Damn, Oda's really hellbent in making Rebbecca look pathetic.
Chapter 789: Lucy!!
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Well at least she not totally pathetic since she was not asking luffy to save her because her own life in danger.
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nice chapter.. and I love the moment when law switch violet with luffy..
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@Al!naJames:
Rebecca continues to be the worst character in One Piece :getlost: I hope we'll never hear about her again after Stawhats leave Dressrosa.
Dear god, when will this arc end already.
P.S. I always laugh at Momonosuke at the forum banner because he's been absent from the arc forever along with the rest of the crew. Fun times.
Twist: Rebecca grows very attached to Luffy after all this saving business, and then continues to follow the Straw Hats from island to island screaming "HELP!!!!!!!!!" as she flings herself into dangerous situations that she does nothing about. Wano: HELP! There's this samurai and he has a sword! I have one too but … HELP!!!!! Ultimate conflict with Blackbeard Pirates: As Luffy gets deep into his fight with Blackbeard, trading blow for blow, he hears an all-too-familiar scream. HELP!!!!! Rebecca cries as she somehow managed to find some random mook on the island she cannot defeat. Luffy sighs deeply as he tells Blackbeard to just ignore it.
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I'm glad we could agree on a point
For her actions towards diamanté, I'd have to refresh myself on those early chapters.
I do think her actions to lift her sword to attack is part of her character arc, or maybe moreso exploring her decisions when she has reason to attack. She didn't have a reason to injure the gladiators, but if your in a fight and your mothers killer begins taunting you, I think it's fair to say you'll feel some anger, and emotions can cause you to want to attack them, so if your holding a sword you'll use it, but her aunt and her father, see that it'll change her.
I guess in another way, look at how nami was treated as a baby, nojiko and bellemerre protected her from the reality of the war torn village that she grew up in.
Or in real world terms, I could be involved in a gang lifestyle, since I know what the impact of that lifestyle is I don't want my kids in it, but i'm already a part of that world so I'm stuck living in it. I hope that makes some sense.
I agree that there are others way to be important then beating someone up though.
Rebecca attacks Diamante after some taunting but he doesn't tell her he killed her mother until later. Most of that analysis is sound though.
The difference between your Nami comparison and here is that Nami was sheltered back when she was like eight years old. Usually part of the theme of growing up is being exposed to and dealing with the uglier truths of life.
It's pretty interesting that Rebecca is so reviled when she fits the same mold as Nami, Robin, and Vivi, and I don't just mean physically. With many characters, but especially girls, Oda likes to force responsibility on them at a young age by making them deal with horrors and evils on their own. Then when the Strawhats show up and they spend time with them the girls learn to be more open about their pain and share their burden. The message is usually "you don't have to deal with this alone." Rebecca was sheltered at a young age but chose to take responsibility for defeating Doflamingo by becoming a gladiator. Now that her family and the Strawhats are here, she doesn't have to carry that torch alone anymore.
The problem is in the execution. Maybe it's because her veneer of toughness was shattered too quickly, or perhaps she was just overshadowed by a cluttered cast, but that idea of defiance never took root as firmly or as widely in the fanbase. More recently, Rebecca has been put in too many situations where she calls for help. The other three and even Shirahoshi all made an effort to deal with tings on their own and not involve other people. Rebecca makes a half-hearted effort at this at first but quickly transfers her responsibility and hops onto Luffy's and others' shoulders. While she's absolutely correct that she's often outclassed in these situations, it usually feels like her first instinct is to cry for help rather than deal with it on her own. Rebecca acts like she can help right up until the point where she's faced with real adversity, when she realizes she's not strong enough and hopes someone will save her.
The only thing more annoying than a shy, weeping damsel in distress is one who runs around actively trying to find trouble.
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Rebecca attacks Diamante after some taunting but he doesn't tell her he killed her mother until later. Most of that analysis is sound though.
The difference between your Nami comparison and here is that Nami was sheltered back when she was like eight years old. Usually part of the theme of growing up is being exposed to and dealing with the uglier truths of life.
