Okay…Why did Kubo design yet another blind black guy? Or blind black guy with eyeball issues?
Bleach and Naruto were both really weird and confusing this week. Bleach for overall plot points. Naruto for panels that I couldn't figure out.
Okay…Why did Kubo design yet another blind black guy? Or blind black guy with eyeball issues?
Bleach and Naruto were both really weird and confusing this week. Bleach for overall plot points. Naruto for panels that I couldn't figure out.
@The:
Nah, Hueco Mondo was a desert, the quincies are in some sorta Ice Fortress (because germany is cold I guess? Cold as the GERMAN HEARTS oh Kubo you). But both are so excessively bland that they meld together; it really is blatant how much this is Lac Noches II with the Espada II.
It really doesn't help that Aizens Army had an all white dresscode too.
I don't think it's been stated where exactly their base is.
Las Noches makes somewhat sense when you consider the Quinazi army back with Opie and the fact that Harribel is still their captive (for whatever reason), but wouldn't the other HM residents say to Ichigo's rescue team "oh yeah, Aizen's old base is covered in ice now"
Plus the architecture of the Vandereich base isn't the same.
Ah right, sorry. Got confused :p
lol I have no idea where Kubo came up with that name
Is it not just a pseudo-Dutch name?
Ah right, sorry. Got confused :p
I think you're confused, because you make lots of posts that seem to indicate you follow with interest the details and goings on in a bunch of poorly drawn boring awful ninja comics.
I don't think it's been stated where exactly their base is.
Las Noches makes somewhat sense when you consider the Quinazi army back with Opie and the fact that Harribel is still their captive (for whatever reason), but wouldn't the other HM residents say to Ichigo's rescue team "oh yeah, Aizen's old base is covered in ice now"
Plus the architecture of the Vandereich base isn't the same.
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i think I remeber kubo saying back then when he took that break for a month? that the next arc would take place in a palace of ice or something like that.
if obito dies out there in the war does that mean kakashi is stuck forever in kamui dimension?
I'm…totally surprised that Tobito didn't fall victim to talk-no-justsu and stuck to his guns until the end. It was building up to it and then...yeah, that's it. Weird...
I shall call this week's Bleach chapter: Meet the Quincies.
That should be the next thread title too.
@Ace:
Nardo - I have a question, if anyone can answer this. Is there any logical reason that Madara is trying to revive himself, and in doing so become alive ??
Considering that once he is alive, he will lose the ability to regenerate, and not have unlimited chakra.
Also the fact that there are four very powerful immortal zombiekages and an entire army to deal with, shouldn't he first defeat them and then become mortal to become a jinchuuriki.
By reviving himself now, isn't he just risking getting killed again ??
To me this part really makes no sense, at all.
He needs Obito to cast Rinne Tensei and become the Juubi's Jinchuriki thus he must use him before he dies, therefore he doesn't have a choice.
i just read THE NEW NARUTO. orbito will die but kakashi is dead already. it be very sad for kakakshi who died and hurt so bad. mandara is a JERK. now let's go naruto.
Anyone creeped out by the little girl Quincy? She's so out of place between the street punks, gothic horrors, and luchadores that seem to populate this world.
Meanwhile in Naruto, I think I like this chapter. At the very least, I enjoy what it's trying to get across. Kakashi finally finishes his part in this rivalry, and I don't even think it's a plot hole. Obito's strengths are pretty much the abilities given to him by Madara after his near death. The dude is sadly the second Hidan of the group–some poor schmuck getting by on a few overpowered jutsus. I'm assuming that Obitio's defensive jutsu doesn't work in this world...
Naruto was a nice read for once.
Just for the record, the Naruto war arc has now been going on for 11 volumes (it's in its 12th volume now). If you count the Naruto/Bee training stuff, it's 14 volumes.
I know this is supposed to be the grand final arc and all that, but this is Bleach-level pacing.
