Yeah, great comic relief for Usopp in 419. XD And his sling was sooo unuseful.
(that was sarcasm if you couldn't tell)
Who Else Hates that Usopp is comic relief?
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Yeah, great comic relief for Usopp in 419. XD And his sling was sooo unuseful.
(that was sarcasm if you couldn't tell)Not really. We haven't seen him use it for anything except that one attack, which is apprently much weaker than the weapon he made for Nami since it can't even defeat Spandam. So far his new weapon seems totally pointless. Also, 419 isn't good enough to end the Usopp build up thing IMO. He deserves at least a chance to properly show off Kabuto.
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@Skull:
Not really. We haven't seen him use it for anything except that one attack, which is apprently much weaker than the weapon he made for Nami since it can't even defeat Spandam. So far his new weapon seems totally pointless. Also, 419 isn't good enough to end the Usopp build up thing IMO. He deserves at least a chance to properly show off Kabuto.
That's right. 419 ain't the end of the build up. This is just part one. After all, we still need a "Sogeking vs." Chapter. But the fact is, while soldiers bullets are blown off in the wind, Sogeking's shots clearly show a bigger advantage.
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@yokaiforte:
But the fact is, while soldiers bullets are blown off in the wind, Sogeking's shots clearly show a bigger advantage.
That's the point I was trying to make. And the fact that he's not comic relief.
And who cares if Spandam wasn't killed? That wasn't the point of the chapter. He needs to still be conscious for the purposes of the plot.
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He may not be comic relief in this chapter, but he's still very much the supporting, just a notch above the likes of Paulie and Zambai, almost filler character he's been during the WG saga.
Oda still owes Usopp fans something else.
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I'm an Usopp fan. I don't think he owes us jack.
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Pardon me, I should have precised "Usopp fans who're not satisfied with him being a supporting, just a notch above the likes of Paulie and Zambai, almost filler character".
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Oda still owes Usopp fans something else.
Yes. A sogeking vs. (insert name here) chapter. That's it.
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Well, again, considering that I feel like Usopp has been like, the main character of this arc, maybe even more than Robin, I don't feel owed anything. :/
I was just mentioning to a friend of mine who produces his own comic about how a couple of people are complaining that Usopp's role in this arc is fillerish and his response was "What?! That's insane!" I just don't get it. :P -
ok yes, chapter 419 was what I was looking for
he proved himself rather well there :D
yes he is really cool now
"Is the singing really neccisary?"
lmao
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Well it depends what you mean by filler. If you're talking about exposure, then no Usopp is no filler character.
If you're talking about his actions and their consequences on the grand scheme of things, that's a different story.
Cause giving a heart wrenching speech to Robin (which changed f^%c all to Robin's behaviour), convincing Giants to rebel to help the Strawhats to reach the Tower of Justice, and finally the last actions in chapter 419, well it's pretty comparable to the stuff Paulie did (helping find Luffy and Zoro at W7, then saving them and Nami and Chopper from Aqua Laguna, before taking part to EL's invasion), and far from equaling Sanji or even Zoro's feats, who both had actual fights in addition of their supporting roles.
Ah screw that I'm ranting again.
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I'm an Usopp fan. I don't think he owes us jack.
hey im also an usopp fan who doesnt think that he owes us jack mebbe we should start a club:silly:
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Well it depends what you mean by filler. If you're talking about exposure, then no Usopp is no filler character.
If you're talking about his actions and their consequences on the grand scheme of things, that's a different story
Cause giving a heart wrenching speech to Robin (which changed f^%c all to Robin's behaviour), convincing Giants to rebel to help the Strawhats to reach the Tower of Justice, and finally the last actions in chapter 419, well it's pretty comparable to the stuff Paulie did (helping find Luffy and Zoro at W7, then saving them and Nami and Chopper from Aqua Laguna, before taking part to EL's invasion), and far from equaling Sanji or even Zoro's feats, who both had actual fights in addition of their supporting roles.
Ah screw that I'm ranting again.
:blink: I swear we're reading different stories.
