I know that it wasn't a shokugeki. I was talking about what Gin said about the shokugeki's rule and the possibility of an "undecided match".
My fear is that even though another match should happen in those cases, most of the time it won't and the "conflict" between the 2 cooks will stop with that "undecided match". That's the scenario I can see now regarding Takumi's way of getting his knife back while Souma remain "undefeated".
Food Wars - It's In the Trash
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I know that it wasn't a shokugeki. I was talking about what Gin said about the shokugeki's rule and the possibility of an "undecided match".
My fear is that even though another match should happen in those cases, most of the time it won't and the "conflict" between the 2 cooks will stop with that "undecided match". That's the scenario I can see now regarding Takumi's way of getting his knife back while Souma remain "undefeated".…wait, how do you believe that undecided matches will result in easy-out, everyones-a-winner type scenarios? The results would simply be delayed until a later time, as stipulated in the chapter.
I'm having trouble figuring out how an undecided/tie match would get Takumi his mezzaluna back. -
@Purple:
"…I'm getting the feeling I shouldn't be in the middle?"
Pretty much like that.
This match could be named the duel between the bad the good and the "ugly" (Hayama).
The only thing I didn't like it much was Sonoka's foddgasm. But the other one was good.
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…wait, how do you believe that undecided matches will result in easy-out, everyones-a-winner type scenarios? The results would simply be delayed until a later time, as stipulated in the chapter.
As I said, it's just a little worry right now. It could definitely not happen but I just have this feeling that in case of "undecided match" the author will rarely go the immediate "rematch" route because that would drag the conflict. Thus, scenario where the 2 cooks would decide to agree not to go farther could happen instead.
In my Takumi example, that kind of scenario could go like that : The result is undecided but Souma decides to give him his knife back anyway for some reason like "I want to face you next time with everything you got and the knife is part of it".
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As I said, it's just a little worry right now. It could definitely not happen but I just have this feeling that in case of "undecided match" the author will rarely go the immediate "rematch" route because that would drag the conflict. Thus, scenario where the 2 cooks would decide to agree not to go farther could happen instead.
In my Takumi example, that kind of scenario could go like that : The result is undecided but Souma decides to give him his knife back anyway for some reason like "I want to face you next time with everything you got and the knife is part of it".
Again, that's just a little worry I have right now.How are we sure one can agree to not go any further? Can anyone withdraw from Shokugeki?
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That's why I said "the 2 cooks". I don't see why the shokugeki comitee would force the 2 cooks to do their rematch if they both agree not to do it because they think that the "undecided match" was enough to resolve their current "conflict".
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That's why I said "the 2 cooks". I don't see why the shokugeki comitee would force the 2 cooks to do their rematch if they both agree not to do it because they think that the "undecided match" was enough to resolve their current "conflict".
How does undecided match resolve anything? How would that be in character with established personalities of… anyone, really?
For your scenario to happen, the series would've to sink below Bleach and Naruto in terms of writing. Come on, man, even I am not that negative.
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So whenever Gin is in the story, should we expect something interesting? The guy has the authority to make things happen.
Maybe part of him wants this three way battle to take place because he wants to challenge his friend's son.
EDIT: I like the outcome. Not only does it build up our anticipation as readers but it also means there is more anticipation in the story for this final round. First time in the history of the autumn election that there is a 3 way final. I think we can look forward to some big names being in attendance because of the hype. Maybe important new faces will be introduced? Former seats or possibly even a glimpse of a current seat. Looking forward to it.
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(if this isn't obvious, it's being added to the english weekly shonen jump)
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Awesome ! Another good reason to subscribe to Viz ESJ for those who didn't.
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Awesome ! Another good reason to subscribe to Viz ESJ for those who didn't.
The day they will let, I will do it.
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If you have an Android device, it's easy to do it even if your region is not covered. That's what I did.
Apple is a little more complicated (there's a tuto somewhere in the HxH thread).
