Did you forget Iva's power? He could marry Empress Hancock and become a Prince Regent - then talk to Iva and change to a princess regent - Monachy's are fun.
Then Luffyko can marry Sanji(Prince).
Did you forget Iva's power? He could marry Empress Hancock and become a Prince Regent - then talk to Iva and change to a princess regent - Monachy's are fun.
Then Luffyko can marry Sanji(Prince).
Then Luffyko can marry Sanji(Prince).
I don't think I really need to be having this conversation …
Prior to her fight with Zoro/the marines, Monet was seen helping Law, throwing a note to Chopper(we now assume this was Law but it wasnt addressed), she has several attributes that no:wne of the straw hats possess, and to this point her motives/character has not been explained at all, (why is she half bird?), so yea her poisoning children pretyy much counts her out, but its pretty silly to call people dumb for thinking she was nakama material because she was obviously written for that purpose
Prior to her fight with Zoro/the marines, Monet was seen helping Law, throwing a note to Chopper(we now assume this was Law but it wasnt addressed), she has several attributes that no:wub:ne of the straw hats possess, and to this point her motives/character has not been explained at all, (why is she half bird?), so yea her poisoning children pretyy much counts her out, but its pretty silly to call people dumb for thinking she was nakama material because she was obviously written for that purpose
Are you fucking KIDDING lol ahahahaha.
That random goddamn goatman that was with Gedatsu when he fought Chopper had more crewmate potential writing than fucking Monet lol.
But dumbly enough…
-She helped Law because Law was an ally with Ceasar up to a point, did you completely not follow the Punk Hazard story?
-Law threw that note, it's obvious
-She's half bird because Law did that, like he did for tons of random fucking fodder characters on the island, shit, do you think Brownbeard is joining the crew??
People.Were.Dumb.
Not even a debate!
Prior to her fight with Zoro/the marines, Monet was seen helping Law, throwing a note to Chopper(we now assume this was Law but it wasnt addressed), she has several attributes that no:wub:ne of the straw hats possess, and to this point her motives/character has not been explained at all, (why is she half bird?), so yea her poisoning children pretyy much counts her out, but its pretty silly to call people dumb for thinking she was nakama material because she was obviously written for that purpose
-She helped Law because they were on the same side. That's it. Likewise, she also sat around and watched Vergo beat the crap out of Law too.
-Plot-wise, Monet throwing Chopper the note makes absolutely NO sense. If it were to be anyone, Law makes the most sense in the situation.
-What attributes? There's nothing special about Monet besides being a Harpy hybrid with glasses (as well as being a complete psychopath).
-She is half bird because of Law (assumption, but a safe one).
-It is not silly to call Monet supporters idiots AFTER realizing that Monet poisoned kids and…yeah bit chunks out of people. If folks want to STILL support her after that fact is made apparent, then they're clearly delusional.
@Monkey:
That's what I don't get, see you WANT her to join. That's all but admitting you think the story should precede in that direction based on what we know about her now. Which is for all intents and purposes the same as saying you think she should join.
Ok whats your point?
all Im saying is that I like her and want her to join.
Whether or not she is a likely candidate is not my point, which is what you have been arguing with me about and I really don't know why
Yes, suggesting that you thought she had a chance.
stating that I want her to join means that I said she has a good chance?
Lol your making no sense
Don't bring her up is what it does.
I can bring up the fact that I want her to join if I like and this does not destroy my argument.
If you haven't developed even a halfway decent sense of Oda's writing by now I don't know what to tell you.
You don't know Rebecca's needs so stop assuming.
Well that's easy. Substantiate it with literally anything.
Yes, you can also try and do as most of us do and use Oda's writing styles to try and predict things.
I have already.
You're under the impression that speculation should ignore what we know, for what we might not know.
That's like the inverse of critical thinking.
Like it or not, what we have to judge on, is not assumption. It's the hard material of the moment.
What you call hard material is your assumptions
Nobody disagrees with that. They disagree on his personality. Frankly I kinda agree that he's a little flat on personality (though legions ahead of someone with literally none like Rebecca). Oda's idea of a team involves many strange shapes and types, that is the One Piece way.
Rebecca has literally nothing like that.
You say rebecca has nothing like that because you assume so. You don't know enough about her to judge.
Except hon, I wasn't just randomly saying it.
Yeah and I wasn't saying it randomly either
You want her to, don't you? That's good enough for me.
Yes, I want her but I never said she has a good chance.
Saboady had no antagonist. It wasn't even really a storyline in of itself, so much as a gas station between many various other story arcs.
Do you know what the word Antagonist means? lol
Antagonist-the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work: Iago is the antagonist of Othello.
The Marines fit this description.
Because the storyline in Marineford was wildly different from the standard One Piece storyline, and that's one of the major reasons why. But certainly not the only one.
Point being, you can't use it to try and say that the pattern Brennen mentioned doesn't exist.
Ok but when that happens Luffy usually sets his mind on a person he literally wants to beat but that hasn't happened yet. Their main goal isn't even to defeat doflamingo, it's just to make him step down, but we do not know if that would help Rebecca.
It's based on actual material in the series. Sorry, that's better than literally nothing.
It's still an assumption.
Ok whats your point?
all Im saying is that I like her and want her to join.
Whether or not she is a likely candidate is not my point, which is what you have been arguing with me about and I really don't know why
Wanting to have her join is ridiculous too I guess is my point.
I mean what do you think the crew is? Just a depository for random side characters you like?
You don't know Rebecca's needs so stop assuming.
Neither do you.
I have already.
Oh really, where was that?
What you call hard material is your assumptions
We know she has some relation to two different people with grudges against Doflamingo. Toyman and Ricky.
