It not worst than what Ichigo taught Kenpachi.
What was that? I don't remember anything about Bleach.
It not worst than what Ichigo taught Kenpachi.
What was that? I don't remember anything about Bleach.
What was that? I don't remember anything about Bleach.
Lets see…Remember how his fight against Kenpachi ended and then read chapter 542.
I foresaw the whole sage of the six path bieng an alien/being from another dimension/whatever as soon as we heard about him. Now I just hope another arc focusing on space travel or alien invasion to not happen.
Lets see…Remember how his fight against Kenpachi ended and then read chapter 542.
This is a problem but I re-read chapter 542 (bland as usual) and I do recall Ichigo calling on Zangetsu for help in his fight against Kenpachi. Did Ichigo tell Kenpachi something along the lines of you need to be able to ask your sword for help in order to grow stronger?
I think you're onto something there.
Turns out this war is only the halfway point of the manga.
I'm pretty sure the rabbit godess who came from another land part will be left unexplained.
Well, either that, or space rabbits invasion. Don't see the middle ground.
This is a problem but I re-read chapter 542 (bland as usual) and I do recall Ichigo calling on Zangetsu for help in his fight against Kenpachi. Did Ichigo tell Kenpachi something along the lines of you need to be able to ask your sword for help in order to grow stronger?
What? No, Ichigo didn't say nothing, that its a thing Kenpachi realized after the fight. Ichigo didn't really taught directly, I mean.
What? No, Ichigo didn't say nothing, that its a thing Kenpachi realized after the fight. Ichigo didn't really taught directly, I mean.
See? Lol, it would have been easier if you would have just given me this information in the beginning.
Get ready for Naruto Part 3 where the rabbit aliens finally start their attack - led by Princess Kaguya who got immortal due to the elixir of life.
See? Lol, it would have been easier if you would have just given me this information in the beginning.
Well, at least you get it that Kenpachi was right all along, right?
Well, at least you get it that Kenpachi was right all along, right?
Yes, and that would explain why he's such a beast in terms of power.
@Bartholemew:
Get ready for Naruto Part 3 where the rabbit aliens finally start their attack - led by Princess Kaguya who got immortal due to the elixir of life.
If you look at the design, I'm pretty sure that Kaguya is the death god from the Reaper Death Seal.
The whole reincarnation reveal further shits on the hardwork theme of this series. It was completely unneeded. Lets get back to Guy vs Madara already.
@Bartholemew:
Get ready for Naruto Part 3 where the rabbit aliens finally start their attack - led by Princess Kaguya who got immortal due to the elixir of life.
Naruto: Space Hurricane Chronicles
I often wondered why nobody had a rabbit summon. Turns out Kishi saved them for something better. Well, I use the word "better" loosely.
Next thing you know, this will turn out to be some kind of a foreshadowing:
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So, no one is going to make stories about the sage of the six path's brother? That seems like a set up for a new and exciting asspull.
So, no one is going to make stories about the sage of the six path's brother? That seems like a set up for a new and exciting asspull.
He went on a grand voyage through space to meet his ancestors from his mother's side, then return to fuck up his bro's heritage. That oughta teach Hagoromu who's the better brother.
About that…
There's also that Pain body which shoots rockets and stuff. Which is even canon.
DO you guys think one reason naruto is bad is because kishi is focusing to much on what happened in the past and trying to make things connect more to naruto? when instead the momentum of plot should be fueled by new threats and new enemy's that the new generation should fight for? i mean this whole conflict going on, this isnt really any of narutos generations problem or naruto for that matter, their future is at stake yes but they werent even alive with madara and obitos issues they arent connected with their life in anyway. (its hard to get my point across) but what do you guys think? should the past characters have stayed in the past?
DO you guys think one reason naruto is bad is because kishi is focusing to much on what happened in the past and trying to make things connect more to naruto? when instead the momentum of plot should be fueled by new threats and new enemy's that the new generation should fight for? i mean this whole conflict going on, this isnt really any of narutos generations problem or naruto for that matter, their future is at stake yes but they werent even alive with madara and obitos issues they arent connected with their life in anyway. (its hard to get my point across) but what do you guys think? should the past characters have stayed in the past?
