or even considering Caesar Clown..
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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She's a dancer which could easily be a new position on the crew.
Some SHs will love this but there's not such position on a pirate crew
yeah. because they are geniuses not, you try to give your take on a freakin discussion and you get replies like that. these kind of guys pushes new forum members and even old members away.
i messaged the forum moderator to cancel my account here, its not fun here anymore and there are too many assholes who thinks like they can monopolize what is right and wrong here, what people should think and even predict. they forgot the very essence of discussing because they know too much not
have a great day everyone!
This is just how LIFE is my friend, they probably had a difficult ride in their lives, so they think they have to share that love with everyone else on the Internet
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But…..well, what exactly is her dream, her quirk? What new thing would she bring to the team?
We don't know her dream yet, although we know she wants to kill someone (possibly DD). Since she betrayed DD she was also asked to join the crew and leave the island since it's dangerous. We should be learning more about her soon since she was supposed to be heading to the ship, and someone seriously needs to help the ship team atm.
We know she's a dancer and a spy which fits with the female crew members having 2 roles (Nami is thief and navigator, Robin is assassin and Archaeologist). Her df could be pretty useful for the crew. Since she worked with DD, she should have a lot of knowledge on DD and his plans, and maybe even Kaidou. -
Since she betrayed DD she was also asked to join the crew and leave the island since it's dangerous.
wait, what? When did this happen?
someone seriously needs to help the ship team atm.
Well, we're not exactly sure how the ship situation will pan out. But I don't think Nami/Chopper/Brook/Momo will completely be helpless in their art form, hell they haven't been captured yet.
We know she's a dancer and a spy which fits with the female crew members having 2 roles (Nami is thief and navigator, Robin is assassin and Archaeologist).
Coincidental, and this criteria isn't exactly female exclusive. Usopp is the "sniper", plus he manages a garden.
Her df could be pretty useful for the crew.
Entering the mind? Okay, but couldn't you argue this for anybody else? "Wow Barty can erect barriers, that'll be useful!" "Awesome, Bellamy can spring around!"….and be it Luffy, Oda, whoever.....the need for a crewmate has always been established by their potential skills, not power.
ex: Chopper the doctor, not Chopper the reindeer.
Since she worked with DD, she should have a lot of knowledge on DD and his plans, and maybe even Kaidou.
Couldn't you argue this for Law?
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This thread obviously has a bad reputation, but I've been thinking one way to clean things up would be to catalog each argument's greatest points and leave them in the opening post. Even the stupid arguments, just so we can point to them and shut up about it. For example you take somebody like Caribou, an obviously terrible suggestion, and present the case for him (nothing) alongside the case against him in the shortest format possible without losing an argument. From there, if anyone revives an old argument, just point them to the OP until the masses get the hint. If someone has a new argument or wants to challenge an old argument, they can just pull it from the OP until they reach the point of repetition, and so on so forth. It might be a little tedious at times for mods or whoever has the opening post, but it might keep the bashing and bashing-head-on-wall down a bit? Just a thought.
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wait, what? When did this happen?
well sanji told her that he will get her out of there on their ship. He didn't say to join the crew, but practically invited her to leave with them. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/713/15Well, we're not exactly sure how the ship situation will pan out. But I don't think Nami/Chopper/Brook/Momo will completely be helpless in their art form, hell they haven't been captured yet.
True we don't know if they will win or not. But Violet was supposed to be heading to the ship so she should have some sort of interaction with the crew if she reaches them on time.
Coincidental, and this criteria isn't exactly female exclusive. Usopp is the "sniper", plus he manages a garden.
It could be just a coincidence as 2 females isn't enough for a pattern. But point is she could have a position/role on the crew with those.Entering the mind? Okay, but couldn't you argue this for anybody else? "Wow Barty can erect barriers, that'll be useful!" "Awesome, Bellamy can spring around!"….and be it Luffy, Oda, whoever.....the need for a crewmate has always been established by their potential skills, not power.
ex: Chopper the doctor, not Chopper the reindeer.
Brooke didn't bring much to the crew. They already had a pervert and a swordsman. All Brooke added was the music and skull jokes. Violet atleast has a devil fruit with multiple uses as shown with both reading minds and attacking offensively, her role as a dancer shouldn't be considered as any less important than the role of a musician. We don't know enough about her yet to see what else she could bring to the crew but at this point in the story, it seems like any necessary role has been taken (cook, navigator, doctor, shipwright being the main ones that come to mind).Couldn't you argue this for Law?
She worked directly under DD, hence she knew about the DD betraying the deal which Law didn't know about. She knows the most out of Law and the SH crew about all the traps set up for the crew. Depending on how close she is to DD she could possibly have more detail on Kaido.
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That'd be great!
Also Violet? Each crew members introduction is fundamentally tied to Luffy. Violet's already way off.
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This thread obviously has a bad reputation, but I've been thinking one way to clean things up would be to catalog each argument's greatest points and leave them in the opening post. Even the stupid arguments, just so we can point to them and shut up about it. For example you take somebody like Caribou, an obviously terrible suggestion, and present the case for him (nothing) alongside the case against him in the shortest format possible without losing an argument. From there, if anyone revives an old argument, just point them to the OP until the masses get the hint. If someone has a new argument or wants to challenge an old argument, they can just pull it from the OP until they reach the point of repetition, and so on so forth. It might be a little tedious at times for mods or whoever has the opening post, but it might keep the bashing and bashing-head-on-wall down a bit? Just a thought.