Windows Phone… nothing you can do about it. -
That's why I said "the 2 cooks". I don't see why the shokugeki comitee would force the 2 cooks to do their rematch if they both agree not to do it because they think that the "undecided match" was enough to resolve their current "conflict".
The point of a shokugeki though is that there are stakes involved. It isn't just a cooking match, both sides have to have a stake in winning. That being said, they shouldn't want to back down because they know there's a stake in it for them, and if they do that's unfair to their opponent, since it would imply that they're backing down for fear that if they try again they might lose. It makes sense that once you've made the commitment to have a shokugeki, backing down isn't an option (Or at least, would count as an automatic loss)
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Maybe you're all right and my worry is unfounded. Still, IMO that rule can allow such kind of "cheesy" scenario to happen.
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Maybe you're all right and my worry is unfounded. Still, IMO that rule can allow such kind of "cheesy" scenario to happen.
We'll see if it ever happens. Meanwhile, I will remain doubtful that Takumi will "beat" Souma for the knife even though I want to.I don't see why it couldn't happen. Though that said, I'm not sure what Soma would want from Takumi, so it might not end up being an official shokugeki
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The point of a shokugeki though is that there are stakes involved. It isn't just a cooking match, both sides have to have a stake in winning. That being said, they shouldn't want to back down because they know there's a stake in it for them, and if they do that's unfair to their opponent, since it would imply that they're backing down for fear that if they try again they might lose. It makes sense that once you've made the commitment to have a shokugeki, backing down isn't an option (Or at least, would count as an automatic loss)
I agree. If a Shokugeki was agreed upon but both parties accept a draw then what does that say about their resolve and what they wagered. Two characters that don't have the want to win or be "polished" in this school, I would not want to read about their Shokugeki.
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If you have an Android device, it's easy to do it even if your region is not covered. That's what I did.
Apple is a little more complicated (there's a tuto somewhere in the HxH thread).
Windows Phone… nothing you can do about it.I don't currently own any beyond my phone. And that one is useless for reading anything. Too small screen, I just can't do it in confortable way.
Neither do I plan on buying any, since upgrading my PCs takes priority.
More importantly, I shouldn't have to do it.
I'm boycotting them.
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Rereading some of the election arc. Every time I see Kurokiba put on his headband after being dull, that Pantera song from
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You're boycotting them because they don't have the right to publish in you country ? That's a strange reason…
Last thing about the "undecided match" rule and I'll stop there : not every shokugeki have huge stakes, so I don't see why the 2 cooks settling on that decision should be unexpected. Maybe testing each other dishes could be enough for them to realize that challenge had no point.
I think I spoke too much on something that may never happen. We'll see what the author will do when that rule has to be used. -
Frankly I didn't know that someone could "boycott" something that "isn't sold in a particular location"
That said I do kinda understand that sort of sentiment that "hey Viz, if you want these people to actually read, then give them a medium other than just technicalities via phone!"
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You're boycotting them because they don't have the right to publish in you country ? That's a strange reason…
No, on principle.
If people were to give in, and actually support the system that region-locks digital content by giving them money while it's technicaly unavailable to them, then that just validates that thinking. Which is stupid and anti-consumer.
Every other branch of entertainment has managed to go around it, so can they.
And for fucks sake, how is having those online any different from ordering a physical copy from US in terms of publishing? Are we pretending that international shipping does not exists?
Last thing about the "undecided match" rule and I'll stop there : not every shokugeki have huge stakes, so I don't see why the 2 cooks settling on that decision should be unexpected. Maybe testing each other dishes could be enough for them to realize that challenge had no point.
If that was the case, why would Shokugeki happen in the first place?
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If only we had manga steam.
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Well, I don't agree with that "principle". What would be the point of selling exclusivity rights to a publisher if an alternate source was accessible in the same country ?
Anyway, I wonder if Casanova will drop this manga. I hope not for those who really can't get access to ESJ.