Bleach had essentially one fight(Aizen vs. everybody)…Naruto has so many fights,if anything actually the war arc is rushed...
The thing is we don't even realize how long it's been going because the story and emotional impact surrounding the war are just so big.
Why do the Quincy have only 1 female among them ( less that 1 that got he throat slashed by Kenpachi ) ?
I'm placing a big bet that Stern Ritter D will face Kenpachi and get royally pwned big time. Dunno why…theres just something about him..
Why do the Quincy have only 1 female among them ( less that 1 that got he throat slashed by Kenpachi ) ?
She is the Smurfette of the Quincies.
I love how until now Obito haven't used any Genjutsu, but now that he faced against Kakashi he suddenly rememberd he can use them! Too bad they aren't exactly effective against him. Anyway, it was a terrible fight.
Starting the chapter with a stupid genjutsu, then having them fight a very poorly lazy choreographed fight only to have it end the same way it ended last chapter, while also throwing the same pointless flashbacks into the mix. Then in the end obito flees without actually using any of his techniques to now be hopefully killed, because he is a terrible villain. This chapter was a complete waste.
I love how until now Obito haven't used any Genjutsu, but now that he faced against Kakashi he suddenly rememberd he can use them! Too bad they aren't exactly effective against him. Anyway, it was a terrible fight.
yo do i think i liked it.
All they need is a kakashi (scarecrow)
Just for the record, the Naruto war arc has now been going on for 11 volumes (it's in its 12th volume now). If you count the Naruto/Bee training stuff, it's 14 volumes.
I know this is supposed to be the grand final arc and all that, but this is Bleach-level pacing.
Over three years now? Geeeeez.
And that's WITH fights being off camera-ed, like the seven swordsmen, or the hokage fights… or Naruto taming the Kyuubi in a single chapter (When reall yan event like that SHOULD have been a volume unto itself.)
Wow if somebody puts it like that it really gets even worse than it already was in my mind. After every uneccessary resurrection and the teaser fights I was like: Why resurrect them if they get killed of without us seeing their opponents strength? But if I had gotten that we would be looking at maybe a volume for each fight. Even if the fights were just half a volume that would still be much more than we already have.
So not only is Kishi not able to make the war fast paced but he also has to cut the interesting stuff in order to make it shorter. Although for exaple the golden brother fight could have been cut much shorter or even scrapped altogether.The war at marineford was 31 chapters long so only about three and a bit volumes.
Guys… The guy who officialy translates One Piece and Bleach in my country recently wrote that he thinks his top three shonen manga are FMA, Soul eater and... Bleach. I talked with him about this, turns out he only wants fights from shonen titles and not a deep story. According to him Fairy Tail and Bleach are just better than One Piece, because "everyone cries in OP all the time". He had one nitpick about the recent Bleach chapters, and it was that the new Quincy guys "look like something from One Piece".
Yeah, it's not about bashing a person, but it's always nice to post someone's opinion, even if it's a very weird one.
Oh yeah, and also he's really good with translations, he doesn't pull any shit while translating OP, it's just his opinion that is really weird for me. Is this how your friends, if you have any, who like Bleach more than OP use as an argument when talking why Bleach (or maybe even Naruto) is a better series?
@RobbyBevard:
Over three years now? Geeeeez.
And that's WITH fights being off camera-ed, like the seven swordsmen, or the hokage fights… or Naruto taming the Kyuubi in a single chapter (When reall yan event like that SHOULD have been a volume unto itself.)
Guessing conservatively, I'd estimate this arc will go on for two more volumes (for a total of 14 volumes). In which case, this entire arc will have taken up 1/5 of the entire series.
Guessing conservatively, I'd estimate this arc will go on for two more volumes (for a total of 14 volumes). In which case, this entire arc will have taken up 1/5 of the entire series.
To be fair, I expect One Piece's final arc to be a similar length (if not longer) when the time comes… and actually encompass the entire world and basically every character ever.
