You dislike the world that it portrays, or you dislike the actual book?
The, well, tone. I understand it's supposed to be like that, but, compared to Animal Farm, it's so grim that I found it a realy unpleasent experience to finish reading it.
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@No:
The, well, tone. I understand it's supposed to be like that, but, compared to Animal Farm, it's so grim that I found it a realy unpleasent experience to finish reading it.
I know what you mean. I would have called it "inaccessible", but yeah.
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If they were actually trigger happy, they would have blown someone up by now. It's all just big words and loud noise to cover up for how much things are actually sucking there right now.
The "evidently" was supposed to portray sarcasm, as you have stated, they haven't done anything, but this certainly gives them a reason too lol
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Roger Ebert died :(
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Son of a bitch.
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/roger-ebert-dies-at-70-1200333136/Just…...why? :(
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I didn't always agree with him, but I respected him as the expert in a field that I love.
It sucks that I never got to meet him.
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Wish it were true.
In other queer news:
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/thousands-demand-court-stops-jailing-people-not-telling-sex-partners-they-are-trans030413 Basically, trans people can be jailed in Scotland, if they don't disclose their "gender history" to their sexual partner. -
Oh SNAP!!!
hears the sound of a million Cathloics writhing on the ground
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Wait, it's a false article?!
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The Daily Currant is called "The Global Satirical Newspaper", LOL.
Whelp guess I've almost filled out my idiot quota bingo card for the day.
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Whelp guess I've almost filled out my idiot quota bingo card for the day.
Yep. This is another of their pieces:
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The Daily Currant is called "The Global Satirical Newspaper", LOL.
I'd never even heard of it before in my life, but I mean, come on, when one of the related, 'you might also like' articles at the bottom is "Supreme Court May Limit Gay Marriage to 'Attractive Lesbians'", that has to set off some alarms, I'd think.
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I always did wonder what the proper etiquette was when you're transgender
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The Daily Currant is called "The Global Satirical Newspaper", LOL.
What's The Onion called then?
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@wolfwoof:
I always did wonder what the proper etiquette was when you're transgender
In an actual relationship, disclosure almost always happens. Even after SRS, they would notice that you take hormones, that you dilate, and that you can't have kids. Not to mention, if you're part of queer culture, you're probably with a queer person anyway, and you're gonna be talking about those issues all the time.
It's only the self-hating trans people who try to blend into cis culture, that end up in long-standing relationships without disclosure. They're called "stealth". Well, a lot of stealth folks choose to disclose, but some of them don't. Like the girl in Texas who never told her husband, and then when the state found out, she couldn't inherit anything of his (he died in a fire).
The other time when disclosure doesn't happen, is when you're part of the club scene. I'm not really into this, but some T-girls (and T-guys) have hook-ups pretty often, and after SRS, it would actually be more dangerous to disclose than to keep it private. Of course, before SRS, you're probably going to get killed, but that's another story with a lot more racial intersection.
So yeah… If you don't hate yourself and you're in it for the long haul, you're probably gonna disclose.
@cooldud_21:
What's The Onion called then?
America's Finest News Source.
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@wolfwoof:
I always did wonder what the proper etiquette was when you're transgender
Honestly, I'm not really sure how to properly broach this topic, since it's obviously quite a sensitive one, but I really don't even think I understand the issue in the article Crystal linked. That is to say, the article refers to a transgender person that was accused of 'obtaining sexual intimacy through fraud' with two young teenage girls.
Now, first of all, unless I misunderstand the article, the person in question lied about their age, and the girls in question were under the age of consent, which seems to be would have been illegal regardless of any sort of gender identity issues. That aside, though – and this is where I enter into territory where I will very possibly not use the proper amount of tact -- I just don't see how the gender identity could even have possibly played a role in having sex. If the person in question identified as male, but was still physically female, then I can't help but feel that would become rather obvious by the time clothes were removed, at which point, if this were a deal breaker for the other party, they could simply back out. If the person both identified as male, and appeared physically male, then the only possible relevance I could see is that their physical birth sex was different -- something that, to me, could only be of concern as a result of a discriminatory bias.
