I like the manga better because of the faster pace and the art is better drawn in the manga,
One Piece Anime or Manga : What do you prefer and why
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Manga, the anime is getting worse and worse so I mostly dropped it in the war(I watch some stuff once occasionaly).
The cartoony sound effects annoy me and the shittier and shittier art as time progresses just bothers me too much nowdays since I don't understand why since One Piece is a ratings and cash cow, I also dislike how they alter shit and make little things like Hody not having a chance in the manga look like he actually hurt Luffy pretty bad in the anime(yes a friend sent me the battle pissed at that), basicly this is why I hate the anime.
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This doesn't even have to be a question. I'd say asking "Why do you prefer the manga?" would be better, but even that is obvious.
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I prefer manga and the reason being quite simple, anime is not able to cover all the aspect of storyline or character line.
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Eh, I like both, though more of the earlier years of the anime since the animation has somewhat of a nostalgic feel to it. Stopped watching the anime around the time Foxy showed his ugly face.:getlost:
I prefer the manga for the same reasons as cpuguy.
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I agree with cpuguy18, the artwork is so much better in the manga and they really messed up robins face during her 2years training ( in the anime )lol
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I have always watched the anime and the manga at the same pace.
The anime in One Piece has become so shitty it forced me to go ahead and read the manga in advance for the first time in my life…
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Anime just so I don't have to read as much. Btw, I couldn't make a thread for some reason so I'm just gonna ask here. If Shanks and Buggy were in Roger's Crew. Shouldn't they know where the One Piece is? And if they do… why don't they just obtain it, I don't understand lol. I understand Shanks may not care about the One Piece just like Whitebeard doesn't, but we all know Buggy's character...
This was a huge mind blowing thought that came to me lol
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Anime just so I don't have to read as much.
What? If you're caught up to the anime, you're reading the same amount (if not more, due to filler dialogue) as you would if you're reading the manga, unless you know Japanese.
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@Galaxy:
What? If you're caught up to the anime, you're reading the same amount (if not more, due to filler dialogue) as you would if you're reading the manga, unless you know Japanese.
Yes I understand that, I don't know, I just like video better than actual readings. It's like saying reading a book as opposed to watching a movie based on a book. Obviously people find reading the book is better, but the movie is just more convenient XD. I do both, read the manga and watch the anime. There are some things that the anime messes up sometimes, but I still prefer the anime (recently it's been getting a bit worse though)
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I prefer manga, because I have little time.
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The manga is much more enjoyable and true to the storyline, however, the anime can do something the manga never can do, and that is display badass action scene. When the straw hats took down all the members of the cp9, that was truly epic in the anime. The fight scenes were long and full of pure action. However, ever since then, the straw hats haven't hard an all out brawl. Hordy jones was a joke, he was 1 hit KO'd by Zoro UNDERWATER. Ceasar clown was not a fight as he was pretty much 1 hit KO'd aswell. The manga hasn't given the anime a chance to display all out brawls for years now. Until then, I won't say the anime has gone down hill.
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Yes I understand that, I don't know, I just like video better than actual readings. It's like saying reading a book as opposed to watching a movie based on a book. Obviously people find reading the book is better, but the movie is just more convenient XD. I do both, read the manga and watch the anime. There are some things that the anime messes up sometimes, but I still prefer the anime (recently it's been getting a bit worse though)
It should take a person maybe…3 minutes tops to finish a chapter of manga.
It will take you the same 20 minutes or so to watch the anime, which will cover less content than one chapter or at most one chapter.Tell me which is more convenient.
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@Monkey:
It should take a person maybe…3 minutes tops to finish a chapter of manga.
It will take you the same 20 minutes or so to watch the anime, which will cover less content than one chapter or at most one chapter.Tell me which is more convenient.
It's very understandable, but the nature of manga doesn't allow you to feel emotion with the characters.
Viewing the anime is almost like you're watching in first person. You're pretty much witnessing everything unfold. Tell me, what's more emotional? Reading that children are asking Nami to save them in one picture, and the next picture have tears in their eyes on a picture that is only two inches in black in white, or watch the anime that let's you hear the screams and the cries that the children make, listen to the child beg and plead to be saved on the top of her lungs, while tears are flowing off her face in 1080p with vibrant colors.