This ties her to the island and current plot. Not to a larger plot.
You say rebecca has nothing like that because you assume so. You don't know enough about her to judge.
You don't get to use nonexistant things to argue against what we know. You're argument is LITERALLY "We don't know she isn't interesting! Next chapter maybe she'll be interesting!". A thing that is nonexistant as of now. Versus…gee, her not being interesting as far as we know.
What we know vs. what might not be known.
Yeah and I wasn't saying it randomly either
Really then? Explain it.
Yes, I want her but I never said she has a good chance.
You're so very obviously biding your time for her to have her plot more played out before you for real argue her inclusion.
Do you know what the word Antagonist means? lol
Do YOU lol?
Antagonist-the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work: Iago is the antagonist of Othello.
The Marines fit this description.The antagonist is a focused entity within a storyline, in contrast to our focused hero.
Saobody had no such structure in the first place, we run into various antagonist figures like the World Nobles, Disco, Kizaru, and Sentomaru. But there is no CENTRAL antagonist. Thus leading to the point, which is like Marineford, Saobody is NOT a normal example of a One Piece storyline. So you have no point in pointing it out.Ok but when that happens Luffy usually sets his mind on a person he literally wants to beat but that hasn't happened yet. Their main goal isn't even to defeat doflamingo, it's just to make him step down, but we do not know if that would help Rebecca.
When has Luffy ever NOT ended up wanting to kick the ass of the big bad, no matter what his main motive. God Ener as exhibit A.
-She helped Law because they were on the same side. That's it. Likewise, she also sat around and watched Vergo beat the crap out of Law too.
-Plot-wise, Monet throwing Chopper the note makes absolutely NO sense. If it were to be anyone, Law makes the most sense in the situation.
-What attributes? There's nothing special about Monet besides being a Harpy hybrid with glasses (as well as being a complete psychopath).
-She is half bird because of Law (assumption, but a safe one).
-It is not silly to call Monet supporters idiots AFTER realizing that Monet poisoned kids and…yeah bit chunks out of people. If folks want to STILL support her after that fact is made apparent, then they're clearly delusional.
Sure she's a psychopath and no longer an issue, but up until the point that was revealed, she was the most unique character introduced, and yet we know almost nothong about her, even now. Law making her a harpy is obvious but there is still very little ineraction between the two. She's a female logia with an original design and color scheme with limitless potential for backstory until her psychotic reveal, she was written to be a red herring. She is NOT the same as shirahoshi or Pauly, who could not be any farther from the same themselves.
I'm really curious why anyone would want Rebecca to join at this point at least? I'm desperately trying to be interested in her just so that I can get into her subplot, but her character design and personality are so generic and bland (really, compare her to just about any other character introduced this arc). I guess taste will always vary, but given how indistinct her design is, I would think people would wait until she showed some personality besides generically nice/lip-biting/crying to want her as main character.
I'm loving Bellamy's redemption, but I'm just not feeling him as a Strawhat.
She's a female logia with an original design and color scheme with limitless potential for backstory until her psychotic reveal, she was written to be a red herring.
I guess I can see why some people didn't think it was ridiculous to speculate (hey, who would have thought Robin would be on the crew when she was first introduced), but you really think Oda made her as a "red herring"? Oda makes tons of unique characters. But I guess he just can't make hot, interesting-looking female characters unless he wants them to be on the crew or "fool" the audience into thinking so.
Sure she's a psychopath and no longer an issue, but up until the point that was revealed, she was the most unique character introduced, and yet we know almost nothong about her, even now. Law making her a harpy is obvious but there is still very little ineraction between the two. She's a female logia with an original design and color scheme with limitless potential for backstory until her psychotic reveal, she was written to be a red herring. She is NOT the same as shirahoshi or Pauly, who could not be any farther from the same themselves.
Okay, I'm convinced this is a joke post. It takes me a while to get these sometimes. I'm so terrible at reading sarcasm.
Okay, I'm convinced this is a joke post. It takes me a while to get these sometimes. I'm so terrible at reading sarcasm.
Lawl I like how you just insult people without reaponding to anything they actually say.
I'm really curious why anyone would want Rebecca to join at this point at least? I'm desperately trying to be interested in her just so that I can get into her subplot, but her character design and personality are so generic and bland (really, compare her to just about any other character introduced this arc). I guess taste will always vary, but given how indistinct her design is, I would think people would wait until she showed some personality besides generically nice/lip-biting/crying to want her as main character.
People will always be speculating on the most interesting girl in the story at any given moment, no matter how little focus in story they get. Giant princess waifu failed. Harpy waifu failed. Maid waifu failed. Now we're on gladiator waifu. If it wasn't her it'd be Violet or that tiny dwarf girl. Every single one has "baseless evidence" and "at least some supporting evidence compared to that girl". Rebecca is flavor of the arc, and anyone who tears up gets bonus points.
I'm really curious why anyone would want Rebecca to join at this point at least? I'm desperately trying to be interested in her just so that I can get into her subplot, but her character design and personality are so generic and bland (really, compare her to just about any other character introduced this arc). I guess taste will always vary, but given how indistinct her design is, I would think people would wait until she showed some personality besides generically nice/lip-biting/crying to want her as main character.
I'm loving Bellamy's redemption, but I'm just not feeling him as a Strawhat.
I guess I can see why some people didn't think it was ridiculous to speculate (hey, who would have thought Robin would be on the crew when she was first introduced), but you really think Oda made her as a "red herring"? Oda makes tons of unique characters. But I guess he just can't make hot, interesting-looking female characters unless he wants them to be on the crew or "fool" the audience into thinking so.
