The cpo is going to be involved with the strawhat grandfleet forshadowed incident….... hmmmm...
@Kaled what anime is your pic from?
The cpo is going to be involved with the strawhat grandfleet forshadowed incident….... hmmmm...
@Kaled what anime is your pic from?
The cpo is going to be involved with the strawhat grandfleet forshadowed incident….... hmmmm...
@Kaled what anime is your pic from?
I had same impression.
I thought about 7 pirates riding into Holy Land and fighting CP0 members(+ we would get to see SH getting payback on Kizaru).
Perhaps to get One Piece that secret thing that Mingo spoke about is needed and it is located in Holy Land?
I highly doubt that Law would give up an important asset as Caesar for Doffy.
I do, since the only asset Ceaser presents to Law is the leverage against Doffy. Law didn't care about Ceaser's genius or what he can create, he only cared about how he could use him as a hostage against Doffy. If was to make sure Doffy doesn't go free, I think that Law wouldn't care about letting Ceaser go.
I do, since the only asset Ceaser presents to Law is the leverage against Doffy. Law didn't care about Ceaser's genius or what he can create, he only cared about how he could use him as a hostage against Doffy. If was to make sure Doffy doesn't go free, I think that Law wouldn't care about letting Ceaser go.
What i was trying to say is that, Kaidou might not want to held Doffy for ransom. For all we know, he might want to kill Doffy himself and just take Caesar by force.
What do you guys think about the theory of Luffy eventually getting a staff to utilize his awakening on?
What do you guys think about the theory of Luffy eventually getting a staff to utilize his awakening on?
A bit of a reach. Yes, he's based on Goku who is then based off Sun Wukong, but the Gomu Gomu no Mi is not inherently tied to anything simian-related.
@S.C.:
A bit of a reach. Yes, he's based on Goku who is then based off Sun Wukong, but the Gomu Gomu no Mi is not inherently tied to anything simian-related.
I would really find it weird for him change his fighting style after being pure brawler this long. It's just that it could actually happen (even if it's just a one arc thing) since Luffy actually has the foundation to use staves as he fought lots of battles with those pipes as a kid.
Jack has the mythical zoan model : Ganesh
Doesn't really fit with his personality so far tho.
I'm going with the prediction that if anyone has the immortal operation, that's Kaido.
It all fits so well. First law is the supernova that makes alliance with luffy to take down Kaidou, then in Dressrosa we find about that operation and how kaidou is a suicidal that can't die.
Would explain law's role in the fight and how will kaidou be defeated. Law will undo the immortal operation and luffy will then be able to defeat him.
At some point that operation will play a role in the story, and makes to most sense to me with kaido.
@uniaka:
I'm going with the prediction that if anyone has the immortal operation, that's Kaido.
It all fits so well. First law is the supernova that makes allience with luffy to take down akidou, then in dressrosa we find abouut that operation and how kaido is a sucidal that can't die.
Would explain law's role in the fight and how will kaido be defeated. Law will undo the immortal operation and luffy will then be able to defeat him.
At some point that operation will play a role in the story, and makes to most sense to me with kaido.
Immortality is not invincibility. We were told that he was captured before, and Shanks managed hold him off, so there's certainly a way to beat that guy, there's just a twist to it that we don't know yet.
If there is someone from the pool of characters that we are already familiar with who had undergone the surgery, it must be the Gorosei.
The key word is 1v1, maybe kaido style is so focused in 1v1 that a group effort can defeat him easier, like he has huge openings with each punch on his sides, or has huge cooldowns on his killer move.
I just sent this idea to the OPP for the Piece Together segment:
For a long time there's been speculation about who an eventual eyepatch-wearing character will be and when they'll appear. I believe Jack could be who we've been waiting for. Here is my train of thought:
**-**First, the one image we see of Jack is that close-up panel and we only see the one eye. (Not much, but it's a start and it doesn't hurt my point.)
**-**Second, Jack's got ties to Doflamingo's operations. Doflamingo's top executives are all card suits (heart, spade, diamond, club) and his underworld name is "Joker." I think Jack is a intended to be a card reference as well. I think he is a "One-eyed Jack." I don't think "Jack" is an alias itself. I think it's an actual name that just keeps up with the card motif.
**-**Third, I just wiki'd up "one-eyed jack" and I ran across this:
**"**They[one-eyed royal] are frequently used in home games of draw poker as wildcards. Because the King of Diamonds is the only king card bearing an axe (the others show swords), a common phrase for the one-eyed royals is "One-eyed Jacks, the Man with the Axe". Another common phrase is "One-eyed Jacks and Suicide King" denoting the King of Hearts (K) bearing a sword through his head."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_playing-card_nicknames#One-eyed_royals
Wildcards, One-eyed Jacks, Suicide King
Jack definitely seems like a wildcard by trying to take back Doflamingo from the 4 Marine ships. Additionally, Jack's ship also has Kaido's mark. Kaido AKA the King of the Beasts and the guy whose hobby is trying to kill himself. Sounds like a Suicide King to me.
-Fourth, I think Jack is going to be an important player in the near future, otherwise his name wouldn't have been mentioned back in Punk Hazard and he would be trying to mess with the Marine ships. He might be important enough to merit being the eyepatched character.
What do you think? Could Jack be our eye-patched character?Do you think my connections at least make sense?
Luffy will never get to meet Shanks.
Luffy says that he's going after all four yonko, but I can't see him seriously fighting his childhood hero. Furthermore, according to chapter 1, Luffy is supposed to return the hat to Shanks once he becomes a great pirate, and I think that being able to take on Shanks meets the requirements, but Luffy can't possibly return the hat.. he's "straw-hat".
Long story short I think BB will take down Shanks.. it will make Luffy want to take down BB even more.
One eyed Jack ay? I can dig it.
For the longest I assumed it would be Black Beard and while there is still a chance I sure expected to see it after the time skip. The transponder snails and chapters like 801 confirm otherwise. At least he has a nice nasty beard going for him now.
Still if Jack isn't the most piraty of pirates then I assume that eye patch will go to Teach some day.
Luffy will never get to meet Shanks.