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It's very understandable, but the nature of manga doesn't allow you to feel emotion with the characters.
No that's a personal problem of yours loll.
Seriously wtf, are you telling me that you don't believe that books and manga are capable of communicating emotions??
Are you like illiterate or something? This is seriously some insane talk. Even little kids first learning how to read know better than this.Viewing the anime is almost like you're watching in first person.
ahaha what the hell. You ARE insane. Anime and manga are not POV experiences, they use the same basic language of visuals. With framing and shots and angles and those sorts of things. That cinema language like "close-up", "zoom in" etc are also used in comic books creation.
They're both experiences of being lead around by a camera.Tell me, what's more emotional? Reading that children are asking Nami to save them in one picture, and the next picture have tears in their eyes on a picture that is only two inches in black in white, or watch the anime that let's you hear the screams and the cries that the children make, listen to the child beg and plead to be saved on the top of her lungs, while tears are flowing off her face in 1080p with vibrant colors.
Yeah, I thought so lol.
You're illiterate. I don't mean literally of course. But you are basically illiterate to written works, and graphic novels.
The way you're talking shows you just do not get it. This is YOUR issue, this is not the nature of jack.
Other people have zero problem getting all that from comics LET ALONE print.You're less capable than the average person. Don't let's try and pretend that makes the one medium that you find easiest to digest…the best medium lol.
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Easiest medium? Illiterate?
I think you're confusing emotion with understanding the plot and what's going on. Or just pulling a straight up strawman logical fallacy.
I don't prefer anime because it is easy to digest. I prefer it because it has a higher potential of triggering my natural sense of emotion than what manga can. Being easy to digest and triggering more emotions are not the same. Calling it "my problem" is fine, but ask anyone who likes watching anime more and they will likely give the same or similar opinion as mine, and saying everyone who shares this opinion less capable and illiterate with graphic novels is nonsense.
I smell a troll
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I prefer the manga, for obvious reasons.
However the anime allows me to experience this story with friends, listen to all the wonderful music, and give amazing voices to the characters that I love. Cho is one of the main reasons I absolutely adore Brook, and it is exclusive to the anime.
So while the manga is definitely better, I treat viewing the show as a delightful activity to be done with friends. Because reading the manga out loud with each other would not be nearly as fun.
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Easiest medium? Illiterate?
I think you're confusing emotion with understanding the plot and what's going on.
I think it's absolutely insane as hell that you earnestly disbelieve that people get emotional from comic books and print books.
I don't prefer anime because it is easy to digest. I prefer it because it has a higher potential of triggering my natural sense of emotion than what manga can.
"I don't do because X. I do because X."
That's what I'm reading here.You know I wouldn't even care if you made a post like "hey man, I have a harder time enjoying comic books.".
But you're throwing around words like "natural" as if there's some innate inferiority to certain mediums. It's craziness.Being easy to digest and triggering more emotions are not the same.
You are unable to digest the material and have the appropriate emotional response.
You're also apparently under the impression that "more = better".Calling it "my problem" is fine, but ask anyone who likes watching anime more and they will likely give the same or similar opinion as mine,
I don't think they'd say stupid shit like "anime is naturally more emotional than manga".
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I prefer the manga. ^.^
Well, each medium has its own advantage. I am an active reader, so I prefer the manga because I can read it at my own pace. And the gutters between the panels allow my active imagination to intuitively fill in the gap to make the story-flow natural and smooth. Most of the time the anime gave me a forced feel, especially if it is done clumsily. The characters' actions can be stiff, awkward or unnatural.Texts are perceived information and images are received information. Manga is a combination of both. Animations and cinema in general are more about received information, in which the audience plays a more passive role. So I can imagine how this medium can have more potential to trigger intense emotional responses and overwhelm the audiences, if done well and with the suitable audiences (the more passive ones). But this doesn't mean the comic medium or printed books can't have the ability to communicate emotions intensely. It depends on a lot of factors other than just the medium, like executions and suitable audiences. In fact, many are reported to have wept over novels and comics, and I am one of them. ^^
There is no need to be so hostile to each other, is there? ^.^
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i prefer the manga,because it's the only source material straight from the author
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You are unable to digest the material and have the appropriate emotional response.
You're also apparently under the impression that "more = better".You're right. I am saying more is better.