It's not even that they're descended from lineages of old that's necessarily a problem. If it were most other manga it would be okay to throw in maybe one parallel to the past, but this is pretty much the 10th time Kishi has decided, "Well, he is the main character and I just wrote Sasuke too many powerups while Naruto still only has the rasengan and a really selfdestructive transformation, so let me write in more abilities right into his genes and soul."
More importantly, it pretty much completely tramples over the themes built up in Part I. This is pretty much the first time in a long time Kishimoto has addressed that, "why yes, Naruto actually was a loser who didn't inherit any of his parents' talents. But it's okay because not only did he work hard during his academy days followed by assistance by people such as possibly the strongest Jonin in the leaf and one of the greatest legendary ninja of the leaf village who also happens to be his godfather, he was destined to work to unlock unimaginable power because that's how his past self was! And that's okay, right? Let's just pretend that his lineage and the vast parallels I've tried to draw for this single moment (but not others) doesn't matter." Up til now in part II it's basically only been "Turns out that not only is Naruto the fourth's son and Jiraiya's godson, he's also a child of a clan who hosted some incredibly powerful techniques and is descended from a branch of the Senju clan."
Let's be honest here. The poor Juubi is the victim in this story. He had his food stolen by a tyrannical alien queen and when he tried to get it back her hybrid children enslaved him and split him into 9 separate beings to be hated and feared for generations. If there's any justice the Juubi will free itself from Madara and kill everyone in the war and go home to live in peace and quiet.
Let's be honest here. The poor Juubi is the victim in this story. He had his food stolen by a tyrannical alien queen and when he tried to get it back her hybrid children enslaved him and split him into 9 separate beings to be hated and feared for generations. If there's any justice the Juubi will free itself from Madara and kill everyone in the war and go home to live in peace and quiet.
To be absolutely correct here, the juubi was actually a giant chakra tree who was pissed off some human decided to eat its divine fruit and decided to reclaim the power within the fruit by, I guess killing the chakra users. So the real victim here is a tree, Everyone in Uchiha and Senju and Uzumaki land is actually descended from aliens, and Madara is just a treehugger.
Bleach….
wtf was this crap.
This is probably one of the most annoying manga chapters I have ever read.
All these GOD HAX powers in Bleach, and yet all of their users just so happen to be the biggest idiots in the world.
"Oh, anything I imagine happens."
"Like how I'm imagining your brain is in this box"
"GG"
Now, if it turns out he is lying about his true power then fine, this chapter will still be annoying though.
Technically Sasuke the opposite of Naruto, which makes Sasuke a parralell to Naruto as well.
Therefore we count all Sasuke paralells as Naruto parellel, effectively doubling the list.
Soon, we'll discover Madara has in fact good intentions and the moon eye thing is just a way to prevent the alien invasion, disabling the rabbit HQ located on the moon.
Soon, we'll discover Madara has in fact good intentions and the moon eye thing is just a way to prevent the alien invasion, disabling the rabbit HQ located on the moon.
He read it on the stone tablet.
He's trying to do what you say, plus help everyone become stronger. This war is basically one big training arc.
At least Kishimoto introducing so poorly Princess Kaguya's tale made me rewatch some old episodes from Yaiba.
Now that was a fun series.
Soon, we'll discover Madara has in fact good intentions and the moon eye thing is just a way to prevent the alien invasion, disabling the rabbit HQ located on the moon.
Technically speaking, Madara actually does have good intentions in the actual story, wanting to bring peace and equality through an illusory world for everyone. He just totally doesn't seem to be into his own plan, and that's a huge factor as to why he's so lame as the big bad of this climactic showdown.
Well, I feel it's time to play: put more thought into Bleach than Kubo himself does!
The thing is, whether intentionally or not, Kubo actually managed to imply an interesting limitation on V's power. Namely, towards the end of the chapter, Ken mentions that Yachiru's bones appear to be back to normal, surmising that this is because V is too busy focusing on him. What this implies, to me, is that V cannot effect permanent change with his powers. Anything he imagines will in fact become reality, but only for so long as he is actively holding it in his mind; and while the imagination itself can be quite limitless, one's ability to hold multiple thoughts in one's head at once is quite a bit more restricted.