Luffy says that he's going after all four yonko, but I can't see him seriously fighting his childhood hero. Furthermore, according to chapter 1, Luffy is supposed to return the hat to Shanks once he becomes a great pirate, and I think that being able to take on Shanks meets the requirements, but Luffy can't possibly return the hat.. he's "straw-hat".
Long story short I think BB will take down Shanks.. it will make Luffy want to take down BB even more.
Luffy will probably meet Shanks after Shanks has been horribly injured by Teach or something before he dies or something cheesey like that. That way the promise of meeting Shanks again when he's a great pirate can still happen and he can still keep the hat. They also won't fight because they don't seem to really match up stylewise unlike the Blackbeard pirates.
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I just sent this idea to the OPP for the Piece Together segment:
For a long time there's been speculation about who an eventual eyepatch-wearing character will be and when they'll appear. I believe Jack could be who we've been waiting for. Here is my train of thought:
**-**First, the one image we see of Jack is that close-up panel and we only see the one eye. (Not much, but it's a start and it doesn't hurt my point.)
**-**Second, Jack's got ties to Doflamingo's operations. Doflamingo's top executives are all card suits (heart, spade, diamond, club) and his underworld name is "Joker." I think Jack is a intended to be a card reference as well. I think he is a "One-eyed Jack." I don't think "Jack" is an alias itself. I think it's an actual name that just keeps up with the card motif.
**-**Third, I just wiki'd up "one-eyed jack" and I ran across this:
**"**They[one-eyed royal] are frequently used in home games of draw poker as wildcards. Because the King of Diamonds is the only king card bearing an axe (the others show swords), a common phrase for the one-eyed royals is "One-eyed Jacks, the Man with the Axe". Another common phrase is "One-eyed Jacks and Suicide King" denoting the King of Hearts (K) bearing a sword through his head."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_playing-card_nicknames#One-eyed_royals
Wildcards, One-eyed Jacks, Suicide King
Jack definitely seems like a wildcard by trying to take back Doflamingo from the 4 Marine ships. Additionally, Jack's ship also has Kaido's mark. Kaido AKA the King of the Beasts and the guy whose hobby is trying to kill himself. Sounds like a Suicide King to me.
-Fourth, I think Jack is going to be an important player in the near future, otherwise his name wouldn't have been mentioned back in Punk Hazard and he would be trying to mess with the Marine ships. He might be important enough to merit being the eyepatched character.
What do you think? Could Jack be our eye-patched character?Do you think my connections at least make sense?
Well he wouldn't be wearing the traditional eyepatch going by the image. Might be something like Zoro though or a non traditional kind of eyepatch.
Maybe Bonney used her power to delay Ace's birth.
Shanks will be executed.
Apparently there was a famous incident that lead to Calico Jack becoming a pirate captain, where his captain at the time refused to fight a much larger and better armed ship, preaching caution.
Jack lead a vote amongst the crew to fight the larger force because of the riches that could be gained, and won, although the captain said his word was final and refused anyway.
This would eventually lead to Jack deposing the captain and assuming the role himself, citing cowardice as the reason.
Anyway, we know that Oda likes using real life pirates as influences for his work, so…
Perhaps that incident is being mirrored with Jack's insistence on raiding the convoy that's transporting Doflamingo?
Or maybe this will be Jack's quirk, always willing to try and fulfil his task, no matter the odds?
Probably continuing with his "Who do you think I am?!" stuff.
Just a thought.
I had a thought earlier today that Luffy, being able to hear the voice of all things, could learn some important information about the Void Century from the great elephant of Zou. Oda made a big point of telling us that it's been alive at least 1000 years this week, so we know it was around for that period of history. Plus, look at its eyes. That elephant has seen some shit.
Luffy will never get to meet Shanks.
Luffy says that he's going after all four yonko, but I can't see him seriously fighting his childhood hero. Furthermore, according to chapter 1, Luffy is supposed to return the hat to Shanks once he becomes a great pirate, and I think that being able to take on Shanks meets the requirements, but Luffy can't possibly return the hat.. he's "straw-hat".
Long story short I think BB will take down Shanks.. it will make Luffy want to take down BB even more.
relly,really hope you are wrong..it would be a terrible and clichè development.
I would hate for blackbeard to defeat shanks.
@LordEnel:
I would hate for blackbeard to defeat shanks.
It's coming lol lol
Let's asume for a moment that Oda isn't going to reuse island "themes" for raftel, meaning it's not a island ship, nor an island animal, nor a sky island nor an underwater island, nor whatever took Capone up. What is left? Nothing has pointed to a The way that the story is presented, points to raftel being Log-able, but with the way that they have been lax with the log pose, changing it for the triple one like it's no issue and changing route freely, then it's not "you had to go through x number/exactly these n islands for the log pose to reveal raftel", what else could be the deal with Raftel? Other than MORE of the same, I mean, like biggest seakings, craziest weather, strongest sea currents, weirdest phenomenae are practicaly a given.
I'm vetoing Space Islands just because I don't like them.
Let's asume for a moment that Oda isn't going to reuse island "themes" for raftel, meaning it's not a island ship, nor an island animal, nor a sky island nor an underwater island, nor whatever took Capone up. What is left? Nothing has pointed to a The way that the story is presented, points to raftel being Log-able, but with the way that they have been lax with the log pose, changing it for the triple one like it's no issue and changing route freely, then it's not "you had to go through x number/exactly these n islands for the log pose to reveal raftel", what else could be the deal with Raftel? Other than MORE of the same, I mean, like biggest seakings, craziest weather, strongest sea currents, weirdest phenomenae are practicaly a given.
I'm vetoing Space Islands just because I don't like them.
What if it's like Lost Island…invisible and maybe reachable only if you get a particular code/condition/logpose/whatever that makes is appear....?
