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Panda Bear

Looking at the 2011 numbers, looks like 250k+ population cities with the highest homicide rate per capita (per 100k) is:

New Orleans - 57.6
Detroit - 48.2
St Louis - 35.3
Newark - 33.8

Detroit crime rates are really high in general too.
Well I guess I know at least one place I'd never live in.

What I'd be interested in, though, assuming these numbers aren't already, is to see them adjusted for involvement in crime. That is, I wonder how many of those homicides were of people themselves involved in gang activity, or the drug trade, or anything of that sort, compared to how many were of people that were completely innocent.

I was listening to an interesting thing on gun violence in the U.S. the other day, although I'd have to see if I could find it again, but evidently the data shows that gun related deaths of 'innocents' are actually, relatively speaking, extremely rare. Like, obviously they're horrible when they happen, and the various big shootings that crop up rightly get everyone up in arms (no pun intended) over the issue; but just looking purely at the numbers, people's attention would be better spent on any number of issues, like drunk driving or what have you.

Not to say I personally don't think the nation has a problem with gun control, or that people shouldn't try to fix it, but I do think it's interesting to have issues be sort of objectively put into perspective like that.

Aohige_AP

@Panda:

What I'd be interested in, though, assuming these numbers aren't already, is to see them adjusted for involvement in crime. That is, I wonder how many of those homicides were of people themselves involved in gang activity, or the drug trade, or anything of that sort, compared to how many were of people that were completely innocent.

I was listening to an interesting thing on gun violence in the U.S. the other day, although I'd have to see if I could find it again, but evidently the data shows that gun related deaths of 'innocents' are actually, relatively speaking, extremely rare. Like, obviously they're horrible when they happen, and the various big shootings that crop up rightly get everyone up in arms (no pun intended) over the issue; but just looking purely at the numbers, people's attention would be better spent on any number of issues, like drunk driving or what have you.

Not to say I personally don't think the nation has a problem with gun control, or that people shouldn't try to fix it, but I do think it's interesting to have issues be sort of objectively put into perspective like that.

Well, their robbery and burglary rate is very high and they lead the nation in aggravated assault cases by a large margin, so no, it's not just "gangs killin' gangs". Place is a cesspool, period.

TheCrystalShip

I've met some cool people from Detroit, though. It's not like it doesn't have merit.

I just wouldn't live there, considering.

wolfwood

@Ubiq:

The highest murder rate in the United States for an individual city is New Orleans, but there are tons of places in New Orleans that are perfectly safe to walk through .

You americans are so charmingly jaded.

Khainiwest

I walked through New Orleans with a $500 Tissot watch, and I'm still alive

Panda Bear

@Aohige_AP:

Well, their robbery and burglary rate is very high and they lead the nation in aggravated assault cases by a large margin, so no, it's not just "gangs killin' gangs". Place is a cesspool, period.

Oh, no, I don't doubt that at all. Like I said, I just think it would be interesting to see what the adjusted numbers would be; I'm sure it isn't a place I'd ever want to live, regardless.

@wolfwoof:

You americans are so charmingly jaded.

It's less being jaded, and more how diverse the country is, even down at a smaller scale like the city-level. I don't know much about New Orleans personally, but I do know that Baltimore, for example, has parts of the city that are insanely horrible, on pretty much every level – crime, poverty, you name it -- and then it has parts like the Inner Harbor, where families take their children to go on nice day-trips, maybe to see the aquarium.

Monkey King

@wolfwoof:

You americans are so charmingly jaded.

Naw it's just not that strange to have a ginormous country of 300 million that will have some rough pockets here and there, that for the most part will never ever have anything to do with us.
You're not thinking proportionally, or its just that your whole concept of proportion is not even 1/30th of ours XD.

wolfwood

Just seems weird to be cool with that just across town there's a mad max remake going on. Like the whole consensus that of course there are superbad neighbourhoods in all the larger cities seems very jaded to me

I mean of course reality is what it is and you just have to deal with it but you forum guys always have this eh no skin of my ass detached approch to it. That i as a small countryite find very weird. But i guess it's like zephos said all about the size of your country.

Dryish

Are you desperately trying to deny Malmö's existence or what is with this weird guaranteed folkhemmet security attitude that is going on here? I mean, no offense or anything, but Sweden's problematic districts are pretty much as bad as they get in Western Europe (disregarding the worst drug violence in Copenhagen and some big cities), and you seem to have a fair share of problems of your own.