It's pretty interesting that Rebecca is so reviled when she fits the same mold as Nami, Robin, and Vivi, and I don't just mean physically. With many characters, but especially girls, Oda likes to force responsibility on them at a young age by making them deal with horrors and evils on their own. Then when the Strawhats show up and they spend time with them the girls learn to be more open about their pain and share their burden. The message is usually "you don't have to deal with this alone." Rebecca was sheltered at a young age but chose to take responsibility for defeating Doflamingo by becoming a gladiator. Now that her family and the Strawhats are here, she doesn't have to carry that torch alone anymore.
The problem is in the execution. Maybe it's because her veneer of toughness was shattered too quickly, or perhaps she was just overshadowed by a cluttered cast, but that idea of defiance never took root as firmly or as widely in the fanbase. More recently, Rebecca has been put in too many situations where she calls for help. The other three and even Shirahoshi all made an effort to deal with tings on their own and not involve other people. Rebecca makes a half-hearted effort at this at first but quickly transfers her responsibility and hops onto Luffy's and others' shoulders. While she's absolutely correct that she's often outclassed in these situations, it usually feels like her first instinct is to cry for help rather than deal with it on her own. Rebecca acts like she can help right up until the point where she's faced with real adversity, when she realizes she's not strong enough and hopes someone will save her.
The only thing more annoying than a shy, weeping damsel in distress is one who runs around actively trying to find trouble.
I really don't think the problem is she asking for help .
The problem is every time she going to do something another character stops her and then oda uses her as a emotional tool for the other characters.
Unlike other characters that need\ask for help and did stuff afterwards oda refuse to do that with her.
He must really dislike her charcter lol . -
I have a great job, I'm in a relationship, I socialize with my friends and I train regularly and play rugby.
Don't even know how I got the time to bitch about details in my favorite manga of all time that bother me. :ninja:
Hahaha what a looooooooooser
(I'm smoking a cigarette in my dad's beat up army jacket fyi)
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Well we can no longer make fun of DBZ ever again.
I can just imagine this episode being animated. Pretty much 10 seconds takes an entire episode
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This chapter would have been better if Dofla was defeated at the end. just end it.
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End the arc already Oda.
The worst part is knowing that it's going to be at least another month until we get the story moving again and have some interesting developments.
No OP next week
790 will be setting up Luffy vs Doflamingo
791 will be Doflamingo's defeat and reaction
792 maybe we'll get some development in one of the dozens of hanging plot threadsThis arc has just gone on so long and so bloated. It just feels like an ADHD mess at times. I'm honestly looking more forward to the post-arc information because of all the plot threads: Big Mom, Kaido, Revolutionaries, WG response, Flower Country, Wano, etc.
I was also kind of disappointed that Viola barely got any panel time this chapter. Not even a brief flashback. Feels like she got the worst treatment (in panel time at least) by Oda out of the Riku family. This arc got too crowded resulting in too many characters feeling underdeveloped, even with half the Strawhats missing.
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I have to say that Gatz was very cool in this chapter ,by hyping up Luffy as the hero of Dressrosa while getting Dolflamingo to stop messing with Viola.
I have to say that I really liked Viola this chapter by fighting against Dolflamingo this chapter.
I enjoyed Cavendish thinking He's the hero . -
I dunno, I actually think that Luffy will end it in in 790. Especially with Gatz proclaiming to the entire country that (Lucy) will defeat him in one monstrous blow. With a build-up like that he's got to 1HKO him to live up it.
Well, that and the fact that Mansherry's temporary heal thing has just worn off and everyone else won't be able to hold back the birdcage anymore.
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I was also kind of disappointed that Viola barely got any panel time this chapter. Not even a brief flashback. Feels like she got the worst treatment (in panel time at least) by Oda out of the Riku family. This arc got too crowded resulting in too many characters feeling underdeveloped, even with half the Strawhats missing.
I was kinda wondering if we were going to see more of Viola's past as a DD family member in a brief flashback, but sadly we haven't. Like maybe she tried to string DD along romantically to make it easy to "see" his secrets or something and keep up the ruse that the actually became part of his close-knit crew.
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@Mr.:
I was kinda wondering if we were going to see more of Viola's past as a DD family member in a brief flashback, but sadly we haven't. Like maybe she tried to string DD along romantically to make it easy to "see" his secrets or something and keep up the ruse that the actually became part of his close-knit crew.