But I also kinda expect it to be good.
This is the final arc then? I dropped out at vol.56 of the manga volumes. Became so Naruto focused with some good side tracks like Madara vs. the paper jutsu chick (forget her name) but I simply got bored. I never enjoyed Naruto because of naruto himself. Is that an odd thing to say? I even skipped the flashback volume 53 I believe and still got bored. Bee is interesting in small doses but combine him and Naruto non stop and no thanks.
Thinking if this is the finale I should just jump back in, I was at a local anime store and its up to vol.61 in Canada. Thats 5 just to catch up let alone how many are left.
Can't decide.
@RobbyBevard:
To be fair, I expect One Piece's final arc to be a similar length (if not longer) when the time comes… and actually encompass the entire world and basically every character ever.
But I also kinda expect it to be good.
Also to be fair, the CP9 saga was something like 11 volumes long. But at least then it took place over 2 distinct locations (3 if you count sea train), and, well, yeah, the quality was just good (comparatively speaking).
I guess with Naruto, it's just amazing how long the arc has been going on and yet so little has been accomplished, and even some things (Gaara) ruined.
Wait till it's done then blitz it. If you can, some people prefer to read awfulness before others tell them about it in forums. I swear the early volumes put me in a genjutsu, they make me think things are good then the cycle goes on and on.
@Aru
Uhhh, well with my friends? If they aren't already into anime beyond stuff they watched when they were younger, like DBZ, I tend to get them into Bleach first, normally by showing them the Soul Society arc. I can start them off in there because Bleach is fairly easy to explain. "These are ghost samurai. They normally hunt ghost monsters. Something sketchy is happening, so one ghost samurai and his technically human pals are trying to rescue another ghost samurai. Ghost samurai have magic swords that do different things, some also use magic or ghost technology. That guy is a human exorcist, he's a street brawler with super powers, and she's got six fairies that let her cast spells." Then if they are into it, I'll show selections from the Arrancar arc, typically skipping around a lot. At some point, I'll suggest watching some One Piece and show the sea train, building up to Robin's flashback, giving short explanations of the series and characters as we go, "people get super powers from eating this Fruit, the main character has rubber, and their doctor is a reindeer that has human, but we've seen like… fire, lightning, blades and time by this point in the series. The three strongest members are the 'monster trio.' The heroes are aligned with two other groups to raid this government facility that kidnapped a crewmember, a leader of a local gang and also attempted a hit on the mayor of a town." Most of the time, they are hooked after Luffy v Blueno and demand that we continue with One Piece.
Bleach was fun, like popcorn and soda. Nice in small amounts as long as you don't make a meal of it. One Piece is more like a steak. Take your time and enjoy it.
One Piece is more like a magical steak that gets tastier every week.
Naruto is like a breadstick from Olive Garden.
Bleach is like a breadstick from Olive Garden without salt.
Became so Naruto focused with some good side tracks like Madara vs. the paper jutsu chick (forget her name) but I simply got bored. I never enjoyed Naruto because of naruto himself. Is that an odd thing to say?
It's odd to say you thought Madara vs. Konin was good yes.
Naruto:
I hope Obito dies soon so we can have a less boring character (Madara) on-screen for more time.
Just casually reading Naruto atm so nothing to discuss about, really. Mostly, I just want the story to move back to whatever Sasuke wants to do. I couldn't give two shits about the ideals of the villains vs Naruto's(both of which are completely bullshit, go read Kingdom's chapter 20-21, YING ZHENG/EI SEI WILL TEACH YOU GUYS SOME STUFF) or Madara's plan.
I just want to see how Sasuke will act. I wanna know what he truly learned with all these stuff he went through, and what Naruto will do about it.
Also, are they gonna continue with this "NARUTO'S AWESOME NARUTO'S LIGHT, NARUTO BLAH BLAH BLAH"? It's getting annoying. It was annoying when I read Kingdom as well, they were all about praising Shin all the freaking time, but that changed when he went to war. In Naruto, it just seems to get worse.