Heck, even I think it's perfectly ordinary for cities here to have neighborhoods that spell trouble. There might not be as much killing going on because all that is easier to clear up in a backwater state like Finland, but it's still there.

wolfwood

@Dryish:

Are you desperately trying to deny Malmö's existence or what is with this weird guaranteed folkhemmet security attitude that is going on here? I mean, no offense or anything, but Sweden's problematic districts are pretty much as bad as they get in Western Europe (disregarding the worst drug violence in Copenhagen and some big cities), and you seem to have a fair share of problems of your own.

Heck, even I think it's perfectly ordinary for cities here to have neighborhoods that spell trouble. There might not be as much killing going on because all that is easier to clear up in a backwater state like Finland, but it's still there.

Lol no it's not about the existance of bad parts it's the casual oh that that's just murder central it's just across town from wholesome corners attitude that i was talking about

We're shit your pants scared off what's happening in malmö and the whole country is worried about what we can do to clean it up. It's a huge national issue and no one would ever say anything like oh well some parts of it are still okay. And that difference was what i noted and thought of as being jaded.

Ubiq

@wolfwoof:

a mad max remake going on.

It's not really that bad; if it was, nobody would live there at all.

Like the whole consensus that of course there are superbad neighbourhoods in all the larger cities seems very jaded to me

Not all of the larger cities have superbad neighborhoods; places like Detroit are older cities that were heavily dependent on particular industries that don't provide the jobs that they used to. Unemployment is high and tax revenues really aren't there to fix the conditins on the ground. Younger cities that haven't had as much urban decay set in or even cities that have vibrant economies and can spend money on urban renewal are an entirely different animal.

I mean of course reality is what it is and you just have to deal with it but you forum guys always have this eh no skin of my ass detached approch to it. That i as a small countryite find very weird. But i guess it's like zephos said all about the size of your country.

The Northeast alone has about six times the population of Sweden in less than a quarter of the space.

Cyan D. Funk

America has a lot of major and prominent cities; of course a portion of them will be hellholes.

Monkey King

@wolfwoof:

Lol no it's not about the existance of bad parts it's the casual oh that that's just murder central it's just across town from wholesome corners attitude that i was talking about

We're shit your pants scared off what's happening in malmö and the whole country is worried about what we can do to clean it up. It's a huge national issue and no one would ever say anything like oh well some parts of it are still okay. And that difference was what i noted and thought of as being jaded.

I guess we've been urban way longer than Sweden is the thing then. We've been dealing with city gang violence since at least our civil war in the 1860's.
And like Ubiq says it's not anywhere near as bad as you imagine, you really are imagining like Baghdad!

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@Ubiq:

The Northeast alone has about six times the population of Sweden in less than a quarter of the space.

Hell there's nearly the same amount of people in New York City (not even metro area, literally the city limits) as allll of Sweden.
The metro area is equal to about TWO Swedens!

fedcom

You know its the complete opposite in Canada. The small towns in the North are where the really bad crime is and our big cities are pretty safe.
The amount of police stationed per person up there is ridiculous.

I wonder if that's the case anywhere else.

Monkey King

@fedcom:

You know its the complete opposite in Canada. The small towns in the North are where the really bad crime is and our big cities are pretty safe.
The amount of police stationed per person up there is ridiculous.

I wonder if that's the case anywhere else.

I bet its not really so different because the underlying reasons are probably the same. Those small towns up there I'm betting had some sort of trade and economic point that has since vanished or severely downsized.

fedcom

@Monkey:

I bet its not really so different because the underlying reasons are probably the same. Those small towns up there I'm betting had some sort of trade and economic point that has since vanished or severely downsized.

Yeah that's probably right. Although some of them are native reserves that never really had an economic base to begin with. Or booming mining/oil towns where people work long hours and do tons of drugs.

Monkey King

@fedcom:

Yeah that's probably right. Although some of them are native reserves that never really had an economic base to begin with. Or booming mining/oil towns where people work long hours and do tons of drugs.