Read a newspaper headline that says "Woman Murdered and Raped by Employer". Read the article that paints a detailed bio about how wonderful the victim was and how brutal the scene was. See a comic book made based off of what happened that day and how brutal it was. See a movie made from the events of what happened and how brutal it was.
Now you can't tell me that an inferior mind is responsible for caring the more it seems "real" to a person. That's what I'm getting at here. From a headline, to a whole article, to a graphic novel, to a motion picture with audio. Each one adds more a more "real" sense to it. It's not even arguable that the more you know, the more you give a damn. You won't cry from reading the most basic "Woman Murdered and Raped by Employer", but you actually might if you see a whole movie reenacting the scene.
I completely understand what you are saying, that's that if a person doesn't feel as much emotion as the author's intent, that there must be something wrong with them clinically and a lack of imagining things for themselves. While I disagree, that is not what I'm arguing.
The rest of your post shows how unopened minded and arrogant you are.
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You're right. I am saying more is better.
No no, that's the joke. More is not better. Pounding on stuff can kill subtlety, it can make things cheesy, overly obvious, there's so many ways more can suck.
That you don't know this just confirms everything I was saying about you.Read a newspaper headline that says
Aaaaand right off the bat your example is worthless.
We're talking storytelling mediums, and you bring to the table as the example of print….news articles. It's not a storytelling medium. It doesn't play by the same rules. It's not meant to.Now you can't tell me that an inferior mind is responsible for caring the more it seems "real" to a person.
….is that English?
That's what I'm getting at here.
What are you getting at??? 0_o
From a headline, to a whole article, to a graphic novel, to a motion picture with audio.
Two non story things, and then two different mediums for storytelling. What the fuck
Each one adds more a more "real" sense to it.
Yeah, yeah yeah dude. That's it. That's what I'm saying about you. You NEED it to closest resemble something outright for it to work for you. That doesn't say ANYTHING about the medium of film working better. That just makes it easier.
Like hey, gee. Let's think about this, because we aren't talking about film. We're talking about animation. So the anime isn't at the top of your nonsense totem pole. Live action is.
By YOUR logic the ultimate expression of One Piece would be a live action film or TV series. Do you for even a second believe that? Do you really think this highly stylized thing would work better with….live action? Really? Really really??Seriously though, what the fuck does this moronic totem pole of yours have to do with art? You're the same sort of dingus that argues that photo-realism is better than abstract art. Or that...Prog Rock is superior to Punk. Hell how does music at all work in your world??
Like I really wanna know. You apparently need as realistic visuals as possible to have an emotional response.
Can you get emotional from a piece of music? What about instrumental music? Do you even think music can BE emotional on it's own?Bottom line. Art is ABOUT abstraction. Measuring and carefully applying how much abstraction you want to give the audience is what it's all about. It is NOT some rat race to hyper-realism.
It's not even arguable that the more you know, the more you give a damn.
We aren't talking knowledge, we're talking depiction of a scene. Christ the entire concept of minimalism is just beyond you.
Like not showing the monster makes it scarier sometimes? Do you GET that?I completely understand what you are saying, that's that if a person doesn't feel as much emotion as the author's intent, that there must be something wrong with them clinically and a lack of imagining things for themselves. While I disagree, that is not what I'm arguing.
I'm arguing that you are limited. And I don't make habit of chastizing people for that even if I think it (anime only watchers in general).
But when that person decides to try and rationalize a new world order where their limitations are the height of natural understanding? The fuck is that?
So you have hard time with comic books, alright, that doesn't make them an inferior medium lol.The rest of your post shows how unopened minded and arrogant you are.
Ah yes truly I, the guy arguing for the vast spectrum of mediums with their many ways of communicating different stories in infinite directions and no heirachy….is the closed minded guy next to "more is better, less is worse" totem pole boy here.
But then again you think Perona is going to join the crew lol.
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When i read the one piece manga it doesn't really process as static black and white pictures. I mean you mentally fill in the blanks when you get immersed in it and it all flows. That's atleast how it is for me.
The OP anime comes across as far more static to me, things just seem to hang in the air and don't seem as alive as what i see in my mind's eye when i'm reading the manga. So emotionally a manga scene trumps the animated version so many times over.
Could it possibly be animated in a manner in which it becomes more enjoyable? Possibly. But not with the crap budgets these shows get.