What "feats" did Sanji and Zoro accomplish? They were what I'd consider the "filler" roles in the story. It was like Oda just had to find something for them something to do so they wouldn't be deadweight in the story. Woo, they had a couple of quick fights with henchmen that everyone knew they would beat. They have been incredibly predictable. Usopp on the other hand has been at the very heart and soul of the story. It's been his journey from leaving the crew and finding his way back again, just like Robin, except we see the story from his eyes a lot more often where I feel more like I'm on the outside pitying Robin for something that Oda has been slowly making us understand.
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:blink: I swear we're reading different stories.
What "feats" did Sanji and Zoro accomplish? They were what I'd consider the "filler" roles in the story. It was like Oda just had to find something for them something to do so they wouldn't be deadweight in the story. Woo, they had a couple of quick fights with henchmen that everyone knew they would beat. They have been incredibly predictable. Usopp on the other hand has been at the very heart and soul of the story. It's been his journey from leaving the crew and finding his way back again, just like Robin, except we see the story from his eyes a lot more often where I feel more like I'm on the outside pitying Robin for something that Oda has been slowly making us understand.
taking down really strong members of CP9 > Crying about the ship and running away like a baby
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taking down really strong members of CP9 > Crying about the ship and running away like a baby
He didn't run away. He challenged a man whom he knew would beat him, and still gave him as much hell as he could muster.
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taking down really strong members of CP9 > Crying about the ship and running away like a baby
You know… It's becoming PAINFULLY obvious that you only care about characters when they fight alot...
And you're also wrong on that stance.
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taking down really strong members of CP9 > Crying about the ship and running away like a baby
And you just lost any possible credibility in this discussion, seeing how much ignorance of the story you have just shown.
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so people are only worth something if they are really strong and can beat people up? hmmm, well what about betoven, or gaundi. How about mother terissa? "Ya, they never beat anyone up, what the hell did they ever do? they really suck, don't they"
Your kind of mentality belongs in a gang. Oh ya, gangs like to use guns too, don't they. Hey, gangs must be cool then, right? -
I think we call that "the strong survive, the weak die (or become filler characters)". I haven't seen Zoro really do anything in the story that amounts as much as Usopp. What we have seen him do in W7/EL
Water 7: Fought Kaku. Got thrown out and stuck in a chimney.
Train ride: Cut the sea train's passenger carts in half, Defeated TBone
EL: Lounging on king bulls, runs around the courthouse. Fights Kaku.The end. All in all, I don't think zoro's done as much as Usopp. But no one's complaining…
PS: By the way, Captain Usopp, they're names are Beethoven, Ghandi, and Mother Theresa.
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@yokaiforte:
you know what drives a bullet fast? The force that is the gunpowder blast in a gun. Chances are that his ammo is gonna blow up in a gun. And if he makes it too formidable to withstand it, the ammo may not work. Especially his gunpowder star. Which would probably blow up in there because of how unstable gunpowder can be.
And shooting a pole and it falling is pathetic.
Besides, Chapter 419.
You know this is a manga right? Fictional? As in, the gun doesn't have to follow the laws of physics or reality?
As for we want fighters? Not people. No, that is you trying to pidgeonhole them (the people that are complaining), we don't want bitches, who spend all day all story being shoved down our throats as a bitch. Grow a pair. Fuck man, Nami rocks bigger ones that Usopp most of the time. Being silly is one thing, scared is fine. Look at Chopper. It works very well.
HOWEVER, Usopp hasn't evolved. Of course he is older, has had hardships and forged bonds, but his persona is still the same (oh! He's staying true to his character) And his character SUCKED in the beginning. In the absolute sense, I mean. With less characters around, he worked better. (As in just LZN back then.) The goofy cowardice should be atleast decreased with confidence given from friends.
That's what's this arc is about isn't it? Atleast for him. His confidence. And until now, it's been NO showing or gain in confidence since way back in Water 7.
'Course, I don't even like him. Just…it's too shonen. Hey Krillin, oops! I meant Usopp.
