Robin better learn how to use a sword fast!
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He will show how capable he is now during Wano/ Kaido arc where he will be able to fight some of top swordsmen in New World.
I guess stalling him, showing him not having tough time and keeping him occupied - all is for sake of future. Dressrosa main thing for me from perspective might be building up Luffys force in New World. We all see that he is no material for winning with Admirals/ Yonko. Maybe in future, maybe in team up with other fighters like him but on his own he is no match for winning with Yonko or Admiral IN MY OPINION.
So I guess Luffys main power will be in how many allies in all of New World he will have and how it will help him in most on conflicts.For me Luffy / Zoro and Sanji are at best material to fight with Yonko commanders. I know it might be not liked by some people but If I take Dragon as Yonko/ Admiral class fighter I would say that Sabo is around as Strong as Marco/ Jozu. So hella strong, can go exchanging blows with Admiral and survive to tell the tale. For me it would be logical to assume that M3 going against admiral can beat him or at least push him back with teamwork. Yea, beat an admiral. I said that
I also take that Sabo should be stronger atm than Luffy, not much but he still had like 2 more years of experience along with Revolutionaries forces.
I might be wrong but on paper I guess that Luffy should be as strong as Sabo thanks to his non-stop training with edge of strength still being on Sabo side with small margin.Uff I let my power-levels tgoughts go out of my system.. feeling much better
Imo the Admirals are weaker than the Yonko so it's not unreasonable that the monster trio might be able to beat one together. It seems completely possible, to me. But yeah, I guess I do need to keep Wano in mind. That'll be lots of Glory for Zoro. It's funny..until Thriller Bark, I thought Zoro was a samurai. Now I know he'll someday get to fight with or against some lol as for Luffy compared to Sabo? Too soon to be able to tell how they stack up against each other. We aren't 100% sure how strong either of them really are, so it's mostly theories at this point.
The 3 main gladiators were all superior to the others. Bartolomeo literally played around during his block and made Dellinger powerless. Chinjao tied with Cavendish when his head was still in a flat state.
Not sure who you mean by the three "main" gladiators. Bartolomeo is obviously powerful but he literally sat most of the fight out. He only KO'ed two people and his strategy relied on people not knowing what his power was. Luffy tied with Chinjao when they punched each other too, so that doesn't mean much. Somehow I don't think Cavendish intended to impale Chinjao's head either.
Not sure who you mean by the three "main" gladiators. Bartolomeo is obviously powerful but he literally sat most of the fight out. He only KO'ed two people and his strategy relied on people not knowing what his power was. Luffy tied with Chinjao when they punched each other too, so that doesn't mean much. Somehow I don't think Cavendish intended to impale Chinjao's head either.
Those 3 guys. All of them were shown to be above the rest of the Gladiators. Barto and Cabbage are sometimes treated as a duo too.
They also spent their time all going after Luffy for different reasons.
Those 3 guys. All of them were shown to be above the rest of the Gladiators. Barto and Cabbage are sometimes treated as a duo too.
They also spent their time all going after Luffy for different reasons.
Yeah, that's true. Barto and Cabbage are great foils to each other with both their personalities and fighting styles contrasting. I still think Cavendish is the strongest though, at least as Hakuba. It just seems inconceivable that two of the most powerful and entertaining characters of the colosseum would have to split screen time against only one executive, especially when someone like Hajrudin gets to beat an executive by himself.
I'm not sure Barty is objectively all that much stronger than, say, Maynard. It's hard to beat an opponent you can't actually hit, after all.
Yeah, that's true. Barto and Cabbage are great foils to each other with both their personalities and fighting styles contrasting. I still think Cavendish is the strongest though, at least as Hakuba. It just seems inconceivable that two of the most powerful and entertaining characters of the colosseum would have to split screen time against only one executive, especially when someone like Hajrudin gets to beat an executive by himself.
It would make sense if Oda were meaning to keep them around for a bigger showcase later on.
Law will defeat Trébol then. :P
Or Zorro after he beats Pica.
I mean after the timeskip Oda has been really Zorro biased.
Law will defeat Trébol then. :P
Cabbage is fresh and has all of his limbs, I'll be more fair if it's him.
It would make sense if Oda were meaning to keep them around for a bigger showcase later on.
You're right, they need something bigger.