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Another example of more being less in terms of One Piece, and how knowing more can make you give less of a shit?
Oda merely mentioning the existence of certain islands near Water7, that we will never get to see or see only scraps of?
Thats less being more. Denying us such perfect whole knowledge does two things.1. It makes us hungry for more.
2. But most importantly, it makes OP seem vast and FAR more like a real world, having just the suggestion of things on our horizon that we only know the name of and maybe a cultural event (carnivals, culinary fame). But not ever really getting to see that. -
Is this even a viable topic of discussion when the adaptation is so terrible?
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the colored manga of one piece makes the anime obsolete.
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The better question is, why is the anime so bad? I don't mean the reasons that people already listed, I mean surely Oda must not be happy with what he is watching. Does he have any say in the matter? Are the fans in Japan happy with what they are watching or are they complaining about it? It seems like the only way Toei will get their act together is if the ratings go down or something. It is a shame, because the anime is what could make people become interested in the manga in the first place (that is what happened with me). I hope things get better.
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I have a good imagination, therefore I'm able to enjoy manga pretty well. Also OP manga have pretty good choreography, that really helps to enjoy fighting scenes, but at same time that makes their transistions into OPs anime most oftenly stiff and lame in comparison of quality.
I apprechiate anime mainly for setting some basic stuff, which improves my enjoyment of reading manga as well - character voices and soundtrack. However It's just a little bonus.Overall I think that OP anime pales in comparison with OP manga. Naturally anime itself have a lot limitations when having to produce weekly episodes without any delays, which is why it suffers in quality. But for me I don't really need to watch anime to be able to enjoy story, because, like I said, I don't have any problems with my imagination.
Heck, we're not even that far off from era of books. If it really was a must for a human being to see animated pictures with actual voices in order to enjoy a story then this entire entertainment sphere based on storytelling might not even have been born. -
The better question is, why is the anime so bad? I don't mean the reasons that people already listed, I mean surely Oda must not be happy with what he is watching. Does he have any say in the matter? Are the fans in Japan happy with what they are watching or are they complaining about it? It seems like the only way Toei will get their act together is if the ratings go down or something. It is a shame, because the anime is what could make people become interested in the manga in the first place (that is what happened with me). I hope things get better.
Not really as he would have signed a contract with Toei before the anime started to give them the rights to animate it until the manga ends probably, and these days he's too busy with the manga to consult them about it.
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The better question is, why is the anime so bad? I don't mean the reasons that people already listed, I mean surely Oda must not be happy with what he is watching. Does he have any say in the matter? Are the fans in Japan happy with what they are watching or are they complaining about it? It seems like the only way Toei will get their act together is if the ratings go down or something. It is a shame, because the anime is what could make people become interested in the manga in the first place (that is what happened with me). I hope things get better.
It's an easy question imo.
Content of OP is rich with characters and detalized enivronments. Every random character on background and ever new location adds more and more work for animators. Every fighter have his own specific fighting style and moves. Every fight is have its own unique setting and is more than just smash and bash. New moves and techniques almost in every fight we see. I'd say that OP is naturally very hard manga to animate for amount of content it delivers. -
For me, One Piece's good fight scene animated was in One Piece 3D: Mugiwara Chase Movies… and Luffy vs Crocodile in the anime.
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Anime. The voice acting is incredible
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Manga.
It's One Piece the way Oda wants us to see it, plain and simple.
That said, I was an anime only fan upon my introduction to OP (in fact OP is what got me to read any manga at all) and I loved the anime back then. I am still thankful to it for giving the characters a voice that I may not have given them myself if I only ever read the manga (the various laughs are a good example of this - with Brook's being the first to come to mind). And the way the anime embellishes some moments (because they pad out everything because they have to) actually adds to the emotional impact of certain scenes…though it is a flaw more often than not. The music also gives a lot of life and environment to the OP world. Regardless, when reading OP our imagination is our own director and there is a limitless budget... I like the anime for what it is but it simply can't compete and more often than not fails to deliver on scenes that are so freaking sweet in my minds eye. 2c.
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Anime turned into crap around Shabondy. Or is it that I only started noticing it then?
It's not even about the animation, really. Direction is what fucks it up. It gets too close to manga chapters, so the episodes start to get painfully stretched, even in the places where they shouldn't be.
