That whole Luffy vs Bellamy felt forced and was terrible overall. Preskip Luffy would have beat the shit out of Bellamy from the start, friend or not.
Chapter 779: "Final Fight"
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I think, hope Dofflamangapanda will use Law to mindf#[k Luffy and us during their fight.
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That whole Luffy vs Bellamy felt forced and was terrible overall. Preskip Luffy would have beat the shit out of Bellamy from the start, friend or not.
Pre time skip luffy would never beat the shit out of a friend that was near death and was force into the stitution .
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I'll be the rare guy who didn't like the Jaya throwback in this chapter. Partly because I kind of wish Oda didn't feel the need to throwback for the sake of it. I get what he was trying to do. Same scene on the surface, something very different beneath it. But it feels very much like pandering to our nostalgia when there was no need for it. A more gritty and understated scene would have been a better fit in my eyes. There was no need to dramatize this situation so much, but I'll get to that in a moment.
Yeah, I don't get why it had to be the same move, the same position, the same fist print. While I like what happened, things feel forced a little, as you say.
I don't know, if I was trying to stop someone without killing them, I'd at least hit their head with an open palm (like how BB did with Sarkies or Marco with Squadro). I wouldn't use my Hardened knuckles. I'm amazed Bellamy's head still has a shape.
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Chapter 779: Final Fight
I am having many conflicting emotions about this chapter.
Lets start with 'star' of the show Bellamy. Why in the name of everything holy Oda made Luffy to take beating from Bellamy if Luffy was going to one shot him again anyway? It was complete out of the character scene for Luffy. This plot line took us nowhere. If anything it was just a plot device to keep Luffy away from Law. Not to mention it made Luffy look weak and pathetic(Bellamy breaking his haki).
Atleast Luffy finally snapped out of his moronic phase . Maybe I can finally hope for a better fight against Doflamingo.
That 'Law being dead' is bullshit and my 4 year old niece can tell that much. Unless Mansherry has ability to bring dead back which would be the most rediculous thing that ever happened in One Piece. I won't be able to take One Piece seriously if Oda did something like that .
This whole fake tension Oda trying to create is really sad . Oda was used to be better than that. We used to have actual realistic tension before.Oda probably take us for gullible dwarfs.
Atleast it made clear that from now Luffy alone is gonna fight Doflamingo.
Koala part was interesting. I want Oda to surprise us . I am not interested in Sabo vs Burgess 2.0 when we already know the result.
It would be too repetitive.
Maybe someone from Kiado or even CP0.
Issho finally did something even if it was too minor thing.
Mihawk flashback was nice especially no alcohol part .
That Zoro praising was forced though.
Overall Average chapter .
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Yeah, I don't get why it had to be the same move, the same position, the same fist print. While I like what happened, things feel forced a little, as you say.
I don't know, if I was trying to stop someone without killing them, I'd at least hit their head with an open palm (like how BB did with Sarkies or Marco with Squadro). I wouldn't use my Hardened knuckles. I'm amazed Bellamy's head still has a shape.
Well a open palm can be just as bad with how strong these guys suppose to be lol .
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I don't know, if I was trying to stop someone without killing them, I'd at least hit their head with an open palm (like how BB did with Sarkies or Marco with Squadro). I wouldn't use my Hardened knuckles. I'm amazed Bellamy's head still has a shape.
If one of your friends challenges you to death for a reason and you do not fight him to death or try to beat him with all your strenght then 1) you do not respect him 2) he would feel ashamed for life 3) you wuold risk your life, and maybe others (like in Luffy situation)
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Like people gets killed by getting punched in the face.
It was explicitly said that one more punch would have been fatal to him.. It was the entire point of why luffy couldn't just knock him out cold
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Chapter 779: Final Fight
If anything it was just a plot device to keep Luffy away from Law.That WAS the point. Seriously, do you think Law could have 'died' if Luffy was two-teaming with him? Taking out the one with the hax powers first is fighting strategy 101.
And I liked the parallel with Jaya, Bellamy redemption and Luffy's different reaction now and then. But hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.
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@Mex:
If one of your friends challenges you to death for a reason and you do not fight him to death or try to beat him with all your strenght then 1) you do not respect him 2) he would feel ashamed for life 3) you wuold risk your life, and maybe others (like in Luffy situation)
I'm sorry, I had an impression Luffy valued Bellamy's life more than his feelings.
Besides, slaming his head down with an open palm or drilling his knuckles into his head, the result would have probably been the same. We all know Luffy had to repeat the same attack from Jaya, which is kind of cute, but a bad throwback as far as I'm concerned.
Don't misunderstand me questioning it as me not understanding simple shounen logic you tried to explain.