Shes also a logia and a flyer, two things fans have been asking for for years.
Shes also a logia and a flyer, two things fans have been asking for for years.
Which is why Oda probably made her the Villian and such a horrific enabler of harming children - Because Oda isn't Kickstarting One Piece telling people they can have input in his decisions - He has the story timeline and crew done - so popular vote means nothing to him. Unless it is something he hasn't thought of - but in relation to the crew I'm sure he is sure.
but up until the point that was revealed, she was the most unique character introduced,
Because she had breasts? Ceaser, Brownbeard and especially Kinemon were all at least equally unique looking, with distinct personalities. And Momo who appeared a bit later.
and yet we know almost nothong about her, even now.
She's interested in astrology, wants to fly, and is okay working with badguys that experiment, poison and kill children. What else is to know?
She'll likely get the next cover story when she's revealed to be alive, so you'll get your extra info then.
Law making her a harpy is obvious but there is still very little ineraction between the two.
He gave half the employees on the island animal limbs. And he did so because he was in a partnership with Ceaser… not her. There's nothing unique there that doesn't also apply to Brownbeard.
She's a female logia
Smoker and Ceaser were logias in the same arc. So disqualifying that…
Breasts then?
with an original design
Brownbeard's is much more so. We've had bird people before (Like Pell and Lafitte) but we haven't had giant crocodile men with crazy braided beards.
and color scheme
Green hair! Just like Zoro! And Kokoro! And Chimney! And Caimie! And Makino!
with limitless potential for backstory
Brownbeard actually has a backstory. A tragic one at that. So does Kinemon and Momo, which is actually relevant to the plot. And Ceaser, who is actually still in the story and interacting with the crew in a humorous fashion and getting along with their antics!
The giant non-talking snake on Skypeia has more actually existant backstory than she does.
until her psychotic reveal, she was written to be a red herring.
Because being a badguy that's okay with expermenting on kids that works for a badguy is a red herring? Not every girl can be Robin.
She is NOT the same as shirahoshi or Pauly, who could not be any farther from the same themselves.
Yeah, Pauly actually had qualities that made him a potential candidate until Franky showed up.
Shes also a logia and a flyer, two things fans have been asking for for years.
Her logia reveal happened AFTER she was poisoning kids, and at pretty much the same time she started making her face into a toothy monster and biting people's shoulder's off. If that was really a motivator to root for her, it was a short lived one.
Brook is a ghost and Robin can fly, Franky can turn into a giant robot, and Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can all beat the snot out of logias now, as can any competent threat in the New World, so logia is… really not a thing. (Also, Caribou, Smoker, and Ceaser were also logias... why not them?)
And Oda has specifically said the strawhats won't ever have flying as an easy option. Robin's 5 second limit is about as much as they're gonna get.
Which is why Oda probably made her the Villian and such a horrific enabler of harming children - Because Oda isn't Kickstarting One Piece telling people they can have input in his decisions - He has the story timeline and crew done - so popular vote means nothing to him. Unless it is something he hasn't thought of - but in relation to the crew I'm sure he is sure.
I agree- my point is that Oda was without a doubt conscious of these things in relation to Monet, and no one should be made to feel stupid for picking up something that was put there on purpose. That said, Monet is evil now, I am not defending anyone that still wamts her in the crew.
Shes also a logia and a flyer, two things fans have been asking for for years.
Again, I can see why people would speculate or want it, but that's different from "purposefully written as a red herring." Did you consider that he wanted those traits to make a side villain with an interesting design and abilities? Or should he just have bland Rebeccas so as not to "trick" people? We have had plenty of male logia antagonists/side characters - why should it be assumed that a female one has to join the crew, before she ever even interacted with them?
@RobbyBevard:
Because she had breasts? Ceaser, Brownbeard and especially Kinemon were all at least equally unique. And Momo who appeared a bit later.
She's interested in astrology, wants to fly, and is okay working with badguys that experiment, poison and kill children. What else is to know?
She'll likely get the next cover story when she's revealed to be alive, so you'll get your extra info then.
He gave half the employees on the island animal legs. There's nothing unique there that doesn't also apply to Brownbeard.
Smoker and Ceaser were logias in the same arc. So disqualifying that…
So. Breasts then.Brownbeard's is much more so. We've had bird people before (Like Pell, and Lafitte) but we haven't had giant crocodile men with crazy braided beards.
Green hair! Just like Zoro!
Brownbeard actually has a backstory. A tragic one at that. So does Kinemon and Momo, which is actually relevant to the plot.
The giant non-talking snake on Skypeia has more actually existant backstory than she does.
Because being a badguy that works for a badguy is a red herring? Not every girl can be Robin.
Yeah, Pauly actually had qualities that made him a potential candidate until Franky showed up.
Her logia reveal happened AFTER she was poisoning kids, and at pretty much the same time she started making her face into a toothy monster and biting people's shoulder's off. If that was really a motivator to root for her, it was a short lived one.
Brook is a ghost and Robin can fly, Franky can turn into a giant robot, and Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can all beat the snot out of logias now, as can any competent threat in the New World, so logia is... really not a thing. (Also, Caribou, Smoker, and Ceaser were also logias... why not them?)
And Oda has specifically said the strawhats won't ever have flying as an easy option. Robin's 5 second limit is about as much as they're gonna get.
Good point about the last bit! Im not going to respond to all of this because you know youre splitting hairs (zoros hair is the same color as Monet's?…) Im not comparing Monet to Pauly because Pauly had 7-8+ volumes of more material. Pauly had as much potential as Monet in his first few chapters. Im not sure what you mean about Brownbeard/Ceasar/Smoker because they have none of the things Monet had. I agree about the cover story but I don't know why you assume pointing this stuff out makes me a fanboy.