So you get to see how Luffy's Grizzly Magnum didn't blow CC away with first impact, but CC caught it with his hands, after which Luffy used shockwaves from his fists to blow CC away. Or Shogun Franky vs those two derps, that was way too long and stopped making sense after a while. Or when Law was explaining how he swiched the hearts for more than 2 minutes, flashback and all. Or how Dofla was playing around with Smoker, even though he was in a big hurry.By itself, these things aren't that much (except Grizzly Magnum thing) but when crap like this piles up, you don't even feel like watching any more.
I expected things would get better after this filler arc. But no, filler arc only had 3 episodes. Is this the best they could come up with? I mean it's New World we're talking about and possibilities should be limitless. So it means we should expect a lot of fillers on Dressrosa and probably even terrible pace and stretching.
Doesn't even come close to manga, but there are a lot of factors which make it worse. Although I have to admit, reading manga wouldn't be the same without those voices and soundtrack in my head.
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Woah, the amount of anime hate. Surprising. How are people so hung up on the negative sides of the anime that they can't even appreciate the obvious technical benefits and plus-sides of a more immersive visual medium?
Well for me as an auditive person, sound design and music are a huge part of storytelling. I always imagine the ambience, effects, music etc. and what they would sound like even when I'm reading the manga. Voice acting gives further personality to a character and makes me connect to them on a deeper level. It is the final thing that defines them.
Moving image is more dynamic and leaves a heavier impact. It also allows the events to be better paced and dramatized, obviously. You feel what's going on, as if you're actually observing the action rather than reading about it. Heh, that turned out to be quite the literal comparison of the two mediums.
Of course it's a longer list of technicalities and preferences that always make me want to see the anime after reading the manga, but those I think are the main points.
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I agree that the manga's better constructed, but I prefer the anime right now. Plus I haven't yet gotten to the point where I'd have to read the manga if I wanted to know what's happening in the story, so I'm basically just glancing through it to see the drawn versions of scenes I like. To be honest, after seeing 300+ episodes of the anime, it's tough to get adjusted to something that feels a lot more static; and right now I actually have fun pointing out and laughing at the anime's problems even though I'd take something better done in a heartbeat. Then there's the voice acting, the music, those sound effects that I can practically hear in my head now, and just seeing some really nice locations come to life colored and (kinda) moving. Even if it's not the best anime out there it could definitely be even worse, and for what it's worth I find it pretty immersive anyway, even when it screws up some of the pacing.
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@The:
Woah, the amount of anime hate. Surprising. How are people so hung up on the negative sides of the anime that they can't even appreciate the obvious technical benefits and plus-sides of a more immersive visual medium?
You should try to read Monkey King's posts!(They're actually pretty good) It's not simply the animes downsides, it's about the fact that these "benefits" are negligible(to me and some others at least). The manga can offer the same experience, and perhaps even better.
Well for me as an auditive person, sound design and music are a huge part of storytelling. I always imagine the ambience, effects, music etc. and what they would sound like even when I'm reading the manga. Voice acting gives further personality to a character and makes me connect to them on a deeper level. It is the final thing that defines them.
Audio can contribute a lot, and I would be lying if I said I didn't add my own choice of music while reading. But voice can't be the "final thing' that you think about in the character. After all, Oda didn't really choose it himself right? I think other things, like maybe personality, should be something that leave the biggest impression. Even for other auditive people, some prefer to have they're own voices that fit the character best, and so different people might have their own impression of the character.
As for me, I did not think that Fukuro had such a high voice. I don't think I could ever get used to it. I prefer reading it(in my mind, of course.) with my own decided voice.
And somethings not hearing it could add more, you know?Moving image is more dynamic and leaves a heavier impact. It also allows the events to be better paced and dramatized, obviously. You feel what's going on, as if you're actually observing the action rather than reading about it. Heh, that turned out to be quite the literal comparison of the two mediums.
But in a comic, you're also observing it, right? The manga isn't a collection of words that Oda penned. He drew the action, he dictated the camera angles(which are masterfully done) and he choreographed what they did. Moving might not be leave a more heavier impact. That might only apply to action sequences. In dramatic scenes, something like Ace's final words will jump out at you more, when you turn the page, and suddenly see a giant panel, using both pages to make a scene or picture jump out at you.