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Or Zorro after he beats Pica.
I mean after the timeskip Oda has been really Zorro biased.
i got the same feeling. oda slowly turns into a zoro fan. the worst kind of one piece fan. :ninja:
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I just like how perfect the reference would be if Oda make all of the aces get defeated by swordsmen, I mean even Vergo the original seat of hearts got defeated by a sword!, Diamante and Pica are already facing swordsman and with Oda being the master of references, the full of spades winning against the full of aces is so happening!
Ah so that was reason for sending off Sanji If Zoro doesnt have much problem with Pica - sure fight is a drag but Zoro didnt gotten injured - then Sanji could easily take on one of Seats, just like Zoro. Maybe with tiny bit more of a struggle though but still.
Imo the Admirals are weaker than the Yonko so it's not unreasonable that the monster trio might be able to beat one together. It seems completely possible, to me. But yeah, I guess I do need to keep Wano in mind. That'll be lots of Glory for Zoro. It's funny..until Thriller Bark, I thought Zoro was a samurai. Now I know he'll someday get to fight with or against some lol as for Luffy compared to Sabo? Too soon to be able to tell how they stack up against each other. We aren't 100% sure how strong either of them really are, so it's mostly theories at this point.
I would change that to "That'll be lots of Gore for Zoro" or "That'll be Gory for Zoro"
Sabo being right hand or Revos and being 2 years older for me would point to him being somehow stronger than Luffy but who knows. It also shows that Luffy fighting with Admiral alone would have some big problems. Sabo was mostly dirty after fight with Fujitora but Fujitora looked like holding back till vertical gravity attack, Fuji had an edge on Sabo for me so..
Perhaps as harsh as Chinjaos words were Luffy might not be ready at all for Yonko/ Admiral showdown at all.
I hope that Oda doesnt plan "Naruto style" uniting pirates/ uniting villages in Naruto kind of idea. But we still didnt seen Luffy going all out, perhaps one of his gears now is such boost that he will beat Mingo to pulp(for cost of his life spam again). For now without gears being used Luffy seems to be around as fast as Doflamingo and gear 2nd boost might be critical thing to land punches on Doula Mongo.
As for punch from Bellamy Luffy had to take bit more damage before final fight- Doflamingo gotten Red Hawked and then he gotten hole in around same area- spit blood 2 times. Luffy gotten slashed by Bellamy and then CoA hardening punched in around same area - also beed from mouth 2 times.
I dont think that even 5 arc one close to another in time would give Luffy enough of growth to fight Yonko. All we seen till now from them was sick, old Whitebeard in area that he had to hold back. Kaido should be by all means monster more than anybody else that we seen till now. Law said that Kaido cant be reasoned with but Shanks stopped him from going after Whitebeard so I guess that most likely Shanks only showed resolve to fight to death to stop Kaido - that would be enough as even if Kaido would go through Shanks he wouldnt come out of it without loosing some people/ getting some wounds himself so going to Marineford weakened with weakened crew would make no sense.
Anyone really want this arc to be over with?
I think my problem is that we're seeing payoffs for sidecharacters and nothing for the straw hats besides Ussop. Can't wait till DD's dead/arrested
Anyone really want this arc to be over with?
I think my problem is that we're seeing payoffs for sidecharacters and nothing for the straw hats besides Ussop. Can't wait till DD's dead/arrested
Those side characters will be one of main reasons/ help for Luffy becoming Pirate King so we have to have it. There wont be(probably) any other arc where Luffy will get so many allies from all places around New World in one go.
Look for example at Hajrudin in One Piece- he was badass in this chapter and played role in defeating Doflamingo. I am sure we will sooner or later land on Elbaf and then meeting him again/ getting to know whole culture of gigants, maybe some short storyline with him- all of that would be awesome. I think that after dealing with Kaido/ Big Mom we will get another sort of timeskip - with time passing and us seeing journey of Strawhats visiting all kinds of places. Like without fighting Yonko after Yonko but proceeding with all sorts of adventures in part of New World that was made free of Kaido/ Big Mom - Luffy doesnt have to hurry and it would be perfect chance for him to explore New World.
I dont want race through all of Yonko in a cccccccombo. It would be lame storytelling in my opinion without giving Luffy time to really grow, not push through with dopping like gear second. Kaido and Big Mom being dealt with then timeskip in new form of journey through New World and then Blackbeard/ Final Island - One Piece + War with World Goverment.