My god i can already see the outrage at something like that lmao.
Edit just notice DHL was banned no wonder i did not see him posting .
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This chapter would have been better if Dofla was defeated at the end. just end it.
This is the other thing. As much as I can bemoan Oda's treatment of Rebecca, if the chapter had gone like this, I'd have completely overlooked the sexist nonsense:
-As Rebecca is about to kill Violet, one panel of Law sitting alone and some dust being kicked up where Luffy was.
-A black panel that just reads "gomu-gomu no…"
-Two-page spread of Luffy using some "Hercules Railgun!!!" or "Goliath Rifle!!!" and blasting Dofla in the face, shattering his glasses into a million pieces and sending him through the birdcage.
Instead, we got:
-"Help me Lucy!"
-No chapter next week.
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I just realized upon my (non-rushed) reread that Law had enough power to perform a swap on Luffy and Viola and it made me dislike this chapter more. Is he invulnerable!?
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I just realized upon my (non-rushed) reread that Law had enough power to perform a swap on Luffy and Viola and it made me dislike this chapter more. Is he invulnerable!?
How many times had since the last warp? Nearly 1 minute? That is plenty of time to recover.
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Hi I thought this chapter was awesome. Counting down and reading dialogue was awesome. I sure felt the pump! :-)
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My god i can already see the outrage at something like that lmao.
Edit just notice DHL was banned no wonder i did not see him posting .
Yeah why did he get banned I was starting to get along with him too lol
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I wonder if he is planning on wrapping up the Sabo/Burgess thing? I kind of hope it happens off panel, I'm really interested in the conclusion to this fight now and don't really desire any more interruptions.
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I think its like Fujitora and Sabo. A page more and that's it. It would have been cool to see more of that Fujitora fight.
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Yeah why did he get banned I was starting to get along with him too lol
He failed to deliver.
Seriously though, I believe he was an alt of a previous account or two that were also banned.
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He failed to deliver.
Seriously though, I believe he was an alt of a previous account or two that were also banned.
Right because DHL is a delivery service, can't believe I never connected the dots with that one.
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I wonder if he is planning on wrapping up the Sabo/Burgess thing? I kind of hope it happens off panel, I'm really interested in the conclusion to this fight now and don't really desire any more interruptions.
Doubt it. At best Sabo and Burgess are seen walking away from each other and Burgess makes some chide remark about Ace dying and killing Luffy in the future.
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Doubt it. At best Sabo and Burgess are seen walking away from each other and Burgess makes some chide remark about Ace dying and killing Luffy in the future.
Unless bb's plan or goal involve killing luffy I doubt they want to burgess only wanted the flame flame fruit from him I doubt they're interested in luffys df
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He failed to deliver.
Seriously though, I believe he was an alt of a previous account or two that were also banned.
Nevermind, I did some ninja work and figured it out. But this isn't the place to discuss it.
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hum, this chapter felt a bit disappointing.
Oda let Viola attack Doffy to set up an emotional scene during Luffy's break, to give Doffy at least a mild reason to be distracted for another 3 or 2 minutes, to allow Luffy and Law to rescue the victim and slip the former in instantly so Doffy doesn't react to an approaching enemy. Luffy should be only too fast not to endager the victim if he already were applying Gear 4 and immediately made that one hit which is probably too soon and bloats the chapter. All characters' ability to notice Law's bubble is still quite ambiguous though.
That is very well done and there aren't many pairs who could appear and fit as nicely. I can think only the king - in place of Rebecca - who would've fit better. He would be dutiful enough to try to distract Doffy's attention just like Viola and Oda wouldn't have to reuse Rebecca as the stupid girl foolishly facing another enemy but as result only being in the way.
Even with her it would be a much better literary accomplishment if the author reversed their roles. Successfully depicting the experienced and level-headed one in chaos and despair while the young and naive princess tries to free her aunt from the oncoming wave of guilt would've had much more impact.. -
Reading the chapter again except with a MangaPanda translation, I like Gatz's speech.
Doesn't change my criticism of padding this chapter. The 5+ panels of the birdcage were wholly unnecessary.
Also I don't like that Viola didn't even get at least a brief flashback.
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Reading the chapter again except with a MangaPanda translation, I like Gatz's speech.