I also get the feeling that Canada's smaller amount of cities helps keep people centered on them, so you don't get as drastic examples of things like population and business flight from region to region.
Like when you only have so many, and all of them in roughly the same latitude, there's just less "Hell, lets all move to Phoenix, fuck Rochester"

I've also heard the Maritimes are kind of poor? And also religious?
So like….ironically the complete opposite of their seeming geographic bro New England...
Why can't we have that cool relationship that Seattle and Vancouver do Maritimes? :sad:

fedcom

@Monkey:

I also get the feeling that Canada's smaller amount of cities helps keep people centered on them, so you don't get as drastic examples of things like population and business flight from region to region.
Like when you only have so many, and all of them in roughly the same latitude, there's just less "Hell, lets all move to Phoenix, fuck Rochester"

There's actually a ton of people going to Alberta because of the oil boom!
But yeah its a lot harder to travel for sure. You can just drive around and see so many big cities in the US….like you can do the same thing in Southern Ontario/Québec but otherwise most people have to fly just to visit other cities

I've also heard the Maritimes are kind of poor? And also religious?
So like….ironically the complete opposite of their seeming geographic bro New England...
Why can't we have that cool relationship that Seattle and Vancouver do Maritimes? :sad:

Yup, definitely poor. They have tons of people who work as fishermen during some months and then simply go on welfare half the year lol.
Young people from there typically go work out west and then retire back at home, its a weird thing.

Never heard about the religious thing though.
Are Maine and Vermont considered part of New England? They've got a close connection with Québec at least right? :)

Monkey King

@fedcom:

Are Maine and Vermont considered part of New England? They've got a close connection with Québec at least right? :)

Yeah they are, I don't know about close, but there are some French speakers deep in the woods up there. Not sure what their story is lol.
But most of the states aren't like that.
Really though those parts of New England are pretty cut off from the rest of us.
New England is basically mostly just the top third of the Northeast Megalopolis. Hell the part I'm in isn't really even New England as much as New York.

We really don't have anything in common with the Maritimes aside from tons of Celtic ancestory.

fedcom

@Monkey:

We really don't have anything in common with the Maritimes aside from tons of Celtic ancestory.

Oh weird. I knew Boston existed but otherwise I always thought of New England as being really quaint and sorta British with funny accents and lots of local seafood cuisine. I guess that's all maritimes in my head.

darktravis

@TheCrystalShip:

BTW, I'm MtF, not FtM. :P

Ah sorry. Unless I certainly know the gender of the poster, I usually just default to male pronouns (didn't even know you were trans).

Monkey King

@fedcom:

Oh weird. I knew Boston existed but otherwise I always thought of New England as being really quaint and sorta British with funny accents and lots of local seafood cuisine. I guess that's all maritimes in my head.

ahahahaha NO.
Maybe Maine and Vermont and parts of New Hampshire. But like Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Mass are pretty urban. And fiiilllled with immigrants and immigrant descendents, mostly Catholic group.
Fuckloads of Irish people, Italians, Poles. Notable amounts of Dominicans, Portuguese, Jews, Puerto Ricans, Greeks and of course Africans. And just lots of general immigration.
We're probably much more like Toronto except with actually good looking landscapes lol.
Check this map.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg
Those English areas in New England? Yeah, no one lives there. (the "Other" near Rhode Island in Mass is Portuguese)

The Britishness is old and withering away at like best lol. You still have old rich families with their roots in the old New England before the Catholic hordes came in.
Finding pure English Americans around here requires a pass to wealthy old folks homes, Yale alumni, or the woods of the top three states.
Everyone else is mixed in with Celts, Romans, Slavs, and Latinos. Like me!

In my geography class we did a thing where the professor told us to put little tacs on a map she had out for where our most prominent ancestry was from. Like 50% put Italy, and 25% Ireland.
Hell Connecticut is the most Italian and the most Puerto Rican state in the country in terms of population proportion lol.
So yeah, Toronto metro except prettier, cooler, and catholicer.

cooldud

What's the problem with Malmo? Is it something to do with immigrants?

Aohige_AP

@Monkey:

Naw it's just not that strange to have a ginormous country of 300 million that will have some rough pockets here and there, that for the most part will never ever have anything to do with us.
You're not thinking proportionally, or its just that your whole concept of proportion is not even 1/30th of ours XD.

Well Japan is comparable in population, with just a little under half of America, but our absolute worst cities are still far, far below 10.0 in homicide rates, and the national rate is below 1.0

Not like, ya know, 30+

Monkey King

@Aohige_AP:

Well Japan is comparable in population, with just a little under half of America, but our absolute worst cities are still far, far below 10.0 in homicide rates, and the national rate is below 1.0

Not like, ya know, 30+

Japan is only like a third of the US. Also an island chain, so you lack the drug problems that bubble up from south of us. Most of the inner city crime is based around drug trade. And is actually better now than it was during the Crack epidemic.