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Well, I don't agree with that "principle". What would be the point of selling exclusivity rights to a publisher if an alternate source was accessible in the same country ?
I'm sorry, are you a manga publisher? Because if you are not, then I don't understand why would you be for exclusivity in the first place. It benefits neither creators nor the consumers.
I can still buy games off Steam, even though they are publishers for it in my country. I can buy books in english, in the same bookshop I can buy their regional edition.
There exists no digital distribution system for most of the europe, much less my country. If there are exclusive deals for digital distribution other than the one for Viz, then I have never heard of it, and the system is not in place. Therefore I am to assume that Shueisha sold the exclusivity right to someone in every country, and only Viz capitalize on them?
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No, on principle.
If people were to give in, and actually support the system that region-locks digital content by giving them money while it's technicaly unavailable to them, then that just validates that thinking. Which is stupid and anti-consumer.
Every other branch of entertainment has managed to go around it, so can they.
And for fucks sake, how is having those online any different from ordering a physical copy from US in terms of publishing? Are we pretending that international shipping does not exists?
If that was the case, why would Shokugeki happen in the first place?
I really don't think you understand how international licensing works, because Viz literally can't do anything outside of where they have rights. Shueisha is also powerless if they've already given distribution rights to someone else. The difference is that when you import, you're going through a third party. In this case, Viz or shueisha would be selling it directly to consumers, which isn't legal if someone else has distribution rights there. It isn't a matter of what they want, it's purely a legal issue and those can get very, very messy, especially if the original contract had room for interpretation
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If there are exclusive deals for digital distribution other than the one for Viz, then I have never heard of it, and the system is not in place.
In France, digital distribution exists. And it's handled by each publisher. For example, Kazé.
The problem in France is that there are too many publishers to do a French SJ.
On a on-topic note, here's the cover for the second novel.
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I'm sorry, are you a manga publisher? Because if you are not, then I don't understand why would you be for exclusivity in the first place. It benefits neither creators nor the consumers.
I can still buy games off Steam, even though they are publishers for it in my country. I can buy books in english, in the same bookshop I can buy their regional edition.
There exists no digital distribution system for most of the europe, much less my country. If there are exclusive deals for digital distribution other than the one for Viz, then I have never heard of it, and the system is not in place. Therefore I am to assume that Shueisha sold the exclusivity right to someone in every country, and only Viz capitalize on them?
Depends on the country, but most of these deals were made before digital distribution became big, which means they would never have singled it out in a contract. So unless the contract specifically said they could only distribute it in print or something, then yeah the publisher has the rights. There are countries where this isn't the case. For example, South Africa had no publishers which is probably why Viz can distribute english shonen jump there without any issues. Weren't you from Poland Darth? Because I can tell you right now that somebody there holds the licensing rights to the manga
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I don't currently own any beyond my phone. And that one is useless for reading anything. Too small screen, I just can't do it in confortable way.
Neither do I plan on buying any, since upgrading my PCs takes priority.
More importantly, I shouldn't have to do it.
I'm boycotting them.
You can easily emulate Android via Bluestacks on any notebook/PC. You don't even need a smartphone or Android tablet to get access to ESJ via the Android workaround
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Because I can tell you right now that somebody there holds the licensing rights to the manga
I know that. I also own polish volumes.
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You can easily emulate Android via Bluestacks on any notebook/PC. You don't even need a smartphone or Android tablet to get access to ESJ via the Android workaround
This possibility has been discussed on some other occasion, and it does not work in countries without native acces to ESJ.
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It's also worth noting that even if a publisher shouldn't really have rights to certain things, as long as they assert the rights to something and the contract has the leeway for it, it's still an incredibly annoying mess to fix as seen in the case of harmony gold and macross
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I know that. I also own polish volumes.
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This possibility has been discussed on some other occasion, and it does not work in countries without native acces to ESJ.