I know, it's ordinary but I have no other ideas beside the ones already mentioned (and I also veto Space Island, cause it sucks)
shared this in the chapter thread, but want to share it here as well
What if Aokiji is actually working for the revolutionaries, and his job with the BB pirates is an undercover job for them. Thus he'll show up at the leader meeting, and Burgess will learn of his betrayal since he'll probably spy in on it. I think Aokiji joining the revolutionaries after defecting from the marines makes a lot of sense, BB is an incredibly unstable element and his DF hunt is definitely a threat to the revo army, so I could see them wanting to keep tabs on him, but the main downside I can see is that it feels like we haven't seen enough of Aokiji with BB for them to have a twist like that yet
shared this in the chapter thread, but want to share it here as well
What if Aokiji is actually working for the revolutionaries, and his job with the BB pirates is an undercover job for them. Thus he'll show up at the leader meeting, and Burgess will learn of his betrayal since he'll probably spy in on it. I think Aokiji joining the revolutionaries after defecting from the marines makes a lot of sense, BB is an incredibly unstable element and his DF hunt is definitely a threat to the revo army, so I could see them wanting to keep tabs on him, but the main downside I can see is that it feels like we haven't seen enough of Aokiji with BB for them to have a twist like that yet
the revolutionaries shouldn't have any interest in going against a yonkou
the revolutionaries shouldn't have any interest in going against a yonkou
as I said, BB is a super unstable factor, and given his DF hunt, he's definitely a threat to them. We've seen in Dressrpsa that the WG isn't their only enemy. The revo want to replace the wg, so I don't see why they wouldn't take interest in the yonkou. And in general, why wouldn't an organization like them want to keep track of one of the strongest powers in the world
as I said, BB is a super unstable factor, and given his DF hunt, he's definitely a threat to them. We've seen in Dressrpsa that the WG isn't their only enemy. The revo want to replace the wg, so I don't see why they wouldn't take interest in the yonkou. And in general, why wouldn't an organization like them want to keep track of one of the strongest powers in the world
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-788-page-8.html
If that is the case, I would expect Sabo to rely on something more than rumors.
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-788-page-8.html
If that is the case, I would expect Sabo to rely on something more than rumors.
fair point and I didn't remember that. Perhaps he's only reported directly to Dragon then? Or perhaps Sabo still doesn't trust him if the theory is true. Or it could be Oda's oversight, since those do happen.
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but just in case anyone missed it I'm going to throw my support behind the theory that Sanji is a world noble.
As we saw with his new wanted poster, Sanji is wanted ONLY ALIVE and his bounty increased more than what was deserving for his participation in the the downfall of Doflamingo. Why?
There have been some subtle hints that Sanji is some sort of royalty. Here are the clues:
1. Sanji is the only Straw Hat who's parents have not been mentioned in the story.
2. Sanji has referred to himself as Mr. Prince, and is often characterized as the "handsome prince" looking for his damsel in distress.
3. Sanji has a rare blood time RH-, which is associated with kings/ leaders/ royalty Etc. In some conspiracy theories RH- is a blood type of alien origin
4. Sanji is not open about his past with the crew, as it took many months for the crew to learn he was from the North Blue.
It's also pretty suspicious that this is the first wanted poster to show his real face, and in his second poster Sanji is actually hiding his face as if he is purposefully trying to hide his identity. With the first glimpse the world has at his wanted poster, he is no longer wanted dead, just alive.
So, I think it's pretty clear he is some form of royalty, but why a world noble in particular?
Well, I ask myself, who decides a person bounty? It's not entirely clear, but it seems the Navy report actions of pirates to the Gorosei, who have the final say on a person's bounty. The Gorosei have been shown to be the people who call the shots, and have the final say. It's important to note that from the time the Straw Hats and company took out doflamingo the bounty posters were sent out only 1 time, and it took only a few days for them to be issued. If Sanji was a lesser noble, would the Navy(i.e the gorosei) immediately recognize Sanji and decide they only want him alive? I don't think so. If this were the case, his family would have to see the wanted poster, THEN contact the Navy telling them that Sanji is their child, and that they want him alive. Since this didn't happen, I can only assume the Navy/Gorosei IMMEDIATELY recognized him and therefore Sanji must be of particular importance to high ranking officials in the Navy or THE GOROSEI THEMSELVES.
This could mean that Sanji is directly related to someone in the Gorosei, which would be pretty freaking cool if you ask me ^.^. Points to substantiate this(albeit not great proof) would be:
1. Sanji dresses in a manner similar to the Gorosei.
2. Sanji was a terrible Chef at age 9, which could indicate that he hadn't actually learned the trade beforehand. i.e he was a stowaway
3. Despite never using his hands to fight with, he is completely proficient in hand-to-hand combat as if he had been trained.
4. He is blond, which although doesn't necessarily mean he is a world noble, there seems to be a higher than usual # of blonde world nobles than random blonde non-world nobles. Known blond world nobles include the Donquixote family, the youngest Gorosei, Mjosguardes father and an unnamed pretty blond woman. Saint Roswalt is dirty blond.
To further the possible significance of Sanji's blonde hair, we could look at traditional Japananese symbolism in hair color. Although this is not true 100% of the time, it is often the case that a characters hair color reflects an archetype. Here's the blonde archetype.
"Confident, happy, romantic, artful, whimsical, Naïve, ditzy, impish, manipulative, callous, stubborn 1.) Dumb blonde: They may also lack maturity, and have selfish attitudes.
2.) Troublemaker: Unwittingly attracts chaos. They have street-smarts, charm, and plenty of tricks.
3.) Prince: This protagonist is rare, and demonstrates the western “prince charming” archetype. This hero/heroine is chivalrous, humble, and pure.
Blonde may be an assigned to indicate a character has foreign ancestry. Usually European/American."
I think Sanji fits the bill, here. So does Oda often use these archetypes for characters? Sanji can't be the only one. WIthout going into too much detail Nami, Zoro, Robin all do as well as a variety of random characters. But not all of them do, Luffy included.
So, who could Sanji be related to specifically? I am more of the opinion that it's a character we haven't been introduced too yet, but Oda sure likes to give hints and foreshadow so if Sanji is related to a character we have seen, my guess would be the blonde Gorosei. Interestingly, we have only seen the Blond Gorosei a few times, but when we have he has body language similar to Sanji. Sanji is noted for putting his hands in the front pockets, just as we have seen the Blond Gorosei do. That's about all the proof there is though, so take it for what it is worth.