Year, two or more of exploring and us seeing for example Elbaf, Sniper Island(lol) or some other interesting islands story would move further into facing Blackbeard, getting hands on One Piece and then fight with Goverment to change how things are.
Or Zorro after he beats Pica.
I mean after the timeskip Oda has been really Zorro biased.
How exactly? He struggled against Dragon, get blown off by cool brothers, defeat Monet easily, crushed by Fujitora.
How exactly? He struggled against Dragon, get blown off by cool brothers, defeat Monet easily, crushed by Fujitora.
Has yet to be injured…
Has yet to be injured…
Not true. I will not have you dissing my man Fujitora, who made Zoro bleed with casual attack.
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Though mind you, I despise his smug badass persona. And would be all for him bleeding a lot more. Like Mr. 1 fight.
He bled against Fujitora like any SH would.
Against Fuji he bleed from mouth.
Not true. I will not have you dissing my man Fujitora, who made Zoro bleed with casual attack.
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Though mind you, I despise his smug badass persona. And would be all for him bleeding a lot more. Like Mr. 1 fight.
Well I admit my mistake, though he has yet to be injured in one of the fights that actually had a winner.
I think Zoro he lucky so far, He hasn't met the kind of adversary Sanji and Luffy have encountered.
Though mind you, I despise his smug badass persona. And would be all for him bleeding a lot more. Like Mr. 1 fight.
In Wano Samurais were said to be so strong that country is separated from WG. That means many reasons for Zoro to fight and bleed especially if some of top Samurais of Wano will challenge Zoro to duel for sword as Kinemon already tried to.
In Wano Samurais were said to be so strong that country is separated from WG. That means many reasons for Zoro to fight and bleed especially if some of top Samurais of Wano will challenge Zoro to duel for sword as Kinemon already tried to.
There is some hope in that, altough it's one of those things I don't trust Oda with anymore.
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I think Zoro he lucky so far, He hasn't met the kind of adversary Sanji and Luffy have encountered.
I dislike concept of luck in storytelling. It basicaly means author doing whatever without proper justification.
And if luck in terms of opponents is as prominent as you say, then it's not luck anymore, it's favoritism.
Oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!
One could argue that Oda prefers Sanji with some kind of tough love logic.
I dislike concept of luck in storytelling. It basicaly means author doing whatever without proper justification.
And if luck in terms of opponents is as prominent as you say, then it's not luck anymore, it's favoritism.
Looking at the way the story developed, it's harsh to call it favoritism. Sanji was the only logical person to go against Vergo because he could use skywalk to return, Zoro would have need to cut the door which will be counter productive.
Again Sanji the only logical one to go to Sunny- Go and face Mingo, because Oda doesn't want Skywalk available to the SHs when the Palace moved. It would have make getting to level 4 trivial.
I think Zoro he lucky so far, He hasn't met the kind of adversary Sanji and Luffy have encountered.
I would love to see something like Zoro vs Vergo but it didnt happened on PH so it wont happen. Mingos right hand man and Luffys would be cool imo.
Also this weeks chapter changed a bit perspective for me on Sanji vs Vergo. I mean Hajrudin pulled a win with shattering many bones in his body, even before this weeks scene Machvise surely cracked a lot of bones in gigant but he still managed to win and I remember how It was such a big deal for me when Sanji gotten one crack in thinnest bones of his leg.. Also when I looked back at his face when he said that "fight was close and if it continued I wouldve… " looking at his face it wasnt face of pain but more of disgust or thinking about doing something risky/regrettable http://bato.to/read/_/132664/one-piece_ch682_by_mangarule/5 so perhaps he has some "okama" finishers or some more advanced Diable Jambe that puts a lot of strain on him I would guess. Something he would want to avoid using, I dont think he thought about flat out loosing there.. or he was
Oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!oi!
One could argue that Oda prefers Sanji with some kind of tough love logic.
16 characters of He sure Does !
Looking at the way the story developed, it's harsh to call it favoritism. Sanji was the only logical person to go against Vergo because he could use skywalk to return, Zoro would have need to cut the door which will be counter productive.
Again Sanji the only logical one to go to Sunny- Go and face Mingo, because Oda doesn't want Skywalk available to the SHs when the Palace moved. It would have make getting to level 4 trivial.