Bleach:
Boring, short, only character introductions chapter. Can't blame Kubo much on that one though, he has to introduct his villains somehow, and an entire chapter about them is a good idea.
Have to pick at one annoying thing though. What the fuck is Ishida doing there? As much as Bleach fans will defend Kubo by saying he "will reveal everything later", there was still no build-up! NONE. Seriously. It's like he did that scene just to add some more drama to this crap.
@Monkey:
It's odd to say you thought Madara vs. Konin was good yes.
600 Billion Paper tags is a really impressive strategy. Adittionally, giving Konan that hope spot right before Madara beat her down was a nice touch. And since it's such a short fight, that's really all it needs to be good.
600 Billion Paper tags is a really impressive strategy. Adittionally, giving Konan that hope spot right before Madara beat her down was a nice touch. And since it's such a short fight, that's really all it needs to be good.
If you didn't read her death chapter as one of the worst manga chapters ever made you should probably instituitionalized.
Also lol at caring about any of that random bullshit.
Or anything since Part 2 started really.
600 Billion Paper tags is a really impressive strategy.
Lol no. It's not even a strategy. The only thing impressive is how much time she probably wasted on this.
I need to squash this sedentary beetle
Welp time to get the sledge hammer wrapped in sand paper and dynamite because STRATEGY
Looking back I've liked quite a few of the arcs in part 2, even if they had sections that annoyed me. Around halfway through the Pein arc is probably where I completely stopped caring about Naruto but before that it was a pretty enjoyable series.
I thought the Pain arc was one of the few good arcs of part 2. Then Nagato resurrected everyone because Naruto repeated the exact same thing Jiraiya said to him earlier. I was already disappointed with what the series had become (Orochimaru's anticlimatic death, the emphasis on Sasuke, Karin, the penis arc), but that's when I just stopped caring.
I thought the Pain arc was one of the few good arcs of part 2. Then Nagato resurrected everyone because Naruto repeated the exact same thing Jiraiya said to him earlier.
Because Naruto had totally felt his pain, man! It's deep, just go with it…
Oh joy, we now have an actual person on these forums that thinks the 600 billion bullshit tags was a logical and intelligent tactic? Seriously, Toriko didn't have as much ass pulls when compared to only this one moment in Naruto. This was real Kubo Tite levels of BS.
Didn't we even try to count how long would it take and if it was even possible to create 600 billion paper tags? And how much would they weight etc.? I think I saw years ago a study, where a guy tried to count the streanght of the blast that one note made and then how strong would be the same blast, when multiplied by 600 billion and how it would probably create a black hole or something.
Konan had just finished watching Austin Powers when she thought up that strategy…
The point of Pain was not that his pain was especially deep. He just thought his pain was the deepest ever. Because he was crazy and his power went to his head (tied in with Jiraiya's "pain will make you stronger" lesson that he then twisted).
The Pain battle is what got me into Naruto. Before then I was convinced it was stupid.
@Aru:
Oh joy, we now have an actual person on these forums that thinks the 600 billion bullshit tags was a logical and intelligent tactic? Seriously, Toriko didn't have as much ass pulls when compared to only this one moment in Naruto. This was real Kubo Tite levels of BS.
Didn't we even try to count how long would it take and if it was even possible to create 600 billion paper tags? And how much would they weight etc.? I think I saw years ago a study, where a guy tried to count the streanght of the blast that one note made and then how strong would be the same blast, when multiplied by 600 billion and how it would probably create a black hole or something.
I just did a quick estimate again. Using some intense science (Yahoo answers), I dug up a post, which calculated 8333 sheets of paper per tree. Even if you could get four tags out of a sheet, you would still need to cut down 18 million trees. Cutting down 18 million trees is not exactly subtle.