Doesn't change my criticism of padding this chapter. The 5+ panels of the birdcage were wholly unnecessary.
Also I don't like that Viola didn't even get at least a brief flashback.
She got several ones though. She was part of the takeover flashback, was part of Kyros' flashback, got another when she found Mansherry, and a last one when Diamante was defeated.
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She got several ones though. She was part of the takeover flashback, was part of Kyros' flashback, got another when she found Mansherry, and a last one when Diamante was defeated.
I meant within the chapter.
But even then, she was part of other people's flashbacks. We never really got the POV flashback for her. Kyros, Rebecca, even King Riku got one. -
I meant within the chapter.
But even then, she was part of other people's flashbacks. We never really got the POV flashback for her. Kyros, Rebecca, even King Riku got one.Would the technique she used on Sanji count?
Semi-serious question.
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@Daz:
I'm sorry, but did you just insinuate oh so cleverly that people who take issue with Rebecca are, in so many words, losers with nothing better to do? I'm sure you didn't imply that, that would be a rather crappy personal low-blow, which would be doing far more to poison this subforum than negative criticism ever could.
I see no reason for person to get so worked up over manga character that doesnt fit their expectations(but author is continuously consistent with that character).
As for poisoning this sub forum - I guess that truth(for many what I wrote is truth) isnt always nice to look at. And even if it doesnt fit for 100% of complainers I am sure it fits for many and perhaps thinking about "lack of other problems" could help some people distance themselves a bit from discussion. I am telling this from lately detached from this place pov. Ignoring some of main reasons of something that is viewed by many as problematic is one of reasons problem continues and its effects are not lessened.Maybe I am just not that much into discussion as I was before. Its very disturbing to see some people repeating their negative opinions even after they were based on things that were discussed milion times already. Like Rebecca and Odas sexism- Oda is parent and he added some family-relation themes into manga, lately he is giving more attention to "saving children". During Punk Hazard we had Strawhats saving children, now we have Rebecca aaand we even have "Doflamingo family" as a group of villains. Oda clearly wants to touch upon more of family bonds subject. He was consistent with Doflamingo family rules and he also does same thing with Rebecca.
Other person that was so consistent with his way that it hurt readers - Bellamy. That is another example of Oda creating CHARACTER and sticking to it, not throwing left and right magically super resolved characters beating far stronger enemies. Maybe some of people from here were reading too many other mangas that worked like that and gotten to expect same thing to chappen with Bellamy or Rebecca.
Rebecca that is 16 years old girl that doesnt want to hurt anybody. Oda wanted to show through Dressrosa that Rebecca even while being daughter of Gladiator Kyros, doesnt want to hurt anybody as she is very delicate person. Not all women need to be Trantino-strong females.
Though even as people mock Rebecca for being weak and useless - she managed to avoid fatal blow from Hakuba while loved by most people here "so strong" Dellinger gotten slain and wasnt even able to react to Hakubas speed. All depends on how Oda prefers to portray a character.
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She got several ones though. She was part of the takeover flashback, was part of Kyros' flashback, got another when she found Mansherry, and a last one when Diamante was defeated.
None of which actually focused on her as an character rather than King Riku's daughter .
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"If you won't, Luffy…we won't be able to hold on much longer" Zoro said. This can't help making me think that Zoro actually admitted that Doflamingo, even with his fatal injuries , was too strong for him to defeat within that timespan. That's why Zoro just did what he can which was to slow down the Birdcage instead of engaging the source directly.
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@Doffy.:
None of which actually focused on her as an character rather than King Riku's daughter .
Well, we did get a brief flashback of her relationship with the Dwarves.
There's not much beyond that and her relationship with Sanji, which is very recent. Law already got the flashback detailing the life within the family anyway.
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Lucy…..!!! I wish you could have saved me from this bad chapter.
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Would the technique she used on Sanji count?
Semi-serious question.
Nah, that's just relaying information visually with her technique.
I just find it to be one of the (many) weird inconsistencies with this arc. You'd think Oda would have given her a bigger role and importance being both a member of the Riku family and betraying Doflamingo.
But… it's not like she's the only one underutilized this arc. It seems like the only reason Mansherry was written into existence was to heal people at various points.
