
Huschel appears twice along with me on people he thinks are Mafia. Foolio appears once but of course Foolio was backing Galaxy at the end there. SpaceCowboy appears once also even though Spacey was the first one to vote Galaxy…
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Huschel sharing very similar thoughts to the ones I'm having right now.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=169&p=3623160&viewfull=1#post3623160
For the record I'm also looking at a possible Galaxy, SpaceCowboy, and Huschel team but it's the least prospective in my eyes.
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Dammit, then there's the possible Galaxy, Iceburg, and Huschel team.
@Huschel, you got no report from Mafia Roleblocker Galaxy after tracking him on Night 2???
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=160&p=3622021&viewfull=1#post3622021
How is that possible unless he just happened to roleblock you that same Night or Galaxy chose not to roleblock anyone that Night which is highly unlikely.
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Okay, I'm back on the computer. First off, I forgot to say earlier, congrats on getting a Mafia, guys!
I was taking some notes last night while reading through way too many pages, so I'll share them with you guys in case they'll help. I seriously could not cover all the pages (I literally fell asleep last night while taking the notes), so if I missed some details, please correct me. I tried to change the notes to reflect Foolio's townie-ness, and since I took the notes from my own perspective (who I knew were townies, I also tried to change them to the POV of a neutral observer. That being said, I am super ridiculously tired, so I may have messed up, and if I did, I apologize.
First of all, the lynch votes. I apologize for not writing down who all voted whom on Day 1; as I said, I didn't have time to cover everything, and so I figured the end result of who voted not to lynch (which I found from a Day 2 or 3 post) was most important. Below, I'm gonna use blue for confirmed townie, red for confirmed Mafia, black for unknown.
Day 1: No Lynch (Kitsune Inferno, Outerspec, Galaxy 9000, Shuhan, SkullJoke, Mr. M, Space Cowboy)
Night 1: Mr. M dies. Vanilla Townie.Day 2 Lynches:
-Shuhan: Mrs. Iceburg, Huschel, Foolio, SkullJoke, Outerspec, Kitsune Inferno
-Galaxy 9000:Foolio, Shuhan, Wooden_Giraffe
-No Lynch: Galaxy 9000
-No Vote: firelord111/BellisarioFaith, SpaceCowboy
Result: Shuhan dies. Townie cop.
Night 2: Wooden_Giraffe dies. Townie cop.Day 3 Lynches:
-Kitsune Inferno: Foolio, Huschel, firelord111/BellisarioFaith, Space Cowboy, SkullJoke
-Foolio:Space Cowboy, Outerspec, Kitsune Inferno
-Mrs. Iceburg:firelord111/BellisarioFaith
-Huschel:Kitsune Inferno
-SkullJoke:Kitsune Inferno
-Space Cowboy:firelord111/me
Result: Kitsune Inferno dies. Vanilla Townie.
Night 3: SkullJoke dies. Vanilla TownieDay 4 Lynches:
-Galaxy 9000: Space Cowboy,Outerspec, firelord111/BellisarioFaith, Huschel, Outerspec
-Huschel: Foolio, Galaxy 9000, Mrs. Iceburg
-Foolio :Outerspec
-Outerspec:Galaxy 9000
-Mrs. Iceburg:firelord111/BellisarioFaith
Result: Galaxy 9000 dies. Mafia Roleblocker.
Night 4: Foolio Dies. Townie doctor.Confirmed Roles:
firelord111/me: Vengeful Townie
Mr. M: Vanilla Townie
Shuhan: Town Cop
Wooden_Giraffe: Town Cop
Kitsune Inferno: Vanilla Townie
Skull Joke: Vanilla Townie
Foolio: Town Doctor
Galaxy9000: Mafia RoleblockerClaimed Roles:
Huschel: Town Tracker
Mrs. Iceburg: Vanilla Townie
Outerspec: Vanilla Townie
Space Cowboy: Mafia some-shit-or-otherOther Notes:
- Pre-joining suspect list: firelord (least suspicious) (correct) < Foolio < Outerspec < Iceburg + Huschel + Space Cowboy (no goddamn clue with these three)
- Iceburg first to vote Shuhan, a townie. Refused to vote Galaxy, a Mafia.