Aohige_AP

@Monkey:

Japan is only like a third of the US. Also an island chain, so you lack the drug problems that bubble up from south of us. Most of the inner city crime is based around drug trade. And is actually better now than it was during the Crack epidemic.

It's just over 40% actually. I don't think SIZE of population is a large contributor.

IMO, it's the combination of:
1. Depravity and poverty
2. Large gap in economic disparity
3. Massive amounts of available firearms
4. Extremely poor federal social programs

Most countries have some of these problems (for example Japan suffers from 2, Canada suffers from 2 and 3, and some of 1), but America is unique among world leaders to have all of the above in serious, significant amounts.

Monkey King

@Aohige_AP:

It's just over 40% actually. I don't think SIZE of population is a large contributor.

IMO, it's the combination of:
1. Depravity and poverty
2. Large gap in economic disparity
3. Massive amounts of available firearms
4. Extremely poor federal social programs

Most countries have some of these problems (for example Japan suffers from 2, Canada suffers from 2 and 3), but America is unique among world leaders to have all of the above in serious, significant amounts.

What other country is rich and right physically above a ton of poorer drug producers for which we are consumers?
I'd say Russia, except they aren't rich. But richer than Central Asia certainly.
The drug trade has shown direct links to the homocide amount.
Violent crime and poverty issues don't necessarily correlate.

Aohige_AP

@Monkey:

What other country is rich and right physically above a ton of poorer drug producers for which we are consumers?
I'd say Russia, except they aren't rich. But richer than Central Asia certainly.
The drug trade has shown direct links to the homocide amount.
Violent crime and poverty issues don't necessarily correlate.

Russia has the highest homicide rate in all the world leading nations, actually.
Waaaay above US.

And you're switching subject there, my disagreement is in the proportionate size of the population, not drug issues. Which I do not disagree.

Monkey King

@Aohige_AP:

Russia has the highest homicide rate in all the world leading nations, actually.
Waaaay above US.

Yeah and a similar if not worse problem mixed with virtually horrible ratings on every other barometer. Wala! America on steroids!
All that heroin being produced in Afghanistan floats upward like so many depressing clouds.

And you're switching subject there, my disagreement is in the proportionate size of the population, not drug issues. Which I do not disagree.

The proportion thing has to do with Wolfwood's inability to understand our attitudes at having bad areas.

Aohige_AP

@Monkey:

The proportion thing has to do with Wolfwood's inability to understand our attitudes at having bad areas.

Oh, gotcha. You're talking about being desensitized from "not my problem" attitude due to the size of relatively less affected citizens, and not the actual cause of the problem.

Monkey King

@Aohige_AP:

Oh, gotcha. You're talking about being desensitized from "not my problem" attitude due to the size of relatively less affected citizens, and not the actual cause of the problem.

More that the sense of community in a smaller country doesn't really exist when you live eons from half these places and are so crowded in the area even then.
It's not just about crime. Chrissie's family knows their President and this isn't very strange, the idea of me knowing Obama personally is like me knowing Madonna personally or something.
It was friggin' strange even seeing a sense of community in Connecticut alone after the Newtown massacre.

Aohige_AP

Well, I live in a very low-crime rate, middle class area north of DFW.
But Oak Cliff, the slum of Dallas, is only 30 min away. Yet it feels like a problem elsewhere since we're so detached from it.

I've driven through the worst parts of Oak Cliff, Pleasant Grove (what an ironic name), and South Dallas.
Many parts of it was downright depressing, yet felt otherworldly.

Distance does attribute, but like wolfwood said, sometimes it's like only across the town and still feel desensitized and unrelated.

Monkey King

@Aohige_AP:

Well, I live in a very low-crime rate, middle class area north of DFW.
But Oak Cliff, the slum of Dallas, is only 30 min away. Yet it feels like a problem elsewhere since we're so detached from it.

I've driven through the worst parts of Oak Cliff, Pleasant Grove (what an ironic name), and South Dallas.
Many parts of it was downright depressing, yet felt otherworldly.

Distance does attribute, but like wolfwood said, sometimes it's like only across the town and still feel desensitized and unrelated.

