It will be awesome if each Yonkou represents each power
Shanks - No DF
Newgate - Paramecia
Kaidou - Zoan
Ms. Linlin - Logia
It will be awesome if each Yonkou represents each power
Shanks - No DF
Newgate - Paramecia
Kaidou - Zoan
Ms. Linlin - Logia
It will be awesome if each Yonkou represents each power
Shanks - No DF
Newgate - Paramecia
Kaidou - Zoan
Ms. Linlin - Logia
Yeah but we know at least 2 of the Yonkou have haki and CoC (it's a very safe bet all 4 including BB have all 3 types of haki). Also BB has the logia and paramecia as well, I don't think I'd like Big Mam as a logia because it'd be too similar to Magellan's fruit acid/poison.
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As for Big Mam not being like the silhouette when Garp talked about the Yonkou she was different but again she wasn't completely changed. The guy in the upper left of the "New Age" page could be Kaidou but it's not even close to the earlier silhouette so it might not be. Big Mam's teeth and lips were changed but her old hag/monsterous hag outline is very similar.
I hope at least one of the yonkou doesn't have the Conqueror haki. Proving that you doesn't need it to mark the world.
I hope at least one of the yonkou doesn't have the Conqueror haki. Proving that you doesn't need it to mark the world.
Maybe, BB doesn't have it, as he already has at least two hax DFs.I'm not sure of it though, as it seems like most people on the top have it.
@Gear:
Maybe, BB doesn't have it, as he already has at least two hax DFs.I'm not sure of it though, as it seems like most people on the top have it.
BB is the rival. You can be sure he'll have it.
Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but anyone think Kaidou will take a lot of interest in Chopper, not only because he is a Zoan, but because he knows how to make rumble balls.
Image Kaidou in monster point. :P
Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but anyone think Kaidou will take a lot of interest in Chopper, not only because he is a Zoan, but because he knows how to make rumble balls.
Image Kaidou in monster point. :P
Kaido might already be an awakened zoan, though.
Awakened Zoan > Monster Point.
I think that too (that BB must have the Conq.Haki), by the way BB talks about his dream annd the belief he has on them.
Kaido might already be an awakened zoan, though.
Awakened Zoan > Monster Point.
I like this theory a lot, I can understand him maybe wanting rumble balls for his army, but he probably wouldn't need them if he is an awakened zoan, with all the perks that come with being an awakened.
And yeh, Blackbeard most definitely has conquers haki, I'd find it strange if he didn't. xD
I don't think Blackbeard has Colour of the Conqueror. He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned warrior of the seas. He has had enough screentime. If he had it, he should have used it by now.
I like the idea of Blackbeard not having CoC. It would drive the point home that Blackbeard managed to become what he is currently because of clever scheming instead of willpower.
I like the idea of Blackbeard not having CoC. It would drive the point home that Blackbeard managed to become what he is currently because of clever scheming instead of willpower.
Didn't Shanks say to Whitebeard that Blackbeard was going to head for the top with his own will, which he did.
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Didn't Shanks say to Whitebeard that Blackbeard was going to head for the top with his own will, which he did.
But only the Colour of Armament and the Colour of Observation can be trained by sheer will. The Colour of the Conqueror is just there or it isn't, it's existence in an individual is unrelated to willpower. Blackbeard, being a D, might have it, but it looks unlikely.
Another possible interpretation of "With his own will" is that he'll be pirating as a captain rather than as another pirate's crewmember.
Until it is confirmed what having CoC is actually useful for, I don't really care whether Blabkbeard has it or not.
At first glance I'd say he doesn't because he is an evil son of a bitch, on the other hand he did rise to the top so it'd be logical for him to have it. And Dofla has it too.
But as I said, as long as CoC appears to only be able to take out fodders and people not worth fighting anyways, I don't really care whether he has it or not.
Didn't Shanks say to Whitebeard that Blackbeard was going to head for the top with his own will, which he did.
hmm that's a good catch, I honestly didn't think too much about this statement before you pointed it out
I actually hate how much value people are putting in haoshoku haki now! Is it really that you can't achieve greatness on your own; that you have to be some kind of messiah? "You want to become a pirate king? Suuur… wait so you don't have haoshoku haki? Oh sorry, but there's no way you can do it! Best for you to surrender to marines right now. Yup, these seas only belong to the elite!" :getlost: Doesn't that kinda contradict with One Piece's actual themes of pursuing your dreams and freedom?
