On like page 11-12 of this chapter does anybody make anything of Momonosuke's mini flashback of Kaido?
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Anybody else thinks that might be like scales or something on his face? Think he has a mythical zoan dragon devil fruit and is why the samurais despise dragons?
On like page 11-12 of this chapter does anybody make anything of Momonosuke's mini flashback of Kaido?
Anybody else thinks that might be like scales or something on his face? Think he has a mythical zoan dragon devil fruit and is why the samurais despise dragons?
No, that picture shows us nothing. Now we know that Momo was describing Kaido and maybe Jack when Luffy said he was a pirate and Momo said pirates are huge, heavy barbarians.
On like page 11-12 of this chapter does anybody make anything of Momonosuke's mini flashback of Kaido?
Anybody else thinks that might be like scales or something on his face? Think he has a mythical zoan dragon devil fruit and is why the samurais despise dragons?
That picture doesn't really show anything, looks that way maybe because of how the scanlators cleaned it and such.
Still regardless of this picture, Kaidou is without at doubt, 100000% a dragon man.
@Galaxy:
And 8 year old Robin was apparently stronger than East Blue Luffy and all of the Straw Hats.
Bounty is a measure of threat level, not power. Power can play a deciding factor in that threat, but the number itself is not a "power level".
True but without power one cannot be a threat, I understand kt's not linear but this whole "jack's bounty is Only high because he likes to be violent " has been repeated ad nauseum so that people think zoro would have only a kind tough time with him, like how ryuma pushed him.
You dont get a billion bounty without tremendous power,
This ridiculous underrating of jack, especially on YT theory channel's, slightly grinds my gears lol
@Kaido:
Jack's death was reported several days ago according to Wanda, and he's had all those days to rest and regain his ungodly stamina, so I don't think fatigue will be a factor here. We've yet to see the limits of Jack's stamina, and his previous two battles happened weeks ago.
Also, bounties are not useless when comparing two characters. The World Government knows full well what Zoro can do, so the fact that his bounty is less than a third that of Jack's is kind of telling that there is a gap between them right now.
kid had a higher bounty than luffy since he went around island to island killing people just like how jack likes to go around killing people bountys are based on threat have you seen the difference in police force used compared to a shop thief and a mass murder which jack is they normally get every available cop and even call in cops or special forces out of state to catch or kill them as soon as possible while they normally are not going to kill a thief that will give up when caught.
robin had a bounty close to a super nova when she was just 8 years old since she could read the ancient test written on ponyglyph's
Blackbeard was close to a yonkou in power but he never did anything to be a threat to the marines or world govt so someone that should have had a 550 million or higher since he beat ace but he had no bounty at all!
bountys are based on how much threat you're having a bounty does not mean you're strong Zoro and Luffy would have a higher bounty if they killed people the straw hats could have killed the celestal dragons on sa instead just hurting him,spandam who has a father that is high ranking in the govt,smoker on punk hazard,cp9 that turned turned into cp0,ect the world govt would have given luffy a 500 million or higher bounty in sa alone if he killed the celestal dragons since their first bid on the mermaid camie was 500 million so they would give a crazy high bounty to luffy after he showed up alive at the war.
I still don'0t think kaidou will eb defeated at wano kuni…we still have caribou and the whole shiraoshi affair that seem to regard him ,and i don't see how that can be featured on wano
If Kaido really wants to kill himself why doesn't he just jump into the ocean….
at the moment we don't even know if h has a fruit,so it's not like jumping on the ocean would be that much dangerous than falling on the ground
at the moment we don't even know if h has a fruit,so it's not like jumping on the ocean would be that much dangerous than falling on the ground
shanks is the yonkou without a fruit,blackbeard has a logia darkness,big mom paramecian acid acid fruit and rubber is resistant to acid which leaves kaido with a zoan most likes dragon/titan and he is the leader of the BEAST pirates and he has the most zoans in his crew of course most of them the 500 smile zoans but his crew is obviously a zoan one.
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I don't know if someone noticed it before, but look at the tombstone.
Is that a sign? Will Jack be killed? We know Ruffy don't kill his opponents, is that a sign that someone else is gonna fight him and get rid of him for good? Maybe Zoro and/or Law? :ninja:
If he does die it will either be from drowning,getting killed by kaido after failing to capture them or by big mom/blackbeard.
Naaah, in this very chapter, Momo and his underlings have said they want to KILL their enemies to take back Wa and Luffy agreed with that, so if Oda doesn't start killing this is going to flow backwards. Words are a important matter to the protagonists since ever!