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Well at least we got a real pissed off Luffy .
Now Sabo's job is to make sure Luffy gets his one on one fight.It would be also nice if Burgess tries to go after Luffy or Doflamingo.
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Last time. People choose to predict what would have happened going by 'oda patterns, we had the whole ' meadow OHKO everyone' debacle… So i m going to assume and Bellamy as dead until proven otherwise.. If they are not, we'll, it's oda..
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@The:
I'm ok with his general behavior as of late, but yeah it did have that forceful feel to it. I don't mind him hitting Bellamy, since Luffy decided there was no getting to him, and decided to take him out honorably. He probably decided that sitting around any longer would be a bad idea. The Jaya throwback is Iffy. I thought is was kind of nice to show the huge difference between them still, but the impact in Jaya was bigger because of how much of a dick he was then. Bellamy is not the terrible person he was, so having a throwback to it is slightly jarring. I would say it might contain some symbolism, but it would be half-assed at best, and contradict my stance on symbolism in shonen manga.
Agreed about the Jaya Throwback.
It's a nice touch, but this was not the fight to use a throwback in. The original OHKO punch was used to show how weak Bellamy was, and was a highly satisfying moment because Bellamy was a huge asshole. The whole point of Bellamy's return was to show his growth as a character - and to end that with the punch that signifies how weak he is, and was related to him being a jerk? It doesn't feel respectable. It's like saying that Bellamy is still pathetic, and has always been. -
I don't believe that law is dead!!
I like the little flashback of mihawk hehe
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No one will comment about Dofla's last line?
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I really doubt that.
Good guy Oda, explains why Zoro Hardened his swords so you people don't need to ask questions about it or wonder about the point of it.
Dumb guy Kyros, just let her heal your wounds so we can see if she can regenerate limbs, FFS. :getlost:
Guess there was no other way for Luffy to resolve the situation, other than to knock Bellamy out. But he's probably not dying. Otherwise Luffy would look a lot angrier.
Who in their right mind would think Bellamy would turn out like this after Jaya?Law is dead? I doubt Dofla would kill him that easilly when there's a chance his life's goal could be accomplished. Or that he would be so happy to see he's back to 0 with his immortality plan. Maybe he can make him look dead with Parasite, or he can make a string clone of Law that looks dead.
Perhaps Doflamingo is forcing weakened Law with his Parasite to do that "Immortal Operation" or he already done it? Would be hella twist
But its more likely he cut off his leg and is mocking him to stand up as he is bleeding to death. -
Perhaps Doflamingo is forcing weakened Law with his Parasite to do that "Immortal Operation" or he already done it? Would be hella twist
But its more likely he cut off his leg and is mocking him to stand up as he is bleeding to death.I doubt he can do mind control.
Otherwise, he could have done it while Law was captured in the throne room.
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@Zar:
Agreed about the Jaya Throwback.
It's a nice touch, but this was not the fight to use a throwback in. The original OHKO punch was used to show how weak Bellamy was, and was a highly satisfying moment because Bellamy was a huge asshole. The whole point of Bellamy's return was to show his growth as a character - and to end that with the punch that signifies how weak he is, and was related to him being a jerk? It doesn't feel respectable. It's like saying that Bellamy is still pathetic, and has always been.Bellamy has grow as character but he is still pathetic strength wise compare to these guys.
It's why he was force into this fight in the first place . -
can someone point out what is Nami showing Luffy in the color spread, could be the same thing Usopp show Sanji
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No one will comment about Dofla's last line?
It proves Darth's point of Doflamingo being a psychopath. He says Law is dead, then has to ask himself if Law truly is dead. Next chapter Luffy will come out and Laws head will be decapitated. He takes the head and says "alas poor Law, I knew thee well". We then find out that Law truly is the Aizen of One Piece, as he made Doflamingo think he cut his head off, but used his own power to make it come off and look like he was dead. Trebol reveals it was all according to plan, and then mansherry is revealed to be the final villain.
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@The:
It proves Darth's point of Doflamingo being a psychopath. He says Law is dead, then has to ask himself if Law truly is dead. Next chapter Luffy will come out and Laws head will be decapitated. He takes the head and says "alas poor Law, I knew thee well". We then find out that Law truly is the Aizen of One Piece, as he made Doflamingo think he cut his head off, but used his own power to make it come off and look like he was dead. Trebol reveals it was all according to plan, and then mansherry is revealed to be the final villain.
The last line don't even make sense since it's the same line as the editors note to tell the truth .
I don't ever remember the that happening but hey there is first time for everything . -
I doubt he can do mind control.
Otherwise, he could have done it while Law was captured in the throne room.
Ah yes, you are right..
