Probably with Sanji if it didn't find its way back into Caesar.
Maybe Sanji wouldn't have to go after Caesar (in case Pekoms take him) if he still has his heart. All theories has to take that part in account.
Probably with Sanji if it didn't find its way back into Caesar.
Maybe Sanji wouldn't have to go after Caesar (in case Pekoms take him) if he still has his heart. All theories has to take that part in account.
Wasn't there someone on this site who claims that Pekoms was a hybrid devil fruit user and was NOT a Minkmen? :/ Hmm?
Sanji being with BM might force him to reconsider his policy of not hitting women.
I think the writing on the coffee can could be "All Women Are Gifts"
Imagine if Oda-sensei foresaw all of this, and chose to write that 'G' word like that in order to leave it to our interpretation. Haha. That would be mischievously funny.
@RomanceDawn:
I can't imagine Oda would have combined any languages here and the "e" that looks like a "c" is certainly hand drawn and just looks different because of the perspective.
I agree.
@RomanceDawn:
And yes I was jumping up and down when Big Mom's ship showed up to Zou. Almost 100% because it means seeing Jinbe again could happen sooner that I thought.
Oh, I think we might see him after all. According to the images that Sandman kindly provided us, I believe that it is very possible. There has been a book dedicated to Big Mom, another to Zou, a third to the revolutionary army, and a fourth to Gear Fourth.
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I would love to see Jinbe again and to have the confirmation concerning the theory that Lola is Big Mom's daughter.
@RomanceDawn:
For a while it seemed like Sanji left because of his poster(that could still tie into it all) but with the way Brook talks, Big Mom's pirates are the immediate reason. Sanji left a note and he wasn't captured, did he willingly give Caesar up not wanting to have an all out battle with the locals still recovering, only then to secretly stow away on Big Mom's ship?
That's what I think as well.
@RomanceDawn:
I doubt Caesar is still on Zou but maybe Sanji tried to make a deal with Pekoms, Sanji works as a chef for Big Mom as long as Caesar stays untouched. Of course I would assume Sanji would do something like that only to buy time but given what we know that's just too simple.
I think Caesar is valuable to her to be touched. Remember, when Pekoms and Tamago were trying to sink the ship and 'retrieve' Caesar. That indicates that they don't want to kill him. Big Mom wants him alive for some reason.
@RomanceDawn:
What ever the case, if Sanji is willingly on his way to Whole Cake, we'll see Jinbe for sure. Probably beat up and imprisoned ready to reveal to us finally what happened with the Tea Party. Oh what a joyous day that will be for me. Jinbe is too cool for school!
That would be a joyful day for me as well. Jinbe & Dalton. I like these guys very much. Darn, I am getting reminded as I write this of what he said to Ace at Impel Down the first time he was introduced to us: 'it's not my body that aches, ace! What aches is my heart that cannot enforce my justice!' Awesomeness!
@RomanceDawn:
Edit: last time we saw Big Mom's ship I assumed Jinbe was close by and then a year went by with absolutely nothing so…
Yes, that's a disheartening risk, but there is more than one premise indicating that we are on the verge of dealing with the Big Mom issue. It could be this year or maybe the other(likely this one, according to the 'Sanji year'). Ah, the happiness.
He draws by hand, but the manga, I believe, is always touched by photo editing software. In this case, it would be virtually completely unknown, especially to me who has little experience in photo editing apps compared to professionals, to know when or where the manga was modified by the apps.
Nope you can clearly see that the letters are handrawn, not just on the coffee can but on pretty much every other text featured in the color page. It really wasn't done digitally, usually you can tell but I guess that you simply don't know much about photo editing or digital painting to know the difference.
That's a good point. The problem with abbreviation is that you may abbreviate the word by cutting it in half(more or less), as in the case of 'information' being abbreviated into 'info'. Or you may omit letters from inside(and even outside) the word, as in the case of 'something' being abbreviated to 'sth'.
In any case, on second thought, I think that's a print problem. It was probably written as 'are', but the 'are' ended up having some of its letters chipped off on the print version, in addition to it being most likely drawn by the author, which creates a size difference between a letter and another.