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America's Finest News Source.
The Daily Show?
@Panda:
I'd never even heard of it before in my life, but I mean, come on, when one of the related, 'you might also like' articles at the bottom is "Supreme Court May Limit Gay Marriage to 'Attractive Lesbians'", that has to set off some alarms, I'd think.
Hey, lesbians are hot! But gays are just so icky!
@Panda:
If the person both identified as male, and appeared physically male, then the only possible relevance I could see is that their physical birth sex was different – something that, to me, could only be of concern as a result of a discriminatory bias.
I see what you did there.
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Robby likes it doggystyle. You can tell by his husky avatar
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In an actual relationship, disclosure almost always happens. Even after SRS, they would notice that you take hormones, that you dilate, and that you can't have kids. Not to mention, if you're part of queer culture, you're probably with a queer person anyway, and you're gonna be talking about those issues all the time.
The other time when disclosure doesn't happen, is when you're part of the club scene. I'm not really into this, but some T-girls (and T-guys) have hook-ups pretty often, and after SRS, it would actually be more dangerous to disclose than to keep it private. Of course, before SRS, you're probably going to get killed, but that's another story with a lot more racial intersection. .
What is queer exactly? I've heard the word before and all. But i always thought it was just an insult for gay men
And what racial dimension is there to transgender people being attacked at clubs?
Probably stupid questions to you but i'm way out of the loop lol
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@RobbyBevard:
I see what you did there.
Oh, that's good, because I honestly think I rather lost track of my own point somewhere along the way, whatever it had been. At least it ended up making sense to one of us, then!
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@Panda:
That aside, though – and this is where I enter into territory where I will very possibly not use the proper amount of tact -- I just don't see how the gender identity could even have possibly played a role in having sex. If the person in question identified as male, but was still physically female, then I can't help but feel that would become rather obvious by the time clothes were removed, at which point, if this were a deal breaker for the other party, they could simply back out. If the person both identified as male, and appeared physically male, then the only possible relevance I could see is that their physical birth sex was different -- something that, to me, could only be of concern as a result of a discriminatory bias.
This article is extremely confusing to me, because these disclosure arguments almost always center around trans women, mostly because people just don't care about trans men as much, and in part because trans women can actually receive SRS.
Now, how could a trans guy actually have genital sex with someone else, without disclosing? I can understand if they got to the bedroom before disclosure, but it just seems unfeasible to me that a girl had sex with this guy without knowing he was trans? UNLESS it wasn't genital sex on his part, and we're talking about oral or fingers or a strap-on or something of that nature. I don't know, the whole thing is confusing to me without more information.
Without those details, we can't really know when this guy disclosed. But I'm mostly upset by the legislation itself, and the idea that you ALWAYS have to disclose your "gender history" before you have sex (as long as it's consensual). I hope they don't send this dude to a woman's facility.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/04/us-usa-guns-connecticut-idUSBRE9330L420130404
Good. But… not good enough. But it;s a start.
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Now, how could a trans guy actually have genital sex with someone else, without disclosing? I can understand if they got to the bedroom before disclosure, but it just seems unfeasible to me that a girl had sex with this guy without knowing he was trans? UNLESS it wasn't genital sex on his part, and we're talking about oral or fingers or a strap-on or something of that nature. I don't know, the whole thing is confusing to me without more information.
Yeah, this right here is basically what was confusing me, although I realize that in a sense it's beside the point, as far as the principle of the thing goes.
On that topic, though, I actually am somewhat conflicted. By and large, I want to simply agree with your stance that it is absurd that someone should have to disclose that sort of information. What gives me pause, however, is that I do feel someone should be allowed to choose who they do or do not have sexual relations with based on absolutely whatever standards they wish. If I may draw a parallel, I, for example, feel that if someone would not want to engage in intercourse with another person purely based on their race, then they should be allowed to make that decision. I would most likely consider them racist for it, and judge them accordingly, but I would still defend their right to make that choice.