No clear indication that Doflamingo wanted to get Law back at his side back then so he could have done that Parasyte thing back then.
Btw Its hilarious how bad mangapanda is lately
"DoflamNNNNNNgooooo!" lols
And "Do Amingo" here
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What if Mihawk's sword is not really black, but always haki induced to prevent it from chipping?
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@The:
It proves Darth's point of Doflamingo being a psychopath. He says Law is dead, then has to ask himself if Law truly is dead. Next chapter Luffy will come out and Laws head will be decapitated. He takes the head and says "alas poor Law, I knew thee well". We then find out that Law truly is the Aizen of One Piece, as he made Doflamingo think he cut his head off, but used his own power to make it come off and look like he was dead. Trebol reveals it was all according to plan, and then mansherry is revealed to be the final villain.
It's just the editors note, it's not Oda nor Dofla. This is similar to Luffy's flashback when they asked "will they survive?".
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I wonder how many limbs Law will have when we come back in two weeks. Actually… no, I wonder if Oda will actually let us see him again in two weeks! Wouldn't it be just grand if instead we returned to whatever was happening with Koala and Sabo? Or suddenly getting a Trebol fight just to make the wait longer? I can unfortunately see that happening after the continued teases to Law's past last year…
As for things not related to everyone's favorite sack-o-potatoes, Mihawk not letting Zoro have any alcohol until he was able to use Haki on his sword was fantastic. No wonder he learned so quickly! Also, Barto remains precious as ever! The color spread was great as well because PIZZA!
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Decent chapter this week. Got to sat the cliffhanger was awful, Law dead yeah right chance would be a fine thing. Gutted there was no cover story this week, especially since the colour spread was lackluster.
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Finally, time for the long awaited battle, Luffy vs Do Amingo! Ypppe!
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People are only seeing the similarities in the punch and are, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the reason for the punch in both cases is clearly what Oda is aiming for!!
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Finally, time for the long awaited battle, Luffy vs Do Amingo! Ypppe!
Add that to the list of nicknames for Dofla.
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People are only seeing the similarities in the punch and are, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the reason for the punch in both cases is clearly what Oda is aiming for!!
So, in Jaya he punched him because he hurt his friend and now he punched him because he is his friend and doesn't want to hurt him any more.
Not sure I follow.
Maybe they started scanlating chapters on their phones in MP.
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Great chapter, but everything I follow will be on break at the same time. This is going to be a long week :x
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Guess this chapter confirms that zoro will specialize in CoA, same it was said in SBS. But I just can't think zoro will have by far the best type of haki from the crew, luffy will stilll have better CoA.
Call it now: Law is handless. But he will still beat Trebol with his legs.
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@The:
It proves Darth's point of Doflamingo being a psychopath. He says Law is dead, then has to ask himself if Law truly is dead. Next chapter Luffy will come out and Laws head will be decapitated. He takes the head and says "alas poor Law, I knew thee well". We then find out that Law truly is the Aizen of One Piece, as he made Doflamingo think he cut his head off, but used his own power to make it come off and look like he was dead. Trebol reveals it was all according to plan, and then mansherry is revealed to be the final villain.
I was taliking about how Panda messed up.
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can someone point out what is Nami showing Luffy in the color spread, could be the same thing Usopp show Sanji
one of the flyers is lying on the ground, its about the tokyo pirate festival
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The last line don't even make sense since it's the same line as the editors note to tell the truth .
I don't ever remember the that happening but hey there is first time for everything .It's just the editors note, it's not Oda nor Dofla. This is similar to Luffy's flashback when they asked "will they survive?".
I guess I suck at making a joke post, as I was just making nonsense from the get go, just making things more ridiculous as time went on. Also because I read Bleach after One Piece this week, so tried to tie in humor from that as well…
I'll be going now.
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So, in Jaya he punched him because he hurt his friend and now he punched him because he is his friend and doesn't want to hurt him any more.
Not sure I follow.
Maybe they started scanlating chapters on their phones in MP.
In both cases he's punching because of his friend being hurt, at Jaya it was cricket and here it's Bellamy himself. Bellamy is getting hurt just by being conscious, both physically and mentally, and unfortunately for Luffy that punch is the only viable solution in Bellamy's mind.
Obviously Luffy sees the one behind Bellamy's suffering and is now headed right to him.
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Finally, time for the long awaited battle, Luffy vs Do Amingo! Ypppe!
Someone called me?
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So, in Jaya he punched him because he hurt his friend and now he punched him because he is his friend and doesn't want to hurt him any more.
Not sure I follow.
Maybe they started scanlating chapters on their phones in MP.
But luffy never hurt him in the first place and this punch was suppose to kill him .