Thanks for finally realizing that it's an "r" and not a "v", and that it's an "e" rather than a "c". Since the text is pretty small it can be a bit hard to decipher. It's not just about making what the words are, it's about figuring out if those words when assembled make sense.
Correctness is never majority dependent. The thought that it's majority dependent is the Appeal to Majority Fallacy.
Sure, all of us could have been wrong, and you're the only one who could have been right.
Maybe I ought to borrow yours? Haha.
Jokes aside, this is not a matter of eye sight. It's a matter of 'visual ambiguity'. It happens in life:happy:
Sure I'll lend you mine, maybe that will prevent you from being so confused next time.
Thanks! I appreciate your help in providing me with proper guidance in respect of this issue. I believe, as mentioned earlier, that it's 'are'.
No problem.You can be sure I'll be there to correct you if you eventually make a mistake like this one .Nothing wrong with acknowledging that you might have made a mistake. It happens to the best of us. Shit happens.
Nothing but as usual he left the hint of the character being alive so he didn't switch anything up, he would just report the accident and shut up about it, he also wouldn't take so much time to reveal Jack full body.
I'm saying how do u know he didn't drop a hint just to make readers think he was still alive when he's really dead? How do u know he would just report the "accident" (you mean incident?) and shut up about it? its crazy u know whats happening in this story can u tell me how it ends mr mind reader?
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You're saying you're basing on facts but there is absolutely no fact about his definitive death in either the manga or facts about oda prone to breaking host patterns on killing off characters. The fact that nobody was recovered made jacks death and assumption, not a fact. There are absolutely no images on the battle to say it wouldnt have beent possible to sneak out. In favt, the way Burgess sneaked to the ship on a top secret strict organization says volumes about the level of attentiveness of the characters there, even those that were supposed to be highly attentive. Also, we have no knowledge of all the capabilities of Jack and co about sea battles. Absolutely none. These are the facts, and yet its absolutely pointing to Jackw death to you.
On oda, we do not go out of our way to look like know it all's, its just a fact that oda has never killed anyone with sufficient hyppe offscreen. Every death is a spectacle. For us to suddenly decide on our own that this, out of all the "deaths" in one piece would finally be the time that the pattern changes is well senseless on any angle. I mean why now? Nothing to answer that right? If it turns out he does kill off Kack, then we have confirmation that oda is already willing to kill off characters this way. As of now, you just look like someone trying to male an issue out of practically nothing in the op context.
I'm not saying its a fact Jack is dead. I'm saying the facts point to him being dead. No body being recovered means they could've just left him in the ocean. Oda killed off some super novas off screen after hyping them up. The only real hype jack got was his bounty and title btw. We have no idea what his fighting capabilities were bc we don't have anything to compare duke or neko to. I'm not making an issue out of nothing. I said I don't think jack is dead (an opinion) and everyone jumped on me saying that there was absolutely 100% no way thats possible bc of a pattern. If you didm want it to be an issue than you shouldn't have been offended by my having a different opinion and you shouldn't act like theres no chance you could be wrong.
I'm saying how do u know he didn't drop a hint just to make readers think he was still alive when he's really dead? How do u know he would just report the "accident" (you mean incident?) and shut up about it? its crazy u know whats happening in this story can u tell me how it ends mr mind reader?
Because he wouldn't be built up for so many chapters if that were the case. That is not how Oda writes.
This is literally the same as the people saying that Oda was trying to trick us with Jack's bounty, when that wasn't the case either.
Keen for potential Whole Cake Island arc and Jinbe joining the crew.
I'm not saying its a fact Jack is dead. I'm saying the facts point to him being dead. No body being recovered means they could've just left him in the ocean.
The facts "in universe" point to him being dead, slightly. But when we've also got characters in universe saying "no way he's dead, he's too much of a powerhouse", multiple times, it means he isn't dead.
Oda killed off some super novas off screen after hyping them up.
When did this happen?
The only real hype jack got was his bounty and title btw. We have no idea what his fighting capabilities were bc we don't have anything to compare duke or neko to.
Except multiple chapters of buildup, via the flashback and by word of mouth from the minks. No way being one of the "right hands" of the "strongest beast in the world" isn't a measure of his capabilities.