--- Update From New Post Merge ---
Again, I can see why people would speculate or want it, but that's different from "purposefully written as a red herring." Did you consider that he wanted those traits to make a side villain with an interesting design and abilities? Or should he just have bland Rebeccas so as not to "trick" people? We have had plenty of male logia antagonists/side characters - why should it be assumed that a female one has to join the crew, before she ever even interacted with them?
Were in agreement. Im not saying anything anything should be assumed, Im saying the hints are there (as you are) and Oda was conscious of putting it there and the reaction readers would have. There posters in this thread that just want to say "i told you so" all the time and they are wrong.
Im not saying anything anything should be assumed, Im saying the hints are there (as you are) and Oda was conscious of putting it there and the reaction readers would have.
Yeah, I don't want to attack people for speculating. I just don't see why you think Oda specifically wrote her as a red herring. Even if he suspected the reaction (and I still don't think there was anything specific to Monet - people have had the same reaction to just about every female side character for years), that doesn't indicate purpose. If he was actively trying to create a red herring, I think he would have had some positive-looking interaction or have her allude to a dream or backstory. All he did was create a side character with an interesting design and ability - nothing distinct from the tons of unique male side characters he creates.
Im not sure what you mean about Brownbeard/Ceasar/Smoker because they have none of the things Monet had.
Yes, they didn't have breasts, I know.
But they did have unique designs, character quirks, interactions with the main cast, backstories and future dreams.
(Hint: Monet only had one of those five things.)
I've got to say. This is probably my favorite thread. Because I'll start to read through it, start to get angry, and then laugh as other forumers say exactly what I wanted to.
New Nakama? Tits. Cause we gotta even out the tits/not-tits ratio. Tits have such an interesting design and maybe they have a cool back story or dream! Think about tits being on the Sunny-Go, and Sanji spins up to tits to give them a meal while ignoring someone else. Wouldn't that be funny?
@Jinbe: Please join soon, so this silliness will end… or be abated.
Heck, even CC makes a more compelling potential crewmate than Monet….but haaaay, I'm just going to ignore the fact that he's a psychopath that drugs kids too because I love to stick my fingers in my ears and dance like a chicken.
@RobbyBevard:
Yes, they didn't have breasts, I know.
But they did have unique designs, character quirks, interactions with the main cast, backstories and future dreams.
(Hint: Monet only had one of those five things.)
Reread PH, Momet had all of those except a backstory, which Franky and Robin didnt have either. I dont know why BREASTS has anything to do with it at all bevause the only reason female characters are brought up more is because there are few of them.
As for why people would reapond to Monet as a crewmate rather than an enemy, it IS because she is a female flyer logia. Im not sure if you mean that Oda isnt aware of to that extent of his fanbase (SBS, color walks, manga featurettes). Obviously its been years since a new member and peiple are quick to get excited, but if a female/logia doesnt join, people will continue to ask for them (a la Sabo). So a character with all of those qualities shows up and its hard to believe Oda couldnt have found a better place than a throwaway villain.
Sure she's a psychopath and no longer an issue, but up until the point that was revealed, she was the most unique character introduced,
She was a random thug character. And one with a very boring design aside from the (literally) tacked on harpy aspects. What on earth was unique about her.
and yet we know almost nothong about her, even now.
Yes, much like we know nothing about Mohji, Cabaji, Butchie, Siam, Jango, Gin, Kuroobi, Chuu, Mr.9, Ms.Monday, Ms.Goldenweek, Mr.3, Kuromarimo, Chess, Ms.Doublefingers, Mr.1, Mr.4, Ms. Merry Christmas, Mr.7, Ms.Fathers Day, Sarquiss, Yama, Ohm, Satori, Shura, Gedatsu, Hamburg, Foxy, Porsche, Kaku, Blueno, Kumadori, Furyoku, Jabura, Nero, Wanze, T-Bone, Jerry, Perona, Absalom, Magellan, Hannyabal, Sady, Saldeath, Fake Luffy, or Brownbeard.
WHY do we need to know more about this thug character? We don't. There's literally no reason. She was a thug of Dofla's and Caesar's. That's all that matters about her.
Law making her a harpy is obvious but there is still very little ineraction between the two.
Yes, unlike the massive roaring bromance we saw between Law and Brownbeard.
She's a female logia
Who the fuck cares if she has a vagina. As for Logia's wow, because that wasn't quickly shat all over post-timeskip with the Strawhats + Pekoms roundly stomping on Caribou.
with an original design
Generic Oda Female with bird parts is a unique design??? This is fucking One Piece, we were well past that sort of blandess as early as Jango and Pearl. Bill Clinton was still in office when Oda was outdoing the bland design he gave her lolll.
and color scheme
Ohhhh, you're one of those.
with limitless potential for backstory
EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER HAS LIMITLESS POTENTIAL BACKSTORY.
LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE.
until her psychotic reveal,
There was nothing REVEAL about that.
She was clearly an underling of a bad guy from the fucking get go.
Anyone who was doubting she was in lock step with her bosses was a damn fool lol.
she was written to be a red herring
Not even in one single way. Not one.
She is NOT the same as shirahoshi or Pauly,
Yeah, those characters were FARRRRRRRRR more credible as crewmate material! They really shouldn't be compared to random thug girl 10543.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Shes also a logia and a flyer, two things fans have been asking for for years.
This is a STORY, not MARVEL VS CAPCOM 87. Abilities have nothing to do with Oda's main peopleing of the main cast.
Wasn't there a thread closed because of stupidity like Monet being a Nakama and her being dead? Any mention of Monet really does bring out the stupidity in us all. I swear we have more pages/comments/threads on Monet than any other villain's stooge in OP.