We all know that he not going to die because how oda writes .
But from luffy point of view punching him means killing him and he only doing it because he see no other way to hold on to his pride since don forcing him to fight . -
@The:
I guess I suck at making a joke post, as I was just making nonsense from the get go, just making things more ridiculous as time went on. Also because I read Bleach after One Piece this week, so tried to tie in humor from that as well…
I'll be going now.
I honestly just read the post after posting mine. I guess it was the first to my eyes since I was gonna talk about that point anyway.
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In both cases he's punching because of his friend being hurt, at Jaya it was cricket and here it's Bellamy himself. Bellamy is getting hurt just by being conscious, both physically and mentally, and unfortunately for Luffy that punch is the only viable solution in Bellamy's mind.
Obviously Luffy sees the one behind Bellamy's suffering and is now headed right to him.
Sure, but I'm just saying, maybe go a little softer than burying his knuckles into his skull.
It's just a detail that bothers me a little. Bellamy is probably going to be fine either way, so it's of no consequnce.
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Mangapanda theme song…
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it would be nice if mensherry would heal luffy after the fight with dofla and not law as most of us anticipate
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But luffy never hurt him in the first place and this punch was suppose to kill him .
Now killing is an overkill, I don't think Luffy had that in mind.
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Sure, but I'm just saying, maybe go a little softer than burying his knuckles into his skull.
It's just a detail that bothers me a little. Bellamy is probably going to be fine either way, so it's of no consequnce.
Luffy had to keep the OHKO streak of Dressrosa going and had to make sure. :ninja:
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@uniaka:
Guess this chapter confirms that zoro will specialize in CoA, same it was said in SBS. But I just can't think zoro will have by far the best type of haki from the crew, luffy will stilll have better CoA.
Call it now: Law is handless. But he will still beat Trebol with his legs.
I dont think that Luffy now has strongest CoA in crew. Zoro might be the one. Yet Luffy specialized in CoC and its probably sort of a boost to all kinds of haki or at least to CoA I guess. There is a lot we dont yet know about it.
Would be funny to see Sanji being shown a flashback when he is disguested by Okamas and constantly avoiding them touching him when they gotten close to him and that being reason for his CoO mastery.
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To the majority of readers, Bleach and Naruto are good mangas, full of action and good plots, with interesting characters.
That is, if you want to go by the lowest common denominator.
There's a pretty big difference between buying into a cliffhanger, and your taste in manga as a whole.
Even at that, Bleach's figures have been bombing for years now.
Honestly. That's a half-hearted argument, comming from you. I'm not everybody, I'm not majority. I won't let go of this opinion of mine simply because of the volume of the people screaming "You are wrong, this is awesome".
You're making it out to be an absolutely awful cliffhanger.
In reality, it's just an obvious bit of baiting for people like us who discuss this manga to this degree.
It's nowhere near enough to ruin what was a pretty good chapter.
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But luffy never hurt him in the first place and this punch was suppose to kill him .
So you're saying Luffy actually wanted to kill Bellamy and was trying to kill him with this punch?
Sure, Bellamy wanted to die in that attack, but that doesn't mean Luffy was playing along.
But then it's a little contradicting, because Luffy used an attack that might have killed Bellamy while not trying to kill him at the same time.
And if Luffy actually went along with Bellamy and decided to give him death, then what the fuck!? -
Now killing is an overkill, I don't think Luffy had that in mind.
yeah i know but that is part of the reason why luffy so piss because all of this is happening because of don .
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The whole point of Luffy's punch to Bellamy is the profound difference from this punch and the previous one: they seem the same but have totally different meanings.
Saying it's just a random throwback is short-sighted, it had to be the same kind of punch to deliver this kind of message. (If you can't get the meanings I am not here to tell you)I think this is a great move, sad and maybe forced cause almost noone cares about Bellamy, but great (talking about literature).
The punches have opposite meanings and happens in opposite ways/situations, that's why you have opposite feelings about them.
It's all on purpose, wanted and well planned. The only weak point of all this is that, as I already said, almost noone cares about Bellamy (yet).
Yes, Oda is playing with our subconscious and he's good at it, weak minds tremble! -
Luffy had to keep the OHKO streak of Dressrosa going and had to make sure. :ninja:
Good point, can't dilly dally in this arc.
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it would be nice if mensherry would heal luffy after the fight with dofla and not law as most of us anticipate
I expect Luffy to say no to being healed by Masherry and Bellamy being the one that will get healed instead of him after Luffy asks princess for it.
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I dont understand all those breaks. This arc is becoming too big and too long. The last time we saw bellamy we got a break then niw another… Is Oda sick or something again?