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Usopp is a normal person with no skills (expect almost god-like sharpshooter skills). I think that he's too…. ordinary. That's rude word to say about him, but really. Mostly people watch anime and other fiction stories because that gets out of the real world. And in dreamlands; no one's weak.
But Usopp is weak. If we compare him to others. Luffy is rubberman, Zoro is tha swordsman et cetera... Our dear Longnose-kun is just too like us.But that's why I like him. He's not the best. He's just Usopp <3
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:blink: I swear we're reading different stories.
What "feats" did Sanji and Zoro accomplish? They were what I'd consider the "filler" roles in the story. It was like Oda just had to find something for them something to do so they wouldn't be deadweight in the story. Woo, they had a couple of quick fights with henchmen that everyone knew they would beat. They have been incredibly predictable. Usopp on the other hand has been at the very heart and soul of the story. It's been his journey from leaving the crew and finding his way back again, just like Robin, except we see the story from his eyes a lot more often where I feel more like I'm on the outside pitying Robin for something that Oda has been slowly making us understand.
It seems to me that people are clinging to the most insignificant tasks Oda gives to Usopp, trying to convince themselves he's oh so important and vital to the crew, while he's not, at least far least important than other members. Usopp has been at the heart of the story, that's right. But what has he done for his friends? What role did he play? Let's see;
-loses 200 millions berry. Gets his ass kicked. Whines.
-tries to get it back. Fails.
-gets in a fight with Luffy. Gets his ass kicked.
-is the first to befriend Franky. AWESOME!§!!12! Not.
-is unable to avoid Merry's destruction. Gets his ass kicked by Kaku.
-tries to talk Robin into coming back while his nakamas kick all kind of asses. Fails. Gets his ass kicked by Blueno and Robin.
-convincesGiants to rebel. His most convincing supporting role until now.
-gets his ass kicked by Jyabura, in the worst possible way.
-gets rid of some insignificant marines, something the likes of Sanji do since vol 12, is unable to put down the weakest opponent of the arc, and serves as supporting role to another character.Now I think it's an unbiased view of his acts during that arc. I understand being a fan sometimes mean you'll support your object of affection no matter what he does, but I simply can't comprehend how you can find the way Oda dealt with his character in this arc satysfying.
Let's compare with Sanji: he had less screentime, but what he did was a hundred more meaningful than Usopp's whining and useless background adventures; took revenge from the FF, went to search Robin, freed Usopp and Franky, led the offensive on the sea train, kicked major asses on said train, took down dozen of marines at EL, showed his code of honor in a badass way after getting his ass kicked first, made short work of his main opponent.
With Zoro; destroyed the aqua laguna, cut the sea train in half, ruined T-Bone, beat Marines at EL, made up for Sogeking's idiocy during the CP9 fights, kicked his main opponent's ass.
I won't talk about Luffy and Franky, but you get the point. All of these things are far more important than anything Usopp did. Failures in these cases would have ended in the crew getting killed. The only ones who're more or less in Usopp's situations are Chopper (did nothing and had very few screentime) but the sheer brutality and badassness of his main fight more than make up for it, and mainly Nami, who was actually useless in that arc, and got involved in some pathetic fan service fight. Nami is actually worse, though it doesn't say much.
I always loved "weak" cliché characters in shonen, because I think they're by far the most interesting, the ones with the most potential; you see them fail, struggle, have identity crisis, but in the end they prevail and show they're as good as the others.
A weak character who constantly fails, is mainly used as comic relief even during important fights, whose feats are comparable to those of minor characters long lost in the background, but more importantly, weak characters who show absolutely zero change in the course of an arc supposedly dedicated to their character development are complete failures.
If it stays this way, Oda will have managed to turn me into a Usopp hater, well played.
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Instead of Usopp debating, you just started Usopp bashing. That bad. That like corset. CORSET BAD! Seriously, Usopp has the "sentimental" stuff. You shrug stuff off as if it is insignificant. Using the words "Ass", "kicked" and "whines" aren't very descriptive or un-biased either.