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For pacing, I don't believe that the anime can better control the tempo. It's been a long standing complaint that it's much too slow. In the manga, you control the speed of reading, how long you wish to stare at the action, or maybe take the time to admire the art, or gaze and that camera angle. If you want it to be fast, you read fast. If you want it to be slow, you read slow. Simple right? -
@The:
Woah, the amount of anime hate. Surprising. How are people so hung up on the negative sides of the anime that they can't even appreciate the obvious technical benefits and plus-sides of a more immersive visual medium?
Oh cool another illiterate simpleton who thinks "MORE = BETTER".
Do you also think there are more natural benefits to an orchestra over a single acoustic guitar in music? lol
Well for me as an auditive person,
I am probably the most auditive person on this entire forum and I call bullshit.
Mostly because there is nothing impressive sound design or musically in OP. Hey, quick question.
Did Yoko Kano do the soundtrack or some shit?
No? It's generic big studio weekly animation with all that entails as a factory like product adaptation?sound design and music are a huge part of storytelling.
Only in certain mediums…
I always imagine the ambience, effects, music etc. and what they would sound like even when I'm reading the manga.
Yeah, you do. It's almost like that imagination is part of the experience in books and manga or something.
Voice acting gives further personality to a character and makes me connect to them on a deeper level. It is the final thing that defines them.
So you don't actually enjoy having such things filled in by your head, and you prefer to have them chosen for you.
Moving image is more dynamic and leaves a heavier impact.
If you're illiterate to comics yes.
It also allows the events to be better paced and dramatized,
BAHAHAHAHAH
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@Monkey King:
Besides the point of manga vs. anime, you have quite some nerve to call people illiterate because some people think that the anime is a more immersive visual medium.
This is a problem I see a lot here on the forum, people looking down on OP fans who prefer the anime over the manga. Grow up, there's bound to be people with an opinion that differs from yours.
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Audio can contribute a lot, and I would be lying if I said I didn't add my own choice of music while reading. But voice can't be the "final thing' that you think about in the character. After all, Oda didn't really choose it himself right? I think other things, like maybe personality, should be something that leave the biggest impression. Even for other auditive people, some prefer to have they're own voices that fit the character best, and so different people might have their own impression of the character.
As for me, I did not think that Fukuro had such a high voice. I don't think I could ever get used to it. I prefer reading it(in my mind, of course.) with my own decided voice.
And somethings not hearing it could add more, you know?Yea, voice is not the final thing in a character, but rather completes the character and his expressions which are shown. Like everything else, it's the combination of sound and visuals; there's a world of dramatic&romanticized possibilities with an actor's voice. While I do appreciate the thought of letting your imagination take care of it while reading a comic or a book, it doesn't change the fact that it's way more difficult to fully realize and convey the emotions of a character with just a speech bubble. The little things such as the rhythm of dialogue, voice intensity and the possibility of tweaking every line in a way that best suits the character, all add to conveying the experience and emotions of characters to viewers.
Like you said, I'm sure most of us listen to music when reading the manga. I guess it's just that we are hard-wired to somehow combine the world of visuals and audio to enhance experiencing the story and its events. And that's exactly my point; in the anime they pace the music with what's going on on the screen. When our heroes are called into action and prepare to rise up to a new challenge, the badass theme music kicks in and the two worlds of image and sound play in rhythm and send shivers down your spine. And when Ace died, while I do agree that the pacing is superior in the manga, I still had more time to really take it in and let the actors do their job. In that instance, the lack of music had a heavier impact and made the scene all the more dramatic, in silence. On the other hand, a truly emotional piano piece will always make the audience have more feels during a sad scene.
These things are the very definition of a better immersion of the story. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise. Whether or not people like the OST has nothing to do with it.
@__Monkey King__
I'm really not inclined to reply at all to a provocative person with a radical viewpoint such as you, the way you expressed your "humble" opinion really feels like a rant of a fanboy whose butt just got hurt. Now I'm sure this is not the case, but if we're looking to rise above the youtube comment section - level of discussion, I think you should drop the Ad Hominem arguments and laughing at other people's faces. Just my 0,02$.
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@Monkey King:
Besides the point of manga vs. anime, you have quite some nerve to call people illiterate because some people think that the anime is a more immersive visual medium.
These people (see rest of thread) are fundamentally atheistic toward the ability of comic books and by extension book books to work on that level.
