I would really be surprised if Doflamingo really did die.
Oda!!! Surprise me please!!!!
But on another note WTH was Doflamingo dream? To be Pirate King right?
I would really be surprised if Doflamingo really did die.
Oda!!! Surprise me please!!!!
But on another note WTH was Doflamingo dream? To be Pirate King right?
When zoro was fighting against mr-one said that jewel sword or thing like this ,, and sabo said today that every thing is have a jewel when he destroy Fenugreek ,, that strange ..!
How do you know? You sound like you know it for a fact, but it could very well be true that he was bullshitting all along, we saw him lying several times. I'm not saying your wrong, but the way you talk about it makes it sound like you just know it, and you don't.
Evidence points towards this. If he was trolling, he wouldn't go all the way to destroy SAD room, capture Caesar just because he wants to kill Mingo? Two arcs was devoted to this, they form the alliance at about the same time Kidd formed theirs. It's clear we are seeing the framework for something big. You think after all that, Law will be like sorry guys, it all for lolz?
Maybe Pika made a Stone clone and switched it with Mingo's?
@سفآح-الشمآل:
When zoro was fighting again mr-one said that jewel sword or thing like this ,, and sabo said today that every thing is have a jewel when he destroy Fenugreek ,, that strange ..!
Well, not really. When zoro was fighting mr. 1 he could hear the voice of things around him while Sabo said everything has it's core. Not saying that this can't be related of course but it's still a bit different. Also, I'm guessing Fenugreek means Arena or floor or something?
The only bad part of the chapter is that Doffy isn't really dead.
Perfect end to his build-up. Just being slashed in the throat by the guy with the biggest grudge against him.
@Buggy's:
As much as I hate to disagree with a fellow Scot, until we know the full extent of Doflamingo and Law's relationship you can't really say that.
Law was willing to sacrifice his own life just to get Doffy into a situation where he'd maybe be killed by Kaido though.
Everything points to Law wanting Doffy dead by any means possible.
The only bad part of the chapter is that Doffy isn't really dead.
Perfect end to his build-up. Just being slashed in the throat by the guy with the biggest grudge against him.
+1
I'm sad just thinking about how next week we will find out how Doflamingo survived. Let him stay dead.
Everyone wants Luffy to beat him, when Luffy's only grudge against him is that he beat up Traffy.
Haki also bypasses non-logia defenses, as shown when Rayleigh hits Luffy's rubber nose to show how CoA works.
Yeah but like I said, in terms of what we were discussing ie Doffy reattaching his head with strings, there's nothing to bypass.
Luffy is always rubber, and logia users turn into their element, that's what is bypassed, that doesn't really apply in this case.
The ignorance of some people just baffles me, seriously I can't understand how you can really think Doflamingo just got killed / 1 shotted. You are more gullible then the dwarfs
It's actually not. I don't believe he is dead Im praying for him to get up because Oda might have chosen to kill Doflamingo. There are a lot of points as to why Doflamingo should and shouldnt die. Im considering the possibility of Doflamingo being dead, it isn't far fetched than some may think.
As for me ill be arguing for Doflamingo being alive.
But, thinking about the situation a bit more carefully. . .it has to lead somewhere. Having Kyros chop his head only for, come next chapter, Dofla sews it back, and we're back to square one. . .then this whole scene is all for nothing?
I like to entertain the idea that Dofla has some sort of plan b, even if it all comes down to "get the fuck outta Dressrosa", and faking his own death sounds like a good start to me.
This has to be planned or a part of something or I don't know, but in the situation he's in right now, sewing his head back doesn't actually save him that much trouble, considering he's still in deep shit, and thus the scene loses all purpose it might have.
@Flipper:
It's actually not. I don't believe he is dead Im praying for him to get up because Oda might have chosen to kill Doflamingo. There are a lot of points as to why Doflamingo should and shouldnt die. Im considering the possibility of Doflamingo being dead, it isn't far fetched than some may think.
As for me ill be arguing for Doflamingo being alive.
That Mingo is alive or dead shouldn't be up for debate. You don't get hyped for 10years only to get foderized by a gladiator.
Oh that. You said Law came up with a false plan. Law DID have a plan to take down Kaidou. He wasn't trolling.