"With Zoro; destroyed the aqua laguna, cut the sea train in half, ruined T-Bone, beat Marines at EL, made up for Sogeking's idiocy during the CP9 fights, kicked his main opponent's ass."
Could be changed to:
Beat some stuff up and break stuff like he always does.
Cut train in half. Yawn.
Beat marines and that makes him cooler compared to Usopp when beating marines is bad.
Had to do some extra stuff.
Beat the guy. Yay. I think. snoreYou are thinking with a pessimistic mind, my dear friend.
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Oh, I see, the "sentimental stuff", you mean Usopp is OP's token wangst character? That's even worse than what I thought.
Seriously though, I think I developped my points enough not to be accused of "bashing". And my point remains; during the course of this saga he's been more of a dead weight than an assett to his nakamas. I'd like to see the Usopp brigade try and dispute that fact.
edit just figured out I'm talking to a 11 year old on a manga forum, rambling about a fictional character. Maybe I should get a life.
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Not really. We haven't seen him use it for anything except that one attack, which is apprently much weaker than the weapon he made for Nami since it can't even defeat Spandam. So far his new weapon seems totally pointless. Also, 419 isn't good enough to end the Usopp build up thing IMO. He deserves at least a chance to properly show off Kabuto.
I guess you missed him picking off the other marines then.
And I guess you don't realize the huge amount of distance those shots are covering, which I don't think would've been possible with his old slingshot.
Usopp really lost it for me in this arc, when he cried about the damn ship, placed it on higher importance than his friends, and then later said "I knew it would happen anyway." What the hell?! All of that stupid whining for nothing? Goddamn.
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-gets rid of some insignificant marines, something the likes of Sanji do since vol 12, is unable to put down the weakest opponent of the arc, and serves as supporting role to another character.
Well, almost but not quite. He put down those marines from a huge distance away, something that Sanji can't and couldn't do, especially considering that Sanji was so far away from the gate of justice at the time. So yes, Sanji could easily beat that group of marines, but Usopp is the only one who can do it from that far away.
Also, in defense of Nami, the more I think about the more I think that Nami was probably the only person who could beat Calipha, with the way Oda conviently wrote it. She's probably one of the only SHs who can fight with no strength, caused by Calipha's strength draining soap fruit.
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As much as I like Usopp, I too want him to start using guns. I see nothing wrong with him doing so. Yes, the slingshots are fun and all but if Usopp wants to emulate his dad then he needs to start using guns. Like I said in another topic, Usopp could be the equivalent of Zoro, only he uses guns not swords. He could still have his loveable, eccentric personality but be a serious fighter that is feared by many. It wouldn't hurt for him to use real weapons instead of just using souped-up slingshots.
And I too want him to be more than comic relief. I love that he is wacky and weird, but I wouldn't want him to be like all those horrible Disney comic relief characters. Don't get me wrong though, I adore Usopp! I like him because he's the nerd of the Straw Hats. Who says he can't be a scary nerd? -
As much as I like Usopp, I too want him to start using guns. I see nothing wrong with him doing so. Yes, the slingshots are fun and all but if Usopp wants to emulate his dad then he needs to start using guns. Like I said in another topic, Usopp could be the equivalent of Zoro, only he uses guns not swords.
Yeah. It would be actually just awesome seeing a gun-kata Usopp in future arcs like his dad. But his current weapon, Kabuto, already does have good potential. How much Marines he can take down in a few seconds with that thing, and actually teaching Spandam a painful lesson as he drags Robin to the ship. But I have to agree even though I have found a liking into Kabuto, gun-kata Usopp like Yasopp would just be made of double the pure badass win he is right now ^^. But, if Oda does decide to get him into using guns, he'll need to get some good ones, maybe in the next island or town they travel to on future arcs.
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It seems to me that people are clinging to the most insignificant tasks Oda gives to Usopp, trying to convince themselves he's oh so important and vital to the crew, while he's not, at least far least important than other members. Usopp has been at the heart of the story, that's right. But what has he done for his friends? What role did he play?