You are wrong. I tested bluestacks on my notebook and the android workaround solution for the weekly shonen jump apk just worked fine (germany and switzerland!!! but in germany you have to alter your ip )
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I really don't think you understand how international licensing works, because Viz literally can't do anything outside of where they have rights. Shueisha is also powerless if they've already given distribution rights to someone else. The difference is that when you import, you're going through a third party. In this case, Viz or shueisha would be selling it directly to consumers, which isn't legal if someone else has distribution rights there. It isn't a matter of what they want, it's purely a legal issue and those can get very, very messy, especially if the original contract had room for interpretation
I will say again, it is a problem affecting Manga/Anime industry, and those only.
I do admit to not having proper legal background, but from purely logical standpoint it doesn't make any sense. There isn't even direct competition in that regard, because majority of countries publish Volumes, and not single chapters, or rather issues of the magazine. There is not crossing of markets here, we are talking about two completly unrelated things.
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You are wrong. I tested bluestacks on my notebook and the android workaround solution for the weekly shonen jump apk just worked fine (germany and switzerland!!! but in germany you have to alter your ip )
I will look into it. For now, it looks like a lot of busy work to get a service that I still need to pay for. For which, least we forget, I also have a lot of free alternatives.
But anyway, let's end off-topic discussion anyway.
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The day they will let, I will do it.
Android device
Download Amazon app store
Buy it throguh Amazon.com
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Oh Darth, always so controvertial.
Te-he.
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I hope someday the novels are translated in some form or another, or at least someone out there gives a good summary of them.
Also, yes to Food Wars in SJA!
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And we finally get an anime in 2015. I am really curious about the studio, it could potentially be anything.
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Production IG / WIT Studio would be my choice (especially after watching the cooking contest in one of the SnK OAV).
If they plan to reach the end of the current arc, I hope the format is at least 3-cour.
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Fuck yeah. FUCK YEAH.
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The ridiculous reactions could really make this a hilarious anime. Can't wait for the stand battle.
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I hope they get a really good music/sound for it. I don't feel like the anime will impress with fancy animation I mean there isn't even a need for it since the manga isn't very movement centric anyway. So I hope they put strong emphasis on the sound/music to create stronger impact.
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It would be pretty funny if the anime has crappy animation throughout until foodgasms and Ping Pong where suddenly it's movie tier animation and super smooth.
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It would be pretty funny if the anime has crappy animation throughout until foodgasms and Ping Pong where suddenly it's movie tier animation and super smooth.
Is Shokugeki no Souma a Ping Pong manga?
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@Purple:
Is Shokugeki no Souma a Ping Pong manga?
I think you mean to ask if Shokugeki no Souma is a「Ping Pong」manga.
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Is Shokugeki no Souma is a「Ping Pong」manga?
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I finally caught up to this series. I really like it. I was concerned at first since I heard it's from a former hentai artist and some of the scenes are a little "racy," but it's not as bad as I thought it'd be (although it did get a little more ecchi in the latest chapters). I was hoping I'd catch up before the anime announcement, but I spent too much time reading this thread as I went along:ninja:
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@Purple:
Is Shokugeki no Souma is a「Ping Pong」manga?
Shokugeki no Souma is a…
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So what are you watching?
Shougeki no Soma, its a cooking anime
*queue foodgasm scene
Why is there an eel wrapped around that naked girl's body?
I-iits a metaphor, its about cooking…mostly
Can you please not watch hentai in the living room?
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First look at the anime character designs:
They look to be pretty similar to the manga designs so far.
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Eru's short spoiler taken from 2ch:
! Senzaemon makes the three-way final a realityThe theme is an aromatic seafood dish that the masses are familiar with (so basically, just mix the specialties of the finalists)
! Souma goes with Megumi to a fish marketPic announcing the anime in Shuisha's Comics News Magazzine:
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I was thinking about starting this manga. Is it recommendable?
(excuse my English)