@Light:
I actually hate how much value people are putting in haoshoku haki now! Is it really that you can't achieve greatness on your own; that you have to be some kind of messiah? "You want to become a pirate king? Suuur… wait so you don't have haoshoku haki? Oh sorry, but there's no way you can do it! Best for you to surrender to marines right now. Yup, these seas only belong to the elite!" :getlost: Doesn't that kinda contradict with One Piece's actual themes of pursuing your dreams and freedom?
Haki is willpower. Especially CoC, which is basically the strenght of your spirit. To become Pirate King you need a strong will.
I second Jacker on this one.
Having CoC doesn't mean to be just born with it by chance, it has to be within your personality to actually HAVE that strong will.
of course you are born with that personality, but its not like you have to get born with a certain power the way it is in for example Naruto.
if you have a strong will you survive and become great. if you dont have the will or power to do shit you die.
Before we go to off-topic I'll post my answer here.
Going by the physical size of the original Yonkous:
-Shanks was the average size of a male human
-Whitebeard was an extremely tall/ big dude for a human. Less than a giant but definitely larger than a normal sized human like Shanks
-Big Mom is even bigger than Whitebeard, like at least twice his size
Going by this pattern (or the reverse), I'm gonna say that Kaido is a dwarf. It's most likely already been mentioned on the board so forgive me for restating it. I would like to say that I think Kaido is amassing an army of powerful zoan devil fruit users because he, being a dwarf, has a size inferiority complex, so he want's be "big". Maybe that can even be a quirk or gag for him.
The problem with this theory is that it goes against everything we've heard of the man, that he is ruthless and apparently the strongest creature in the world. When we read that, or at least when I did, I got the immediate impression that this guy must be built like a tank and be physically imposing. Even the few snippets of his picture and silhouette make us believe he's big. Him turning out to be a mean little dwarf…you can imagine then, that his size would just be a real testament to his prowess in combat.
Oh well it's all speculation, but hopefully we get his reveal in chapter 700.
Guys I had a dream this morning, it was about Kaido- Kaido's color was green and some of his men was wearing red, his men wore this fur like cloth and was carrying axe n swords, but they was a kid in his crew and Kaido himself wasn't all that bad, he was just a pure businessman who want things to be done quick quick. And yeah his ship color is green aswell(looks almost like Z ship).
Going by the physical size of the original Yonkous:
-Shanks was the average size of a male human
-Whitebeard was an extremely tall/ big dude for a human. Less than a giant but definitely larger than a normal sized human like Shanks
-Big Mom is even bigger than Whitebeard, like at least twice his sizeGoing by this pattern (or the reverse), I'm gonna say that Kaido is a dwarf. It's most likely already been mentioned on the board so forgive me for restating it. I would like to say that I think Kaido is amassing an army of powerful zoan devil fruit users because he, being a dwarf, has a size inferiority complex, so he want's be "big". Maybe that can even be a quirk or gag for him.
The problem with this theory is that it goes against everything we've heard of the man, that he is ruthless and apparently the strongest creature in the world. When we read that, or at least when I did, I got the immediate impression that this guy must be built like a tank and be physically imposing. Even the few snippets of his picture and silhouette make us believe he's big. Him turning out to be a mean little dwarf…you can imagine then, that his size would just be a real testament to his prowess in combat.
Oh well it's all speculation, but hopefully we get his reveal in chapter 700.
Dwarves are humans, though. And from what we know, Kaido isn't a human.
I'm still sticking with my prediction that he is a Minkman.
@Foxy:
Dwarves are humans, though. And from what we know, Kaido isn't a human.
Dwarves =/= Humans, just not like Giants =/= Humans (especially in fantasy). They may look like Humans, but, they're not.
Dwarves were listed separately from humans at the Auction House on SA; they're a separate race.
@The:
Dwarves =/= Humans, just not like Giants =/= Humans (especially in fantasy). They may look like Humans, but, they're not.
Dwarves were listed separately from humans at the Auction House on SA.
But it's called the "Human Auction House" and Giants are referred to as "men."
Fishmen on the other hand are classified as Fish by a lot of people. Minkmen may have a similar situation where they are regarded as wild animals.