- Huschel second to vote on two confirmed townies, second-to-last to vote (L-1) on confirmed Mafia, when other existing wagon was himself.
- Galaxy claims to have roleblocked Foolio, but Foolio claims to have visited Mrs. Iceburg, and Huschel backs this up. We know Galaxy was Mafia and Foolio was town. The question: whether Huschel lied about seeing Foolio visit Iceburg, and he and Galaxy purposely had contradicting claims so the rest of us would think they weren't working together. Also, does that mean Galaxy didn't roleblock Foolio? If not, why, and who was it instead.
- Space Cowboy claiming to be Mafia. Also claimed last time to be haunted by a ghost and got away with it (refuge in audacity?). But also first to vote Galaxy….
- Assuming three Mafia, a townie (Foolio) voted on Huschel, so at least one Mafia was on Galaxy's wagon. But two seems like too many, since the three Mafia just needed to convince one townie to vote their way to win. Unless both existing wagons (Galaxy and Huschel) were Mafia, and Huschel and the other Mafia hid together on Galaxy's wagon. Huschel and Galaxy didn't seem like they were working together, though.
- firelord has been suspicious of Mrs. Iceburg since very early on. Galaxy, on the other hand, very much was not…
I have to go. I'll try to be back later tonight.
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Ok, let me just put this Huschel and Galaxy exchange in order.
Huschel claims Scout/Tracker
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=159&p=3621988&viewfull=1#post3621988
Galaxy doubts there's a tracker along with 2 detectives for Town (we know for a fact that there
arewere 2 detectives)http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=160&p=3622042&viewfull=1#post3622042
Galaxy also brought up the possibility that Foolio is the Mafia Roleblocker, lol, in that same post. Anyway, Galaxy then later claims to be a "Village Drunk" and says he can roleblock anyone. He claims he roleblocked Foolio on Night 3. [Go to the end of his post which is a response to Foolio for relevant information]
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=162&p=3622279&viewfull=1#post3622279
(Now remember, Foolio said he protected Iceburg on Night 3 and Huschel backed up that statement when he said he tracked Foolio that same Night and saw indeed he did visit Iceburg.)
So Galaxy says there's no way Huschel could have tracked Doctor Foolio to Iceburg's doorstep on Night 3 unless, lol, somebody roleblocked poor ol' innocent Galaxy and allowed Foolio to use his Night power to protect Iceburg. This is very fishy. Very very fishy. Obviously, somebody is lying. Foolio was thinking along the same lines. Going through that info the likelihood of Galaxy and Huschel being on the same team has dwindled. When Galaxy could have just as easily claimed Vanilla or something he purposefully chose a role to make Foolio and Huschel look bad.
So this takes me back to my original scum team of Day 5 Galaxy, SpaceCowboy, and Iceburg. I would like ANYONE's feedback on anything I said in my posts and if I asked you a question please do take the time to answer.
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Galaxy claims to have roleblocked Foolio, but Foolio claims to have visited Mrs. Iceburg, and Huschel backs this up. We know Galaxy was Mafia and Foolio was town. The question: whether Huschel lied about seeing Foolio visit Iceburg, and he and Galaxy purposely had contradicting claims so the rest of us would think they weren't working together. Also, does that mean Galaxy didn't roleblock Foolio? If not, why, and who was it instead.
Huschel and Galaxy didn't seem like they were working together, though.
Wow, for someone who just joined Today and I commend you for your efforts and insight. Everything looks accurate to me.
Also, you pretty much hit what I was going to say on the whole Huschel and Galaxy exchange but there is still one thing nagging at me. On Night 2 Huschel said he tracked Galaxy but got no report. It turns out Galaxy was the Mafia Roleblocker. Galaxy would have to have gotten really lucky to just so happen to roleblock Huschel that Night.
If they were Mafia working together though it would make little sense for Huschel to say he tracked his fellow Mafia Roleblocker and got no report just in case Galaxy was lynched (like now). So…thoughts whenever you get back tonight?
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So Iceburg and SpaceCowboy, that just leaves you . Space, you were the first to throw a vote down on Galaxy but that doesn't mean you just weren't throwing your fellow Mafia member under the bus to gain Town cred. You were one of the only ones to try and frame Firelord as scummy even after he claimed though you did tone your rhetoric back some at the end.