I like the idea. However, wasn't the purpose of this thread to reduce the mods' workload by relegating all the arguments about new crew members to one corner of the forums and let people have at it while the rest of the forums are left for more relevant discussions rather than have every thread devolve in nakama threads? Also, I can envision after a while the thread will start looking something like this:
Person 1: what about X for new nakama?
Person 2: refer to OP
Person 3: what about Y for new nakama?
person 4: refer to OPAt least the way it is now, I can enjoy the shortsightedness of some people.
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That'd be great!
Also Violet? Each crew members introduction is fundamentally tied to Luffy. Violet's already way off.
Well arcs are becoming longer and longer, so it could take more time for any interaction with Luffy happens. Franky didn't interact with Luffy until about half way through water 7 and that was as an enemy at the time. Plus he had more connections with other crew members like Usopp and Robin than with Luffy. A crew member interacting with several members first isn't a bad thing.
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I like that the strawhats finally start to get some wings.
This way the crew and fighting power grows without people actually joining the core group.I hope all 3 remaining crews will join. Sai, Barto and Cavendish. Cavendish to be part of the fame, Barto because he is a fan and Sai because of his gandpa.
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Well arcs are becoming longer and longer, so it could take more time for any interaction with Luffy happens. Franky didn't interact with Luffy until about half way through water 7 and that was as an enemy at the time. Plus he had more connections with other crew members like Usopp and Robin than with Luffy. A crew member interacting with several members first isn't a bad thing.
Robin was the same. Intially introduced to the whole crew and blowing up Igaram, but then shown to taunt Luffy and help him though the desert. Franky was some nameless evil dude (same as Robin pretty much), but then confronting Luffy in full force out in the open of W7.
Violet's already blew her mystique and moral quandaries of allegiance on Sanji.
It doesn't matter if it's a bad thing or not. Oda's already got a pattern.
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Oh here's the case for Bellamy then.
Bellamy seems conflicted at the moment between his orders from Doflamingo (apaprently the guy he respects the most in the world) and his target, Luffy (who effectively triggered a huge change in his outlook).
The way the arc will play out, Luffy will doubtless take out Doflamingo. Certain things coming to light or Doflamingo's behaviour during the arc could potentially cause Bellamy to lose respect for Doflamingo, or at the very least come to respect Luffy more.
Bellamy could have some backstory to be told - perhaps telling how Doflamingo inspired him so much and/or how things developed during his Skypiea voyage.
Probably the single most compelling reason towards Bellamy joining is that Oda chose to have his entire crew apparently killed off during his Skypiea voyage. An interesting choice, for sure.
There are plenty of reasons against of course: as it stands, it would take a significant shift for Bellamy to turn against Doflamingo to the extent he would join up with the guy who beats Doflamingo up.
Also, although there are things that could be told in a Bellamy backstory as outlined above, there is not really anything so far in the arc that strongly hints we're going to get one. Similarly, Bellamy was not a dreamer before. And certainly now his focus is based on raising in Doflamingo's expectations. so once more it would take a very major shift or a very sudden revelation to give him that dream. Both these things are commonly thought to be vital for a SH crewmate.
And obviously there's the fact that his power is a lot like Luffy's. And in part because of that, it's not really that interesting to have in a crewmate.
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I like the idea. However, wasn't the purpose of this thread to reduce the mods' workload by relegating all the arguments about new crew members to one corner of the forums and let people have at it while the rest of the forums are left for more relevant discussions rather than have every thread devolve in nakama threads?
Sort of, but some people seem to get particularly agitated and/or aggressive regarding this topic, and finding a way to mitigate that also falls on us.
Also, I can envision after a while the thread will start looking something like this:
Person 1: what about X for new nakama?
Person 2: refer to OP
Person 3: what about Y for new nakama?
person 4: refer to OPAt least the way it is now, I can enjoy the shortsightedness of some people.
I honestly don't think that will get lost, the option would just be there for when things get a little ridiculous.
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Robin was the same. Intially introduced to the whole crew and blowing up Igaram, but then shown to taunt Luffy and help him though the desert. Franky was some nameless evil dude (same as Robin pretty much), but then confronting Luffy in full force out in the open of W7.
Violet's already blew her mystique and moral quandaries of allegiance on Sanji.
It doesn't matter if it's a bad thing or not. Oda's already got a pattern.
Franky was introduced before he met Luffy, and was beating up Usopp at the time. The chapter title was "My Name is Franky". So he interacted with another crew member before meeting Luffy.
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The chances are 0,01 %
But I agree with you… Barto would be awesome... His ability is unqiue and would be very useful for the crew + his character is unique as well with his trolling and on the other hand his fangirl theme... And for me personally he is in this categories way above other candidates which have been discussed here around... Yeah character wise even more interesting as Jinbe...
But sadly the most important things for a nakama joining are not there and I doubt they will come...
...so far
0.01%? NoooOOooooooooooo! I'd say at least 1%!
I agree, there's not much interesting going on with Jinbei imo. Even after few chaps Barto seems much more interesting…
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Franky was introduced before he met Luffy, and was beating up Usopp at the time. The chapter title was "My Name is Franky". So he interacted with another crew member before meeting Luffy.
He was wearing a mask and not properly revealed at the time.
His first true entrance into the manga… was in front of Luffy.
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Sort of, but some people seem to get particularly agitated and/or aggressive regarding this topic, and finding a way to mitigate that also falls on us.
I honestly don't think that will get lost, the option would just be there for when things get a little ridiculous.