That is a standard I must, to be consistent with myself, apply to this case as well. I might feel a person's choices are bigoted, but I still feel they have a right to those choices, so long as they do not harm others. Of course, as you say, requiring disclose would likely have severely negative consequences for the trans community; so what's the answer here? In a way, it doesn't seem as if there is any good choice, and I suppose that's what bothers me.
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So instead of charging him as pedophile they're charging him as a trans person? What the fuck?
@Monkey:
Roger Ebert died :(
That's too bad =(
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@Panda:
Yeah, this right here is basically what was confusing me, although I realize that in a sense it's beside the point, as far as the principle of the thing goes.
On that topic, though, I actually am somewhat conflicted. By and large, I want to simply agree with your stance that it is absurd that someone should have to disclose that sort of information. What gives me pause, however, is that I do feel someone should be allowed to choose who they do or do not have sexual relations with based on absolutely whatever standards they wish. If I may draw a parallel, I, for example, feel that if someone would not want to engage in intercourse with another person purely based on their race, then they should be allowed to make that decision. I would most likely consider them racist for it, and judge them accordingly, but I would still defend their right to make that choice.
Yeah, but what's the limit on how much information you're required to disclose? Like should a mixed race person be like "yo, I'm half Korean/half Polish btw, just in case you didn't want to fuck me" to a hookup? I think personal standards are fine, but the law shouldn't be coming down on people just because some feel insecure about who they're attracted to.
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So instead of charging him as pedophile they're charging him as a trans person? What the fuck?
Yeah, this is honestly the most immediately messed up part of the article to me, but I haven't really touched on it since I don't feel there's much to discuss, as opposed to with the underlying issues.
Yeah, but what's the limit on how much information you're required to disclose? Like should a mixed race person be like "yo, I'm half Korean/half Polish btw, just in case you didn't want to fuck me" to a hookup? I think personal standards are fine, but the law shouldn't be coming down on people just because some feel insecure about who they're attracted to.
This is exactly my issue, you've probably expressed it far better than I have. The mixed-race comparison is actually precisely one I was thinking of as I wrote my post. I think we, thankfully, live in a world today where most people would agree that requiring someone volunteer their racial heritage would be absurd. On the other paw, though, I feel if someone was asked what race they were by a potential partner, and intentionally lied about it, then they would have been in the wrong.
And that, now that I think about it, brings me to what I feel is the crux of the issue in this case. Did the accused lie about their gender? From their point of view, they did not; from the partner's (and, it seems, court's) point of view, they did. It's honestly difficult for me to say that either side is necessarily in the wrong, on that, much as I might like to. Having tried to find more information on the case, it appears that the person in question was still physically female at the time; if that's correct, then honestly, regardless of him identifying as male, I don't think it was right to be intentionally misleading about his physical sex.
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@Panda:
And that, now that I think about it, brings me to what I feel is the crux of the issue in this case. Did the accused lie about their gender? From their point of view, they did not; from the partner's (and, it seems, court's) point of view, they did. It's honestly difficult for me to say that either side is necessarily in the wrong, on that, much as I might like to. Having tried to find more information on the case, it appears that the person in question was still physically female at the time; if that's correct, then honestly, regardless of him identifying as male, I don't think it was right to be intentionally misleading about his physical sex.
Yeah its a touchy thing. Like as far as some trans people are concerned, he is a male regardless of biology so he's not hiding anything.
And I do think many people get unjustifiably upset when this gets revealed to them, which could lead to safety issues.But that clearly wasn't the case with that guy, and I do think what he did was wrong. But the law should stay out of it. Except, you know, the pedophilia thing…
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@wolfwoof:
What is queer exactly? I've heard the word before and all. But i always thought it was just an insult for gay men
It's a re-appropriated term yeah. Depending on your age you've probably heard it that way and just not realized it shifted in the late 90s and only caught on in the aught year
Queer is like everything there is to LGBT-etc culture, it's really simple because it's basically all encompassing. Like, instead of saying LGBTQBTBWEA, you just say queer. Sexualities and identities galore.
On a more blatant really simplified definition level it refers to the general spectrum of people that don't identify as both heterosexual and cisgender at the same time (i.e. people that were born women, are women, and are attracted to men and only men, which we can just say is basically "Straight". If you're not straight, you're queer).