He, in my defence, sacrificing a teammate to gain town cred is a viable mafia strategy, but sacrificing the role blocker while a doctor is in the house?
That´s crazy from every single perspective
@Huschel, you got no report from Mafia Roleblocker Galaxy after tracking him on Night 2???
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t…=1#post3622021
How is that possible unless he just happened to roleblock you that same Night or Galaxy chose not to roleblock anyone that Night which is highly unlikely.
I´ve also wondered about this one.
I thought that Galaxy could have simply gave up on the block, since he got heavily targeted during the Day, possibly afraid of a tracker.
Huschel´s claim just doesn´t really fit Galaxy´s scum role.
It cleared Foolio to some extent, and it put heavy pressure on Galaxy.
SOmething odd went down that night.@Huschel, how do you justify this?
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Also, concerning your first quote, Outer (about Firelord).
While I didn´t trust Firelord 100%, I think it´s heavy to say I was trying to frame him as Mafia.
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- Space Cowboy claiming to be Mafia. Also claimed last time to be haunted by a ghost and got away with it (refuge in audacity?). But also first to vote Galaxy….
We should kind of avoid going meta.
Other than that, I´m surprised about those observations.
Tell me, do you feel like a 3rd party (possibly Iceburg) like Foolio said on one of his latest posts of previous Day is possible.
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Also, you pretty much hit what I was going to say on the whole Huschel and Galaxy exchange but there is still one thing nagging at me. On Night 2 Huschel said he tracked Galaxy but got no report. It turns out Galaxy was the Mafia Roleblocker. Galaxy would have to have gotten really lucky to just so happen to roleblock Huschel that Night.
If they were Mafia working together though it would make little sense for Huschel to say he tracked his fellow Mafia Roleblocker and got no report just in case Galaxy was lynched (like now). So…thoughts whenever you get back tonight?
Again, thinking the same thing.
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Well… Consider me embarassed.
I was mentally preparing to face Foolio after yesterday's lynch... but I guess it's obvious that he was going to die. (silent salute to Foolio in the graveyard)
For me it's basically down to Outerspec and Huschel at this point. Maybe SpaceCowboy, but he has that weird claim thing going on. Bellisario/firelord isn't Mafia, I think, mostly because of firelord's claim.
Outerspec and Huschel are the only still living players who were on the famed Shuhan wagon, besides myself. I know I'm Town, and it's almost impossible that none of the Mafia voted for Shuhan, especially after there were some votes on there already (Outerspec).Outerspec voted Galaxy 9000 yesterday relatively early, calling him "the safest bet for Town". (#3327)
He then unvotes when he has to leave, "just for ease of mind". (#3355)
He later promises to hammer Galaxy 9000 at the end of the Day. He doesn't vote, just says he'll hammer. Instead, he votes Foolio, saying those are his "intentions for tomorrow". (# 3363)
At Day End, he hammers Galaxy. (# 3381) At that point it was clear no other wagon was going anywhere.This whole thing just screams opportunism. He gets a foot in the door by voting Galaxy, his scumbuddy, early on, but unvotes. Then votes a Townie later, probably hoping that wagon will pick up.
When he realizes his buddy is doomed to die, he's there to make sure everyone sees him bring down the hammer.I'll post more later, specifically I'll look into Huschel's case, but I'm too tired rn. I'll be back.
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He, in my defence, sacrificing a teammate to gain town cred is a viable mafia strategy, but sacrificing the role blocker while a doctor is in the house?
That´s crazy from every single perspective
Crazy enough it just might work? Nah, if Galaxy didn't have so much suspicion on him already you might have a point but like I was saying all Yesterday Galaxy was always the most viable target for a lynch. It's not like you would have needlessly/unnecessarily sacrificed your roleblocker for no reason. It's seeing the inevitable coming and getting ahead of it to gain Town cred.
As for the Doctor…the Mafia killed him last Night. Wait, with the Mafia Roleblocker dead why didn't Foolio protect himself again last Night!? FOOLIOOO!!!!!!
I´ve also wondered about this one.
I thought that Galaxy could have simply gave up on the block, since he got heavily targeted during the Day, possibly afraid of a tracker.
Huschel´s claim just doesn´t really fit Galaxy´s scum role.