This is like saying any of the past antagonists weren't strong before facing Luffy, as we hadn't seen most of them fight anybody prior to Luffy.
I'm not making an issue out of nothing. I said I don't think jack is dead (an opinion) and everyone jumped on me saying that there was absolutely 100% no way thats possible bc of a pattern. If you didm want it to be an issue than you shouldn't have been offended by my having a different opinion and you shouldn't act like theres no chance you could be wrong.
It's not possible because of 800 chapters of writing patterns, along with multiple chapters of buildup for the guy that wouldn't make any sense story-wise to show if he actually was dead. It just isn't a viable option.
@Galaxy:
Because he wouldn't be built up for so many chapters if that were the case. That is not how Oda writes.
This is literally the same as the people saying that Oda was trying to trick us with Jack's bounty, when that wasn't the case either.
well bounties are based on crimes not power so I don't know what you mean by that. Unless you think Jack is 3x as strong as pekkoms? Who seems like he holds a similar position only in Big Mom's crew?
well bounties are based on crimes not power so I don't know what you mean by that. Unless you think Jack is 3x as strong as pekkoms? Who seems like he holds a similar position only in Big Mom's crew?
It was mentioned because it's the same type of argument. Just like the argument about his bounty being a trick was a dud, Oda is also not trying to trick us with Jack's status, and is making it abundantly clear that he is not actually dead. And yes, bounties are based on crimes rather than power, but for someone to get up to one billion, they have to have caused tons of major disasters in the world. For that to happen, they definitely are required to be highly capable. Keep in mind that Luffy only has a 500 million bounty for tons of crimes and defeats that he's caused.
And no, there is no multiplier of strength in relation to Pekoms via the bounty, but he definitely doesn't hold the same position as Jack in that crew. His rank as a "fighter" and his general fear of Big Mom shows that. I'm pretty certain that all of Kaidou's calamities are going to be around the one billion mark, as well as the equals to them in Big Mom's crew.
Just read the chapter, and maybe this was already mentioned in the previous 15 pages, but Sanji and Caesar disappeared two days ago. This is more than a week after bounties were issued. So Sanji's Only Alive status isn't related to something in his disappearance.
Just read the chapter, and maybe this was already mentioned in the previous 15 pages, but Sanji and Caesar disappeared two days ago. This is more than a week after bounties were issued. So Sanji's Only Alive status isn't related to something in his disappearance.
Yup. Sanji, Nami, Chopper, and Brook might not even know about their bounty increases.
It is funny how Sanji is wearing rings in all his fingers except the ring finger suggesting an eternal bachelor life for him
On a side note, do we have any major enemies/allies etc who wear rings? Could the rings worn by Sanji shown in the pic be related to anyone? Someone probably related to his next important mission
Sanji is cooking for Big Mam… OMG
@xan:
It is funny how Sanji is wearing rings in all his fingers except the ring finger suggesting an eternal bachelor life for him
On a side note, do we have any major enemies/allies etc who wear rings? Could the rings worn by Sanji shown in the pic be related to anyone? Someone probably related to his next important mission
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v66/c651/16.html
Big Mom hand that is holding DDM has ring on every finger. Not that I think its Oda hinting at something, she is only character I remember having rings on all of her fingers.
Also its just very small detail but Sanji was shown pissed at BM pirates and he is shown in panel where Luffy goes to pick up DDM Big Moms call.
He stepped in front on that panel unlike Zoro.
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v66/c651/16.html
Big Mom hand that is holding DDM has ring on every finger. Not that I think its Oda hinting at something, she is only character I remember having rings on all of her fingers.
That looks very similar. Yeah as we can see how Big Mom gets ticked off with respect to food, that makes sense if Sanji ends up cooking for her
It seems that Sanji got a roar deal.
Oda killed off some super novas off screen after hyping them up.
What ?
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The only real hype jack got was his bounty and title btw. We have no idea what his fighting capabilities were bc we don't have anything to compare duke or neko to.
He fought off an entire warrior tribe for 5 days without ever budging.
Wanda herself says that "calling him a monster would do him no justice".
Heck, Luffy himself says he'll sock him one day. Not even he thinks Jack's dead.
Keen for potential Whole Cake Island arc and Jinbe joining the crew.
A possible scenario.