The plan did seems legit alright but that does not say anything about Law's will to take Kaido for real, since he dedicates his life to revenge against Doffy. Again, if you think I am wrong tell me :"I think you are wrong, here is my interpretaion" not "you are wrong, here is the interpration".
Anyway I can't blame you for trusting Law, I just don't.
@Sereques:
lol t'es trop con
French compliment are the best! (It's a compliment right?)
Yeah, Doflamingo "dying" right now is impossible.
a) It's Oda, and we're all familiar with the guy's pattern of never killing everyone present-time. I know Ace and Whitebeard were significant exceptions to the rule, but their deaths had some build-up (c'mon, at least one of them was going to die in that war, otherwise the WG wouldn't be a very threatening antagonist for the future) and served to heavily change the world.
b) A callous attack like Kyros's? I know everybody in Dressrosa is out for his blood now, and Kyros is the "hero" that has the biggest grudge against him, but look at the bigger picture. Doflamingo's a Warlord. It only makes sense plot-wise for Luffy and/or Law to actively defeat him, the mission started with their alliance arriving at the island to raise hell.
c) It would suck. Doflamingo, around since volume 25, developed continously as a cruel and calculating bastard with a soft spot for subordinates and Celestial Dragon connections? Nuh uh, you can't throw that away so haphazardly.
i certainly don't want Law to be behind this but given his incredibly enigmatic character and the lack of blood it really does point towards him
i would personally just love to see Doflamingo actually dead but suddenly have his body reactivated post-mortem and operated upon as a zombie puppet ala Pitou from Hunter X Hunter
that's definitely not going to happen though and it would probably be bad in terms of story
And when do you think we will see Bellamy again?
i've no idea what Doflamingo is planning for Bellamy right now.
the Doffy-Bellamy confrontation has got to be really good.
did we ever find out where Bellamy was going? not to see Doffy right (or else he would havej ust tagged along with Luffy, Zoro and Kinemon)?
robsama… you did it again... only believable theory yet, but how could he make his rock clone look like doflamingo tho?
He seems to be able to manipulate the rock to an insane degree, I don't think we've seen anywhere near the limits of his control.
I don't really get why people would want or even think DD would be dead at this point in the story…
It would be the single most disappointing thing in One Piece. Anti-climactic comes to mind.
Not only are their many story lines not solved (Colosseum, factory, Kanjuroo, dwarve princess, location of Sanji & co, ...) but Luffy's or Zoro's fights are not over or haven't even begun and everyone and their mothers should have higher hopes for DD than him being OHKO'd.
But, thinking about the situation a bit more carefully. . .it has to lead somewhere. Having Kyros chop his head only for, come next chapter, Dofla sews it back, and we're back to square one. . .then this whole scene is all for nothing?
I like to entertain the idea that Dofla has some sort of plan b, even if it all comes down to "get the fuck outta Dressrosa", and faking his own death sounds like a good start to me.
This has to be planned or a part of something or I don't know, but in the situation he's in right now, sewing his head back doesn't actually save him that much trouble, considering he's still in deep shit, and thus the scene loses all purpose it might have.
Except you know.. establishing him as being somewhat resistant to anyone who uses slicing/chopping skills.. which are what? like mostly every of his enemy in the vicinity except Luffy?
I wouldn't be against him using a doll/puppet though (maybe a clone) after all he is a PUPPETeer.
What if the animals were actually humans that were experimented with prototype Smiles?
What if the animals were actually humans that were turned into animals by someone using he Ani Ani no Mi and nobody remembers them because the Ani Ani no Mi erases any memory regarding its victims?
The user of the AAnM is Sugar's sister, Salt, btw.
Evidence points towards this. If he was trolling, he wouldn't go all the way to destroy SAD room, capture Caesar just because he wants to kill Mingo? Two arcs was devoted to this, they form the alliance at about the same time Kidd formed theirs. It's clear we are seeing the framework for something big. You think after all that, Law will be like sorry guys, it all for lolz?
The point is he knows he can't kill Doffy by himself. His plan is to prevent Doflamingo from producing any more Smiles, bringing Kaido's rage upon him.
SAD, Ceasar and the factory are the keys to Smile production and that's why he was focusing on them.
As people said, there is a possibility that Law was lying to Doflamingo, but so far that is the official version of things, anything else is a theory.