I don't know if someone noticed it before, but look at the tombstone.
Is that a sign? Will Jack be killed? We know Ruffy don't kill his opponents, is that a sign that someone else is gonna fight him and get rid of him for good? Maybe Zoro and/or Law? :ninja:
If he dies, it will be probably by his own fault.
I don't know if someone noticed it before, but look at the tombstone.
Is that a sign? Will Jack be killed? We know Ruffy don't kill his opponents, is that a sign that someone else is gonna fight him and get rid of him for good? Maybe Zoro and/or Law? :ninja:
Jack-o-lanterns are everywhere in the colorspread. And they took their name from the story of certain Jack of the lantern. So I think it's just a reference to Halloween signs and typical objects. Nothing related to the Jack we are reading about nowadays.
Jack-o-lanterns are everywhere in the colorspread. And they took their name from the story of certain Jack of the lantern. So I think it's just a reference to Halloween signs and typical objects. Nothing related to the Jack we are reading about nowadays.
Personally, I thought it was a reference to Jack Skellington.
Although he was also named after Jack of the Lantern, so little difference anyway.
at the moment we don't even know if h has a fruit,so it's not like jumping on the ocean would be that much dangerous than falling on the ground
well,,, if U want to die what's the difference between having DF or not?!!
@W:
well,,, if U want to die what's the difference between having DF or not?!!
that jumping in the ocean is more lethal only if you have one
@W:
well,,, if U want to die what's the difference between having DF or not?!!
Why are you assuming that he'll die if he jumps into the ocean? Why do you assume he hasn't tried that? Too many assumptions.
To be fair, I don't think it unlikely that Jack will die. He was almost killed by marines too but he is back in action, if Luffy doesn't take him out for good/or dies by accident, he will just show up again in Wano or something. Unless Kaidou won't be pleased by his defeat at the hands of SH and kill him himself.
They could just leave him in water or something.
@uniaka:
To be fair, I don't think it unlikely that Jack will die. He was almost killed by marines too but he is back in action, if Luffy doesn't take him out for good/or dies by accident, he will just show up again in Wano or something. Unless Kaidou won't be pleased by his defeat at the hands of SH and kill him himself.
They could just leave him in water or something.
Thing is, in OP because of the super human powers, somebody as strong as Jack cannot possibly be defeated here. Losing him here is a MAJOR blow to Kaido and hell, if say Big Mom and or BB find out Jack has fallen and is no longer part of Kaidos battle strength they could easily take advantage and attack him. That is why there is 0 chance a serious fight happens in the next couple of chapters involving Jack. These characters are too important in the balance of the entire world and won't be defeated any time soon.
@The:
Thing is, in OP because of the super human powers, somebody as strong as Jack cannot possibly be defeated here. Losing him here is a MAJOR blow to Kaido and hell, if say Big Mom and or BB find out Jack has fallen and is no longer part of Kaidos battle strength they could easily take advantage and attack him. That is why there is 0 chance a serious fight happens in the next couple of chapters involving Jack. These characters are too important in the balance of the entire world and won't be defeated any time soon.
The balance is bound to start crumbling soon. All the major players seem to be preparing to destroy status quo.
Wouldn't exactly say there's a 0 chance a serious fight happens now. Even if Jack is defeated, Kaido still has 2 other calamities, other named crewmembers, couple of hundred zoans, possibly other allied crews and Wano allies.
@The:
Thing is, in OP because of the super human powers, somebody as strong as Jack cannot possibly be defeated here. Losing him here is a MAJOR blow to Kaido and hell, if say Big Mom and or BB find out Jack has fallen and is no longer part of Kaidos battle strength they could easily take advantage and attack him. That is why there is 0 chance a serious fight happens in the next couple of chapters involving Jack. These characters are too important in the balance of the entire world and won't be defeated any time soon.
Tell that to crocodile one of the 7 warlords oh wait he still got defeated by luffy even though luffy only had a 30 million bounty at the time vs crocodiles 81 million frozen bounty lol.
I don't know if someone noticed it before, but look at the tombstone.
Is that a sign? Will Jack be killed? We know Ruffy don't kill his opponents, is that a sign that someone else is gonna fight him and get rid of him for good? Maybe Zoro and/or Law? :ninja:
That's pretty interesting to me when I consider the Thriller Bark connections. If it said Kaido(so stupidly blatant and obvious) I'd be like sure, especially after learning about his personality. Like the others said it's probably just there because of the pumpkins but… what if at some point after Luffy and the gang put Jack down, Moriah comes around and finishes him off for good as revenge for the death of his own crew?