That's true too. Bridgeport is kind of like that here.

Rogues' Gallery

@Aohige_AP:

Well, I live in a very low-crime rate, middle class area north of DFW.
But Oak Cliff, the slum of Dallas, is only 30 min away. Yet it feels like a problem elsewhere since we're so detached from it.

I've driven through the worst parts of Oak Cliff, Pleasant Grove (what an ironic name), and South Dallas.
Many parts of it was downright depressing, yet felt otherworldly.

Distance does attribute, but like wolfwood said, sometimes it's like only across the town and still feel desensitized and unrelated.

Wait, you live in Texas?

nigga I thought you lived in Japan.

Aohige_AP

@Rogues':

nigga I thought you lived in Japan.

I did. For nearly twenty years.

Ubiq

@Monkey:

I guess we've been urban way longer than Sweden is the thing then. We've been dealing with city gang violence since at least our civil war in the 1860's.
And like Ubiq says it's not anywhere near as bad as you imagine, you really are imagining like Baghdad!

That's a lot of the problem of using things like violent crime rates to determine how safe a city is; the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are perpetrated by somebody the victim knows and aren't directed at random tourists. Unless you get into a really, really bad part of Detroit and walk off onto an empty sidestreet, it's extremely unlikely you'll get mugged during broad daylight. You're not going to get into a cab and somebody take you hostage. You're not taking a fair chance of being blown up by some religious whackjob if you go to a farmer's market there.

wolfwood

@Monkey:

I guess we've been urban way longer than Sweden is the thing then. We've been dealing with city gang violence since at least our civil war in the 1860's.
And like Ubiq says it's not anywhere near as bad as you imagine, you really are imagining like Baghdad!

I think it could also be that my threshold for what constitues bad is low compared to most of the world

@cooldud_21:

What's the problem with Malmo? Is it something to do with immigrants?

Most of the bigger gangs are situated down there and it's the hub of the drug trade betwenn the continent and Sweden

There's also major unemployment with about a third of the cities population being subsidized by the state.

It's massively anti-semitic, as i recall some major jewish organisations have advised not to travel to Sweden due to the risk of being assaulted in the streets

It is also one of if not the place where you are most likely to get raped. Gang rape seems to be a communal sport down there

And then there's the mostly hushed up problem of honour killing. Where loving fathers throw their daughters of the balcony for disgracing the family

I realize that this might seem small petty in your eyes but it's unprecedented in my country

GuetaMinute

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A](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/05/obama-quip-sexist-a-compliment-both/?hpt=hp_t1)re you fucking kidding me? That was sexist. Apparently I've been sexist to my mom and girl friends forever. Sure it's not appropriate but he's heterosexual, they are friends, it was said in a lighthearted and jokingly manner and it was still just a compliment.

valiantt

Calling someone nice is considered a sexist act….OKAY...i suppose if a woman came up to me and said "hello handsome" i should give her an ugly look and call her a sexist pig.

Aohige_AP

The GOP is desperately trying to dump their image of bigots on someone else, and hope they look that way.

Monkey King

@wolfwoof:

It's massively anti-semitic, as i recall some major jewish organisations have advised not to travel to Sweden due to the risk of being assaulted in the streets

It is also one of if not the place where you are most likely to get raped. Gang rape seems to be a communal sport down there

And then there's the mostly hushed up problem of honour killing. Where loving fathers throw their daughters of the balcony for disgracing the family

I realize that this might seem small petty in your eyes but it's unprecedented in my country

Yeah actually that sounds way worse than anything in Detroit or New Orleans. Common Gang rapes? Honor killings? Anti-Semitism?
This is what we're comparing to poor black kids shooting each-other for control of drug turf?
Man what's with YOUR country lol.

wolfwood

@Monkey:

Yeah actually that sounds way worse than anything in Detroit or New Orleans. Common Gang rapes? Honor killings? Anti-Semitism?
This is what we're comparing to poor black kids shooting each-other for control of drug turf?

Is places like Detroit really that clean that the only thing you worry about is drug trading and the deaths involved there?

Cause that's not the image we've been getting. But i'd be glad if that's the case. One less hellhole to worry about

Man what's with YOUR country lol.