I just did a quick estimate again. Using some intense science (Yahoo answers), I dug up a post, which calculated 8333 sheets of paper per tree. Even if you could get four tags out of a sheet, you would still need to cut down 18 million trees. Cutting down 18 million trees is not exactly subtle.
No no, you see Konan can just transform other stuff into paper or, hell, just manifest them because ninja magic.
@Aru:
Guys… The guy who officialy translates One Piece and Bleach in my country recently wrote that he thinks his top three shonen manga are FMA, Soul eater and... Bleach. I talked with him about this, turns out he only wants fights from shonen titles and not a deep story. According to him Fairy Tail and Bleach are just better than One Piece, because "everyone cries in OP all the time". He had one nitpick about the recent Bleach chapters, and it was that the new Quincy guys "look like something from One Piece".
Yeah, it's not about bashing a person, but it's always nice to post someone's opinion, even if it's a very weird one.Oh yeah, and also he's really good with translations, he doesn't pull any shit while translating OP, it's just his opinion that is really weird for me. Is this how your friends, if you have any, who like Bleach more than OP use as an argument when talking why Bleach (or maybe even Naruto) is a better series?
Usually their argument is, "I've only read the first chapter of One Piece and it looks positively silly!"
If they make it past that stage, if they're really weird, they'll usually be like one of those people on BleachAsylum who think it's seinen and the art style's great. I have also heard the complaint from some people that One Piece is hard to follow so they prefer Bleach. When an anime/manga fan limits themselves to the "Big 3", stupidity usually follows.
I'm glad our resident translator(s) really like One Piece. I'm also glad I'm a silly person so One Piece clicked with me right away, huge gums and all. I guess I just don't have the skills and insight necessary to see the meaning in mouths drawn on 33% of the page saying, "SO…!" I saw something like this in the most recent Bleach chapter and it was a completely ridiculous waste of space. I think if a friend ever asks me why I dislike Bleach again, I'm just going to say that I'm legitimately afraid of the mouths growing bigger in every chapter and that they are going to eat me while I read. Yep.
@Monkey:
I think you're confused, because you make lots of posts that seem to indicate you follow with interest the details and goings on in a bunch of poorly drawn boring awful ninja comics.
Nah, just one. Though that's got nothing to do with the post you quoted?
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Naruto:
I hope Obito dies soon so we can have a less boring character (Madara) on-screen for more time.
Just casually reading Naruto atm so nothing to discuss about, really. Mostly, I just want the story to move back to whatever Sasuke wants to do. I couldn't give two shits about the ideals of the villains vs Naruto's(both of which are completely bullshit, go read Kingdom's chapter 20-21, YING ZHENG/EI SEI WILL TEACH YOU GUYS SOME STUFF) or Madara's plan.
I just want to see how Sasuke will act. I wanna know what he truly learned with all these stuff he went through, and what Naruto will do about it.
I found Orochimaru.
@Cyan:
I need to squash this sedentary beetle
Welp time to get the sledge hammer wrapped in sand paper and dynamite because STRATEGY
Then the sledgehammer doesn't work.
@Aru:
Oh joy, we now have an actual person on these forums that thinks the 600 billion bullshit tags was a logical and intelligent tactic? Seriously, Toriko didn't have as much ass pulls when compared to only this one moment in Naruto. This was real Kubo Tite levels of BS.
Didn't we even try to count how long would it take and if it was even possible to create 600 billion paper tags? And how much would they weight etc.? I think I saw years ago a study, where a guy tried to count the streanght of the blast that one note made and then how strong would be the same blast, when multiplied by 600 billion and how it would probably create a black hole or something.
I just did a quick estimate again. Using some intense science (Yahoo answers), I dug up a post, which calculated 8333 sheets of paper per tree. Even if you could get four tags out of a sheet, you would still need to cut down 18 million trees. Cutting down 18 million trees is not exactly subtle.