Personally I would think that the moderators should focus their energy on those who become overly aggressive, not their victims. The negative attitude in this forum has been a shock to me upon returning after several years. It's a discussion forum for goodness' sake, putting forward theories is FUN, and people should feel safe enough in this environment to do so without fear of being mocked. For example the fact that people feel obliged to write a disclaimer before their posts such as "please don't attack me for posting this theory, but …" shows how screwed up the culture here is. Also the air of superiority coming from some people "omfg you f***ing n00b someone posted that 50 pages ago can't you read what a waste of my time jesus". NO ONE should be verbally attacking people online like this yet I have seen numerous examples of this happening on here and no one being called out.
Yes, for some people thinking about One Piece is a fun pastime not their life's work. No, some people don't have time to read through every thread on here from page 1. Why exactly is that a crime? I don't want to come on here after a week of working 2 jobs and studying for my master's degree to get a response along the lines of "what are you thinking you absolute moron" etc. As usual it seems to be a select minority who is intimidating and creating this negative culture for the majority.
/RANT. Just my two cents...
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Personally I would think that the moderators should focus their energy on those who become overly aggressive, not their victims. The negative attitude in this forum has been a shock to me upon returning after several years. It's a discussion forum for goodness' sake, putting forward theories is FUN, and people should feel safe enough in this environment to do so without fear of being mocked. For example the fact that people feel obliged to write a disclaimer before their posts such as "please don't attack me for posting this theory, but …" shows how screwed up the culture here is. Also the air of superiority coming from some people "omfg you f***ing n00b someone posted that 50 pages ago can't you read what a waste of my time jesus". NO ONE should be verbally attacking people online like this yet I have seen numerous examples of this happening on here and no one being called out.
Yes, for some people thinking about One Piece is a fun pastime not their life's work. No, some people don't have time to read through every thread on here from page 1. Why exactly is that a crime? I don't want to come on here after a week of working 2 jobs and studying for my master's degree to get a response along the lines of "what are you thinking you absolute moron" etc. As usual it seems to be a select minority who is intimidating and creating this negative culture for the majority.
/RANT. Just my two cents...
Because some people actually want to have constructive debates about what will actually happen in the series, rather than be derailed by pointless suggestions that have no chance of happening. We have threads to talk about things you think would be cool, or want to happen, but for people who want intelligent discussion of a series, you need to have evidence and proper reasoning to back up your theory. There are tons of other places on the internet to go if you just want fun, random discussions about things both sides know will never happen. There aren't many where people can actually have a cool, intelligent discussion about topics like One Piece
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@indigo~ink:
Personally I would think that the moderators should focus their energy on those who become overly aggressive, not their victims. The negative attitude in this forum has been a shock to me upon returning after several years. It's a discussion forum for goodness' sake, putting forward theories is FUN, and people should feel safe enough in this environment to do so without fear of being mocked. For example the fact that people feel obliged to write a disclaimer before their posts such as "please don't attack me for posting this theory, but …" shows how screwed up the culture here is. Also the air of superiority coming from some people "omfg you f***ing n00b someone posted that 50 pages ago can't you read what a waste of my time jesus". NO ONE should be verbally attacking people online like this yet I have seen numerous examples of this happening on here and no one being called out.
Yes, for some people thinking about One Piece is a fun pastime not their life's work. No, some people don't have time to read through every thread on here from page 1. Why exactly is that a crime? I don't want to come on here after a week of working 2 jobs and studying for my master's degree to get a response along the lines of "what are you thinking you absolute moron" etc. As usual it seems to be a select minority who is intimidating and creating this negative culture for the majority.
/RANT. Just my two cents...
This, this is the post. Thank you. I've noticed the same thing on my own return. Like I said in previous posts, this forum is turning into the bar in Jaya. Getting laughed at and taunted every which way. It seems like people can't speak their minds for fear of getting bashed. Their are many people passionate about this series, me included, but come on lets be civil here.
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If you feel excessively bashed/mocked/insulted by a particular User you can simply put him/her in your ignore list (vBulletin Forums usually have this option, is it active here too?). Or report him/her to a mod. Or just build a brigde and get over it and don't feel unnecessarly bad about words on a screen written by an anonymous source.
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Because some people actually want to have constructive debates about what will actually happen in the series, rather than be derailed by pointless suggestions that have no chance of happening. We have threads to talk about things you think would be cool, or want to happen, but for people who want intelligent discussion of a series, you need to have evidence and proper reasoning to back up your theory. There are tons of other places on the internet to go if you just want fun, random discussions about things both sides know will never happen. There aren't many where people can actually have a cool, intelligent discussion about topics like One Piece
Boo on you, I should be able to freely express whatever idea that immediately POPs in my head without any substantial backing to fulfill my wishful whims of the narrative. Now come at me:
-I want Bellamy to join. Even though his powers are about 95% identical to Luffy's and would add absolutely nothing to the table in terms of fights, I think he would still be cool as a crewmember. Just because I like his character change since Jaya.
-I want Rebecca to join. Even though she's essentially the Vivi of this arc, I think she would make a great addition because BOOBS. Period.
-I want Barto to join. Even though he already has a crew and would add nothing to the SHs, I think he would make a cool crew member BECAUSE….um because...he's Luffy asskisser. Yeaaah that's right. I want him to be Luffy's bitch the entire time.
-I want the toy soldier to join because...um...uh...just because... he's a toy. Who cares about his relationship with Vi-err Rebecca.