You mean what the hell is wrong with Malmö. And i ask myself that everyday

Oh and leftwing activists who work against facism using fascist methods. We've got lots of those

The noticible anti-semitism is a combination of the radical leftwing being super anti-Israel and the Arab immigration wave bringing in some fresh new contempt for the Jewish population

Most Jewish families have had to move out of Malmö due to this unholy union

Monkey King

@wolfwoof:

Is places like Detroit really that clean that the only thing you worry about is drug trading and the deaths involved there?

Robbery too of course. It's all in the game….and not so much in the murdering girls for having boyfriends, gang raping, and beating Jews. 0_o

Cause that's not the image we've been getting. But i'd be glad if that's the case. One less hellhole to worry about

No seriously, none of that nonsense is a problem in the US lol. Least of all active anti-semetism.

The noticible anti-semitism is a combination of the radical leftwing being super anti-Israel and the Arab immigration wave bringing in some fresh new contempt for the Jewish population

Is your left wing really that dumb lol. American Jews question Israeli policy pretty frequently, they're one of the strongest left leaning demographics we have.
Yet these dumbies in Sweden are like literally racists? Like the fascists they hate? wow lol

Most Jewish families have had to move out of Malmö due to this unholy union

I really don't get Europe's issue with Jews in this day and age.
Combined with the failed experiment that is Israel I guess I really am living in the real Zion over here.

No Maam

In other news, people in Bangladesh demand the introduction of the death penatly fo bloggers insulting islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/04/20134661058364976.html

Aohige_AP

@No:

In other news, people in Bangladesh demand the introduction of the death penatly fo bloggers insulting islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/04/20134661058364976.html

Yeah, yeah, stone those infidel bloggers all you want, we're just wondering when you'll stop ripping off our flag…. wait, what? they have bloggers in Bangladesh?

wolfwood

@Monkey:

Robbery too of course. It's all in the game….and not so much in the murdering girls for having boyfriends, gang raping, and beating Jews. 0_o

Guess we were lied to when we heard that atleast it's not as bad as the US lol

Rape, drugs, murder and robbery have been the four things associated with the seedier parts of the states. Good to know that it's only three out of the four

Is your left wing really that dumb lol. American Jews question Israeli policy pretty frequently, they're one of the strongest left leaning demographics we have.
Yet these dumbies in Sweden are like literally racists? Like the fascists they hate? wow lol

Oh no no they aren't racist. Since according to some social theory you can't be racist against someone who's in a position of superiority. Hence you can't be racist for hating Israel or zionism or whatever since you're on the underdogs side all you do in the name of that is peachy keen. That's about the gist of the convaluted logic that's used by the groups that claim that you sometimes have to use facist methods to stop facists. Like vandalism, death threats, riots, violent mob beatings and mapping out the opinions and political leanings of people in the area to keep track of your enemies. They're a wholesome bunch

Not that there aren't problem groups on both sides. But the way these groups claim complete moral superiority while doing all of this just rubs me the wrong way

Monkey King

@wolfwoof:

Oh no no they aren't racist. Since according to some social theory you can't be racist against someone who's in a position of superiority. Hence you can't be racist for hating Israel or zionism or whatever since you're on the underdogs side all you do in the name of that is peachy keen. That's about the gist of the convaluted logic that's used by the groups that claim that you sometimes have to use facist methods to stop facists. Like vandalism, death threats, riots, violent mob beatings and mapping out the opinions and political leanings of people in the area to keep track of your enemies. They're a wholesome bunch

There's nothing racist about hating Israel or Zionism. Now thinking Jews as a people are literally synonymous hiveminds with Israeli government policy on the other hand is like the very definition.
These guys would attack me for being American wouldn't they lol. Malmo is starting to sound more dangerous than Sarajevo lol.

Aohige_AP

I dislike Israel and I certainly do not like Zionism.

I love Jon Stewart and Einstein.

Monkey King

To be fair Zionism isn't like bad. Inherently.
But in general. Yeah, nationalist irredentism is 90% bad no matter what group does it, since unless they have a hard on for Antarctica their plans will involve some other people being in the way, and that never ever ever ever is a good idea.

cooldud

@No:

In other news, people in Bangladesh demand the introduction of the death penatly fo bloggers insulting islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/04/20134661058364976.html

That's nothing new. Just look at Bangladesh's Hindu population since 1947 onwards.
Bangladesh is a cesspit. They export illegal immigrants in droves to India. And deny it. They export illegal immigrants to Myanmar. And deny it.