And what Nami said was not regarding Law's explanation of his plan, she wasn't even there anymore when he explained everything to Doflamingo, but the simple fact he said the alliance was over. She, like all the SH, don't know what his true intentions are, only Doflamingo (and Jora) was there when Law explained everything.
He seems to be able to manipulate the rock to an insane degree, I don't think we've seen anywhere near the limits of his control.
how would no one have noticed the switch though and above all how the hell would doflamingo have known to dip right at the moment pica takes over?
it would be much more Pika-like to just set up a stone barrier around Doflamingo. it would probably be a lot easier too. why go to the trouble of making the clone look exactly like Doflamingo? it's not like anyone cares about the level of detail. unless, like I've said before, people are suggesting that this Doflamingo we saw was Pika the entire time. this would actually explain a lot (why we've seen so little of Pika's real body, why there didn't need to be a 'switch' at all, etc.), but it seems sort of dumb because most of the dialogue Doflamingo has delivered seems too authentic to be mimicked by the evidently taciturn Pika
i'm hesitant about the Law explanation but I'm pretty adamant that it wasn't Pika. it may well turn out to be just so, but no one here has delivered an even half-convincing argument and Oda would have to really put out something good to not make it seem like shit
Maybe Ito Ito No Mi isn't a paramecia after all but a logia. DD is made out of strings :ninja:
Sabo is a beast.
What if the animals were actually humans that were turned into animals by someone using he Ani Ani no Mi and nobody remembers them because the Ani Ani no Mi erases any memory regarding its victims?
The user of the AAnM is Sugar's sister, Salt, btw.
That would be the heck of a backup plan.
No 744 cover yet?? :/
robsama… you did it again... only believable theory yet, but how could he make his rock clone look like doflamingo tho?
Miss Goldenweek passing by, I guess.
Hmm…part of me is picturing a situation like:
"Doflamingo turns out to be puppet, body falls to floor, Kyros sheds tears of triumph....then curtain rises up, real Doflamingo steps out with a glass of wine and a 'you're dead' grin, Viola passes out, Kyros drops his weapon in shock, Luffy gapes and Law groans in disbelief"
… boring . it's the worst chapter last year..
Well, not really. When zoro was fighting mr. 1 he could hear the voice of things around him while Sabo said everything has it's core. Not saying that this can't be related of course but it's still a bit different. Also, I'm guessing Fenugreek means Arena or floor or something?
Oh sorry , the translation I watched didn't be so clear , it means Arena ,, you probably don't understand me ,, but I'm sorry for that
The plan did seems legit alright but that does not say anything about Law's will to take Kaido for real, since he dedicates his life to revenge against Doffy. Again, if you think I am wrong tell me :"I think you are wrong, here is my interpretaion" not "you are wrong, here is the interpration".
Anyway I can't blame you for trusting Law, I just don't.
Ok I understand now. My argument is Law put too much into this for it to be about Mingo only. This whole plan started with Law becoming a Shichibukai, he's been planing this for months.
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What if the animals were actually humans that were turned into animals by someone using he Ani Ani no Mi and nobody remembers them because the Ani Ani no Mi erases any memory regarding its victims?
The user of the AAnM is Sugar's sister, Salt, btw.
The point is he knows he can't kill Doffy by himself. His plan is to prevent Doflamingo from producing any more Smiles, bringing Kaido's rage upon him.
SAD, Ceasar and the factory are the keys to Smile production and that's why he was focusing on them.As people said, there is a possibility that Law was lying to Doflamingo, but so far that is the official version of things, anything else is a theory.
And what Nami said was not regarding Law's explanation of his plan, she wasn't even there anymore when he explained everything to Doflamingo, but the simple fact he said the alliance was over. She, like all the SH, don't know what his true intentions are, only Doflamingo (and Jora) was there when Law explained everything.
I'm just going to say this again.
Law has NOTHING to gain by telling DD anything about the rest of the plan OR the alliance or his real motives unless you believe the mastermind-explaing-his-plan cliché before seeing it blow up in his face is good story telling (except when used in parodies that mock this).
Except you know.. establishing him as being somewhat resistant to anyone who uses slicing/chopping skills.. which are what? like mostly every of his enemy in the vicinity except Luffy?
I wouldn't be against him using a doll/puppet though (maybe a clone) after all he is a PUPPETeer.