I personally believe the celestial Dragons are somehow connected to, or related to Aliens. While I won't get into that here, I will say several of these points also add to the theory that celestial dragons come from one of the moons of one piece.
I'm not going to say I disagree fully with if Sanji is a noble or not, but I do disagree with some of your points.
I do agree its odd he got a 200m raise when he wasn't there for the end of the Dressrosa and the 'only alive'. very odd
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but just in case anyone missed it I'm going to throw my support behind the theory that Sanji is a world noble.
As we saw with his new wanted poster, Sanji is wanted ONLY ALIVE and his bounty increased more than what was deserving for his participation in the the downfall of Doflamingo. Why?
There have been some subtle hints that Sanji is some sort of royalty. Here are the clues:
1. Sanji is the only Straw Hat who's parents have not been mentioned in the story.
Wrong, Zoro's parents also haven't been mentioned. Neither have Brook's but we can discount him since we've no childhood background at all on Brook.
2. Sanji has referred to himself as Mr. Prince, and is often characterized as the "handsome prince" looking for his damsel in distress.
I'm still not sold on that, its more of a gag reference to his 'prince charming' personality of a gentleman that helps the 'damsel in distress'. Doesn't' mean he's a real prince, just that he's a real gentleman.
3. Sanji has a rare blood time RH-, which is associated with kings/ leaders/ royalty Etc. In some conspiracy theories RH- is a blood type of alien origin
This is a more solid clue something is up. Except … where in the Manga doe we get the "RH-, which is associated with kings/ leaders/ royalty Etc"? I can't recall anything but fans saying that. Please, I'd like to know about this. Is it some trope that often happens in mangas? or did I miss something? (and given how long the series have gone, that's possible)
4. Sanji is not open about his past with the crew, as it took many months for the crew to learn he was from the North Blue.
Please, this isn't a biggie as most of the crew don't talk about their past unless something plotwise prompts it.
They are 'live in the present, not the past' so a lot of their past doesn't come up.
For instance most of the crew doesn't know Usopp is connected to the Redhair Pirates (Luffy knows, Not sure Nami & Zoro does. Yes those two knows his dad is a pirate, but I don't recall anyone telling them his dad is Yasopp or what crew he's on. - and no the anime w/Daddy Masterson revealing this in front of Nami isn't canon)
No one on the crew knew that Luffy's grandpa was a vice-admiral, or that it was Garp. Most of the crew didn't know Luffy knew Shanks personally for the longest time, only Usopp knew. It wasn't until they met Garp at Water 7 did others know.
And while Nami and Zoro knew about Luffy admiring someone named Shanks (due to confrontation w/Buggy) they didn't know WHO Shanks was, only Usopp did.
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So Sanji not talking about his history…. not really a clue of being a prince.
It's also pretty suspicious that this is the first wanted poster to show his real face, and in his second poster Sanji is actually hiding his face as if he is purposefully trying to hide his identity. With the first glimpse the world has at his wanted poster, he is no longer wanted dead, just alive.
Yes its mysterious Sanji's first real photo does have 'only alive' on it, but I doubt that Sanji tried to hide his face from being photographed. First one was shown as a mistake on the photographer's part (Attach said its odd how the photo of Sanji was all black, Akainu asked if he took the lens cap off) With how much Attach photos criminals it sounds suspicious he forgot only one photo. If its not really a mistake there, it's not Sanji hiding his face there.. but Attach who is.
Remember Sanji was pissed off and depressed his photo was so messed up. This is what really makes me believe Sanji wasn't trying to hide his face.
There have only been two bounty photos for Sanji, the bad drawing and this 'only alive' one. The photo in the newspaper that showed the SHs return… that's not a bounty pic, its just a newspaper pic that was taken during his fight with the PX . IMO it looks like the back of his head because it's an 'action shot' snapped while he was attacking.
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So, I think it's pretty clear he is some form of royalty, but why a world noble in particular?
Well, I ask myself, who decides a person bounty? It's not entirely clear, but it seems the Navy report actions of pirates to the Gorosei, who have the final say on a person's bounty. The Gorosei have been shown to be the people who call the shots, and have the final say. It's important to note that from the time the Straw Hats and company took out doflamingo the bounty posters were sent out only 1 time, and it took only a few days for them to be issued. If Sanji was a lesser noble, would the Navy(i.e the gorosei) immediately recognize Sanji and decide they only want him alive? I don't think so. If this were the case, his family would have to see the wanted poster, THEN contact the Navy telling them that Sanji is their child, and that they want him alive. Since this didn't happen, I can only assume the Navy/Gorosei IMMEDIATELY recognized him and therefore Sanji must be of particular importance to high ranking officials in the Navy or THE GOROSEI THEMSELVES.
I'll admit the speed of them recognizing and stating 'only alive' is a tip off
This could mean that Sanji is directly related to someone in the Gorosei, which would be pretty freaking cool if you ask me ^.^. Points to substantiate this(albeit not great proof) would be:
1. Sanji dresses in a manner similar to the Gorosei.
2. Sanji was a terrible Chef at age 9, which could indicate that he hadn't actually learned the trade beforehand. i.e he was a stowaway
Of course he was terrible, like you said, he was only 9. He was an assistant, meaning he was only in the stage of learning the trade, not yet a master of it.
3. Despite never using his hands to fight with, he is completely proficient in hand-to-hand combat as if he had been trained.
I am fully convinced Zeff trained him to use his hands if he needs to but to use his feet for the most part
Also, I'm gunna post another commonly discussed theory because.. well.. I feel like it.
As we know there are great trees in one piece, and the majority of them are named in reference to the story of adam and eve in the bible.
1. Tree of Knowledge, eating from this tree allows for the awareness of good an evil in the bible. This was located in Ohara in one piece, and contained the people and the history to expose the void century. i.e the tree of knowledge contained the information which could make people become aware of the "evil" that is the world government.
2. Sunlight eve tree, eve referring to Eve from the bible. In one piece this is located above fishman island, and below mariejoa. This tree provides sunlight and oxygen for fishman island, and provides a hole with which ships can pass under the red line. It is interesting that without this tree, it is unlikely that human would be able to visit fish man island.