-I want Violet because...BOOBS + Sanji. Yeah Oda's going to drop the Sanji + Woman gag and have him go steady.
-I want Baby5 because...(do I really need to keep posting the same reason for every female out there?)
-I want (insert Dwarf name here) because they're dwarfs. Got nothing more than that to substantiate my claim. Just because they're dwarves.
-I want Monet because I'm a hopeless person.Oh and I don't want Jinbei because he's fat. Even though Oda has foreshadowed him joining (foreshadowed being an understatement for "blatantly obvious"), I still don't think he'll join. Nope.
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The Straw Hats should have a designated "talent scout" on their crew, so that they can streamline this whole process of finding New Nakama. Also, I just realized that if you put together "New" and "Nakama" you get Newkama.
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Usopp says hello. I expect him to learn alot of plant stuff from the Dwarves by the end of the arc, but I can't imagine one joining just for that.
You make it sound like it isn't a big deal or rather that it couldn't be a big deal. Usopp learned about plants but more specifically Pop Greens for 2 years. That doesn't make him an expert in botany…just Pop Greens. When will he have time to learn from the dwarves? They are going to the factory right now. I just don't see any long break where he can learn a great deal more about plants. With an official gardener, Usopp, Nami, and Robin can focus on other things around the ship because they can trust the dwarf will take care of it. They already have an area where the dwarf can operate and expand other herbs, food, and plants.
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Oh and I don't want Jinbei because he's fat. Even though Oda has foreshadowed him joining (foreshadowed being an understatement for "blatantly obvious"), I still don't think he'll join. Nope.
I've honestly just never been able to get into Jinbei. I don't know what it is. Just never really liked him for some reason.
Yeah, chances are that he will join. Doesn't mean ya gotta be happy about it.
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You make it sound like it isn't a big deal or rather that it couldn't be a big deal. Usopp learned about plants but more specifically Pop Greens for 2 years. That doesn't make him an expert in botany…just Pop Greens. When will he have time to learn from the dwarves? They are going to the factory right now. I just don't see any long break where he can learn a great deal more about plants. With an official gardener, Usopp, Nami, and Robin can focus on other things around the ship because they can trust the dwarf will take care of it. They already have an area where the dwarf can operate and expand other herbs, food, and plants.
How is this even a relevant position on the ship? It's two mikan trees, a flower bed and a few pop green plants. The mikan trees and the flower bed are there as a hobby for nami and robin, respectively and I'm sure usopp can manage watering what looks like 10 sq ft of plants. Most of the time people aren't even aware this part of the ship exists. Hell, Oda didn't even think about representing where usopp got his pop greens from until someone asked him in an SBS. Basing a character joining the crew around the fact that their only usefulness is watering a few plants is a weak argument. Seriously, how many times has Oda mentioned nami's mikan trees in the series? Less than a handful of times. And they've been in the series since after the arlong park arc.
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How is this even a relevant position on the ship?
To be fair, it's more practical than Robin's role in the ship (though Robin's role is more oriented towards being more convenient for the plot rather than the ship's functionality). Still, it's a fairly weak argument considering how we can make a similar argument for um…Jora or someone (She can brighten the ship by painting it or something...hurrah...)
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Jinbe is all the evidence one needs to assert that any future crewmates can just be fighters.
You know, people who fight. Like Zoro. And Jinbe.
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Boo on you, I should be able to freely express whatever idea that immediately POPs in my head without any substantial backing to fulfill my wishful whims of the narrative. Now come at me:
-I want Bellamy to join. Even though his powers are about 95% identical to Luffy's and would add absolutely nothing to the table in terms of fights, I think he would still be cool as a crewmember. Just because I like his character change since Jaya.
-I want Rebecca to join. Even though she's essentially the Vivi of this arc, I think she would make a great addition because BOOBS. Period.
-I want Barto to join. Even though he already has a crew and would add nothing to the SHs, I think he would make a cool crew member BECAUSE….um because...he's Luffy asskisser. Yeaaah that's right. I want him to be Luffy's bitch the entire time.
-I want the toy soldier to join because...um...uh...just because... he's a toy. Who cares about his relationship with Vi-err Rebecca.
-I want Violet because...BOOBS + Sanji. Yeah Oda's going to drop the Sanji + Woman gag and have him go steady.
-I want Baby5 because...(do I really need to keep posting the same reason for every female out there?)
-I want (insert Dwarf name here) because they're dwarfs. Got nothing more than that to substantiate my claim. Just because they're dwarves.
-I want Monet because I'm a hopeless person.Oh and I don't want Jinbei because he's fat. Even though Oda has foreshadowed him joining (foreshadowed being an understatement for "blatantly obvious"), I still don't think he'll join. Nope.
SO basically, what you're saying is that you respect people's opinions, but only if they align with your own views on how the world should work. It's my opinion that there should be places to discuss intelligently the creative process behind One Piece. If you want to make up shitty fanfiction catering only to what you want, go somewhere else. Nobody here is stopping you. Nobody is forcing you to post here. There is no such thing as a place that can cater to everyone. There are tons of places that cater to what you're describing. Why should people who want something else not be allowed to have there own place?
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To be fair, it's more practical than Robin's role in the ship (though Robin's role is more oriented towards being more convenient for the plot rather than the ship's functionality). Still, it's a fairly weak argument considering how we can make a similar argument for um…Jora or someone (She can brighten the ship by painting it or something...hurrah...)
Well, Robin is also the ship's historian as well as a walking plot exposition.