But that works when the villain is dominating, then someone seems to land a successful attack, everyone rejoices, and then he comes back and says "close, but no cigar", and everyone falls right back into despair. Kinda like the Wiper-Enel scene.
When Dofla is sweating bullets because shit is raining down on him non-stop, he's about to be striped of his rank for good this time, knows that a certain blind marine admiral is waiting to send his ass to jail, has a certain Yonkou ready to make sashimi outta him, has a gazillion angry soldiers/marines/gladiators/kings/pirates/AN ENTIRE ZOO angry at him and currently destroying his country PLUS the SH's and the entire Royal Family, to show this scene where he's decapitated, but comes back to life. . .with a sad face, still sweating bullets and with a really grim perspective ahead of him instead of with a big Dofla smile saying "too bad, sucker!" and everyone panicking cause Dofla still has the upper hand over the good guys, then this is just not very effective at all. Nope. Maybe we'll go "look at this Doffy, he has some tricks. Aha. BTW, you have a couple of powerhouses taking turns to see who gets to murder your ass, so good luck!".
I'll keep thinking that there's something else at play here, and that Doffy one way or another has to turn this situation upside down. Or at least safely escape from it.
Luffy,Zoro and Sanji could also do that.:getlost:
I'm not so sure about Sanji, with him and this door(s) issue. :ninja:
This chapter reminds me of that Liam Neeson quote from Batman Begins when he activates that water-vaporizing gizmo:
"Gentlemen… Time to spread the word. And the word is......Panic."
I Love it.
This chapter is perhaps, the single greatest chapter thus far in the entirety of the Dressrosa Arc and my current contender for chapter of the year (though to be fair, it's only March, we got a long ways to go before the forum awards).
What's especially amusing is the contrast to last week's chapter, which I feel was the single worst chapter thus far in the Dressrosa Arc and my pick for One Piece's absolute nadir of the year.
Bottom-Barrel Ussop antics aside, I'm eager to see what developments next week's chapter brings to an already chaotic table.
When Dofla is sweating bullets because shit is raining down on him non-stop, he's about to be striped of his rank for good this time, knows that a certain blind marine admiral is waiting to send his ass to jail, has a certain Yonkou ready to make sashimi outta him, has a gazillion angry soldiers/marines/gladiators/kings/pirates/AN ENTIRE ZOO angry at him and currently destroying his country PLUS the SH's and the entire Royal Family,
Yeah, forget my suggestion. He's totally screwed.
THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN PEOPLE!! I am still hoping Sugar wakes up and gets her ass whooped by Robin; I really wanted to see her fight. Doflamingo probably has some 'Nerve String' to keep him from dying due to decapitation; there is no way he would go down that easily. I knew Sabo was strong but…........DAMN! Looks like Luffy still has to catch up to big bro.
But that works when the villain is dominating, then someone seems to land a successful attack, everyone rejoices, and then he comes back and says "close, but no cigar", and everyone falls right back into despair. Kinda like the Wiper-Enel scene.
When Dofla is sweating bullets because shit is raining down on him non-stop, he's about to be striped of his rank for good this time, knows that a certain blind marine admiral is waiting to send his ass to jail, has a certain Yonkou ready to make sashimi outta him, has a gazillion angry soldiers/marines/gladiators/kings/pirates/AN ENTIRE ZOO angry at him and currently destroying his country PLUS the SH's and the entire Royal Family, to show this scene where he's decapitated, but comes back to life. . .with a sad face, still sweating bullets and with a really grim perspective ahead of him instead of with a big Dofla smile saying "too bad, sucker!" and everyone panicking cause Dofla still has the upper hand over the good guys, then this is just not very effective at all. Nope. Maybe we'll go "look at this Doffy, he has some tricks. Aha. BTW, you have a couple of powerhouses taking turns to see who gets to murder your ass, so good luck!".
I'll keep thinking that there's something else at play here, and that Doffy one way or another has to turn this situation upside down. Or at least safely escape from it.
Maybe it's to dispel the notion that this is going to be a one-sided ass kicking and that Doflamingo is a far greater threat than first imagined, that even with all these odds against him, he'll still prove to be very challenging?
Who hopes that he actually was killed in that decapitation.