At any rate, such a limitation would at the very least explain why V does not simply imagine Ken dead, or imagine that Ken's head explodes, or anything to that effect. Unless he held such an image in his head for the rest of time, the moment he stopped imagining it, Ken would be back to being perfectly fine. Instead, V would have to use his power to indirectly kill Ken, such as through drowning him.
Of course, a moment's thought would easily show that, even with this restriction, his power would still be completely broken, and his under-use of it absurd. Just off the top of my head, he would still be able to imagine that Ken willingly does anything he tells him to, and then command him to kill himself. Still, it would at least be a vague step in the direction of providing an interesting handicap to make the power less broken, and so a fight potentially more interesting, so it's a real pity, in that sense, that I have at this point no doubt
Put more thought into Bleach than Kubo himself does!!!
Yes that's right ladies and gentlemen, that is the name of our show, and so it looks like we're done here for today. Until next time!
So if Naruto and Sasuke, as well as Hashirama and Madara, are reincarnations of…those two guys, then how can two reincarnations of one person be alive at the same time?
I dunno. Any Buddhists or Hindu that can help me out here?
Hashirama is not 'alive' and only either Sasuke or Madara can be older brother's 'reincarnation' now….
'reincarnation' is a recurring theme in both Buddhism and Hinduism though...
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Let's be honest here. The poor Juubi is the victim in this story. He had his food stolen by a tyrannical alien queen and when he tried to get it back her hybrid children enslaved him and split him into 9 separate beings to be hated and feared for generations. If there's any justice the Juubi will free itself from Madara and kill everyone in the war and go home to live in peace and quiet.
Hagoromo somehow admitted it,didn't he?
'..to atone the sin of our mother..'…
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@God:
If you look at the design, I'm pretty sure that Kaguya is the death god from the Reaper Death Seal.
that's the current hot theory…with her other son being the ancestor of Uzumakis...
Hashirama is not 'alive' and only either Sasuke or Madara can be older brother's 'reincarnation' now….
'reincarnation' is a recurring theme in both Buddhism and Hinduism though...
If souls reincarnate, Edo Tensei is impossible.
Unless some do reincarnate and some don't. But then it should be explained why it is so.
But then I don't want to see Kishi dabble into the afterlife, as if his plot isn't all over the place as it is.
The Sage of the six path mother doesn't look like an Alien but like a goddess, I don't know her name nor what religion she is, but I believe it is from the Hinduism(but don't take my word, because I'm just guessing). She appeares in Kyouso Giga anime as well.
Well, I'm not that certain, probably I'm wrong :P, but Alien was only something that the stupid Naruto came up. Certainly the far away place she came is some other country, that I believe is the parallel of India, where she was a goddess.
only Indra and Asura have reference in Hinduism…..
funny Kishi used them in opposite...Indra was king of gods(like Zeus, with all his dark affairs too:happy:) and Asura being demon race....in Buddhism Asura entered as a single demi-god/low deity though...
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If souls reincarnate, Edo Tensei is impossible.
Unless some do reincarnate and some don't. But then it should be explained why it is so.
But then I don't want to see Kishi dabble into the afterlife, as if his plot isn't all over the place as it is.
it is not a problem as long as edo tensei and rinne tensei(reincarnation) doesn't exist simultaneously…in first soul was in a 'alien' body,in later whole body regenerated..like we have seen with Madara...Kishi took care to destroy Madara's rinnegans too...
@Panda:
Well, I feel it's time to play: put more thought into Bleach than Kubo himself does!
The thing is, whether intentionally or not, Kubo actually managed to imply an interesting limitation on V's power. Namely, towards the end of the chapter, Ken mentions that Yachiru's bones appear to be back to normal, surmising that this is because V is too busy focusing on him. What this implies, to me, is that V cannot effect permanent change with his powers. Anything he imagines will in fact become reality, but only for so long as he is actively holding it in his mind; and while the imagination itself can be quite limitless, one's ability to hold multiple thoughts in one's head at once is quite a bit more restricted.