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I really don't think the problem is she asking for help .
The problem is every time she going to do something another character stops her and then oda uses her as a emotional tool for the other characters.
Unlike other characters that need\ask for help and did stuff afterwards oda refuse to do that with her.
He must really dislike her charcter lol .Right. With Vivi, she made an attempt, all her plans were really damn good and would've outsmarted any other villian except croc was also such a damn compelling villain. Even if in the end she was outsmarted, vivi made a damn attempt and DID something of worth. It was her leadership that people were attracted to and it was her development with the crew that made the amount of effort the SHs went through to help her so much better. Comparing Nami, Vivi or anyone to Rebecca is like apples and oranges.
The only thing they have the same are that they are females and they need to beat something that made them have a shitty childhood. That's like 1% of the story when the 99% of the rest of it, the ins and outs of their stories are so different.
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Nah, that's just relaying information visually with her technique.
I just find it to be one of the (many) weird inconsistencies with this arc. You'd think Oda would have given her a bigger role and importance being both a member of the Riku family and betraying Doflamingo.
But… it's not like she's the only one underutilized this arc. It seems like the only reason Mansherry was written into existence was to heal people at various points.
That's not really what an inconsistence is. Viola did have a respectable role outside of exposing things. Revealed Doula's plan to Sanji, allowed him to save the Sunny team, helped Luffy infiltrate the palace, assisted on Sugar's defeat and also allowed Leo to find Mansherry. She did a lot more than people give her credit for.
Mansherry was underutilized as a character, yes, but was a vital plot point as she was really important for Doula's plans. She was the typical damsel.
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Violet was the best or second best member of the Riku clan but received probably the least focus. She's certainly less aggravating then either Dolde III or Rebecca, outside of her inferior fight narration and vote of no confidence in the marines.
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It's kinda sad that dying is probably the most useful thing Rebecca could do at this point. Imagine how pumped and angry Luffy would get seeing that, he'd go super saiyan on Doffy and it'd probably be the most interesting thing to watch in a while. Great bittersweet end to the arc for the survivors. As opposed to Rebecca staying alive and embarrassing herself some more. Of course barely anyone ever dies, but a man can dream.
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I'd rather read a One Piece Chapter where every single panel is this:
Than believe that people saying that single chapters are awful and worthless, have anything worthwhile to add. You get all these meaningful panels to satisfy that drug-like weekly craving, and then waste it all by being an ingrate. All the tension building up to wanting to see the chapter is released, gradually with each passing page; all that anticipation is drained, and yet, you can't even have the satisfaction that the cycle is complete. "What a waste of a chapter," as if there haven't been hundreds and hundreds of chapters which all flow into each other mostly well to extremely well, which is the whole point that people are even lucky to be here in the first place. Even if it's the worst arc, all these facts of the matter are there.What I'm saying is that MangaPanda at its worst is better than these people.
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What I'm saying is that MangaPanda at its worst is better than these people.
No, it isn't. MangaPanda are pretty much profiting from material that isn't theirs.
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I loved the chapter. Only the first two pages felt like filler IMO.
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Twist: Rebecca grows very attached to Luffy after all this saving business, and then continues to follow the Straw Hats from island to island screaming "HELP!!!!!!!!!" as she flings herself into dangerous situations that she does nothing about. Wano: HELP! There's this samurai and he has a sword! I have one too but … HELP!!!!! Ultimate conflict with Blackbeard Pirates: As Luffy gets deep into his fight with Blackbeard, trading blow for blow, he hears an all-too-familiar scream. HELP!!!!! Rebecca cries as she somehow managed to find some random mook on the island she cannot defeat. Luffy sighs deeply as he tells Blackbeard to just ignore it.
Yeah it'd be something like this
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How citizens are pushing alongside zoro and others ?
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Why do people expect so much from a 16 year old girl who lived by fear for many years. She was up against a 41 year old Heavenly Demon that ruled since she was young and was almost forced by that man to kill her own Aunt.
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Why do people keep saying she was going to kill Viola? Her blade is about as dangerous as a basket of puppies.
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Why do people keep saying she was going to kill Viola? Her blade is about as dangerous as a basket of puppies.
she went to kill doflamingo obviously so she should pick up a sharp sword