It seems to me that some people just have a different idea of what makes the story good and what is important. If I were in denial about my feelings, I wouldn't have such a hard time seeing your perspective. I'm not claiming you're in denial for not agreeing with me. I'm looking at it from a dramatic perspective, and what really grabs my interest in the story and the character, and looking forward to the future. One Piece has a long way to go still. If Usopp accomplished everything right now, I would get bored. I like a story when nothing goes right for a character for a long period of time. There's a reason for it. Maybe that's the difference between you and me.
Has Usopp always failed? Do you go through this every story arc? Can you see beyond the chapters you're in? At least by now? I'm starting to how you managed to stay a fan of Usopp this far. But if a few story arcs from now, it stays the same, then even I will concede to that point, though I can't imagine ever hating the character. I was a fan from day 1 back when I never thought he would do any major asskicking anyway. I guess I fail at Shonen. :PAnd agmaster's post was nothing but "I have always hated Usopp and I think he sucks" and not worth responding to. Please don't turn this into an Usopp bashing thread. :getlost:
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I've always liked Usopp a lot. It's sad that people have grown to hate him with this arc. It actually made him my favorite character along with Luffy. I never dwelled on the fact that he failed to do something, I only saw that he tried to do it. Trying to get the money back on his own, fighting with Luffy, trying to repair the Merry even when he knew it was done for, etc. Everything he did made him more interesting as a character.
Depending on how you looked at what he did, you could say he just kept whining and getting his ass kicked…but that just sounds very shallow to me. As an example, one could say that his outburst about Merry was stupid because the ship was more important to him than his crew, but then you wouldn't be looking at the character's reasons and how he felt at that moment. I always like to put myself in a character's shoes in stories so I could understand why they did what they did.
As for the gun vs slingshot debate...I wouldn't mind if Usopp got a gun because I'm sure Oda can make it interesting somehow. I have no problem with his slingshot though.
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Now I think it's an unbiased view of his acts during that arc.
lol! I agree with you that Sanji has done ALOT this arc. I dunno if I agree it was more then Usopp or more important but he stopped playing second string to Zoro and Luffy and took charge of things for once. Zoro on the other hand has been on glorified clean up duty. I really don't see how you can say he's done much of anything except clean up the garbage left or overlooked by the other characters in a stylish way.
In my opinion Usopp is always in the forefront of fights alongside Zoro,Luffy, and Sanji anyway. The only reason people are complaining is because while the other characters pose and act super cool even while losing, Usopp reacts to the situations more reasonably and more realisticly by considering escape and being conscerned about losing his life.
Usopp fights are some of the most unpredictable in the series, if not THE most unpredictable. We always know Luffy will stretch, Zoro will cut crap, and Sanji will Kick but ''what the hell is Usopp gonna do this time?'' is always my reaction to his battles. I really don't want Usopp to get some huge trump card weapon like a gun or even Kabuto. Or to focus too much on just sniping to win battles. Usopp's goal was never to become the world's greatest sniper and thank god for that! Because of that, he can have more variety in his fights than fighters like Zoro who absolutely MUST use swords to win a battle or it doesn't count.
Usopp gets the most development in the series and people complain that his character has advanced enough? Think about it, is Usopp excatly as he was when the Sh's picked him up? No. Except for a few new moves her and there, is Zoro? Yeah, pretty much. Outside of the very first chapter we've yet to see major development from Luffy. Which is why the Uso vs, Luffy thing was welcomed. People see it as just a chance to make Usopp develop his character but it also made Luffy have to tackles issues that were alot darker and more complex than we'd seen from him yet.
In any other series, Usopp would be completely ignored, missused, or just fall into the role of standard comic relief character. But Oda-sensei uses his to near perfection and I agree he is definetly one of the most original anime/manga characters in the last couple years. Have you not seen other shounen series and how they all take cues from Oda and have been creating their own Uso-influenced brand of 'odd' underdog characters: Ryu in Shaman King, Lee in Naruto,etc. If there is a character Oda needs to learn how to deal with better, it's the female protagonist.