They aren't expressing preference for one style, they're denying the different approache and making this a "more = better than" bit of ridiculous hogwash.This is a problem I see a lot here on the forum, people looking down on OP fans who prefer the anime over the manga.
Not really a problem tbh.
Grow up, there's bound to be people with an opinion that differs from yours. You need to get of your high horse and stop judging people based on their preferences.
Blah blah blah: "I share the other dude's opinion but don't have his stones to at least enter the discussion"
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@The:
Yea, voice is not the final thing in a character, but rather completes the character and his expressions which are shown. Like everything else, it's the combination of sound and visuals; there's a world of dramatic&romanticized possibilities with an actor's voice. While I do appreciate the thought of letting your imagination take care of it while reading a comic or a book, it doesn't change the fact that it's way more difficult to fully realize and convey the emotions of a character with just a speech bubble.
So what you're saying is you are making this choice by virtue of laziness?
Also big huge monster problem with your argument here:
The author isn't in charge of the anime. Ergo, the dude who created and creates One Piece in all it's facets is not the one sound designing, casting, coloring, etc etc etc.
You'd have more of a point if the creator himself was behind these things, but nope! These are not the definitive vision of what One Piece would sound like.
The creator making those choices is the only thing that might could trump the imagination. And that is absolutely not the case.The little things such as the rhythm of dialogue, voice intensity and the possibility of tweaking every line in a way that best suits the character, all add to conveying the experience and emotions of characters to viewers.
See this is what blows my mind every time we have this discussion. This is a mass production factory line type production. This is not even REMOTELY state of the art animation, nor is it intended to be. This isn't Hayao goddamned Miyazaki.
You can't talk in some bullshit hypothetical way about "tweaking every line in a way that best suits the character" like that's even remotely what's going on.
lollll, even if they wanted to slave over every line like that they can't due to the whole nature of a WEEKLY tv show.Like you said, I'm sure most of us listen to music when reading the manga. I guess it's just that we are hard-wired to somehow combine the world of visuals and audio to enhance experiencing the story and its events.
Enhance?? lol
When a book or comic book engages the brain it engages the sense. In the same way music can engage senses other than sound. Art is always a sensory experience.
That's precisely the fun with half this shit.
Unless you're lazy and spoiled and poorly poorly poorly experienced on anything other than animation, you're not whining and wishing for a thing your brain is already cooking up.These things are the very definition of a better immersion of the story.
It's the definition of requiring something to hold your hand. The way you're approaching it. If you really gave a crap about how it's done you would be as interested and at least respectful of the different universe that are other more minimalistic mediums. Mediums that require more input on the reader/listener (it's not even a matter of effort for most people, thus Illiterate).
But instead you're actually obsessed with just HAVING it. I mean this is most obvious given once more that the One Piece anime is a production line quick and dirty production.
You're stunted in your ability to enjoy other mediums and want to dress up your deficiencies as the end all be all of experiencing a story.
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This shouldn't even be a debate seeing how terrible the anime is. The manga is better because that is the author's original work, it's the story as it is intended to be. No horribly slow pacing, 1 chapter=1 episode bullshit, filler garbage that never happened and piss poor animation quality. Also, "voice acting" is a pretty terrible reason for preferring the anime when you can just play the same voices in your head when you read the manga.
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I know the manga is technically better…. but I prefer the anime, flaws and all.
I've just grown attached to it and love most things about it. It just gets me more excited than the manga.
Not gonna lie, probably because I like to watch tv/movies more than read a comic/book. XD
Still though.... same ol' Arlong Park elitists acting like blowhards on those who prefer the anime and list why. This site never changes.
No wonder why people view OP fans in such a bad light.
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I think both have their advantages and disadvantages that it makes it hard for me to easily say "I like this one totally" or not.
If you're making me pick just one I like better overall and not allowing me to mix and match?
The Manga.
The manga is a far superior product overall. This mostly comes from it being the mind of a single voice and vision and from a single artist. There is a more consistent quality to the lineart which can only be described as "Stellar" to me in a lot of areas and aspects and the story is paced well all the way through. Post timeskip it's Faltered a little bit, but we know that flaws and all, you're getting a consistent product from a single source.