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That's pretty interesting to me when I consider the Thriller Bark connections. If it said Kaido(so stupidly blatant and obvious) I'd be like sure, especially after learning about his personality. Like the others said it's probably just there because of the pumpkins but… what if at some point after Luffy and the gang put Jack down, Moriah comes around and finishes him off for good as revenge for the death of his own crew?
Or Moriah captures, hides, and locks Jack away. Then he steals Jack's shadow to use against Kaido. 
@The:
Thing is, in OP because of the super human powers, somebody as strong as Jack cannot possibly be defeated here. Losing him here is a MAJOR blow to Kaido and hell, if say Big Mom and or BB find out Jack has fallen and is no longer part of Kaidos battle strength they could easily take advantage and attack him. That is why there is 0 chance a serious fight happens in the next couple of chapters involving Jack. These characters are too important in the balance of the entire world and won't be defeated any time soon.
You missed the whole point since they entered the NW. You know, the whole "the new generation will destroy status quo and surpass the old generation" thing which Oda already highlighted a bunch of times since the TS…
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And besides, Jack being defeated here on Zou makes perfect sense because the entire goal of the Luffy-Law alliance is to weaken Kaido's military strength because they know they can't take him down head on. Destroying the SMILE factory was the first step towards achieving that goal and defeating Jack here would be another step towards achieving that.
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that jumping in the ocean is more lethal only if you have one
@The:
Why are you assuming that he'll die if he jumps into the ocean? Why do you assume he hasn't tried that? Too many assumptions.
guys U R missing my point. unless U R a fishman it doesn't really matter if U have DF or not.
if U "really" want to die all U have to do is jump in the ocean.
You missed the whole point since they entered the NW. You know, the whole "the new generation will destroy status quo and surpass the old generation" thing which Oda already highlighted a bunch of times since the TS…
And besides, Jack being defeated here on Zou makes perfect sense because the entire goal of the Luffy-Law alliance is to weaken Kaido's military strength because they know they can't take him down head on. Destroying the SMILE factory was the first step towards achieving that goal and defeating Jack here would be another step towards achieving that.
Yes i get that, but Jack is a main antagonist and isn't going to go until right before Kaido does. This is still a story, and the climax of this arc is still far away and thats where Jack will go down. In the climax. He'll cause some trouble right now, and might clash with the strawhats but don't expect anyone to go all out any time soon.
@The:
Yes i get that, but Jack is a main antagonist and isn't going to go until right before Kaido does. This is still a story, and the climax of this arc is still far away and thats where Jack will go down. In the climax. He'll cause some trouble right now, and might clash with the strawhats but don't expect anyone to go all out any time soon.
You are confusing a story arc with a story saga. Mr. 3 was taken down in the Alabasta Saga during the Little Garden Arc, even though he was an officer agent of Crocodile. Jack will be taken out during this saga in the Zou Arc, since he is the main antagonist of the arc. He wouldn't have been brought back to the island after his first departure if this wasn't the case.
Jack can still come back later down the road, just like Mr. 3 came to Alabasta after his defeat, or how Baby 5 & Buffalo came to Dressrosa after their defeat on Punk Hazard.
@The:
Yes i get that, but Jack is a main antagonist and isn't going to go until right before Kaido does. This is still a story, and the climax of this arc is still far away and thats where Jack will go down. In the climax. He'll cause some trouble right now, and might clash with the strawhats but don't expect anyone to go all out any time soon.
You base this entire logic on "these characters are too important in the balance of the entire world and won't be defeated any time soon." which is IMHO stupid and baseless. Doflamingo was just defeated and he was very important for the balance of the entire world, not just the NW. Going by your logic, even DD would still be undefeated. After a person of his strength, status and influence was defeated, there aren't a lot of people left who'd be stronger than that. You have just the Yonko themselves, their right hand crew members/commanders and the Marine Admirals. Keeping that in mind, someone like Jack would be the perfect fit to go down at this point. Besides, this arc needs to have a main villain just like every other One Piece arc has had, no mather how small the arc was. And to think that Jack is only gonna cause some little trouble now and that Luffy and the whole alliance on Zou is just gonna let him escape after everything he has done to them and even after Luffy said he'd kick his ass, that is just delusional.