That said, I still don't like Kabuto. It just seems too…unoriginal. It's like he needed a fighting upgrade for Usopp and went, 'what's better than a slingshot? Hmm..BIGGER SLINGSHOT!!' I would've preferred some other kind of weapon that's not a gun but better for sniping. Like a modified crossbow.
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What exactly do you want Usopp to do then?
Honestly. :/
Usopp really lost it for me in this arc, when he cried about the damn ship, placed it on higher importance than his friends, and then later said "I knew it would happen anyway." What the hell?! All of that stupid whining for nothing?
I think I go with Meowch's view on this and personally, I'd rather see Usopp make a terrible mistake and COME BACK (and do something great, of course) then to have Usopp make a terrible mistake and go wangsty-Sasuke-mode on us. :/
That said, I still don't like Kabuto. It just seems too…unoriginal. It's like he needed a fighting upgrade for Usopp and went, 'what's better than a slingshot? Hmm..BIGGER SLINGSHOT!!' I would've preferred some other kind of weapon that's not a gun but better for sniping. Like a modified crossbow.
Er, we still don't totally know how it works, so I'm not sure how that can be said just yet.
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As an example, one could say that his outburst about Merry was stupid because the ship was more important to him than his crew, but then you wouldn't be looking at the character's reasons and how he felt at that moment. I always like to put myself in a character's shoes in stories so I could understand why they did what they did.
I agree. I've said this so many times before in the past that I feel kinda like a broken record, but it's been awhile so I guess it's ok.
If you don't like what Usopp did involving Luffy and the Going Merry, then that's fine. But at least understand why he was doing those things. The facts are:
*the only one who knew of the 'soul' of the GM was Usopp
*Usopp was feeling useless because of the money issue
*Luffy's captaincy had been challenged by IceburgBecuase of these things, Usopp believed that the Going Merry still had potential to sail and live on. When Luffy pulled out that catalogue and was showing Usopp all the bigger ships they get for less money, Usopp didn't take it well.
He didn't lose his over 'some ship,' he lost his head over what he thought at the time was unfair treatment of a weaker nakama.
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@Ao:
In my opinion Usopp is always in the forefront of fights alongside Zoro,Luffy, and Sanji anyway. The only reason people are complaining is because while the other characters pose and act super cool even while losing, Usopp reacts to the situations more reasonably and more realisticly by considering escape and being conscerned about losing his life.
No. At least not for me. He didn't consider escape during the WG saga. Actually he stood up and faced his opponents. Whether it is the FF or Jyabura. I have zero problem with the cowardly aspect of his personality, I think it makes him interesting, more interesting than the badass characters.
The only reason I'm complaining is because compared to other characters, he's getting far more damage and defeats, and while others will use it to come back stronger and somehow make up for it he just gets back up, tries again, and fails again. Some may find it remarkable and interesting, I find it pathetic. Enough is enough.
Usopp fights are some of the most unpredictable in the series, if not THE most unpredictable. We always know Luffy will stretch, Zoro will cut crap, and Sanji will Kick but ''what the hell is Usopp gonna do this time?'' is always my reaction to his battles. I really don't want Usopp to get some huge trump card weapon like a gun or even Kabuto. Or to focus too much on just sniping to win battles. Usopp's goal was never to become the world's greatest sniper and thank god for that! Because of that, he can have more variety in his fights than fighters like Zoro who absolutely MUST use swords to win a battle or it doesn't count.
That's a moot point as he doesn't even fight in this arc. But anyway, basically you don't want him to focus on his strong points to win battles? Makes sense.
Usopp gets the most development in the series and people complain that his character has advanced enough? Think about it, is Usopp excatly as he was when the Sh's picked him up? No. Except for a few new moves her and there, is Zoro? Yeah, pretty much. Outside of the very first chapter we've yet to see major development from Luffy. Which is why the Uso vs, Luffy thing was welcomed. People see it as just a chance to make Usopp develop his character but it also made Luffy have to tackles issues that were alot darker and more complex than we'd seen from him yet.
Well, that's the point: he got zero development. He went from being able to defeat one of Arlong's henchmen, a fishman, who're supposedly way more powerful than humans, to getting humiliated twice by a bunch of C grade characters. He's still using the same attacks, which proved to be completely useless when it really matters, while all others had upgrades and new moves.