At any rate, such a limitation would at the very least explain why V does not simply imagine Ken dead, or imagine that Ken's head explodes, or anything to that effect. Unless he held such an image in his head for the rest of time, the moment he stopped imagining it, Ken would be back to being perfectly fine. Instead, V would have to use his power to indirectly kill Ken, such as through drowning him.
Of course, a moment's thought would easily show that, even with this restriction, his power would still be completely broken, and his under-use of it absurd. Just off the top of my head, he would still be able to imagine that Ken willingly does anything he tells him to, and then command him to kill himself. Still, it would at least be a vague step in the direction of providing an interesting handicap to make the power less broken, and so a fight potentially more interesting, so it's a real pity, in that sense, that I have at this point no doubt
Put more thought into Bleach than Kubo himself does!!!
Yes that's right ladies and gentlemen, that is the name of our show, and so it looks like we're done here for today. Until next time!
He could simply imagine Ken as dead, then procceed to cut off his limbs.
it is not a problem as long as edo tensei and rinne tensei(reincarnation) doesn't exist simultaneously…in first soul was in a 'alien' body,in later whole body regenerated..like we have seen with Madara...Kishi took care to destroy Madara's rinnegans too...
Don't understand what you mean.
We're talking about souls here. If souls in Naruto world reincarnate, Edo Tensei is a glaring plot hole (the list keeps growing).
If the reincarnation thing is limited to Hagaoromu's family because of something chakra related, then it's ok. Except no person who was a previous incarnation of Asura could be turned into Edo Tensei zombie. Edo Tensei is based on bringing back the soul of the dead person into a host body. If that soul is now another living person, there's no reanimation.
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He could simply imagine Ken as dead, then procceed to cut off his limbs.
Lol, I like that simple and straight to the point thinking.
If V was that pragmatic, nobody would stand a chance against him.
Don't understand what you mean.
We're talking about souls here. If souls in Naruto world reincarnate, Edo Tensei is a glaring plot hole (the list keeps growing).
If the reincarnation thing is limited to Hagaoromu's family because of something chakra related, then it's ok. Except no person who was a previous incarnation of Asura could be turned into Edo Tensei zombie. Edo Tensei is based on bringing back the soul of the dead person into a host body. If that soul is now another living person, there's no reanimation.
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oh!i get it…i think you misunderstood...Hagoromo said the chakras of both brothers scattered after their death and possessed by shinobis of generations....nothing about the souls...he simply sees his younger son's chakra in Naruto...that's what i understood..he himself is now a existence of pure chakras(like Minato and Kushina were previously)...
oh!i get it…i think you misunderstood...Hagoromo said the chakras of both brothers scattered after their death and possessed by shinobis of generations....nothing about the souls...he simply sees his younger son's chakra in Naruto...that's what i understood..he himself is now a existence of pure chakras(like Minato and Kushina were previously)...
So now there are multiple blobs of pure chakra running around the world that occasionally attach themselves to people that happen to have the same personality/disposition of their original owners.
'Kay
oh!i get it…i think you misunderstood...Hagoromo said the chakras of both brothers scattered after their death and possessed by shinobis of generations....nothing about the souls...he simply sees his younger son's chakra in Naruto...that's what i understood..he himself is now a existence of pure chakras(like Minato and Kushina were previously)...
Is true he said that(In reality in mangapanda translation it said "transmigrated over time". In mangastream it says "Reborn through ages". All of the translations mean that their chackra moved from host to host as an whole, from host to host "over time" or "through ages" that means basically the same) , but right the next thing he said was, that Naruto was is son reincarnation. And before of that, the first time his son appears in the water he says "You are my son "Hashura's" …"(well at least in the mangastream translation. In mangapanda it says "remind me of").
Is true he said that(In reality in mangapanda translation it said "transmigrated over time". In mangastream it says "Reborn through ages". All of the translations mean that their chackra moved from host to host as an whole, from host to host "over time" or "through ages" that means basically the same) , but right the next thing he said was, that Naruto was is son reincarnation. And before of that, the first time his son appears in the water he says "You are my son "Hashura's" …"(well at least in the mangastream translation. In mangapanda it says "remind me of").
whether he said chakras or souls needs to be clarified….i think it would be chakra...then 'reincarnation'(even if he used it) can be taken metaphorically..the correct trans will come around Sunday/Monday....