Sanji and Caesar went to Big Mom with Pekoms & co and he promised her to cook sweets.
In that way they reach an agreement: sweets in change of truce.
But the Yonko will be so greedy that she wouldn't free Sanji and let him go back.
i wonder what happen to Kid, On Air, and Hawkins Alliance?
Hope Big mom is cook/baker. Would go along with her passion for candy and what she would do for it( food has been her theme same way suicide, drinking are the themes of shanks and kaidou). Maybe the alive cake ship is a result of her DF.
Would show that cooks are a big deal in one piece, and Sanji won't get underestimation anymore from Luffy/Zoro fans that cooks can't be on par with swordmen, pks.
@uniaka:
This Sanji scenario sure is wierd. He went with one of the yonkou's crews…and the guys are in a mood for party? First Nami cries, then they have a party, then nami reminds us that it's serious, then brook gives it a funny side with a song to the story but then mentions Sanji could not return...ever. Like...wtf.
that's because he didn't went with a yonkou crew
the part about him being unable to return is becase zou is not any map or logpose,thus even if he wants to,he can't return
that's because he didn't went with a yonkou crew
the part about him being unable to return is becase zou is not any map or logpose,thus even if he wants to,he can't return
Yeah. Of the five groups to reach Zou so far (Heart Pirates, Jack, Curly Hats, Big Mom, and the Straw Hats) four of them either has a Mink in board their ship or a Vivre Card for someone already there. So far as we know when he left Sanji had neither. Though now I wonder how Jack got there.
one of strawhat fleet captains may help sanji to return
one of strawhat fleet captains may help sanji to return
Good idea.
Hopefully Sanji wont meet Bartolomeo first otherwise its would take months for Sanji to comeback lol
Brook played the sad story card, like Sanji would never return because he would die or something. Not because of a map.
And it's logical since when you go with a yonkou's crew, you should be unlikely to get out of there alive.
Yeah there is no way Brook mentioned that Sanji could stay out of the crew for good because of the difficulty of finding Zou. It's not like the crew is going to live there. What ever Brook was talking about is a lot more serious then just needing a guide to get back.
one of strawhat fleet captains may help sanji to return
Yeah, we didn't have the chance to see them all, but most probably there is a crew of okamas in there :-D
Well this is a nice bridge chapter and a great christmas present.
I know bountys don't express how strog is someone BUT looking at the cenario:
1º Both are presented without any introduction or cliffhanger.
2º Nobody from FI said they are number 1,2,3, right arm or etc.
Jack, Zoro, Jesus Bugress, Marco, Jozu all of then are mentioned with a "title"
3º Peakons and Tamago also let the monster trio leave FI without a fight, or any attempt to stop then
4º In manga 651 BM treat then like crap, I doubt Kaido disrespect Jack in a conversation
So they are recognized only like members of BM crew. I am not saying that they are weak, but for sure not the strogest ones.
Considering this Sanji can randle Peakons or Tamago, and the others 3 Curly Hats with Caeser can handle the other guy.
Rationally they will win in a fight.
BM pirates arrived at Zou two days ago, the Curly Hats doesn't have any curative. So no fight here.
What will make Sanji go after a enemy?
Now that Oda said that 2016 will be th year of Sanji, my guess is that he allowed BM pirates take him with then to solve something bigger.
I do think Pekoms and Tamago would be in the main crew of Big mom, like if she would have 9 members like Luffy. Pekoms could be chopper's enemy based on his mink theme. Tamago did recomend Big mom they should take the tresure. I would think he must be one of her trusted members to dare such a thing.
Pekoms being 330 mill could suggest a couple of things.
1 - He could be on the lower end of the Big Mom totem pole and end up as a Straw Hat warm up to their main fight some day.
B - He could be say Brook's or Chopper's opponent down the line.
$ - Pekoms could be in the same boat as Bepo and Chopper. A clear member of the crew who is sentient and an absolute necessity aboard the ship but given a much smaller bounty relative to everyone else because he is deemed a pet. Of course if you are on an Emperors crew the bounty scale for pets would be much different.
Tamago not getting an introduction yet suggests to me that he is much higher on the Big Mom tier list.
Mmmmm… "All women are gone" ???