… You do realize that it isn't a recent thing, right? When was the last time Zoro lost without having a handicapp and being absolutly spent from earlier fights? When Enel fried his ass? And even then, we are talking about one of the most powerful logias to date versus a guy with no Haki.
Looking at the way the story developed, it's harsh to call it favoritism. Sanji was the only logical person to go against Vergo because he could use skywalk to return, Zoro would have need to cut the door which will be counter productive.
Again Sanji the only logical one to go to Sunny- Go and face Mingo, because Oda doesn't want Skywalk available to the SHs when the Palace moved. It would have make getting to level 4 trivial.
Also Sanji is 3rd in monster trio and at Punk Hazard we had almost no idea how M3 would do against some really strong guy so 3rd strawhat was put against New World Marine Base Commander and did pretty well(beside underestimating Vergo - keeping hands in pocket, to finishing off Vergo when he was pushed inside of metal wall, tanking kick instead of avoiding and countering).
All that shown that Sanji should have chances in fighting and winning with some Yonko commander imo Vergo was all kinds of monster if he uses fullbody CoA since like 13 years ago and is hinted to be Doffys top guy above Seats.
Why can't Robin get a proper fight? It would be awesome for her to have her first 1v1 fight in the SERIES. It's time to see her powers against big guy like Trebol.
Also, regarding some people hating the lack of focus and tension in some fights. It's the new world and only chaos is allowed.
It would be awesome for her to have her first 1v1 fight in the SERIES.
Robin vs. Yama was a thing.
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Robin vs. Yama was a thing.
Whoops forgot about that. That was a long time ago geesh, manga wise 2002/03. Another one would be nice.
… You do realize that it isn't a recent thing, right? When was the last time Zoro lost without having a handicapp and being absolutly spent from earlier fights? When Enel fried his ass? And even then, we are talking about one of the most powerful logias to date versus a guy with no Haki.
Did you read TB and the first part of Sabaody?
Did you read TB and the first part of Sabaody?
Aye. That's why I said without handicapp and being spent. Assumming you are talking about his loses to Kuma and Kizaru.
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Those side characters will be one of main reasons/ help for Luffy becoming Pirate King so we have to have it. There wont be(probably) any other arc where Luffy will get so many allies from all places around New World in one go.
Look for example at Hajrudin in One Piece- he was badass in this chapter and played role in defeating Doflamingo. I am sure we will sooner or later land on Elbaf and then meeting him again/ getting to know whole culture of gigants, maybe some short storyline with him- all of that would be awesome. I think that after dealing with Kaido/ Big Mom we will get another sort of timeskip - with time passing and us seeing journey of Strawhats visiting all kinds of places. Like without fighting Yonko after Yonko but proceeding with all sorts of adventures in part of New World that was made free of Kaido/ Big Mom - Luffy doesnt have to hurry and it would be perfect chance for him to explore New World.I dont want race through all of Yonko in a cccccccombo. It would be lame storytelling in my opinion without giving Luffy time to really grow, not push through with dopping like gear second. Kaido and Big Mom being dealt with then timeskip in new form of journey through New World and then Blackbeard/ Final Island - One Piece + War with World Goverment.
Year, two or more of exploring and us seeing for example Elbaf, Sniper Island(lol) or some other interesting islands story would move further into facing Blackbeard, getting hands on One Piece and then fight with Goverment to change how things are.
That's what the 2 years training were for, plus the experience he gains fighting overwhelming opponent like he always did; don't forget that the first half all of those adventures and islands were done in less than six months. I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy finds One Piece in less than a year from when he first arrived in the new world.
I think he should at least beat Roger's record of conquering the Grandline in 3 years.
That's what the 2 years training were for, plus the experience he gains fighting overwhelming opponent like he always did; don't forget that the first half all of those adventures and islands were done in less than six months. I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy finds One Piece in less than a year from when he first arrived in the new world.
I think he should at least beat Roger's record of conquering the Grandline in 3 years.
And I think he should not. Roger was rookie at times when Brook was with his crew, its not like he breezed through from start of piracy to conquering stuff in that short amount of time.. I mean it is not like he conquered it being kid, Luffy is making himself known pirate but for now Big Mom for example needed a moment to remember who Luffy is, now world will know after he will take out Doflamingo(most likely). He will gather shitload of allies and similar amount of enemies I think.