3. Treasure Adam Tree, referring to Adam from the bible. In one piece the location of this tree is unknown, however it is known that the tree produced the strongest(almost indestructable) wood from which the Thousand Sunny and the Oro Jackson were created from.
So given we have these 3 obvious references to the story of Adam and Eve, there are some potential "great tree's" that have yet to be introduced. The tree of life and the tree of the devil.
The tree of life from the bible was a tree the produced fruit granting immortality. Adam and Eve most likely never ate the fruit, because there was no need. After eating from the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge, adam and eve were punished with mortality(or death) and god no longer allowed them to eat from the tree of life.
In one piece, I think it would be easy for Oda to incorporate a "tree of life". However, a tree with fruit that granted immortality would certainly be sought after, yet with all the mysteries of the world that are often remarked as fables(City of Gold, Emerald City, Island of dreams, Sky island and Devil fruits Etc.) the Tree of life has yet to be mentioned specifically. This is curious, if we assume it exists. Several people have the answer for this.
The Tree of Life is a highly protected SECRET!!! But before we get into who could be protecting this secret, lets look at one piece characters who are considered "immortal".
1. Kaido is considered immortal, but because he roams the sea I doubt he is guarding the tree of life. I thinkn we also need to know more about Kaido before we call him "immortal".
2. Dr. Kureha is thought to be immortal, and this makes a lot of sense. However, it is unlikely she is "protecting the tree of life". She doesn't have the strength.
3. The Gorosei have been shown to look the same over a 20 year period. While Sengoku, Garp and Tsuru and many other characters have aged extensively, the Gorosei appear the same over a 20 year period, perhaps indicating they are immortal.
The Gorosei are the perfect candidates to be protecting the knowledge and location of the tree of life and the location of this tree would most likely be in Mariejoa, a place were few free people ever visit. Pirates, like Gol D. Roger have saied the ocean blue, but there's always one place that is off-limits…Mariejoa. In fact, the only people who have been there are World Nobles/Gorosei, Navy people, Slaves and shichibukai. Of these people, I suspect that knowledge of this tree is not handed out readily. Perhaps the only people who know of this tree's location in mariejoa are the Gorosei,and anybody who's willing to sneak into restricted areas. The navy follow rules, if they aren't allowed into a place in Mariejoa, typically they will not enter. The same goes for slaves and lesser world nobles. But what about shichibukai? We do know of one person who was once a celestial Dragon, who could freely visit Mariejoa and knows of a "secret national treasure in Mariejoa" who's existence, if known, would "shake the world". Donquixote Doflamingo.
Let's first ask ourselves, would knowledge of the existence of a tree of life "shake the world?" YES. Think of all the pirates who would try to attack Mariejoa for this fruit. Think of all the common people, who would beg the world government for access to this fruit to save their loved ones. Think of the riots, and destabilization that would occur when people ask themselves why the celestial dragons have earned immortality and not regular people. No doubt, this tree would "shake the world".
I'm not a huge proponent of fan fiction. For me to believe in a theory it has to be logical and fairly well supported. This theory fulfills those requirements for me. I think it's pretty likely there is a Tree of Life that produces fruit that grant immortality, and it's located in Mariejoa. This tree's existence is known only by the Gorosei, and Donquixote Doflamingo.
But what about a "Tree of the Devil"? This tree's existence in one piece seem's almost too obvious, as we currently have "Devil Fruit". How this tree works and it's history and location are a lot trickier though, so I won't speculate. However, the existence of a potential "Tree of the Devil" would certainly add fuel to the likelihood of one piece containing a "Tree of Life". If one piece had a Tree of knowledge, Tree of Adam and Eve, and a tree of the devil the lack of a tree of life would certainly we conspicuous at the very least.
As I said, many probably have already heard this theory. I did not create it. But for others, who haven't heard it, enjoy. It's a great theory.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
As we saw with his new wanted poster, Sanji is wanted ONLY ALIVE and his bounty increased more than what was deserving for his participation in the the downfall of Doflamingo. Why?
I do agree its odd he got a 200m raise when he wasn't there for the end of the Dressrosa and the 'only alive'. very odd
He just got 100m increase, not 200. He saved the G5 from a Vice Admiral and one shotted a Pacifista(who in turn were one shotting 80 mil people like nothing).
Not really that big of an increase. Zoro's the one who got an odd increase.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
1. Sanji is the only Straw Hat who's parents have not been mentioned in the story.
As Katzztar mentioned, neither Zoro nor Brook have their parents mentioned.
To add to that, Nami's real parents are unknown. Franky still has some unknown pirate father and her mother is a mystery.
Including Sanji, that's more than half of the crew.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
3. Sanji has a rare blood time RH-, which is associated with kings/ leaders/ royalty Etc. In some conspiracy theories RH- is a blood type of alien origin
And random Okama people are royalty too I guess?
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
4. Sanji is not open about his past with the crew, as it took many months for the crew to learn he was from the North Blue.
That's not Sanji. That's plot. Just like Robin was secretive until Enies Lobby. Or Nami until Arlong Park.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
It's also pretty suspicious that this is the first wanted poster to show his real face, and in his second poster Sanji is actually hiding his face as if he is purposefully trying to hide his identity. With the first glimpse the world has at his wanted poster, he is no longer wanted dead, just alive.
Nope he isn't. He hated not having a real photo. He was even jealous back in East Blue when Usopp got inside the poster but he didn't.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
So, I think it's pretty clear he is some form of royalty, but why a world noble in particular?
I think it's far from clear that Sanji is royalty.
Wrong, Zoro's parents also haven't been mentioned. Neither have Brook's but we can discount him since we've no childhood background at all on Brook.
Fair enough, but still significant.
I'm still not sold on that, its more of a gag reference to his 'prince charming' personality of a gentleman that helps the 'damsel in distress'. Doesn't' mean he's a real prince, just that he's a real gentleman.
It's of course not 100%, few theories are. But it is great foreshadowing if he is indeed a "prince".