You base this entire logic on "these characters are too important in the balance of the entire world and won't be defeated any time soon." which is IMHO stupid and baseless. Doflamingo was just defeated and he was very important for the balance of the entire world, not just the NW. Going by your logic, even DD would still be undefeated. After a person of his strength, status and influence was defeated, there aren't a lot of people left who'd be stronger than that. You have just the Yonko themselves, their right hand crew members/commanders and the Marine Admirals. Keeping that in mind, someone like Jack would be the perfect fit to go down at this point. Besides, this arc needs to have a main villain just like every other One Piece arc has had, no mather how small the arc was. And to think that Jack is only gonna cause some little trouble now and that Luffy and the whole alliance on Zou is just gonna let him escape after everything he has done to them and even after Luffy said he'd kick his ass, that is just delusional.
It took an entire saga to take down Mingo and somewhere like 2 years in real life. Jack will go down in about 1 year real life at the climax of the saga, right before Kaido.
@The:
It took an entire saga to take down Mingo and somewhere like 2 years in real life. Jack will go down in about 1 year real life at the climax of the saga, right before Kaido.
Yes, but Jack isn't the big bad of the saga, he is the big bad of this arc and he will go down just like Caesar and Vergo did in the PH arc and just like Mr. 3 went down in the Little Garden arc, exactly as Galaxy 9000 explained to you.
We could argue about jack forever but
I want to hear some solid predictions here.
How many chapters until jack is defeated.
I'm gonna say around 15
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
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@Long:
We could argue about jack forever but
I want to hear some solid predictions here.
How many chapters until jack is defeated.
I'm gonna say around 15
OK, now explain why is that solid. :ninja:
OK, now explain why is that solid. :ninja:
Well I meant clear ranges IE not 5-50 chapters or so
But since you asked, I cant see a big shot like jack getting defeated so easily once they show up, so I think, something will happen to stall luffy for a few chapters, or to give tome for luffy to reach jack and then they'll have a decently long fight. 2-3 chapters
Maybe 12 sounds better IDK
What do you think
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
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@Long:
Well I meant clear ranges IE not 5-50 chapters or so
But since you asked, I cant see a big shot like jack getting defeated so easily once they show up, so I think, something will happen to stall luffy for a few chapters, or to give tome for luffy to reach jack and then they'll have a decently long fight. 2-3 chapters
Maybe 12 sounds better IDK
What do you think
It's difficult to make accurate prediction about something like that. Only Oda knows.
Regardless, this means luffy is near yonkou level soon. He'll have to fight kaidou eventually. I really wonder how the plot is going to proceed. With the way things are going he's going to have to fight Kaidou within the next 3 arcs it. It either will be a win or postponement. But wano will be open and saved. This likely means luffy will have his own "territory."
The wg will have to respect the SHs as more than a single dangerous pirate crew but a major player in the global affairs. Everyone in the crew better learn haki soon….
It's difficult to make accurate prediction about something like that. Only Oda knows.
Well are you in the opinion luffy fights him or not?
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@Long:
Well are you in the opinion luffy fights him or not?
I've said is possible, and also I'd prefer if he doesn't. I'd like to see luffy+pekoms after sanji+capone on one side and Jack vs the rest of SH+Law+Minks.
@Long:
We could argue about jack forever but
I want to hear some solid predictions here.
How many chapters until jack is defeated.
I'm gonna say around 15
Hmm, it depends on what happens with Jack's plan to kill Zunisha, and where Luffy/the Alliance/whoever ends up engaging him for a fight. If Luffy/whoever manages to stop him before he gets too far in his efforts, the fight starts quickly, and it doesn't get interrupted, I'd say probably fewer than 15. (Maybe 12, like your second guess?) A straight fight probably wouldn't take too long. But it's possible that it'll take a while for the Alliance to even get to Jack, since he's on ships attacking from a distance (most likely) and they're all the way up on top of Zunisha, so that could delay things.
One option to consider is that the fight will be interrupted somehow, like for example if Jack tries to capture people instead of kill them. Like how, on Punk Hazard, it didn't take Luffy that long to engage Caesar the first time, but then he got knocked out and captured and so the final fight wasn't until much later. Still, Jack's so batshit insane that this one's probably less likely, since he'll more than likely try to just kill everyone except the four samurai.
In considering all those possibilities, I'm guessing Oda-sensei most likely will wrap up this arc at least somewhat soon, so that Luffy can leave to go get Sanji, so I'm leaning towards one of the relatively shorter options.
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Also, anybody wanna take a stab at guessing who's gonna end up in Luffy's Whole Cake Island group? Right now, Luffy's intentions are very clear: he still wants to go alone with Pekoms. But do you guys think that'll actually happen? Will at least one Mink go along, or a samurai? A Straw Hat, or a Heart? Multiple of the above? I have to say, after reading through so many chapters in the Paramount War saga where the whole crew is missing, and then Dressrosa where half the crew was missing again, I'm not sold yet on the idea of putting them all (except Sanji) on a bus while Luffy goes off by himself once more. I kind of want at least some of them (maybe the ones who were gone for Dressrosa, at least) to insist on coming with him. I think it'll also depend on what happens with Jack and Zunisha, though: whether the Minks lose their home, or Luffy is injured in the fight and can't go by himself, or the attack convinces them to stick together, or what.