I cannot resist anymore.
Imagine that what's written on Sanji's coffee can is 'All women are good' and contrast it with these:
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Pekoms and Tamago seem like Chopper and Brook in terms of strength relative to their crew. Another parallel might be Baby 5 and Buffalo.
@Australopithecus:
I cannot resist anymore.
Imagine that what's written on Sanji's coffee can is 'All women are good' and contrast it with these:
What contrast? He has a selective memory.
Imagine that what's written on Sanji's coffee can is 'All women are good' and contrast it with these:
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What's with the Ivankov-esque speech quirk on Koroko? "Zhey haff"?
maybe Sanji temporarily joined BMs ship for the tea party preparations. (isn't the tea party suppose to already be done though? not sure)
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could violet with her powers, look into Sanjis head and find out where he was born? Sanji is the bastard child of CDs. Jon Snow!
What's with the Ivankov-esque speech quirk on Koroko? "Zhey haff"?
She was probably drunk as usual.
@Buggy:
maybe Sanji temporarily joined BMs ship for the tea party preparations. (isn't the tea party suppose to already be done though? not sure)
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could violet with her powers, look into Sanjis head and find out where he was born? Sanji is the bastard child of CDs. Jon Snow!
Yeah the Tea Party has been over for days now. But if that's where Sanji is headed we will get a flash back for sure.
What's with the Ivankov-esque speech quirk on Koroko? "Zhey haff"?
Actually its Ivankov that's taken her speech not her taking his She was here first, at least she can blame it on the drink and it clears up when she's sober. Iva-chan doesn't have an excuse (sits back and waits to see who takes the bait):ninja:
so guys is the next chapter coming out around 7-8 jan?
so guys is the next chapter coming out around 7-8 jan?
Nope. There is no WSJ on Jan 11th which means no OP for us on 7-8 Jan. Expect chapter 812 14-15 Jan
Maybe Sanji knows whats going on with his "Only Alive" bounty and decided to leave to keep the crew away from danger.
He knows about Big Mom's addiction to sweets, and thus accepted to become her personal cook, only to create a war between WG and Big Mom.
(throwing all the theories that I can while it's still time to do so)
Now that you mention it: We didn't get to see the swirly hats react to their bounty. Which kind of sucks…
Now that you mention it: We didn't get to see the swirly hats react to their bounty. Which kind of sucks…
I think they read newspaper in there.
@uniaka:
I do think Pekoms and Tamago would be in the main crew of Big mom, like if she would have 9 members like Luffy. Pekoms could be chopper's enemy based on his mink theme. Tamago did recomend Big mom they should take the tresure. I would think he must be one of her trusted members to dare such a thing.
Yeah, I agree. Peakoms and Tamago are in the main crew, but in lower positions.
As RomanceDawn said before, Tamago bounty not been reveled may be a "surprise" for the future.
About questioning BM. Usopp says everytime that Luffy must not do a lot of things. But he still being the weak Usopp
Pekoms being 330 mill could suggest a couple of things.
1 - He could be on the lower end of the Big Mom totem pole and end up as a Straw Hat warm up to their main fight some day.
B - He could be say Brook's or Chopper's opponent down the line.
$ - Pekoms could be in the same boat as Bepo and Chopper. A clear member of the crew who is sentient and an absolute necessity aboard the ship but given a much smaller bounty relative to everyone else because he is deemed a pet. Of course if you are on an Emperors crew the bounty scale for pets would be much different.
Tamago not getting an introduction yet suggests to me that he is much higher on the Big Mom tier list.
B - IMO he looks like Brook, big, well dressed, top hat, walking stick. Since he appears I think he will be Brook opponet.
$ - What I think strange is that Peakons is kind of bossing arround when Tamago is with him.
For bossing arround, I mean he is talking and acting ahead. What will be quite strange if Tamago is his "superior".
Sure, exist that kind of boss that let his commanded do everything and if they fail. Is the moment he start acting.
Buut considering that the capitan and higuer levels calls the shots in most cases, it seems strange.
This point just escaped me. Now that you said, it realy strange we only see Peakons bounty and in action.
May be introduced in the future as shock to us.
I really wonder how Barto made it to the New World with no navigator loll so funny n wtf moment.