This is a more solid clue something is up. Except … where in the Manga doe we get the "RH-, which is associated with kings/ leaders/ royalty Etc"? I can't recall anything but fans saying that. Please, I'd like to know about this. Is it some trope that often happens in mangas? or did I miss something? (and given how long the series have gone, that's possible)
Again, this isn't one piece "fact". Oda is known to incorporate aspects of the real world into one piece. The real world "fact" is that many consider RH- blood to be the blood of kings etc. Could Oda use this to subtly foreshadow? Most definitely. You must ask yourself why Oda chose to specifically name Sanji's rare blood type. Could it be a coincidence, or is it because IT HAS IMPORTANCE. I vote it's important.
Please, this isn't a biggie as most of the crew don't talk about their past unless something plotwise prompts it.
They are 'live in the present, not the past' so a lot of their past doesn't come up.
For instance most of the crew doesn't know Usopp is connected to the Redhair Pirates (Luffy knows, Not sure Nami & Zoro does. Yes those two knows his dad is a pirate, but I don't recall anyone telling them his dad is Yasopp or what crew he's on. - and no the anime w/Daddy Masterson revealing this in front of Nami isn't canon)
You got me here. I guess it doesn't really mean much.
Yes its mysterious Sanji's first real photo does have 'only alive' on it, but I doubt that Sanji tried to hide his face from being photographed. First one was shown as a mistake on the photographer's part (Attach said its odd how the photo of Sanji was all black, Akainu asked if he took the lens cap off) With how much Attach photos criminals it sounds suspicious he forgot only one photo. If its not really a mistake there, it's not Sanji hiding his face there.. but Attach who is.
You are wrong, Sanji got a new wanted posted after the time skip. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Bount…w_Hat_News.png You can argue it's an "action shot", but why would Sanji be the only Straw Hat who's face is not seen?? Fishy, to say the least.
Of course he was terrible, like you said, he was only 9. He was an assistant, meaning he was only in the stage of learning the trade, not yet a master of it.
This is only meant to imply that his parents were not chefs. At 9 he should be decent, if that's what his parents were training him to do.
I am fully convinced Zeff trained him to use his hands if he needs to but to use his feet for the most part
This is obviously debatable. However, I don't think Zeff would have trained members of his crew, if they never pirated with Sanji on board. What's the use? I think it more likely Sanji already possessed these fighting skills.
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I think it's far from clear that Sanji is royalty.
Alright, I'll try to explain to the best of my ability why this MUST be the case.
Firstly, we must determine whether it is a coincidence Sanji's "ONLY ALIVE" occur's IMMEDIATELY AFTER his face is revealed to the world.
Do you think these two things are unrelated? Did Oda just make a joke earlier, and now the jokes over, while simultaneously something else has occurred to cause Sanji to be wanted "only alive"?
If you do, you are naive. These things are, more likely than not, related. Logically speaking.
So if we have established that they are, indeed, related what could possibly be important about Sanji's face? If we are sure, his face has caused the change in his bounty poster his face must have some unknown significance.
Possibilities include:
1. Sanji is related to, or was raised by someone important in the world governemnt.(note this could also be a high ranking marine official, howver, Sanji has bumped into marine's a lot(including Garp) and has before now remained anonymous).
2. Sanji has met, and for whatever reason left a lasting impression, on someone important in the world government. Maybe he played a prank on, or cooked the greatest meal for someone of importance in the world government. I don't think this is likely but it's certainly possible.
3. Someone of importance in the world government find's him attractive?? This is ridiculous!! but possible..
4. Zeff is up to something, and they know Sanji was on the baratie! Not likely at all, but, again, possible.
5. Can you come up with any idea's? I'm tapped out.
So if his face is the reason, and these are the possibilities, which one is BY FAR the most likely…
Sanji is related to, or was raised by someone of importance in the world government.
So yes, it is pretty clear Sanji has some sort of relationship to royalty, or the marines.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Alright, I'll try to explain to the best of my ability why this MUST be the case.
Firstly, we must determine whether it is a coincidence Sanji's "ONLY ALIVE" occur's IMMEDIATELY AFTER his face is revealed to the world.
Do you think these two things are unrelated? Did Oda just make a joke earlier, and now the jokes over, while simultaneously something else has occurred to cause Sanji to be wanted "only alive"?If you do, you are naive. These things are, more likely than not, related. Logically speaking.
Correlation does not imply causation.
I won't say that the face reveal has nothing to do with "only alive" at all, but it still is a bit of a stretch to me that someone didn't recognize Sanji from the first poster but did so from the second.
We have to take in account that the last time someone in Sanji's supposed family saw Sanji was more than a decade ago.
And that most people do in fact recognize Sanji from the first poster itself. (blonde hair and curly eyebrows)
But let's for the argument's sake assume that his face reveal did in fact cause the "only alive" status.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Possibilities include:
1. Sanji is related to, or was raised by someone important in the world governemnt.(note this could also be a high ranking marine official, howver, Sanji has bumped into marine's a lot(including Garp) and has before now remained anonymous).
And they offer only a measly 177 mil for their kin because?
If remember correctly they are quite willing to spend hundreds of millions on just slaves.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
2. Sanji has met, and for whatever reason left a lasting impression, on someone important in the world government. Maybe he played a prank on, or cooked the greatest meal for someone of importance in the world government. I don't think this is likely but it's certainly possible.
Maybe. But I don't think so either. He has stayed in East Blue for most of his life. And if such an event had happened, the official would have just forced him to come then and there. It's not like anyone in Baratie would be able to resist someone so influential.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
3. Someone of importance in the world government find's him attractive?? This is ridiculous!! but possible..
One of the likely choices imo.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
So if his face is the reason, and these are the possibilities, which one is BY FAR the most likely…
Sanji is related to, or was raised by someone of importance in the world government.So yes, it is pretty clear Sanji has some sort of relationship to royalty, or the marines.
I don't get it. All you did was enumerate a bunch of reasons and went on conclude that being related to royalty was the most likely one.
How is it the most likely one? None of the precious mentioned reasons(parents not being mentioned, him not wanting a poster, etc) made any sense.
Is there really any reason for Sanji being royalty other than his nickname of Mr Prince?