Personally, the only characters I can see joining (besides Jinbei) are Momonosuke for cabin boy/Dwarf Princess for pigheaded female botanist dwarf lady thing. But neither have a solid push towards NN quite yet, so I'm just sitting back and enjoying the story as Oda writes it.
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How is this even a relevant position on the ship? It's two mikan trees, a flower bed and a few pop green plants. The mikan trees and the flower bed are there as a hobby for nami and robin, respectively and I'm sure usopp can manage watering what looks like 10 sq ft of plants. Most of the time people aren't even aware this part of the ship exists. Hell, Oda didn't even think about representing where usopp got his pop greens from until someone asked him in an SBS. Basing a character joining the crew around the fact that their only usefulness is watering a few plants is a weak argument. Seriously, how many times has Oda mentioned nami's mikan trees in the series? Less than a handful of times. And they've been in the series since after the arlong park arc.
Calm down, buddy. I didn't say the dwarf would join JUST to water there little section of plants. I am suggesting the dwarf would expand upon the garden adding useful seeds and plants from Green Bit AND from other places as time goes on. Maybe the dwarf's dream is to collect unseen plants even to the dwarves. Go see and collect seeds from the Treasure Tree Adam and Sunlight Tree Eve. Another possible dream is to continue the legacy of Montblanc Noland, their legendary hero. Go out and find substantial proof to undo the unjust smearing of his name. I've stated the reasons why I think a gardener dwarf could help the crew in previous posts. I'm just guessing. All the obvious positions are filled. Just thinking kind of outside of the box…maybe.
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To be fair, it's more practical than Robin's role in the ship (though Robin's role is more oriented towards being more convenient for the plot rather than the ship's functionality). Still, it's a fairly weak argument considering how we can make a similar argument for um…Jora or someone (She can brighten the ship by painting it or something...hurrah...)
It's a weak argument if all the gardener does is water their 3 plants and nothing else. I feel the plant world as a whole is untapped in terms of the Strawhats using it's resources.
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Calm down, buddy. I didn't say the dwarf would join JUST to water there little section of plants. I am suggesting the dwarf would expand upon the garden adding useful seeds and plants from Green Bit AND from other places as time goes on. Maybe the dwarf's dream is to collect unseen plants even to the dwarves. Go see and collect seeds from the Treasure Tree Adam and Sunlight Tree Eve.
Usopp is the plant guy.
Why would there be two plant guys.
Especially when having a plant guy isn't even whatsoever important (navigator, chef, archaeologist, shipwright, doctor) or mentioned ever (musician).
If there's a reason you want to force a dwarf on board in your imagined version of One Piece future, you better come up with a better one. Because that's never gonna be it.Another possible dream is to continue the legacy of Montblanc Noland, their legendary hero.
His legacy is what?
Go out and find substantial proof to undo the unjust smearing of his name.
Yeah we met that character already, and already had that plot go from start to finish.
I've stated the reasons why I think a gardener dwarf could help the crew in previous posts. I'm just guessing. All the obvious positions are filled. Just thinking kind of outside of the box…maybe.
Why?
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Well, Robin is also the ship's historian as well as a walking plot exposition.
Personally, the only characters I can see joining (besides Jinbei) are Momonosuke for cabin boy/Dwarf Princess for pigheaded female botanist dwarf lady thing. But neither have a solid push towards NN quite yet, so I'm just sitting back and enjoying the story as Oda writes it.
Luffy will not allow a cabin boy on his crew and a princess… This is the New World If somebody else joins besides Jimbi he will probably be another Zoro
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Boo on you, I should be able to freely express whatever idea that immediately POPs in my head without any substantial backing to fulfill my wishful whims of the narrative. Now come at me:
-I want Bellamy to join. Even though his powers are about 95% identical to Luffy's and would add absolutely nothing to the table in terms of fights, I think he would still be cool as a crewmember. Just because I like his character change since Jaya.
-I want Rebecca to join. Even though she's essentially the Vivi of this arc, I think she would make a great addition because BOOBS. Period.
-I want Barto to join. Even though he already has a crew and would add nothing to the SHs, I think he would make a cool crew member BECAUSE….um because...he's Luffy asskisser. Yeaaah that's right. I want him to be Luffy's bitch the entire time.
-I want the toy soldier to join because...um...uh...just because... he's a toy. Who cares about his relationship with Vi-err Rebecca.
-I want Violet because...BOOBS + Sanji. Yeah Oda's going to drop the Sanji + Woman gag and have him go steady.
-I want Baby5 because...(do I really need to keep posting the same reason for every female out there?)
-I want (insert Dwarf name here) because they're dwarfs. Got nothing more than that to substantiate my claim. Just because they're dwarves.
-I want Monet because I'm a hopeless person.Oh and I don't want Jinbei because he's fat. Even though Oda has foreshadowed him joining (foreshadowed being an understatement for "blatantly obvious"), I still don't think he'll join. Nope.
SO basically, what you're saying is that you respect people's opinions, but only if they align with your own views on how the world should work. It's my opinion that there should be places to discuss intelligently the creative process behind One Piece. If you want to make up shitty fanfiction catering only to what you want, go somewhere else. Nobody here is stopping you. Nobody is forcing you to post here. There is no such thing as a place that can cater to everyone. There are tons of places that cater to what you're describing. Why should people who want something else not be allowed to have there own place?
I'm still baffled as to how people can misinterpret obvious sarcasm like this.