It cleared Foolio to some extent, and it put heavy pressure on Galaxy.
SOmething odd went down that night.@Huschel, how do you justify this?
I would also like to hear an explanation for this.
Also, concerning your first quote, Outer (about Firelord).
While I didn´t trust Firelord 100%, I think it´s heavy to say I was trying to frame him as Mafia.
I was just concerned about how everyone simply got off his back with 0 questions asked after his claim. It seemed too dismissive of his role.Perhaps, but maybe people weren't being dismissive but rather simply reading Firelord as Town and focused on people they actually thought were Mafia? So when you kept bringing up how weird and suspicious you thought his reason for asking Foolio to claim was and how his claim was possibly a front for a Mafia cover it sure looked like you were trying to make others suspicious of him too. I repeat, that's what it looks like. Not saying, hey, that's what you were doing but it sure reads that way.
@Mrs.:
Well… Consider me embarassed.
I was mentally preparing to face Foolio after yesterday's lynch... but I guess it's obvious that he was going to die. (silent salute to Foolio in the graveyard)
Preparing to face him how? I was hell bent on going after him Today. His refusal to vote Galaxy after being so hard on him at the beginning of the game and even though Galaxy read scummy as hell, and then trying to start a wagon on Huschel at the end? Man, when I saw Galaxy flip Mafia I was like, "GOTCHA!" and I meant that for Galaxy and Foolio. Then Foolio was killed in the Night…
Damn. I don't know what you were preparing to face Foolio over but you both made the same mistake. Foolio's death clears him of his poor choice not to vote Galaxy. What about you?
For me it's basically down to Outerspec and Huschel at this point. Maybe SpaceCowboy, but he has that weird claim thing going on. Bellisario/firelord isn't Mafia, I think, mostly because of firelord's claim.
Outerspec and Huschel are the only still living players who were on the famed Shuhan wagon, besides myself. I know I'm Town, and it's almost impossible that none of the Mafia voted for Shuhan, especially after there were some votes on there already (Outerspec).Yes, me, Huschel, and you. We all voted for Shuhan. You say you're Town? That's not hard to say. I at least had a cop clear me and you can put "clear" in quoatations if you want but it's more than just me saying, 'Hey I know I'm Town!'
You're right, it's not likely there were no Mafia on that Shuhan wagon. I see yours and Huschel's names on that wagon.
Outerspec voted Galaxy 9000 yesterday relatively early, calling him "the safest bet for Town". (#3327)
Yes.
He then unvotes when he has to leave, "just for ease of mind". (#3355)
Uh-huh.
He later promises to hammer Galaxy 9000 at the end of the Day.
True.
He doesn't vote, just says he'll hammer. Instead, he votes Foolio, saying those are his "intentions for tomorrow". (# 3363)
Can't argue with that.
At Day End, he hammers Galaxy. (# 3381)
Yep.
At that point it was clear no other wagon was going anywhere.
Whoa.
Except the wagon that Foolio started at the end there against Huschel that you and Galaxy quickly jumped on giving it 3 votes???
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=169&p=3623536&viewfull=1#post3623536
What about that wagon? Well, it would've had 3 votes if I didn't hammer Galaxy before you voted Huschel.
This whole thing just screams opportunism. He gets a foot in the door by voting Galaxy, his scumbuddy, early on, but unvotes. Then votes a Townie later, probably hoping that wagon will pick up.
When he realizes his buddy is doomed to die, he's there to make sure everyone sees him bring down the hammer.But how was my vote on Foolio supposed to gain traction? I wasn't asking anyone else to vote for him. I wasn't pushing anyone to vote for him. In fact, I was telling people I was voting for Galaxy at a specific time the next Day.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=169&p=3623233&viewfull=1#post3623233
According to you I delayed 30 minutes to listen to Foolio and then with only 27 minutes left in the Day I hung my scumbuddy? Then when my vote didn't work I asked the mod what was going on because I really, really desperately wanted to hammer my scumbuddy even though a no-lynch would have = a win for Mafia?
Oh, and my scumbuddy decided it was a good idea to point out that my vote probably wasn't counting because that's great strategy?
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I can't believe no one has asked this yet. I'm sure he'll do it when he comes on but, Huschel, who did you track last Night and please tell me you have results!