Luffy surely was fast to get to Shabaody just to acknowledge he lacks power and experience to face New World. Sure thing he managed to beat 1 on 1 likes of Crocodile who was most likely many times stronger than Luffy when they fought for first time but here we are talking about Pirates with decades of being on top and fighting. Look at Moria - what Luffy did was to beat broken Moria that was a shadow of his former self.. and still it gave Luffy so much problems, I dont think that it will be so easy to get through New World as it was with first ocean, I hope it wont be.
Training was for Luffy to go through New World without same cost and struggle he had at first ocean- almost every time he was on verge of death after fighting Big Bad of an arc, few times pure luck saved him and NW is more dangerous than first part of New World.
Luffy now should be around as strong as Ace was at momenth of death, so I would say that top Whitebeard commander level while doesnt sound bad, doesnt sound like he can take on Yonko and hope to win alone.
Thats why Oda came up with Alliances with other Supernovas teaming up to take on Yonko and thats why Luffy gathers allies of all sorts starting at first real island of New World.
I have kind of an appreciation for Robin vs. Hammond, which was really just about as much of a "fight" as any other Fishman Island battle. She probably COULD'VE taken an officer though.
Aye. That's why I said without handicapp and being spent. Assumming you are talking about his loses to Kuma and Kizaru.
I'm not talking about Kuma, he was beaten by Oz like the rest of the crew. And Kaku put a lot of damage on him.
They is no favoritism or anything, it's simple, Zoro is stronger than Luffy and Sanji :ninja:
well zoro needs to be stronger so that he can protect luffy
his master, his captain
Luffy now should be around as strong as Ace was at momenth of death, so I would say that top Whitebeard commander level while doesnt sound bad, doesnt sound like he can take on Yonko and hope to win alone.
Thats why Oda came up with Alliances with other Supernovas teaming up to take on Yonko and thats why Luffy gathers allies of all sorts starting at first real island of New World.
It seems like Oda is preparing every strawhats having his own crew, like every yonkou with his fleet captains (Shanks is an exception). For example Usopp with tontattas and giants, Luffy with Happou navy, Zoro now with Olumbus…
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Training was for Luffy to go through New World without same cost and struggle he had at first ocean- almost every time he was on verge of death after fighting Big Bad of an arc, few times pure luck saved him and NW is more dangerous than first part of New World.
Luffy now should be around as strong as Ace was at momenth of death, so I would say that top Whitebeard commander level while doesnt sound bad, doesnt sound like he can take on Yonko and hope to win alone.
Thats why Oda came up with Alliances with other Supernovas teaming up to take on Yonko and thats why Luffy gathers allies of all sorts starting at first real island of New World.
I don't think we are gonna have another timeskip from now until the end of the last battle of the series. For this reason, I think Luffy will never be a Yonko level strength wise. His battles are gonna be near death experiences sooner or later, especially when he faces Blackbeard and/or Akainu. He will fight them alone though, but we already know that.
Luffy gathers allies not even knowing what he is actually accomplishing. If Luffy has a goal, the support he gets from his allies is always a bonus for him due to his naive and stubborn nature. The problems his allies, family and friends are encounter with bad guys only strengthens his will to fight them. This in result is what triggers Luffy to become stronger than usual and defeat Crocodile and Lucci in such conditions. In a lot of recent fights, it's a flashback/memory, emotion or mantra of 'I will be the Pirate King' that makes him willing to take down THREE admirals at the same time. Consequently, his adrenaline – to be more scientific :p -- allows him to be at that level that he usually is not at.
I don't think we are gonna have another timeskip from now until the end of the last battle of the series. For this reason, I think Luffy will never be a Yonko level strength wise. His battles are gonna be near death experiences sooner or later, especially when he faces Blackbeard and/or Akainu. He will fight them alone though, but we already know that.
Luffy gathers allies not even knowing what he is actually accomplishing. If Luffy has a goal, the support he gets from his allies is always a bonus for him due to his naive and stubborn nature. The problems his allies, family and friends are encounter with bad guys only strengthens his will to fight them. This in result is what triggers Luffy to become stronger than usual and defeat Crocodile and Lucci in such conditions. In a lot of recent fights, it's a flashback/memory, emotion or mantra of 'I will be the Pirate King' that makes him willing to take down THREE admirals at the same time. Consequently, his adrenaline – to be more scientific :p -- allows him to be at that level that he usually is not at.