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Oh, didn't realize that was Valiantt. For some reason I thought it was the person who started this discussion
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Luffy will not allow a cabin boy on his crew and a princess… This is the New World If somebody else joins besides Jimbi he will probably be another Zoro
huh…? w-why...?
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Oh, didn't realize that was Valiantt. For some reason I thought it was the person who started this discussion
yeaaaah I was reading your post and scratching my head. Wasn't quiet sure what was going on and I figured you lost your marbles. Maybe this lack of avatar might be a factor in this.
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huh…? w-why...?
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yeaaaah I was reading your post and scratching my head. Wasn't quiet sure what was going on and I figured you lost your marbles. Maybe this lack of avatar might be a factor in this.
Yeah, I think that's why. It's a lot easier to remember distinct avatars than names, since I don't tend to give them more than a glance
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huh…? w-why...?
C'mon Valiantt this is the New World, Paradise was the place to gather people who can help to run the ship (Jimbie is actually from Paradise) and the NW is meant to take things more serious also is there a position that the SHs actually need?
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C'mon Valiantt this is the New World, Paradise was the place to gather people who can help to run the ship (Jimbie is actually from Paradise) and the NW is meant to take things more serious also is there a position that the SHs actually need?
Isn't the Tournament generally indicative of what the NW consists of on a general level? So far I've only seen a lot more goofiness than solid green solemness (aka Zoro). If anything, the NW has been fairly goofy so far with a fair amount of seriousness with it (aka CC is a perfect example fairly serious concept/premise with a remarkably goofy presentation).
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Luffy said he wanted 10 nakama so I'm assuming there are just 2 more new nakama left. Strength-wise i would assume those nakama would be between the monster trio and middle trio (possibly Jimbei, if he joins during big mom arc), and the other between middle trio and weakling trio. Or there might just be a middle quartet and weakling quartet.
Now we just need someone in this arc that fits between weakling trio and middle trio.
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Isn't the Tournament generally indicative of what the NW consists of on a general level? So far I've only seen a lot more goofiness than solid green solemness (aka Zoro). If anything, the NW has been fairly goofy so far with a fair amount of seriousness with it (aka CC is a perfect example fairly serious concept/premise with a remarkably goofy presentation).
It has its moments as of now things have been pretty goofy as you said but things hasn't really go down yet, we're going to enter a cat and mouse kinda game, where the SHs will be/should be in constant danger everywhere they go or at least I expect it to be this way
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To be fair, it's more practical than Robin's role in the ship (though Robin's role is more oriented towards being more convenient for the plot rather than the ship's functionality). Still, it's a fairly weak argument considering how we can make a similar argument for um…Jora or someone (She can brighten the ship by painting it or something...hurrah...)
There is some historical precedence to her being on the ship. ships during the 1800s had a anthropologist, archaeologist or some sort of philosopher to keep the captain company on long trips (at least British ships did) due to the fact that the crew was discouraged from talking to the captain due to class structures. Most famous one I remember is Darwin on his trip to the galapagos. The primary reason he was on the ship was to keep the captain company. I'm not saying Oda was thinking about this when he came up with a reason for robin to join the crew but she essentially serves this position on the ship i.e. informing Luffy about stuff he doesn't know about, which admittedly is a lot of stuff. So it is somewhat practical in terms of her being on the ship.
@BeariousJones
Didn't mean to come off as aggressive, sorry about that. The plants thing, in my opinion, is still a weak argument to be honest, even if it's presented as some sort of goal for a character. If a character like this does in fact exist, what would their purpose be on the ship? I can see that you mentioned such a character maybe introducing useful plants but then what about after that? I guess a botanist would be somewhat useful on a ship that goes to random islands but chopper is already somewhat adept at identifying plants so this aspect would overlap. Perhaps Oda might introduce a mechanic that would make a botanist useful but otherwise, his/her skills would be wasted in the present setting. As for redeeming Noland, as far as I can tell, the dwarves aren't even aware that Noland is the laughing stock of the world and even his own descendent, cricket, didn't really care for convincing the world otherwise about Noland's reputation. At present, the dwarves honor Noland as a hero who protected them, and that's about it. Maybe they're aware of this travels to Jaya, maybe not but to them Noland's an unquestionable hero. I would expect them to have some form of carelessness towards what other people think of Noland since their opponents from 400 years ago would've had a negative view of him. Also, the audience is already aware that Noland is a respectable man so a character changing the world's opinion on one man doesn't really contribute anything to the overall progression of the story. The pertinent ideas from Noland's known travels, Shandora and it's poneglyph, are already being addressed in the form of Robin trying to learn about the Void Century. -
There is some historical precedence to her being on the ship. ships during the 1800s had a anthropologist, archaeologist or some sort of philosopher to keep the captain company on long trips (at least British ships did) due to the fact that the crew was discouraged from talking to the captain due to class structures. Most famous one I remember is Darwin on his trip to the galapagos. The primary reason he was on the ship was to keep the captain company. I'm not saying Oda was thinking about this when he came up with a reason for robin to join the crew but she essentially serves this position on the ship i.e. informing Luffy about stuff he doesn't know about, which admittedly is a lot of stuff. So it is somewhat practical in terms of her being on the ship.
In general too having scientist/scholar types on ships wasn't out of the question either. Lots of good work got done by dudes voyaging around and documenting this and that.
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@Monkey:
Usopp is the plant guy.
Why would there be two plant guys.
Especially when having a plant guy isn't even whatsoever important (navigator, chef, archaeologist, shipwright, doctor) or mentioned ever (musician).