I actually am not fond of the idea of Kaido being the first emperor to go down because he is more menacing than any of the other emperors, but that's likely just me being biased.
Kaido was said to have suffered 7 defeats, & has been tortured by the emperors. I couldn't possibly imagine Shanks or Whitebeard doing something as hideous as torture, but I would find it completely plausible that Big Mom would be able to do something like this. In this case, it is safe to assume that Kaido has previously lost to Big Mom; otherwise, I don't see how someone of his caliber could let others torture him while he is fully capable to fight back. So if Kaido lost to Big Mom previously, Big Mom should be tougher. In this case, Kaido should be the first to fall down.If Big Mom was the first to fall down, there won't be much hype to be expected from Jack. In this case, it would be good if Jack were the first to fall down, and then our heroes could go rescue Sanji from Big Mom. But then again, we have the Sanji year… If Jack were the first to fall down, it would take practically a year for the battle to reach its conclusion, in which case there won't be a Sanji year since all focus would be dedicated to Jack. Pretty interesting where things are headed.
Big Mom is much more likely to go down before Kaido because Jinbe’s situation needs to be resolved for him to join, and Kaido is called the strongest being alive by the narration box. Oda also been showing that Big Mom (personally) at the moment hates the Strawhats more (from shooting her ship, the incident at Fishman Island with Luffy confronting her by snail) than Kaido does. I don’t know how Oda plans to handle the build up to their defeats such as having the two emperor’s forces alternate as the big bad at each new arc or just focus entirely on one and then the other, but the order of who goes down first doesn’t change.
Jack, however, really needs to fall at this point because we’ve been hyped into hating this guy from the last batch of chapters along with focus on his power. It would be unlike Oda to delay that thirst for justice by switching to another antagonist.
I know Oda did say that this would be year of Sanji, but he’s stated a few things at previous Jump Festas (like that the Strawhats would lose one of their own (Going Merry)) that didn’t come true till years later. Not saying he’s lying (far from it), just that I wouldn’t be surprised if that promise didn’t come true till later.
I also wonder how Weevil falls into all this. If Luffy takes down one of the four emperors or Jack, the one billion berry man, Weevil won't have that threatening hype, unless the first bounty that he has gotten, along with his invitation to the warlord system, was 480 million berry due to some stormy act he performed in the New World (or GL).
It would be pretty cool to have Marco join the storyline during the Kaido arc (or should I say the Wano arc?).
This is just me, but I don’t really see Weevil as a big enemy at present. Main reason, he’s actually pretty pathetic as villain material. Yes, he’s powerful (based on Borslaino’s words that his strength is reminiscent of Whitebeard in his youth); yes, he’s caused civilian deaths through collateral damage; yes, he’s attacking the allies and remnants of the Whitebeard pirates, characters we are meant to like. But he’s Oars levels of stupid (dumber than Luffy), and the person he really wants to take down is Blackbeard because of what he did to his “Daddy.” It’s only because of his mother's deceit that he’s done bad things. But there’s no malice in Weevil and there’s (currently) no joy to be found in seeing him fall.
Not saying that he and Luffy can't fight, but I see him as at most a side enemy that becomes a friend and ally. I don’t know where would be the best spot to have them meet, but I also don’t know the same for Ryokugyu either.
I think Caesar is valuable to her to be touched. Remember, when Pekoms and Tamago were trying to sink the ship and 'retrieve' Caesar. That indicates that they don't want to kill him. Big Mom wants him alive for some reason.
Caesar said he (in Volume 73, Chapter 730) that he defrauded Big Mom out of money that she gave him for research for something that he lied could be done. Either she wants to punish him for doing so or force him to work for her until she gets what she paid for (and more). If she was able to get her hands on him, I’d go with the latter that would quickly turn into the former. Caesar believed that she would kill him if she found out the truth because he was begging Sanji to save him. And Big Mom said (Volume 66, chapter 651) that she hates people who can’t deliver what they promise the most (along with bitter deserts) to the point she's willing to have whole countries destroyed.
For me it's obvious that Pekoms and Tomago have the same position in the crew. Though it doesn't necessarily means that they have the same strength.
They are Big Mom's Jules and Vincent.