Is true he said that(In reality in mangapanda translation it said "transmigrated over time". In mangastream it says "Reborn through ages". All of the translations mean that their chackra moved from host to host as an whole, from host to host "over time" or "through ages" that means basically the same) , but right the next thing he said was, that Naruto was is son reincarnation. And before of that, the first time his son appears in the water he says "You are my son "Hashura's" …"(well at least in the mangastream translation. In mangapanda it says "remind me of").
I think this would be the general translation:
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So the Sage of the Six Paths had a brother who is completely irrelevant? Awesome. And what about the chakra from the Juubi he sealed within himself as well? Are there other tailed beasts? Or maybe eye'd beasts… hm?
Anyways, it's cool that Naruto is the reincarnated Ashura, because you know, no one else could have been… The Senju have just been alive since forever, but destiny chose Naruto, even after being the child of prophecy. Why not Konohamaru? That little shit has done nothing.
Now it's time for the Sage of the Six Paths to appear in Sasuke too. You are Indra's ancestor who caused problems forever, want to continue this shit-storm or do you want to stop murdering because you believe power is the answer to fucking everything, because haha, as we know, that will bring true peace. C'mon Sasuke, just stop. If you stop, you'll bring peace. No wars will occur for any other reason, I'm sure of it. Right? Right? Bueler?
I'm obsessing about this brother, If kishi ups him to the next main villian, we could have naruto for ANOTHER TEN YEARS, fighting Space Rabits, with Sasuke!
Kishi has a brother right? If I was his brother, I'd totally feel antagonized because of the "one good, one bad" brother thing that Kishi loves to write about. This bullshit NEEDS to stop.
Eh, the brother of the six path sages seems benign, at least seems that he didn't stab him in the back. Maybe this one is only supposed to represent his brother as a way for kishi to just say: "See, this brother isn't evil!"
"Look, see guys? I can make a good guy's brother not-evil! See?! But I'm not going to tell you anything about him, because then you'll see that I still have no idea how to write a believable character."
I'm obsessing about this brother, If kishi ups him to the next main villian, we could have naruto for ANOTHER TEN YEARS, fighting Space Rabits, with Sasuke!
I'll just straight up drop it if this comes to pass.
At that point ten years seems like a good underestimate if anything
Speaking of the original theme being ruined.
Eh, the brother of the six path sages seems benign, at least seems that he didn't stab him in the back. Maybe this one is only supposed to represent his brother as a way for kishi to just say: "See, this brother isn't evil!"
Uzumakis must have been descendent of Sage's brother…
@God:
Speaking of the original theme being ruined.
Hey look if I'm not mistaken it's the same dipshit who asked if Shonen Jump is dead.
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Uzumakis must have been descendent of Sage's brother…
Plausible considering that they say that the senju are distant relatives to the uzumakis… but I would have thought that the insinuation would have been that Naruto's heritage carries along some dude who thought love and cooperation was the way to peace, unless I guess Hagaromo's bro thought the same...?
@Purple:
Hey look if I'm not mistaken it's the same dipshit who asked if Shonen Jump is dead.
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Plausible considering that they say that the senju are distant relatives to the uzumakis... but I would have thought that the insinuation would have been that Naruto's heritage carries along some dude who thought love and cooperation was the way to peace, unless I guess Hagaromo's bro thought the same...?
considering RS and his brother co-operated it can be assumed that the guy had same mindset….it is better in that way(if the proposition is true) that Naruto,though he carries the willpower of Senju, is distinct from Senjus and Uchihas...
Kaguya eerily resemble reaper of dead demon seal..may be Hagoromo's other brother is the reaper himself...:ninja:
I wouldn't necessarily say that teaming up with your brother who happens to be the only other dude on the planet capable of fighting a monstrous incarnation of a god tree is indicative that his brother believed in cooperation, but I do think that the theory is plausible that the Uzumaki are descended from this suddenly at the last moment introduced character.
there is theory going around that what we have seen is only half Jubi(with excellent evidence) and other brother had the half…but it opens up so many possibilities.......