@Foxy:
But it's called the "Human Auction House" and Giants are referred to as "men."
Fishmen on the other hand are classified as Fish by a lot of people. Minkmen may have a similar situation where they are regarded as wild animals.
This is the list from the Auction House:
Humans: 500,000
Longarm Tribe: 700,000
Longleg Tribe: 700,000
Snakeneck Tribe: 700,000
Minkmen: 700,000
Dwarves: 700,000
Fishmen: 1,000,000
Giants:
Male: 50,000,000
Female: 10,000,000
Merfolk:
Male: 1,000,000
Female under 30 years old (tail not split yet): 70,000,000
Female over 30 years old (split tail): 10,000,000
Devil Fruit users: market rates.
They're listed differently. And knowing Oda, they probably will be quite different.
Going by the physical size of the original Yonkous:
-Shanks was the average size of a male human
-Whitebeard was an extremely tall/ big dude for a human. Less than a giant but definitely larger than a normal sized human like Shanks
-Big Mom is even bigger than Whitebeard, like at least twice his sizeGoing by this pattern (or the reverse), I'm gonna say that Kaido is a dwarf. It's most likely already been mentioned on the board so forgive me for restating it. I would like to say that I think Kaido is amassing an army of powerful zoan devil fruit users because he, being a dwarf, has a size inferiority complex, so he want's be "big". Maybe that can even be a quirk or gag for him.
The problem with this theory is that it goes against everything we've heard of the man, that he is ruthless and apparently the strongest creature in the world. When we read that, or at least when I did, I got the immediate impression that this guy must be built like a tank and be physically imposing. Even the few snippets of his picture and silhouette make us believe he's big. Him turning out to be a mean little dwarf…you can imagine then, that his size would just be a real testament to his prowess in combat.
Oh well it's all speculation, but hopefully we get his reveal in chapter 700.
Wouldn't it make more sense for him to be a Giant instead? I imagine that Giants are considerably stronger than Dwarfs physically, and it seems odd if the "Strongest creature in the world" is something other than the race whose babies are 10-stories tall.
Wouldn't it make more sense for him to be a Giant instead? I imagine that Giants are considerably stronger than Dwarfs physically, and it seems odd if the "Strongest creature in the world" is something other than the race whose babies are 10-stories tall.
Never underestimate one's strength by their size. You can be a Titan in a small body.
Look at someone like Yoda from STAR WARS.
@The:
Never underestimate one's strength by their size. You can be a Titan in a small body.
Oh I know, I just think the body helps :).
Kaidou can definitely be a giant, and I would have no problem with that. If he is a giant he'll still follow the pattern of the size of the original Yonkous (Shanks < Whitebeard < Big Mom < Kaidou) rather than being placed before Shanks. But in the realm of One Piece, strength does not depend on the size of the person. There are a hell of a lot of examples riddled throughout the manga proving this. As such, he doesn't necessarily have to be a giant to be labeled "The Strongest Creature in the World." He can be a dwarf and eat giants for breakfast, as would be expected from a Yonkou.
As for what kind of Devil Fruit he'll have, it'll mirror his personality I think, or compliment it at least. Sort of like how Doflamingo has strings component for a Devil Fruit power (pulling strings, manipulating people, being behind the scenes kind of guy). Someone on the forums brought up that he'll have a Typhoon Zoan (kudos to you man), which is badass as hell, but I think that's a bit over powered. But hey, I'd absolutely LOVE to see it.
I'm betting he'll have some ridiculous Mythical Zoan. Of what type or model? I'll wait on that and let the reveal be a surprise.
What is moria btw?
I don't think he is a human or a giant.
Being Kaidou's rival, I pressume that kaidou is the same kind of thing, only stronger.
kinda like arlong and jembei
What is moria btw?
I don't think he is a human or a giant.
Being Kaidou's rival, I pressume that kaidou is the same kind of thing, only stronger.
kinda like arlong and jembei
He's just a tall human with horns. Nothing unusual by OP standards.
Maybe that's why Moria got pimp slapped. He insulted Kaidou's small size (if he is a Dwarf), and Kaidou doesn't like that; so he crushed his crew and pimp slapped Moria.
@The:
Maybe that's why Moria got pimp slapped. He insulted Kaidou's small size (if he is a Dwarf), and Kaidou doesn't like that; so he crushed his crew and pimp slapped Moria.