In any other series, Usopp would be completely ignored, missused, or just fall into the role of standard comic relief character. But Oda-sensei uses his to near perfection and I agree he is definetly one of the most original anime/manga characters in the last couple years. Have you not seen other shounen series and how they all take cues from Oda and have been creating their own Uso-influenced brand of 'odd' underdog characters: Ryu in Shaman King, Lee in Naruto,etc. If there is a character Oda needs to learn how to deal with better, it's the female protagonist.
That's funny as I think being misused or falling into the role of standard comic relief character is exactly what "Oda sensei" does with Usopp. As for Oda or Usopp's influence towards "odd underdog characters", Oda didn't create anything, he's just using a standard of shonen manga, the weak character who (supposedly) evolves during the adventure.
I remember one of the first manga I read when I was a kid, it was a Dragon Quest adaptation. It had mediocre art and the most predictable storyline, but the characters were classic shonen stereotypes, and they were so well done I was hooked: the naive, riduculously powerful hero; the badass warrior who may look like a primate but has a great heart; the chick with huge physical power who keeps on kicking the guys asses; and the weak coward, who gradually changes and saves the day at the end while nobody counted on him.
All these stereotypes are more or less present in One Piece; I just think Usopp is the classical underdog character gone horribly wrong.
What exactly do you want Usopp to do then?
I'd have liked him to be put in hopeless situations where it seems he can't make it, but somehow manage to win, using his brains, his tricks and his sniping ability to prevail over a more powerful opponent.
I'd have liked to see him help his nakamas with his particular talents, instead of always being the one rescued or avenged.
I'd have liked to see him stay a regular member of the crew, have less screentime but valuable, meaningful exposure, not that whingefest of fighting Luffy and leaving the crew for… For what exactly? or these situations where he was ridiculed and looked like a proper fool, during the fights against the CP9.
Simple.
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As an example, one could say that his outburst about Merry was stupid because the ship was more important to him than his crew, but then you wouldn't be looking at the character's reasons and how he felt at that moment.
Yeah, I looked at the reasons…. and I still think it's stupid. Especially since he later admitted that he knew the ship wouldn't be able to sail on anyway.
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Yeah, I looked at the reasons…. and I still think it's stupid. Especially since he later admitted that he knew the ship wouldn't be able to sail on anyway.
All that showed was that he was in denial the whole time. He chose to push the truth away because it hurt too much. Is that really so stupid?
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@Cap'n:
Yeah, I looked at the reasons…. and I still think it's stupid. Especially since he later admitted that he knew the ship wouldn't be able to sail on anyway.
But the way he believed, you don't leave a friend behind just for being disabled. He would be a hypocrite if he felt that he was a burden, and thought that Merry should be left behind and not him. Plus I don't think he was sure that Merry couldn't make it. He knew what the ship's condition was, but he believed against all circumstances that Merry could make it, just like a human being could pull through with enough faith and care. Usopp has always been like that. He knew his mom was dying, but he chose to run around saying that his father was going to return with a miracle cure that he knew didn't exist. That's Usopp for you. Either you love him for this, or hate him.
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He knew his mom was dying, but he chose to run around saying that his father was going to return with a miracle cure that he knew didn't exist. That's Usopp for you. Either you love him for this, or hate him.
Well, that was when he was a kid… so if he's still having that kind of attitude at this juncture, it turns me off of him even more.
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He still is a kid. I remember being 17, I can't believe the stupid things I thought and said and did. I think this has been a big step in maturity, to get over all this. But some things about him are never going to change. If it turns you off, cool with me, it's your opinion. The things that most people love about Zoro are the things that turn me off about him (although I don't actually dislike him).
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If someone tells you your best friend is dying of cancer, do you walk up to him and say "well your dead, lets shoot you in the head" Even if you know it't hopeless, your gonna read every medical book and try to do everything you can to help your friend.