Heck, even CC makes a more compelling potential crewmate than Monet….but haaaay, I'm just going to ignore the fact that he's a psychopath that drugs kids too because I love to stick my fingers in my ears and dance like a chicken.
Thats not what we're talking about but Im curious as to why you think that!
I agree- my point is that Oda was without a doubt conscious of these things in relation to Monet, and no one should be made to feel stupid for picking up something that was put there on purpose. That said, Monet is evil now, I am not defending anyone that still wamts her in the crew.
Do you want to know what a red herring looks like? Do you want to know what it actually looks like when Oda briefly leads us astray on introducing a character?
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-325/page-14
Read to the end of the chapter.
THAT is a fuckin' mislead.
Oda is throwing an interesting looking genial dude at us and focusing on him as the chapter finale and everything.
It didn't last long, but for a second Kaku was definitely taunted at us.
Now find me a single Monet thing ANYTHING like that.
Pauly had as much potential as Monet in his first few chapters.
Absolutely not. And I was THERE bud.
Let's see…
-the strawhats were looking for a shipwright and had been since mid-Skypiea.
-Pauly was a GOOD GUY
-Pauly was shown as the main shipwright in Galley La
-Pauly was interesting and had a personality.
-Pauly received direct focus of his own that had nothing to do with fighting or other characters.
All this before the CP9 raid on Iceberg's mansion.
Wasn't there a thread closed because of stupidity like Monet being a Nakama and her being dead? Any mention of Monet really does bring out the stupidity in us all. I swear we have more pages/comments/threads on Monet than any other villain's stooge in OP.
Each time the thread is closed a dozen more threads are created each time a chapter is created and people want to be remembered for being the one to "call it" first.
And poor Robby gets so tied up closing those threads he can't focus on April Fools shenanigans and keeping up with the news thread.
I've got to say. This is probably my favorite thread. Because I'll start to read through it, start to get angry, and then laugh as other forumers say exactly what I wanted to.
Just doing our job sir.
Congratulations guys, this thread went from extremely angering to rather hilarious.
Why can't people just enjoy a new character and enjoy its development without having to yell "NAKAMA!"? Seriously, Rebecca seems like she could lead to an extensive backstory of all things Corrida Colisseum and Dressrosa uprising along with Rickyros, Toy Soldier, and the Tontatta. But no, she has to be nakama. Because goddam it, who cares about the story and plot, I want to be the one to predict the future and get props and a medal.
Same thing happened to Monet, an actually cool villian who was ok with just being vicious, lethal and following orders. But after all the insane craze from people wanting her in the crew I'm personally glad she was unceremoniously stabbed away from the story. Hope she goes the way of the Yeti Cool Bros or she'll be another Perona who people will insist will come back.
Reread PH, Momet had all of those except a backstory, which Franky and Robin didnt have either.
-She had no quirks.
-A boring design.
-No non-combat interactions with the main cast.
-And no dreams
Franky was introduced as a mysterious figure on the island with lots of questions about him. How does he know Iceberg and Kocoro? How is he a cyborg? What did he buy with the Strawhat's money? And he was not filling a specific role, he was a lone dog at all points of the Water7 story. An outlier that should have aroused suspicion as soon as we saw him sans costume.
Robin was barely seen until Alabasta began, and once it did she had tons of ambiguous moments. Even just the way she was drawn instantly and strangely stood out among the whole series, especially in regards to the women. Her dream AND back-story were hinted at before Alabasta was over. And overall Robin was a significant exception to many many One Piece rules. She holds a very special place in the series still with her dream being so intertwined with major plot points. Robin was a special event.
Are you going to argue that ANYONE had reason to believe the same of Monet? Of course you are.
@Monkey:
She was a random thug character. And one with a very boring design aside from the (literally) tacked on harpy aspects. What on earth was unique about her.
Yes, much like we know nothing about Mohji, Cabaji, Butchie, Siam, Jango, Gin, Kuroobi, Chuu, Mr.9, Ms.Monday, Ms.Goldenweek, Mr.3, Kuromarimo, Chess, Ms.Doublefingers, Mr.1, Mr.4, Ms. Merry Christmas, Mr.7, Ms.Fathers Day, Sarquiss, Yama, Ohm, Satori, Shura, Gedatsu, Hamburg, Foxy, Porsche, Kaku, Blueno, Kumadori, Furyoku, Jabura, Nero, Wanze, T-Bone, Jerry, Perona, Absalom, Magellan, Hannyabal, Sady, Saldeath, Fake Luffy, or Brownbeard.
WHY do we need to know more about this thug character? We don't. There's literally no reason. She was a thug of Dofla's and Caesar's. That's all that matters about her.Yes, unlike the massive roaring bromance we saw between Law and Brownbeard.
Who the fuck cares if she has a vagina. As for Logia's wow, because that wasn't quickly shat all over post-timeskip with the Strawhats + Pekoms roundly stomping on Caribou.
Generic Oda Female with bird parts is a unique design??? This is fucking One Piece, we were well past that sort of blandess as early as Jango and Pearl. Bill Clinton was still in office when Oda was outdoing the bland design he gave her lolll.
Ohhhh, you're one of those.
EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER HAS LIMITLESS POTENTIAL BACKSTORY.
LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE.There was nothing REVEAL about that.
She was clearly an underling of a bad guy from the fucking get go.
Anyone who was doubting she was in lock step with her bosses was a damn fool lol.Not even in one single way. Not one.