LOL, that would make a lot of sense.
Are Mihawk and Moria the only Shichibukai that fought on par with a Yonkou? For Mihawk there was Shanks, and they're probably still somewhat equals. Moria once fought on fair ground with Kaidou but after his defeat Moria just regressed horribly, kind of sad really. The arc with Kaidou will most likely show us a fit Moria, can't wait to see him again!
I think Kuma could be close to an Yonkou, just a step under though.
Are Mihawk and Moria the only Shichibukai that fought on par with a Yonkou? For Mihawk there was Shanks, and they're probably still somewhat equals. Moria once fought on fair ground with Kaidou but after his defeat Moria just regressed horribly, kind of sad really. The arc with Kaidou will most likely show us a fit Moria, can't wait to see him again!
I think Kuma could be close to an Yonkou, just a step under though.
Don´t know about prior to his operation but now definitely not. Ivankov was fighting him equally and he/she is nowhere near a Yonkou
Am i the only one here who doesn't want to see Moria again? I mean, I won't mind seeing him get beat up again but there is something about him that I just dislike a lot!
Am i the only one here who doesn't want to see Moria again? I mean, I won't mind seeing him get beat up again but there is something about him that I just dislike a lot!
No, you´re not the only one
Am i the only one here who doesn't want to see Moria again? I mean, I won't mind seeing him get beat up again but there is something about him that I just dislike a lot!
The fact that is the main antagonist of the worst and most unimportant ark of One Piece?
The fact that is the main antagonist of the worst and most unimportant ark of One Piece?
the main antagonist of skypiea was Ener
I liked Skypiea, Thriller Bark and Mermaid Island. All three were important, added something to the overall plot that was intrinsic to the arc and left the heroes with a definite gain from when they started the arc.
Foxy, though…
Anyway. Here's hoping we get a better idea about Kaidou's army in the near future.
Are Mihawk and Moria the only Shichibukai that fought on par with a Yonkou? For Mihawk there was Shanks, and they're probably still somewhat equals. Moria once fought on fair ground with Kaidou but after his defeat Moria just regressed horribly, kind of sad really. The arc with Kaidou will most likely show us a fit Moria, can't wait to see him again!
I think Kuma could be close to an Yonkou, just a step under though.
Any evidence that Moria was on par with Kaido? I find this hard to believe.
Am i the only one here who doesn't want to see Moria again? I mean, I won't mind seeing him get beat up again but there is something about him that I just dislike a lot!
How can you not like him?
Any evidence that Moria was on par with Kaido? I find this hard to believe.
it was said by one of the people who got their shadows back at the end of TB, i don't remember the chapter though
Any evidence that Moria was on par with Kaido? I find this hard to believe.
It was stated by a pirate when people regained their shadows.
but we don't know when they fought,maybe they were both rookies at the time..we can say the same for mihawk vs shanks,we know that they were equal,but we don't know how much time ago that was the case,and how much one of them may have advanced more than the other during that time
@Devil:
How can you not like him? http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7003/2nitzr4.png
Everything about him just makes me want to punch my screen! But I wouldn't mind seeing him again just so Dofla or someone ass can beat him up for good
Are Mihawk and Moria the only Shichibukai that fought on par with a Yonkou? For Mihawk there was Shanks, and they're probably still somewhat equals. Moria once fought on fair ground with Kaidou but after his defeat Moria just regressed horribly, kind of sad really. The arc with Kaidou will most likely show us a fit Moria, can't wait to see him again!
I think Kuma could be close to an Yonkou, just a step under though.
We don't know if Kaidou was a yonkou when he fought Moria( we don't even know if he really became weaker) and it's the same for shanks and Mihawk(it was before the start of One Piece.The shanks that didn't have a sniper and lost his arm to some random sea monster).
My theory on what Kaido is.
Is the face of Diamante not the same kind of face that the character who is on the color spread? The character who is maybe Kaido.
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/720805Kaido.png http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/858417Diamante.png
Sorry for my english.
It was never stated that Moriah fought Kaidou on equal grounds. That topic was brought up so often and people always get it wrong. Personally I doubt that Moriah stood a chance.
It was never stated that Moriah fought Kaidou on equal grounds. That topic was brought up so often and people always get it wrong. Personally I doubt that Moriah stood a chance.
Yes it was.
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