Now, if I'm allowed to go off the rails a bit and be a tad more elaborate in my response, I think the OVERALL Anime has merits too. It's not a HORRIBLE product across the board by any means and is actually quite enjoyable in its own right.
In the anime, you sacrifice consistent pacing and art quality for Stellar voice acting and a pretty good musical score. We're not talking Cowboy Bebop levels of amazing here, but the score is Solid by one of the industry's most accomplished composers.
The voice acting adds more than you think. I've owned the whole manga up to around Thriller Bark for years and have read through it a few times. The first time I got to Robin's "Igitai!!" ("I WANNA LIVE!") in Volume 41 I teared up, but in subsequent readings I can make it through the whole book without crying at all.When I see it in the anime? I cry. Every. Damn. Time.
Same for Merry's Funeral. Hell, Dear Friends (The song that plays in the anime during Merry's Funeral) is capable of making me tear up all by itself. It just had to come up on shuffle on my MP3 player and BAM, misty eyes.There are some REALLY solid animation moments as well that, in a FEW instances I think the anime surpasses the manga in its dramatic timing and quality. A few examples of those moments being The March on Arlong Park, Luffy Vs. Crocodile Round 3, and The Movie 8 version of the "X" marks on the arm scene.
The anime's BIGGEST sin and the thing that really is why I'd still say the Manga wins even though I'm being so glowing to the anime, is the pacing. It starts out really good, and continues this way for a while. It had some missteps and some bad Filler, but the Canon material was solid until around Skypea. Skypiea started the trend of sometimes having episodes that only adapted 1.5 chapters of the manga instead of 2-3. The Ratio of chapters to episodes began to drop at this point and get worse and worse until you hit Thriller Bark and BAM, we get 1 chapter per episode pacing… and at that point, the anime gets nigh-unwatchable for me.
To be fair, all the badly paced stuff is MUCH better to watch in a marathon later, but while it makes the trudge through more bearable, it's still bad. If you want to watch the anime of Thriller Bark and on, Watch the One Pace project. Look for the thread in the Anime section. Its basically a fan-recut of everything Post Thriller Bark to make the pacing WAY better.But to do a quick tl;dr.
The Manga is the more consistently high qality product, with the actual lineart ALWAYS trumping the anime.
But until Skypiea, the anime is a solid high quality product. After Skypiea, there's a gradual drop in quality but, despite this it's still good until Thriller Bark when it becomes unwatchable crap.
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I know the manga is technically better…. but I prefer the anime, flaws and all.
I've just grown attached to it and love most things about it. It just gets me more excited than the manga.
Not gonna lie, probably because I like to watch tv/movies more than read a comic/book. XD
Still though.... same ol' Arlong Park elitists acting like blowhards on those who prefer the anime and list why. This site never changes.
No wonder why people view OP fans in such a bad light.
Why don't you join the debate and challenge the "blowhards"? No one's asking you to be Darth and debate everybody, 24/7, but you can at least try to talk about something.
But basically all you're saying is that that's your opinion, so nobody can really challenge you. On a message board, where you're supposed to debate, people are insisting that the anime is better because they dislike using their imaginations to fill in the gaps, and people are challenging them. Debate.
Btw, how long have you been around this 8-9 year site? It would be interesting to know about all the culture of elitism.
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Obligatory "the anime gave Hodi a backstory in which he's attacked by humans"
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Obligatory "the anime gave Hodi a backstory in which he's attacked by humans"
No see ruining the whole point of his character is better because
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the anime. i can watch it with my sister theresa.
love u always
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The anime. I love the manga as well, don't get me wrong. However, sometimes there's too much going on in each panel and its hard to really understand what's going on. With the anime its a lot easier (at least for me) to keep up with everything. I just feel that they force too much into each panel of the manga to make it seem more action packed than it truly is at each point.
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The anime. I love the manga as well, don't get me wrong. However, sometimes there's too much going on in each panel and its hard to really understand what's going on. With the anime its a lot easier (at least for me) to keep up with everything. I just feel that they force too much into each panel of the manga to make it seem more action packed than it truly is at each point.
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Actually I think this is true. Oda's been making his panels too busy for awhile now. Since at least the War.
Look Oda, we're all super impressed at your work ethic and how you can do double what Togashi and Kubotite do in a month in one chapter art wise....but learn to limit yourself like you used to.
After all the art of manga should be that less is more.