At the time of reading I wished he was actually dead. A twist of that caliber would however mean the rest of the chapter would be devoted to that only. This isn't Game of Thrones, important characters can't be killed off without a bigger fuss.
Even then, I couldn't help but to fall for the beautiful idea of Kyros getting his revenge. In the end, it was kinda possible to see it working out. Doflamingo remembering insane amount of people at the same time and his plans getting crushed would be a distraction good enough to make him defenseless for a brief moment. And Kyros was expecting that moment, he had thought about this scenario for many years.
If Doflamingo had actually died there the series would have taken a whole new direction and I think that would've been really interesting. If a man like Doflamingo could be killed that easily because of a fluke, unexpected things could happen in the future. That sounds pretty darn fun.
I use Powermanga, and I thought that was his group or where he translated. I see some of the more recent chapters now looking have been cnet's translations.
Why did CCC stop?
And I guess, then is Cnet's tranlsation anywhere yet, or do i have to wait till powermanga's release in a couple/few days
I just check PM until it's out, and CCC stopped for joby reasons. Ask him, I don't want to be a gossip.
When Dofla is sweating bullets because shit is raining down on him non-stop, he's about to be striped of his rank for good this time, knows that a certain blind marine admiral is waiting to send his ass to jail, has a certain Yonkou ready to make sashimi outta him, has a gazillion angry soldiers/marines/gladiators/kings/pirates/AN ENTIRE ZOO angry at him and currently destroying his country PLUS the SH's and the entire Royal Family, to show this scene where he's decapitated, but comes back to life.
Which makes me think that even if he is a Logia or somehow can string himself back together, ect.
WHY?
His best scenerio is he plays possum until everyone leaves and he sneaks away. Whats the beneift for him to stand back up? At the moment they all think he is dead. Why would he stand up when he is surrounded by enemies?
There is no cocky revival. There is absolutely nothing going his way. Every plan he has ever shown us is in the garbage.
The only thing he has going for himself right now is his own strength and his crews strength. But as you pointed out, the odds are very against that. He has a lot of enemies right now.
Ok I understand now. My argument is Law put too much into this for it to be about Mingo only. This whole plan started with Law becoming a Shichibukai, he's been planing this for months.
But why would Law aim for Kaido ? Power and glory, meh. To get closer from the One Piece, maybe. Though I don't recall Law saying clearly that he wants the One Piece as much as Luffy, Kidd and so on. He might be timid about his subject XD
(thanks for hearing my conplaints BTW)
He seems to be able to manipulate the rock to an insane degree, I don't think we've seen anywhere near the limits of his control.
This whole stone clone theory reminds me that somebody (Marcelle, I guess) came up with the idea that Pica was using ventriloquism all the time, which is why he's mute during his whole fight with Zoro.
Pretty ridiculous, but still amusing and somewhat Oda-ish.
I kinda want to fast forward about 6 months or so to read the arc's conclusion in bulk. A chapter at a time is going to be agonizing from here on out.
Can anyone explain clearly to me what is this Pica stone clone theory? Is it like a Stone-made puppet controlled by Doflamingo's strings or something like that?
Can anyone explain clearly to me what is this Pica stone clone theory? Is it like a Stone-made puppet controlled by Doflamingo's strings or something like that?
Kyros might have slayed a stone-made Doffy. Nice update on your avatar.
Doflamingo isn't even in that room. Pica is going there to lock everybody in while they think they actually killed Dofla.
Law was willing to sacrifice his own life just to get Doffy into a situation where he'd maybe be killed by Kaido though.
Everything points to Law wanting Doffy dead by any means possible.
I agree that Law wants Mingo dead but I think the means are more important than you're suggesting.
He clearly wants a Doffy/Kaidou confrontation as part of a bigger strategy which is concerned with taking down the Yonkou. If Mingo dies there will be no confrontation and so the wider strategy will fail.
I dont think law has a plan to take down kaidou, I mean he couldnt even scratch Don Flamingo.
Kaidou needs only to look at him to make him dead in 5seconds
Idk if this has been said or not but Buffalo is surprised that Doffy lost his head. If he was able to do that because of his devil fruit then surely Buffalo would know that right? Also Law using his powers doesn't make much sense. I'm honestly pretty stumped in terms of what's going on with the whole beheading thing.