I think that Sabo will take care of Akainu during last Battle and Luffys enemy will be most likely Blackbeard.
As for Luffys "strength" at end of One Piece.. Would feel weird if he becomes King of Pirates not thanks to his strength and proving himself as top pirate but thanks to amount of firends he made. I would not like that.
It would make admirals and Yonko something that Luffy wasnt capable of gettin "on level with". I mean I know that fighting isnt main thing but same as I want Zoro to beat Mihawk I expect Luffy will have even more of power so he gets his to goal by 100%.
I think that Sabo will take care of Akainu during last Battle and Luffys enemy will be most likely Blackbeard.
As for Luffys "strength" at end of One Piece.. Would feel weird if he becomes King of Pirates not thanks to his strength and proving himself as top pirate but thanks to amount of firends he made. I would not like that.
It would make admirals and Yonko something that Luffy wasnt capable of gettin "on level with". I mean I know that fighting isnt main thing but same as I want Zoro to beat Mihawk I expect Luffy will have even more of power so he gets his to goal by 100%.
Sabo taking care of Akainu? I haven't heard of that before. The premise is good though. The failing fire fruit winning against the obviously more powerful magma fruit. I don't know if Sabo's revenge against Akainu is that high though, but his fight would be something special. However what's it for Dragon, who does he fight the Gorosei???
As for the strength, Mihawk has mentioned the most dangerous thing about Luffy is his ability to basically make allies. There is a reason why Conqueror's Haki is so important to the story. It's way more than just strength, and I believe that is how Roger fought. We don't know his strength at all except that he nearly killed himself so many times fighting Garp, but he had something more than just physical strength. Luffy will be the same.
Asgard was a land of gods. It's probably part of One Piece's mythology.
Heck, Enel has a move that references Thor and a bunch of other deities. There's also a tribe of Satan worshippers and "hell" is commonly used.
I think you're just overthinking things.
Overthinking? when Oda introduces a character's backstory where he says "my dream is to become the KING OF GIANTS?" Really? This guy in two pages became an important character for Elbaf arc. He was nothing two chapters ago.
At the end of this arc Law will attach the giants good arm and good leg to the thousand sunny and just kill him.
Overthinking? when Oda introduces a character's backstory where he says "my dream is to become the KING OF GIANTS?" Really? This guy in two pages became an important character for Elbaf arc. He was nothing two chapters ago.
You're mixing up arguments that have nothing to do with each other.
He told Machvise to fly to the land of the gods when uppercutting him. So yeah, he pretty much told Machvise the Elbaf equivalent of go to hell.
It's like when Fujitora uses his gravity holes to "send people to hell" because they're going underground.
His dream to be king had nothing to do with that figure of speech.
Sabo taking care of Akainu? I haven't heard of that before. The premise is good though. The failing fire fruit winning against the obviously more powerful magma fruit. I don't know if Sabo's revenge against Akainu is that high though, but his fight would be something special. However what's it for Dragon, who does he fight the Gorosei???
As for the strength, Mihawk has mentioned the most dangerous thing about Luffy is his ability to basically make allies. There is a reason why Conqueror's Haki is so important to the story. It's way more than just strength, and I believe that is how Roger fought. We don't know his strength at all except that he nearly killed himself so many times fighting Garp, but he had something more than just physical strength. Luffy will be the same.
He also was said to be only person that fought to draw whit Whitebeard at his prime.
So he was surely monster among monsters.
Another example of how strong Roger was is that two admiral-level fighters were needed to capture Shiki while Roger was still hinted to be stronger one than Shiki..
Roger had to be real powerhouse.
The next few chapters are gonna show us what the pirates allied to the strawhats are worth, Hajrudin is still a rookie so he has a lot of room for improvement. The entire crew has a strong attachment to elbaf since they met Dorry and broggy on little garden and sogeking made a bond with oimo and kaishi on denies lobby.
The plan to take on kaidou will be more feasible with happou navy and yonta Maria fleet aiding them. I also suspect that Drake (with Caribou)and Urouge Will antagonize them initially but aid them as the story progresses.