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Hmm, it depends on what happens with Jack's plan to kill Zunisha, and where Luffy/the Alliance/whoever ends up engaging him for a fight. If Luffy/whoever manages to stop him before he gets too far in his efforts, the fight starts quickly, and it doesn't get interrupted, I'd say probably fewer than 15. (Maybe 12, like your second guess?) A straight fight probably wouldn't take too long. But it's possible that it'll take a while for the Alliance to even get to Jack, since he's on ships attacking from a distance (most likely) and they're all the way up on top of Zunisha, so that could delay things.
One option to consider is that the fight will be interrupted somehow, like for example if Jack tries to capture people instead of kill them. Like how, on Punk Hazard, it didn't take Luffy that long to engage Caesar the first time, but then he got knocked out and captured and so the final fight wasn't until much later. Still, Jack's so batshit insane that this one's probably less likely, since he'll more than likely try to just kill everyone except the four samurai.
In considering all those possibilities, I'm guessing Oda-sensei most likely will wrap up this arc at least somewhat soon, so that Luffy can leave to go get Sanji, so I'm leaning towards one of the relatively shorter options.
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Also, anybody wanna take a stab at guessing who's gonna end up in Luffy's Whole Cake Island group? Right now, Luffy's intentions are very clear: he still wants to go alone with Pekoms. But do you guys think that'll actually happen? Will at least one Mink go along, or a samurai? A Straw Hat, or a Heart? Multiple of the above? I have to say, after reading through so many chapters in the Paramount War saga where the whole crew is missing, and then Dressrosa where half the crew was missing again, I'm not sold yet on the idea of putting them all (except Sanji) on a bus while Luffy goes off by himself once more. I kind of want at least some of them (maybe the ones who were gone for Dressrosa, at least) to insist on coming with him. I think it'll also depend on what happens with Jack and Zunisha, though: whether the Minks lose their home, or Luffy is injured in the fight and can't go by himself, or the attack convinces them to stick together, or what.
luffy,pekoms,raizo (ninja) and nami (navigator needed to get back plus has lolas vivi card), brook (he needs more screen time bides he can scout with his ghost form) and maybe carrot since she thought it would be fun
luffy and pekoms might be the only 2 to go as well since luffy said he wanted to go alone but nami will have to with them at least as navigator and person with lola's vivi card which could be big moms since big mom has 35 or more female kids alone and might have a bunch of male kids as well she has so many since she is a giant.
Regardless, this means luffy is near yonkou level soon. He'll have to fight kaidou eventually.
talking about level, I'm not sure Luffy's level is near a yonkou level soon. I mean, he defeated dofla by the assistance of Law, though Luffy was the one who delivered the final blow. I think the same thing would happen against kaidou. It will be 2 (or more) vs 1 (kaidou), not purely one vs one. Just my opinion.
I hope it can get done in twelve. If this is going to be the year of Sanji, it would be nice to see him in something other than a flashback.
if zou sinks the ships then it could be over in the next chapter lol.
I'm pretty sure its Jack.
Jack is the name of the pumpkin king from The Nightmare Before Christmas.
@Long:
We could argue about jack forever but
I want to hear some solid predictions here.
How many chapters until jack is defeated.
I'm gonna say around 15
I would like to see entire conflict ending within 8 chapters. Not more. Intense action. That is if Kidd wont wipe out Jack accidentally just passing by with rest of alliance.
Then we switch to Sanji storyline.
talking about level, I'm not sure Luffy's level is near a yonkou level soon. I mean, he defeated dofla by the assistance of Law, though Luffy was the one who delivered the final blow. I think the same thing would happen against kaidou. It will be 2 (or more) vs 1 (kaidou), not purely one vs one. Just my opinion.
I'd say so too. For Kaidou Luffy'll Need assistance. The only yonkou Luffy might beat alone will be BB, since he is obviously the last Yonkou Luffy is gonna fight. This would also Show Luffy's Progression through the NW.
his gear 4 not is not yet reliable as it sounds like.. though it is powerful but it consumes a lot of haki. for him to be a level as yankou, he should have strength that has no expiration..
Jack is planning to kill Zunisha by feeding with a Smiley.
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