That's really it. It's just the big collective term for all the various parties of the sexual and gender spectrum.
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@wolfwoof:
What is queer exactly? I've heard the word before and all. But i always thought it was just an insult for gay men
The Beast already answered you, so I won't spend too much time on it.
I usually use it instead of reciting the alphabet of identities. And unlike "gay", it encompasses gender identity as well as sexuality.
@wolfwoof:
And what racial dimension is there to transgender people being attacked at clubs?
Not specifically at clubs, but the vast majority of trans women who are attacked and killed, are women of color. In the United States, the majority of those crimes occur in urban areas like Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans. If you're talkin' worldwide, Brazil is THE killing ground for trans women, and much of Latin America follows the same trend.
Trans women of color are also much more likely to be killed by a sexual partner or someone they know intimately, while white trans women are more likely to be attacked by strangers. This last point is solely based on my knowledge of America, though. Don't know how that translates to places like Brazil, where you get shot in the street.
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@Monkey:
Roger Ebert died :(
Son of a bitch.
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/roger-ebert-dies-at-70-1200333136/Just…...why? :(
Damn.
Well, at least he's reunited with Siskel and providing their excellent educated opinions for the denizens of heaven now..
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It's only the self-hating trans people who try to blend into cis culture, that end up in long-standing relationships without disclosure. They're called "stealth".
I think I take offense to this… I consider myself "Stealth" (Here's different, I mean in my day to day life) and I disclose to EVERY person I go on more than one date with.
Not specifically at clubs, but the vast majority of trans women who are attacked and killed, are women of color. In the United States, the majority of those crimes occur in urban areas like Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans. If you're talkin' worldwide, Brazil is THE killing ground for trans women, and much of Latin America follows the same trend.
Don't forget Jamaica. Jamaica is hell on earth if you're trans. I have a Jamaican friend who is like "I am so glad I'm out of that nightmare".
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who's evidently trigger happy.
They'e anything but trigger happy. I believe the accurate word is "attention whore".
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They'e anything but trigger happy. I believe the accurate word is "attention whore".
I think the best way to look at the recent crisis is Kim Jong Un being an immature manchild throwing a temper tantrum.
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I think I take offense to this… I consider myself "Stealth" (Here's different, I mean in my day to day life) and I disclose to EVERY person I go on more than one date with.
I'm thinking you and CrystalShip have two different definitions for "stealth".
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@The:
It's a re-appropriated term yeah. Depending on your age you've probably heard it that way and just not realized it shifted in the late 90s and only caught on in the aught year
Queer is like everything there is to LGBT-etc culture, it's really simple because it's basically all encompassing. Like, instead of saying LGBTQBTBWEA, you just say queer. Sexualities and identities galore.
On a more blatant really simplified definition level it refers to the general spectrum of people that don't identify as both heterosexual and cisgender at the same time (i.e. people that were born women, are women, and are attracted to men and only men, which we can just say is basically "Straight". If you're not straight, you're queer).
That's really it. It's just the big collective term for all the various parties of the sexual and gender spectrum.
I hear the phrase queer perspective or queer theory being used all day everyday so it's kinda nice to actually know what it means
I think one of our major parties is a queer enviromental party
Not specifically at clubs, but the vast majority of trans women who are attacked and killed, are women of color. In the United States, the majority of those crimes occur in urban areas like Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans. If you're talkin' worldwide, Brazil is THE killing ground for trans women, and much of Latin America follows the same trend.
Trans women of color are also much more likely to be killed by a sexual partner or someone they know intimately, while white trans women are more likely to be attacked by strangers. This last point is solely based on my knowledge of America, though. Don't know how that translates to places like Brazil, where you get shot in the street.
Well isn't that because places like Detroit is about as bad as it gets stateside
Like wouldn't the majority of anybody be killed in places like Detroit
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@wolfwoof:
Well isn't that because places like Detroit is about as bad as it gets stateside
Like wouldn't the majority of anybody be killed in places like Detroit
Detroit is a sad depressed city that lost it's industry, and so poor people start selling drugs, and shoot eachother over it sometimes.