Yeah, those characters were FARRRRRRRRR more credible as crewmate material! They really shouldn't be compared to random thug girl 10543.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
This is a STORY, not MARVEL VS CAPCOM 87. Abilities have nothing to do with Oda's main peopleing of the main cast.
Not sure what youre saying here but Franky/Chopper/Brooke are all characters with EXTREMELY relevant powers/appearance. No one is saying Monet will be a nakama, or will have more relevance to the story so your NO JUST NO isnt really needed. Additionally all of those characters you listed had more development up until the point were talking about.
Not sure what youre saying here but Franky/Chopper/Brooke are all characters with EXTREMELY relevant powers/appearance.
Of course you're not sure. You probably read One Piece like it's Bleach and don't even pay attention to the vibe and style of those three characters, which is ten billion times more important than superficial ability resumes to why Oda designed them as main cast members.
Additionally all of those characters you listed had more development up until the point were talking about.
Yes, so you admit Monet is absolutely insignificant in regards to not having more "known" about her. A drop in a sea of tens of dozens.
As for why people would reapond to Monet as a crewmate rather than an enemy, it IS because she is a female flyer logia.
So you concede that we were right to laugh at those people as clueless superficial morons with boners?
Im not sure if you mean that Oda isnt aware of to that extent of his fanbase (SBS, color walks, manga featurettes).
No he means Oda doesn't make plot points because of the fanbase, and thank fucking god.
Obviously its been years since a new member
So you're one of those people who just sort of think of new crewmates as a perpetual motion machine with no rhyme or reason.
Like, "Oh that's a thing One Piece does, adds people to a boat, I wonder when the next addition to the boat will be :)"
Oda has said the crew will be soccer team size, 11 people. There's only one more coming, and it it be some random person like Monet or Rebecca.
and peiple are quick to get excited, but if a female/logia doesnt join, people will continue to ask for them
Those people would ruin this series if they were given reign.
It's only the absolute WORST authors who craft their stories on some sort of fanbase participation democracy.
This is his job, he's the professional and we come to watch.
So a character with all of those qualities shows up and its hard to believe Oda couldnt have found a better place than a throwaway villain.
Nobody actually paying attention to this series, least of all Oda, gives a shit about FEMALE/LOGIA whiners.
Monet does have a chance(45%) at joining the SHs, because she's unique.
She has a cool DF, has a unique personality, and for all we know, a troubled passed. Although she looks cool,pun intended, I'd prefer if she'd join Law's crew. They're in mad need of females lol.
And a reminder that anything is possible in the mind of Oda, keep on predicting kids.
Reread PH, Momet had all of those
In complete sentences tell me.
What are her character quirks.
How did she interact with the main cast in a unique way.
What hints are there of her having a past prior to being with Ceaser?
What is her future dream?
(Robin and Franky had all of those almost immediately, btw.)
except a backstory, which Franky and Robin didnt have either.
Robin had enigma and direct interaction with the entire crew around her the first time she appeared, including the explicitly stated mystery of how she got her high bounty at the age of 8, and was shown to have a lot of other questions about her as she had more and more screen time. Also, her facial design was unique and unlike any other female character in the series.
Franky first showed up with giant popeye arms, three pronged chin, an ace ventura haircut, and wearing a speedo while doing a dance routine. He also already had established history with Iceburg, questions about what he did with the strawhat's money, a history due to having a family. He didn't need his flashback to stand out… but it came about 10 chapters after he took his mask off and had been interacting heavily with Usopp.
I dont know why BREASTS has anything to do with it at all
Because you keep saying
it IS because she is a female flyer logia.
Take away the "female" part of that and suddenly you have "flyer logia". The strawhats already have an animal themed character in Chopper, and we've seen other flying bird characters, so that aspect is not unique.
And again, the logia aspect was not revealed until she turned out to be a shoulder eating monster… so that wasn't a factor of appeal until it was too late.
That leaves you with "female". And that ain't nothing on its own.
Obviously its been years since a new member and peiple are quick to get excited,
Jinbe joined like a year ago, it hasn't been that long.
but if a female/logia doesnt join, people will continue to ask for them (a la Sabo).
No one asks for that.
We also have a bearded jolly crocodile man that loves his crew, with an actual tragic past that we know exists, who has established enemies with other characters and was betrayed by his master, that willingly sacrificed himself for the sake of innocent children, and can give the strawhats rides that the crew actually got along with! Perfect material! But he's not joining the crew, and no one suggested he was.
@Croco~Boy:
Monet does have a chance(45%) at joining the SHs, because she's unique.
How do you figure that math? Especially seeing as how she is currently not in the story and believed dead?
She has a cool DF, has a unique personality,
Describe her personality.
and for all we know, a troubled passed.
There is zero evidence of this. But I'm sure she'll open a pet shop or something in her inevitable cover story.
And a reminder that anything is possible in the mind of Oda, keep on predicting kids.
Oda having a great imagination, outlandish characters, and unexpected plot twists is NOT the same as "anything is possible." The story itself is solidly structured, very methodical, and doesn't work on random whim.
@Croco~Boy:
Monet does have a chance(45%) at joining the SHs, because she's unique.
She has a cool DF, has a unique personality, and for all we know, a troubled passed. Although she looks cool,pun intended, I'd prefer if she'd join Law's crew. They're in mad need of females lol.
And a reminder that anything is possible in the mind of Oda, keep on predicting kids.
Make that 1% and you're on the right track.
Also note that Oda isn't a random idea spewing machine that spontaneously comes up with twists and turns everywhere. His twists have some sense of rhyme and reason which he usually explains fairly well (for the most part) as well as the steps leading up to the twist such as foreshadowing. There's NOTHING that foreshadows Monet coming back and joining SHs. Nothing.