Hey guys guys let's try to apply logic to a shonen manga that's totally a sensible idea how can they get 18 million tress worth of paper sheets without cutting down trees wouldn't somebody notice and actually wouldn't all those explosions create a black hole?
Let's ignore the fact that you can't create a black hole by triggering a series of small explosions in more or less the same place over a period of like 10 minutes. Why should we apply logic to the one part of the manga we find to be dumb? May as well go lol how can they run up trees like that? Even if they create traction with the trees that's nto how it would look because gravity. And then actually, how do they create all these elemental techniques? Yeah yeah, chakra, but if all the energy comes from within them, that's faaaar too much energy. And let's not even get into questioning how summoning works.
That's an invalid argument. A series needs to have consistent internal logic. What if Hinata suddenly teleported into Obito's pocket dimension and killed him with lasers shot from her hair? Would you excuse it because this is the same universe where bright orange is considered a stealthy color?
Hey guys guys let's try to apply logic to a shonen manga that's totally a sensible idea
Actually, yes, it is.
Let's ignore the fact that you can't create a black hole by triggering a series of small explosions in more or less the same place over a period of like 10 minutes.
Do you have any idea how large 600 billion is? At the very least it should've blown up half the planet.
Why should we apply logic to the one part of the manga we find to be dumb?
LOL. You think this is the only part of the manga we find dumb?
May as well go lol how can they run up trees like that?
Because they manipulate chakra in their bodies which enables them to stick to trees. See, that's something that was explained and makes sense by the comics own internal logic.
Even if they create traction with the trees that's nto how it would look because gravity. And then actually, how do they create all these elemental techniques? Yeah yeah, chakra, but if all the energy comes from within them, that's faaaar too much energy. And let's not even get into questioning how summoning works.
It's called suspension of disbelief. We can buy that the characters can defy a little bit of gravity (presumably due to their super strength) or that they can create elements (although I still find coughing up mud to be pretty ridiculous) and that animals can be teleported across large distances, as long as they're explained and the abilities are kept within reason.
But when you give us something stupid ridiculous like 600 billion exploding tags, a number that isn't even plausible, and even if it was should've caused devastating global damage, then we start to question it.
That's an invalid argument. A series needs to have consistent internal logic. What if Hinata suddenly teleported into Obito's pocket dimension and killed him with lasers shot from her hair? Would you excuse it because this is the same universe where bright orange is considered a stealthy color?
So where's your issue with the internal logic here?
Do you have any idea how large 600 billion is? At the very least it should've blown up half the planet.
But when you give us something stupid ridiculous like 600 billion exploding tags, a number that isn't even plausible, and even if it was should've caused devastating global damage, then we start to question it.
Eh, 2.7 billion kg of explosives are employed in precise explosions for industrial purposes per annum. How much mass of modern explosives would you need to match an explosive tag? Certainly far less than 1kg, I would guesstimate less than 100g. If we say 100g, then IRL, the equivalent explosive power of maybe 27 billion explosive tags are employd in explosions where as much of the energy as easily possible is employed in useful destruction (ie the explosive is buried or w/e, rather than at surface level where a lot of the nergy will just go into the air and be 'wasted'). So, by the logic that 600 billion explosive tags in the air carries enough power to blow up half the planet, then that would lead us to believe that the industrial use of explosives has blown up at least half the mass of the Earth within the last 2 decades or so. Such an idea is of course ludicrous.
Basically, even if you insist on considering the real impact of 600 billion relatively small explosions, it's not so incredible as you somehow believe.
Also, people saying it's ridiculous she could have made them - the number is not so large. Supposedly, based on certain assumptions on paper size and density, the world produces 95 trillion sheets of paper per annum. So the number Konan used is about 1 in 160 of modern global annual production. Considering that explosive tags are quite small, the mass would be an even smaller proportion. And considering ninja powers, it does not seem so odd that she could set it up with the significant effort that it is implied she put into setting that up.
So, if you insist on applying logic, do it right.