I don't get it. All you did was enumerate a bunch of reasons and went on conclude that being related to royalty was the most likely one.
How is it the most likely one? None of the precious mentioned reasons(parents not being mentioned, him not wanting a poster, etc) made any sense.
Is there really any reason for Sanji being royalty other than his nickname of Mr Prince?
How is it most likely? Well, It's kind of hard to describe deductive reasoning, but given the premises that Oda has established, general premises of story telling and the specific premises with which this bit of information was revealed, I do think it is most likely.
I.e I don't think it's a coincidence Sanji hasn't had an actual photo of his face, and when his actual face is shown he is wanted 'only alive". They COULD be unrelated, but how often has Oda allowed coincidences like this to occur? Not ever, that i'm aware of. This makes it more likely that his revealed face is the reason behind the new poster. If Oda wasn't a master of intense foreshadowing, I don't think we could say this scenario is likely. However, Oda foreshadows pretty much every major reveal and is scrupulous in his details.
So, GIVEN THAT THIS CASE IS MORE LIKELY, what are LOGICAL scenario's in which Sanji's face could inspire "only alive" status.
Your opinion seems to be #1, #3 are the likely possibilities that I have mentioned. Why is #1 more likely than #3? #3 is random. It is a boring plot device, and doesn't add that much depth to the story. Wow, some world noble we don't know of has the hots for Sanji, "yay"? What's she gunna do, send more marines to attack the strawhats? lol the marines already are trying as hard as they can. Could this set up Sanji as a slave arc?? Do you really think Sanji is going to be captured at any point? Judging by what's happened in the story so far, where they need to go, sanji's fighting prowess, Luffy's faith that his crew will get their jobs done this is not likely. Oda would have to break several one piece themes for Sanji to get captured, and thus for this random world noble to get their hands on Sanji. i.e this would be pointless, a waste of a panel for a joke that isn't even funny and would be hard to execute.
The idea is to try to predict the future using the given premises and details present in the story. This is never 100%, but anything that is "more likely than not" is generally reasonable to assume true, unless future details contradict that particular assumption. For instance, perhaps that picture isn't Sanji's "real" face. Maybe when he is in love his face actually physically changes to look like someone else(again). Perhaps this is Oda making another joke. But given that Sanji often makes that face i'm going to assume that face constitutes his "real face".
In this case we can safely enumerate reason's why Sanji's face COULD be important the world government. You can't say Sanji's revealed face is important to the world government because Sanji's curley eyebrows annoy the world government officials. This makes no sense. There are limits as to why or how Sanji's revealed face could effect his bounty poster. Of these possible reasons, some are more likely than others.
You don't seem to be much of a theory type, if you can't deductively reason.
But if you still don't get it, that's fine. We will just have to watch how this all plays out.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
So, GIVEN THAT THIS CASE IS MORE LIKELY, what are LOGICAL scenario's in which Sanji's face could inspire "only alive" status.
Your opinion seems to be #1, #3 are the likely possibilities that I have mentioned. Why is #1 more likely than #3? #3 is random. It is a boring plot device, and doesn't add that much depth to the story. Wow, some world noble we don't know of has the hots for Sanji, "yay"? What's she gunna do, send more marines to attack the strawhats? lol the marines already are trying as hard as they can. Could this set up Sanji as a slave arc?? Do you really think Sanji is going to be captured at any point? Judging by what's happened in the story so far, where they need to go, sanji's fighting prowess, Luffy's faith that his crew will get their jobs done this is not likely. Oda would have to break several one piece themes for Sanji to get captured, and thus for this random world noble to get their hands on Sanji. i.e this would be pointless, a waste of a panel for a joke that isn't even funny and would be hard to execute.
You seem to have made a whole story around what will happen next in my suggestion and why it will be bad.
I am not suggesting that Sanji will get captured because someone in the Government like him.(That would be more likely if say, he was related to someone in the government)
And I don't think it will be woman. More like an Okama.
As for not adding depth to the story, that's true. But everything doesn't need to add depth to the story.
The last poster surely didn't. Neither did any of Chopper's posters. And Franky getting pissed at Usopp's gag bounty is not adding any depth either.
I find the event likely because that's how Oda usually treats Sanji.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
The idea is to try to predict the future using the given premises and details present in the story. This is never 100%, but anything that is "more likely than not" is generally reasonable to assume true, unless future details contradict that particular assumption. For instance, perhaps that picture isn't Sanji's "real" face. Maybe when he is in love his face actually physically changes to look like someone else(again). Perhaps this is Oda making another joke. But given that Sanji often makes that face i'm going to assume that face constitutes his "real face".
In this case we can safely enumerate reason's why Sanji's face COULD be important the world government. You can't say Sanji's revealed face is important to the world government because Sanji's curley eyebrows annoy the world government officials. This makes no sense. There are limits as to why or how Sanji's revealed face could effect his bounty poster. Of these possible reasons, some are more likely than others.
You don't seem to be much of a theory type, if you can't deductively reason.
As I said before, even if the face reveal is important, how does that lead to him being a noble/royal?
Why would a noble make special "only alive" status and at the same time only give a bounty of 177mil? It is too low for anyone with enough influence to change bounty posters.
He is important enough to make a special poster but not enough to pay half of what they would pay for a mermaid? Seems ridiculous to me.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
But if you still don't get it, that's fine. We will just have to watch how this all plays out.
Sure.
Jack is one of level 6 prisoners that did not join Blackbeard and escaped from Impel Down.
There is only one thing that we know for sure about Sanji's origins, and thats it that he is native and raised on North Blue.
Raised because he knew the norland story
Born because oda went out of his way to make sure there was at least a crewmember from each blue, Luffy Zoro Usopp from east, Franky from south, Robin and Brook from West, and Sanji from North, it is specialy weird with Franky who could have been a Water 7 native, or Sanji being another east blue person without any impact, but Oda decided this from the start.
That he was in the Orbit from around 8-10 years of age
His chilvary,pervertedness, smoking habits, and "I won't let you starve" attitude came after Zeff.
It's a very large stretch for him to be a world noble, if he doesn't know, what impact could it have on the plot?