If there's a reason you want to force a dwarf on board in your imagined version of One Piece future, you better come up with a better one. Because that's never gonna be it.Hmm…you bring up a decent point on being two plant guys. But I never said the dwarf was going to use the plants in combat. Just help expand the garden on the ship with useful plants. Archaelogist isn't important in terms of a pirate crew for everyday things. It is important though for the history of the world which was made important for the One Piece world.
I thought this section was for what each member thought was a possible nakama and their reasoning behind it, no? If it doesn't happen which you are assuring me it won't then so be it. I was wrong. Life goes on. But I'm stating what I think could happen from reading Oda's imagination. I don't have his imagination or logic. I have mine to use and see if I can guess from what I have read and seen from his grand story.
By the way...who do you think will join next outside of Jinbe? Someone from this arc? Future arc? Never? I see more of you critiqueinng others' ideas/guesses then actually giving any of your own.
His legacy is what?
Be a botanist and doctor like him. I know there is a doctor already and that's why I stated Leo as the surgeon using his DF powers.
Yeah we met that character already, and already had that plot go from start to finish.
Montblanc Cricket hasn't changed the world's perspective of Noland. He just proved to himself that Noland wasn't a liar. Liar Noland still exists with no edits stating that the story itself is fabricated.
Why?
For fun. To test myself in my One Piece prediction. To see what people think…though it isn't exactly as I thought it would be. I mean I know people will disagree and provide why they don't think my theory is correct. If someone stumps me into providing why they think Oda will not do it then I have to accept it.
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There is some historical precedence to her being on the ship. ships during the 1800s had a anthropologist, archaeologist or some sort of philosopher to keep the captain company on long trips (at least British ships did) due to the fact that the crew was discouraged from talking to the captain due to class structures. Most famous one I remember is Darwin on his trip to the galapagos. The primary reason he was on the ship was to keep the captain company. I'm not saying Oda was thinking about this when he came up with a reason for robin to join the crew but she essentially serves this position on the ship i.e. informing Luffy about stuff he doesn't know about, which admittedly is a lot of stuff. So it is somewhat practical in terms of her being on the ship.
@BeariousJones
Didn't mean to come off as aggressive, sorry about that. The plants thing, in my opinion, is still a weak argument to be honest, even if it's presented as some sort of goal for a character. If a character like this does in fact exist, what would their purpose be on the ship? I can see that you mentioned such a character maybe introducing useful plants but then what about after that? I guess a botanist would be somewhat useful on a ship that goes to random islands but chopper is already somewhat adept at identifying plants so this aspect would overlap. Perhaps Oda might introduce a mechanic that would make a botanist useful but otherwise, his/her skills would be wasted in the present setting. As for redeeming Noland, as far as I can tell, the dwarves aren't even aware that Noland is the laughing stock of the world and even his own descendent, cricket, didn't really care for convincing the world otherwise about Noland's reputation. At present, the dwarves honor Noland as a hero who protected them, and that's about it. Maybe they're aware of this travels to Jaya, maybe not but to them Noland's an unquestionable hero. I would expect them to have some form of carelessness towards what other people think of Noland since their opponents from 400 years ago would've had a negative view of him. Also, the audience is already aware that Noland is a respectable man so a character changing the world's opinion on one man doesn't really contribute anything to the overall progression of the story. The pertinent ideas from Noland's known travels, Shandora and it's poneglyph, are already being addressed in the form of Robin trying to learn about the Void Century.No probs my fellow One Piece fan.
I wish I read your post about archaeologist and MonkeyKing's post about scholars before my last post. Oh well.
Chopper has plant knowledge that centers around his medical practice so healing and poisonous plants mainly. Yeah some overlap will happen but…so what? Knowledge of a subject is bound to overlap in one way or another. I'm sure at least one other Strawhat can cook but of course no where near as good as Sanji. Which is the point that they are on two different levels in botany. Like PhD professor and a high school student. Chopper can use the plants to treat infections, diseases, and wounds but the dwarf's wealth of knowledge and uses of the plant kingdom would supercede Chopper's knowledge making the role important and unique enough to be considered I think.
As far as Noland's concern, maybe the dwarves find out when they figure out Usopp is lying about being a descendant. It would take only one dwarf who is so inspired by Noland the Hero's impact on his/her life that he/she goes out to correct history. I think the collecting rare plant life is more feasible than the Noland dream. Was just giving an example. Don't know enough about the dwarves individually yet. But I'm just throwing darts at the board and seeing what sticks. I mean dreamwise...what is so special about Brook's? Go see Laboon after 50 odd years. He could do that right now. I guess he wants stories to bring back to Laboon. I think as long as the dream is positive, inspiring, has a unique factor, and requires travel it is Strawhat approved.
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Because some people actually want to have constructive debates about what will actually happen in the series, rather than be derailed by pointless suggestions that have no chance of happening. We have threads to talk about things you think would be cool, or want to happen, but for people who want intelligent discussion of a series, you need to have evidence and proper reasoning to back up your theory. There are tons of other places on the internet to go if you just want fun, random discussions about things both sides know will never happen. There aren't many where people can actually have a cool, intelligent discussion about topics like One Piece
I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree with you. I definitely enjoy reading everyone's well-thought-out theories, and I appreciate what you mean about critical discussion. That's pretty much the only reason I am on this forum after all. And no I'm not encouraging random nonsense posts, thanks for that valiantt. The point I was trying to make was that you can have these kind of in-depth, intelligent discussions without the insults and name calling. This hasn't really even happened to me, I've just seen it around a lot, and I can't say it doesn't bother me seeing some people dish out verbal abuse to well-meaning others for no real reason. Do you get what I mean? Sorry if I came across as overly annoyed, it just seems so rude to me that it shouldn't be happening. (But I am from New Zealand where everyone is extremely non-confrontational )
EDIT: I'm getting off-topic. Personally, I don't really think a plant guy is necessary as I agree others already have this covered.