And I wanna try to explain Usopp's craziness with GM with an episode of Little House on the Prarie that I remember. (I like it, so sue me)
Laura is always known for having a good head on her shoulders. She is always very smart and wise. When she is grown up, and has her second child, her child suddenly passes away, even though the Dr. said he was fine a few days before.
The rational thing would be to accept it and realise that sometimes, these things happen, and get on with your life. Well, Laura just lost her baby. Her child that she carried with her for 9 months. The child she had hopes and dreams for. She went a little crazy. Though, it was not the Dr's fault, she hated the Dr. and was very awful to him. ( this Dr was her friend since she was a child herself)
Now, as said, Laura was smart. Deep down she knew it was really not the Dr.'s fault. She was emotionally distressed and couldn't help the way she felt. It was bad of her. In the end, she realizes how bad, and how stupid she has been, and forgives the Dr. and gets on with her life.
Now GM is not a person, but Usopp treated that boat as if it were his own child. He loved and cared for it emencly. Even though, Usopp was smart enough to know the truth, he was too distrressed to accept it. He instead turned his anger towards Luffy. ( the same way laura did to the Dr.) Usopp still needs to apolagise to Luffy and admit that he was wrong. The story is not over yet. I'm sure he will.
Hey, I like that not all the SH's are perfect. That's why DBZ got boring for me. Oh look it's goku, kamehameha bad guy dead. yawn
@yokaiforte: thanks for correcting my spelling. point still stands. :)
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All I have to say is Terri Schiavo.
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Yeah… it's a boat, not a baby.
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Way to miss the point. The ship was still a comrade, the ship had a soul, in the fantastic land of One Piece.
But that's what the encounter with Franky was about. Realizing that boats, unlike human beings, don't get stronger through hardships, and once they can't get its crew to the next shore, it's no longer a ship. If Usopp had this conversation with Franky before all this happened (instead of getting attacked), there wouldn't have been a fight. But then the story would have been boring. -
If later we find out the boat is really alive and with 'soul' (the Kabotterman??) the people who say Usopp is a jerk for leaving over a stupid boat are going to look a little silly because Usopp was the only one to fight for the ship while the rest gave up on this nakama and left it die.
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Methinks you missed the point as well, unfortunately. :ermm: Le sigh.
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I get the point, but I don't feel like debating this any longer.
If later we find out the boat is really alive and with 'soul' (the Kabotterman??) the people who say Usopp is a jerk for leaving over a stupid boat are going to look a little silly because Usopp was the only one to fight for the ship while the rest gave up on this nakama and left it die.
Honestly, what would you have them do? If they stayed on the damn boat they'd all be dead. It's impossible to repair, the best of the best told them so, and no matter how much of a "nakama" it is or "soul" it has doesn't change it.
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Methinks you missed the point as well, unfortunately. :ermm: Le sigh.
I saw your point. I just didn't agree with it. I actually like the fact that Usopp fought for the ship. I find it kind of sad that no one else fought for it 'cause we know it's alive and all, right? Least Usopp thinks it is. He saw the Kabotterman so I'm think he thinks its alive. If he didn't fight for the ship after knowing this what does that say about the theme of nakama?I do think it's stupid to fight over an inanimate object and put it above friends, but if the object is actually alive, I don't think it's so stupid anymore.
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@Cap'n:
I get the point, but I don't feel like debating this any longer.
Honestly, what would you have them do? If they stayed on the damn boat they'd all be dead. It's impossible to repair, the best of the best told them so, and no matter how much of a "nakama" it is or "soul" it has doesn't change it.
Well I don't know. That is a difficult question. But I do think people shouldn't call Usopp a jerk for not wanting to leave and give up on a dying friend who he feels is alive. It's perfectly understandable why Usopp would react that way. Maybe if the others of the crew had seen the Kabotterman too maybe they would react the same way stubbornly refusing to believe the ship can't be fixed, doing everything they could to fix it, and stick with that friend to the end even if it means they might die later on.
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If Usopp was right in fighting for the ship, then he would be a hypocrite to go back to the crew again.
PS - it's Klabautermann
PPS - use the edit button rather than posting twice.