"Anything being possible in the mind of Oda" should never be used to justify decisions that actually fly in the face of who Oda is as a writer. Making stupid predictions does just that: it ignores the intent of the writer as seen from what he writes, to instead argue for characters people like simply due to esoteric appeal, or to fill a "need" that really doesn't exist, like that "need for a female" that you mention.
@Croco~Boy:
Monet does have a chance(45%) at joining the SHs, because she's unique.
Can you actually name something unique about her? Like genuinely unique? Can you describe her and come away honestly saying "Only in One Piece!" like you can with Brooke, Franky or Chopper? Because uniqueness as your argument you have to at least pull this off.
Or you could not bother, because there's nothing unique about her at all. There is a complete 0%.
She has a cool DF,
When has this EVER been new crewmate criteria.
has a unique personality,
WHAT personality??
and for all we know, a troubled passed.
Alright, a thing that doesn't exist.
Although she looks cool,pun intended, I'd prefer if she'd join Law's crew. They're in mad need of females lol.
HE.FUCKING."KILLED".HER.
LOL
And a reminder that anything is possible in the mind of Oda, keep on predicting kids.
NO. NO NO NO NO. That is not how Oda works!!! He isn't random to the point of nonsense.
God, you sound like you're describing his horrible copycat, Hiro Mashima.
How can you not even appreciate Oda's craft at all, to just think "Anything can happened :)"
I don't know why I have to say these so much but here goes again.
1. Oda is good not just for what he does do, but what he doesn't.
2. This isn't any of our dreams or any of our imaginations. It's his. If you aren't thinking like Oda or trying, you're failing.
As for why people would reapond to Monet as a crewmate rather than an enemy, it IS because she is a female flyer logia. Im not sure if you mean that Oda isnt aware of to that extent of his fanbase (SBS, color walks, manga featurettes). Obviously its been years since a new member and peiple are quick to get excited, but if a female/logia doesnt join, people will continue to ask for them (a la Sabo). So a character with all of those qualities shows up and its hard to believe Oda couldnt have found a better place than a throwaway villain.
So Oda should only create side female characters with no distinctive features or powers, or otherwise he's purposefully misleading the audience? Why couldn't he just want to create a character and not care at all about how the audience would react? It's not like he ever created any expectation of it in the story itself. If anyone thought she would join, it was because of what they wanted/expected, not because of any in-story hinting. And why is there a "better place" for her - he has plenty of throwaway male villains with interesting powers, even logias.
Congratulations guys, this thread went from extremely angering to rather hilarious.
Why can't people just enjoy a new character and enjoy its development without having to yell "NAKAMA!"? Seriously, Rebecca seems like she could lead to an extensive backstory of all things Corrida Colisseum and Dressrosa uprising along with Rickyros, Toy Soldier, and the Tontatta. But no, she has to be nakama. Because goddam it, who cares about the story and plot, I want to be the one to predict the future and get props and a medal.
Same thing happened to Monet, an actually cool villian who was ok with just being vicious, lethal and following orders. But after all the insane craze from people wanting her in the crew I'm personally glad she was unceremoniously stabbed away from the story. Hope she goes the way of the Yeti Cool Bros or she'll be another Perona who people will insist will come back.
Yeah, I hate how the fanbase can ruin characters for me too.
Monet, Baby5, Perona, even Sanji time to time.
@Monkey:
Yeah, I hate how the fanbase can ruin characters for me too.
Monet, Baby5, Perona, even Sanji time to time.
How on earth do they ruin Sanji?
So, in the background of one scene in the first episode of My Little Pony, there was an animator mistake where one of the background characters who was onscreen for about half a second was cross-eyed.
Someone pointed this out on 4chan and she was named "Derpy" and the fandom latched onto her as their own special treasure immediately. Soon she had quirks like liking muffins, delivering mail, having a little sister, and timetravel adventures with Dr. Whooves, all facts widely accepted by fans.
Even though she was just a random background art mistake. And in spite of there being nothing in the actual show to indicate any of this.
I assume this is the same sort of thing where "fill in the blank" characterization and backstory endears a character more to you personally than one that has actual screentime and written lines.
How on earth do they ruin Sanji?
Have you not been paying attention to all the BLEEEEH ODA IS A WOMAN BEATING PSYCHOPATH comments whenever Sanji does something with a woman? (PS. Though they did this also with Zoro back at PH)
Oh also the Sanji and the Mera Mera fruit thing is pretty fucking annoying.
PS: Robby…are you in the right thread?
PSS: Oooh I see what're getting at...
Well Monet seems to be an experienced DF user and a logia. Surely that gives her a boost in the New World because they need to be strong already, no time for a personal timeskip.
She IS unique, she playfully flirts, blushes, and looses her cool an within seconds. She is also very smart and aware of the situation she is in.
Don't you remember that she told Luffy if she allowed CC to get harmed then Mingo would kill her, later she is seen talking to him and telling him that he will become the Pirate King.Pretty weird.
Also nobody really dies until it is confirmed(Pell and then point blank explosion).
She is kinda like the Robin of the New World, she would make an excellent crew mate in Law's sub though.
Vergo on the other hand….. let him come back and kill Sanji. Don't you think so Monkey Man?
@RobbyBevard:
So, in the background of one scene in the first episode of My Little Pony, there was an animator mistake where one of the background characters who was onscreen for about half a second was cross-eyed.
Someone pointed this out on 4chan and she was named "Derpy" and the fandom latched onto her as their own special treasure immediately. Soon she had quirks like liking muffins, delivering mail, having a little sister, and timetravel adventures with Dr. Whooves, all facts widely accepted by fans.
Even though she was just a random background art mistake. And in spite of there being nothing in the actual show to indicate any of this.