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They'e anything but trigger happy. I believe the accurate word is "attention whore".
Obviously my error but I was trying to portray sarcasm because they aren't trigger happy xD
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@Monkey:
Detroit is a sad depressed city that lost it's industry, and so poor people start selling drugs, and shoot eachother over it sometimes.
It's not Mogadishu lol.Well where is the relative Mogadishu within the US borders then?
As in where are you most likely to get killed
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@wolfwoof:
Well where is the relative Mogadishu within the US borders then?
As in where are you most likely to get killed
I spent thirty seconds staring at this question trying to figure out how to react
Handsome man save me from the monsters.
Avatar credits to rcerione
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@wolfwoof:
Well where is the relative Mogadishu within the US borders then?
As in where are you most likely to get killed
Zephos will call me out for being wrong on this, and I know that I probably am, but seeing as how I live in East Bay California, my vote would be Oakland. Every time I watch the morning news and every night I watch the evening news, somebody's been shot/killed/robbed/stabbed or any combination of the four.
I know it's not AS bad as the Media reports, but Jeez that city has a bad rep…..Never hear anything positive come out of Oakland do you...
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@wolfwoof:
Well where is the relative Mogadishu within the US borders then?
As in where are you most likely to get killed
Bodymore, Murdaland
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Detroit still has a nice downtown area, went there for a Red Wings game once
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I think I take offense to this… I consider myself "Stealth" (Here's different, I mean in my day to day life) and I disclose to EVERY person I go on more than one date with.
I'm sorry… I tried to say that most stealth people disclose, but I guess I was juggling two definitions.
Even I'm technically stealth in the sense that I pass in most social situations, unless I disclose to the people around me. So, I guess if your definition of "stealth" is something like "they pass most of the time", then yeah, the VAST majority of stealth people disclose to their partners. Including me.
But my definition was something like, "they remove themselves entirely from queer life and queer culture". I've met some trans people who take this to the extreme, to the point of hating all other queer folks, and refusing to recognize that they themselves are on the LGBT spectrum. I met this one trans guy (a label he rejected) who had zero respect for trans women, and referred to them as "trannies". He would even bash pride parades, feminine gay guys, butch dykes... Anything that strayed from the homonormative. It's actually pretty terrifying when you realize how powerful societal pressure must be, to make people hate themselves and their identities so profoundly that they direct their hate towards other people like themselves.
I guess I shouldn't be judging, because that used to be me.
I'm thinking you and CrystalShip have two different definitions for "stealth".
CS is using it entirely focusing on the relationship aspect (his definition doesn't apply to you it seems).Yeah, something like that.
BTW, I'm MtF, not FtM. :P
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i miss being younger and just living da stealth life
There's still this weird dissonance between all my friends who met me when I was a girl (and a few years later really surprised to learn I was trans) who still call me she and everybody after where pronouns seem up in the air because they know I look hunky dudey now and don't even try to look like a girl.
I think most of AP falls into the latter and my NPC friends the former
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@The:
i miss being younger and just living da stealth life
Shoulda got hormones, guess you just didn't work hard enough, ya lazy-ass tranny.
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So how's the war going with North Korea?
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I](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9974711/North-Korea-releases-video-of-Kim-Jong-un-firing-a-handgun.html) love how he has no fucking idea how to use a gun
and he didn't even fire at all. What a fraud.
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@wolfwoof:
Well where is the relative Mogadishu within the US borders then?
As in where are you most likely to get killed
Looking at the 2011 numbers, looks like 250k+ population cities with the highest homicide rate per capita (per 100k) is:
New Orleans - 57.6
Detroit - 48.2
St Louis - 35.3
Newark - 33.8Detroit crime rates are really high in general too.
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@wolfwoof:
Well where is the relative Mogadishu within the US borders then?
As in where are you most likely to get killed
The highest murder rate in the United States for an individual city is New Orleans, but there are tons of places in New Orleans that are perfectly safe to walk through.
So how's the war going with North Korea?
Pretty much the same as it has been the last six decades.
Complicating things since 2009.