There is only one thing that we know for sure about Sanji's origins, and thats it that he is native and raised on North Blue.
Raised because he knew the norland story
Born because oda went out of his way to make sure there was at least a crewmember from each blue, Luffy Zoro Usopp from east, Franky from south, Robin and Brook from West, and Sanji from North, it is specialy weird with Franky who could have been a Water 7 native, or Sanji being another east blue person without any impact, but Oda decided this from the start.That he was in the Orbit from around 8-10 years of age
His chilvary,pervertedness, smoking habits, and "I won't let you starve" attitude came after Zeff.
It's a very large stretch for him to be a world noble, if he doesn't know, what impact could it have on the plot?
that without counting that when a world noble leaves marijoa for good,is not a world noble anymore..so sajnji being one would mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things
You know I was thinking about Sanji. If you want someone alive then they probably want some kind of information. So we may be able to say that Sanji knows something about the world government that's pretty big. Sanji must have learned something during his escapade with Big Mom.
that without counting that when a world noble leaves marijoa for good,is not a world noble anymore..so sajnji being one would mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things
Nah, it's just cool. Does Usopp being related to a member of Shanks crew mean anything? Does Luffy being related to Garp mean anything? Or Dragon for that matter?
It could be argued that all these relatives will be allies of the Straw Hat crew in future arcs. Perhaps Sanji will gain an ally from the world government? Who's to say.
We know Luffy has amazing lineage. Robin is related to the Oharans, who were VERY significant. Theories exist that Zoro's master was/ is a high ranking member of the revolutionary army and he is perhaps a descendant of Ryuma. Franky was the student of the great shipwright Tom, who made the Oro Jackson and protected the blueprints for pluton. Chopper was trained by the famous Dr.Kureha,who is oerhaps immortal.
Nami's lineage is unknown as she was orphaned as a baby. However, she's a prodigy navigator.. perhaps indicating she has a powerful/important bloodline.
Brook's unlikely to have any important connection's, outside of laboon and Crocus. Although, I think Laboon will play an important role before one piece is finished, outside of just re-meeting Brook. Zoro like nami and Sanji have unknown parentage, but signs exist that he does have a famous bloodline.
The only thing going for Sanji so far is Zeff, who is a relatively weak pirate with few(if any) great deeds to his name.
None of this is "important" per say, it's just cool and gives the straw hat pirates more "wow" factor. They have slowly transformed from a group of misfits to a group with almost unparalleled connections to people who have changed the one piece world in some way. I don't think this growth is complete though, but it's just speculation.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
3. The Gorosei have been shown to look the same over a 20 year period. While Sengoku, Garp and Tsuru and many other characters have aged extensively, the Gorosei appear the same over a 20 year period, perhaps indicating they are immortal.
Those are interesting ideas, but concerning Gorosei appearance, if I'm not mistaken, we only saw them shaded during Ohara flashback. Yes, they seem to have the same beards and mustaches, but without seeing their entire faces, we can't say for sure that they haven't aged. And only 3 of them were shown.
Besides, even if they haven't aged, it can be explained with Bonney's fruit, for example.
You know I was thinking about Sanji. If you want someone alive then they probably want some kind of information. So we may be able to say that Sanji knows something about the world government that's pretty big. Sanji must have learned something during his escapade with Big Mom.
I don't know what kind of info could Sanji get from pekoms and tamago that would give him the only known alive only bounty in 800 chapters. And how would WG even know Sanji got info.
@uniaka:
I don't know what kind of info could Sanji get from pekoms and tamago that would give him the only known alive only bounty in 800 chapters. And how would WG even know Sanji got info.
It doesn't have to b e related to Big Mom. I mean, maybe the WG arrested and interviewed Zeff and found out something. The world is big enough and if it has something to do with his offspring or information, it could very well have been found out from a different source.
My 2 cents.
I have a theory on how awakening will be a big powerup for Luffy and possibly lead to creation of new gear technique.
The first question is where would be benefit to affecting environment around with gomu gomu no mi. Rubber is not something you can do direct damage with.
However the same applies to Luffy's techniques as well. That's why all of his DF based attacks except gear 2 requires some time to execute, because before every attack he have to stretch his body in some manner in order to build kinetic power. Gear 2 only makes the process faster. Second drawback is that he have to keep parts of his body ellastic in order to execute his attacks, which means that his own body always absorbs portion of damage dealt by his attacks.
What if he found a new style of fighting which completely negated those drawbacks? Awakening would open a way to that, because instead of having to stretch himself he could make any surface he lands on elastic and hence use environment around him as trampoline to augment his speed and fight while maintaining his body in solid state. As result Luffy would have a reason to develop a completely new fighting style.
That's where a new gear would come in handy. A gear which focuses on keepin his body hard which otherwise wouldn't be worth enough to put effort into developing a new fighting style for if it wasn't for gaining ability to use environment around to augment his mobility.
I have a theory on how awakening will be a big powerup for Luffy and possibly lead to creation of new gear technique.
The first question is where would be benefit to affecting environment around with gomu gomu no mi. Rubber is not something you can do direct damage with.
However the same applies to Luffy's techniques as well. That's why all of his DF based attacks except gear 2 requires some time to execute, because before every attack he have to stretch his body in some manner in order to build kinetic power. Gear 2 only makes the process faster. Second drawback is that he have to keep parts of his body ellastic in order to execute his attacks, which means that his own body always absorbs portion of damage dealt by his attacks.
What if he found a new style of fighting which completely negated those drawbacks? Awakening would open a way to that, because instead of having to stretch himself he could make any surface he lands on elastic and hence use environment around him as trampoline to augment his speed and fight while maintaining his body in solid state. As result Luffy would have a reason to develop a completely new fighting style.
That's where a new gear would come in handy. A gear which focuses on keepin his body hard which otherwise wouldn't be worth enough to put effort into developing a new fighting style for if it wasn't for gaining ability to use environment around to augment his mobility.
Cool stuff, hadn't really though of Luffy's powers like that before.
I remember people speculating that Doflamingo is the son of the blonde gorosei guy some time ago, would be funny if it turns out Sanji is the son of that blonde gorosei.( reason for his alive only bounty)
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