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Hmm…you bring up a decent point on being two plant guys. But I never said the dwarf was going to use the plants in combat.
Oh of course, medicine! Oh wait, we already have that character.
Or maybe in cooking? Nope nope, we have that guy too.
Maybe some sort of hobbyist gardener of no use to anybody, yes surely this is one of the characters Oda will create for the all important main cast.Just help expand the garden on the ship with useful plants.
And this is exactly why I told you to drop this whole line of thought and concoct some other position to cram a dwarf on the crew.
Because that is never in a million years going to be a position.Archaelogist isn't important in terms of a pirate crew for everyday things.
This is a stupid argument since you and I both know how obscenely important Robin is to the crew and story (not to mention as we've just said, having scholars aboard ships wasn't unheard of at all).
Unless you also think a hobby gardener is somehow going to actually be super important in a non-traditional way lol.I thought this section was for what each member thought was a possible nakama and their reasoning behind it, no?
Let me get this straight.
You're surprised that in a discussion forum…people are discussing?
Because otherwise it kind of sounds like you imagine this to be a communal blog where everyone just leaves comments with out talking about other people's comments.
Or do you think something ridiculous like, that people should only post agreements.If it doesn't happen which you are assuring me it won't then so be it. I was wrong. Life goes on.
But I'm stating what I think could happen from reading Oda's imagination. I don't have his imagination or logic. I have mine to use and see if I can guess from what I have read and seen from his grand story.
It's more than imagination, it's knowing technique and common sense as well.
What kink in the chain has made you think an extremely unneeded, unmentioned, and hell…supplementary (as in he just grows stuff for other people to use, not himself), and essentially already filled position..would exist on the crew? For a dwarf character that has not even appeared? Or in the case of the ones that have...not really done anything but have a few lines with almost no spotlight cast on them?By the way…who do you think will join next outside of Jinbe? Someone from this arc? Future arc? Never? I see more of you critiqueinng others' ideas/guesses then actually giving any of your own.
So if I don't rush to jump off a bridge with nothing under it but an abyss, there's something wrong with me? Interesting theory.
Be a botanist and doctor like him. I know there is a doctor already and that's why I stated Leo as the surgeon using his DF powers.
This is what I mean by fan-fiction, you tell me you're thinking like Oda, yet just kind of trample any Oda presented information that isn't convenient to you.
Oh? Two people already perfectly handle these two things? And just spent two entire years getting even better at them? Never matter! We need someone else to also do them.
Like honestly the surgeon thing is even less sensible than the botanist thing. Because that is quite literally totally covered by Chopper.
You're just ignoring the manga at this point to suggest that one.
If it does not fit, it does not fit.Montblanc Cricket hasn't changed the world's perspective of Noland. He just proved to himself that Noland wasn't a liar. Liar Noland still exists with no edits stating that the story itself is fabricated.
The world has a perspective of him? All we ever heard about him was that he was known in the North Blue. Robin is from West Blue, and everyone else (sans Chopper) is from East Blue in Jaya. None of them knew anything about the story. It's a total non-issue, just a minor historical shame in one region of the world of no importance (recall Sanji knew the story, and reacted indifferent to every part of the redemption narrative).
The one place where it DID matter was with his descendents, with Cricket. That was Cricket's issue to bear and resolve with himself.
The Norland Redemption narrative ended with Cricket telling Masira and Shoujou that their Jaya adventure was over.Him having some freak popularity on one island of dwarves has nothing at all to do with it. And it would be a really terrible dream for the main cast.
"IM GOING TO STAND ATOP THE WORLD"
"IM GOING TO BE THE STRONGEST SWORDSMAN"
"I WILL CHART THE WHOLE EARTH"
"I WILL BE A MAN OF HONOR"
"I WILL FIND A MYSTICAL SEA"
"I WILL FIND THE CURE FOR EVERYTHING"
"I WILL DISCOVER THE LOST FORBIDDEN HISTORY"
"I WILL BUILD AND SAIL THE SHIP TO MAKE THE GREATEST QUEST"
"I WILL REUNITE EVEN AFTER DEATH WITH A DEAR FRIEND"
"I WILL correct a children's book's historical issues :)" -
Well, for heated debate above my post, i just want to say that, i also see Monkey King's posts sometimes like a boxer trying to land a finishing blow, instead of just a boxer's trainer who jab and hook you but still let you get up on your feet. (i dont know what i'm trying to say here >.<) My point is, um, just take it with a pinch of salt and just see his/her points, thats all i'm trying to say, i think.
Personally, i agreed with someone from a few pages behind in my opinion about dwarf, Oda will have difficulties trying to draw the line up of the crew, because of their size.
But then again, its always Luffy who invite the next crew, and IIRC, Luffy doesnt have any direct interaction with any of the dwarves yet, so i dont see any dwarf joining in right now. Of course it can be changed later as the story progress, but for now, i dont see it as a viable option.
And no, please not Rebecca. Any girl or anyone but her.