I assume this is the same sort of thing where "fill in the blank" characterization and backstory endears a character more to you personally than one that has actual screentime and written lines.
Derpy is kind of an exception though - due to the prevelence of social media was how she ended up becoming more then just a background image - That said it was a learning lesson too based on how the trolls effected upper managements decisions - from the point she was directly mentioned and given a speaking role. But yes them accepting Fannon into Cannon has set a precedence that can and will be referenced in the future.
Have you not been paying attention to all the BLEEEEH ODA IS A WOMAN BEATING PSYCHOPATH comments whenever Sanji does something with a woman? (PS. Though they did this also with Zoro back at PH)
Oh also the Sanji and the Mera Mera fruit thing is pretty fucking annoying.
.
I haven't noticed the women beating psychopath stuff but the Mera Mera is acceptable speculation even if irritating.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@Croco~Boy:
Well Monet seems to be an experienced DF user and a logia. Surely that gives her a boost in the New World because they need to be strong already, no time for a personal timeskip.
She IS unique, she playfully flirts, blushes, and looses her cool an within seconds. She is also very smart and aware of the situation she is in.
Don't you remember that she told Luffy if she allowed CC to get harmed then Mingo would kill her, later she is seen talking to him and telling him that he will become the Pirate King.Pretty weird.
Also nobody really dies until it is confirmed(Pell and then point blank explosion).
She is kinda like the Robin of the New World, she would make an excellent crew mate in Law's sub though.
Vergo on the other hand….. let him come back and kill Sanji. Don't you think so Monkey Man?
Not sure if you're troll baiting or not but it's coming accross like you are.
@Croco~Boy:
Well Monet seems to be an experienced DF user and a logia. Surely that gives her a boost in the New World because they need to be strong already, no time for a personal timeskip.
That's a terrible reason. Jinbei should be fine enough if we REALLY needed this role.
She IS unique, she playfully flirts, blushes, and looses her cool an within seconds. She is also very smart and aware of the situation she is in.
Haaaay just like Nami. (Monet playfully flirting? When the hell did this happen?)
Don't you remember that she told Luffy if she allowed CC to get harmed then Mingo would kill her, later she is seen talking to him and telling him that he will become the Pirate King.Pretty weird.
That only cements the fact that she is totally subservient to Doflamingo. SHE'S NOT JOINING THE SHs.
She is kinda like the Robin of the New World, she would make an excellent crew mate in Law's sub though.
Vergo on the other hand….. let him come back and kill Sanji. Don't you think so Monkey Man?
So she's not unique in that case. Why are we still bringing up Monet? Like you stated above, she is TOTALLY subservient to Dofla. She's not going to join any other faction if she is willing to kill herself for the guy.
Except Jimbe is already a veteran in the New World, wheres the adventure if they know what to expect?
Unlike Nami, Monet has a better understanding of physical combat.
Do you not pay attention to the recent chapters? Violet, Law, and some others have secret relations with Mingo that aren't clear yet.
Did you not read? You stupid beast xD I said she'd be better with Law than with Luffy.
@Croco~Boy:
Well Monet seems to be an experienced DF user and a logia. Surely that gives her a boost in the New World because they need to be strong already, no time for a personal timeskip.
Logia has been shown repeatedly to be a non-thing in the new world, and in fact a weakness due to over-reliance. Anyone that's anyone has the haki training to destroy them, as seen with Ace, Caribou, Ceaser, and yes, Monet. Who Zoro beat without even actually using haki.
She IS unique, she playfully flirts, blushes, and looses her cool an within seconds.
Where and with who?
In complete sentences tell me.
What are her character quirks. Actual things that make her unique. Possessing facial expressions does not count.
How did she interact with the main cast in a unique way. Saying "my boss is going to beat you" does not count.
What hints are there of her having a past prior to being with Ceaser?
What is her future dream?
Don't you remember that she told Luffy if she allowed CC to get harmed then Mingo would kill her, later she is seen talking to him and telling him that he will become the Pirate King.Pretty weird.
So she's fully loyal to Doflamingo and believes in him despite the fact he punishes those that fail him. That's like Perona talking about Moria, or Usopp talking proudly about Luffy.
@Croco~Boy:
Except Jimbe is already a veteran in the New World, wheres the adventure if they know what to expect?
Robin was a veteran of the grand line, she didn't spoil anything. So were Franky and Brook.
And Jinbe has never said anything about having traveled the New World extensively. Obviously he knows it enough to go to a military base near FI and wherever Big Mom is (using a vire card) … but that's the same as assuming Chopper was overqualified because he lived on the grand line. Doesn't mean he's traveled it extensively or knows everything about every route on it or knows more than an island or two... that the strawhats might never even visit.
Anyway, his level of experience and power is presumably the main reason behind the scenes reason Oda's keeping him off the crew for another arc or two yet.
@Croco~Boy:
Except Jimbe is already a veteran in the New World, wheres the adventure if they know what to expect?
Unlike Nami, Monet has a better understanding of physical combat.
Do you not pay attention to the recent chapters? Violet, Law, and some others have secret relations with Mingo that aren't clear yet.
Did you not read? You stupid beast xD I said she'd be better with Law than with Luffy.
1. Which is exactly my point. The role is unnecessary in the first place.
2. Wow Monet is better at fighting than Nami. On that basis alone, she's TOTALLY SH material. :getlost:
3. Do you not pay any attention to the way Oda writes? He isn't Mashima.
4. And did you not read what YOU posted yourself? She killed herself for Doflamingo. You seriously think she would even consider joining sides if she is willing to die for her boss?
I know it's hard, but try using that squishy thing between your ears.