Looking at this thread I dont get why half of you watch One Piece…
The Best and the Worst of One Piece in 2012
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Oh General Punk Hazard bitching thread? MY FAVORATE! LET´S DO IT (on floor)!
• Best moment of the year: When Tashigi thinks she need to stay. (Srly got me chills first, then right on next chapter: KICK IN THE NUTS)
• Character of the year: Sanji (great stuff, supporter of the year, great seeing him dropped of from monster trio)
• Best plot twist: Plot twist? Well… maybe when pure adventure feel turns in to WE ARE IN HURRY OMG ALL THE TIEM AGAIN!
• Best new character: Monet (swirly glasses = pure win)
• Best fight of the year: Vegapunk Dragon VS Luffy/Zoro/Usopp/Robin? (awesome team-work, moar team fights plz)
• Funniest moment of the year: Kinemon's talking butt (1st lol with when Luffy pulled him off the dragon, 2nd LOL when he revealed that he talked with farts)
• Best surprise of the year: Franky actually doing his job as Ship-caretaker
• Shame of the year: Those damn kid's (gonna be really annoying in anime that's for sure...)
• Worst character: Baby 5 (seen little but can tell that plain character with lame personality, dull hax-fruit and ugly, super ugly design(those protectors/outfit/smoking)
• Worst fight of the year: G5 VS Law (Srly, useless at fighting, otherwise awesome)
• Worst surprise of the year: Killer gas-thing... (Worst "surprise" yeah sure...)
Did I forget something? Oh well.
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Um…I didn't really like that Magellan and Hannyabal switched positions.
…I'm kinda pissed off by this. I hate Hannyabal though, so yeah. Guess that explains it
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Looking at this thread I dont get why half of you watch One Piece…
Well, i only read it
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• Best moment of the year - Evil Doflamingo flies on Punk Hazard
• Character of the year - Trafalgar Law and Nami
• Best plot twist - Monet dies.
• Best new character - Baby 5
• Best fight of the year - General Franky vs Baby 5 and Buffalo
• Funniest moment of the year - Sanji in Nami's body
• Best surprise of the year - Doflamingo
• Shame of the year - Smiley
• Worst character - Robin. She is useless as always.
• Worst new character - Caesar.
• Worst fight of the year - Luffy vs Caesar.
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• Worst character I know Zachri is gonna try to kill me through her computer screen for this, but I'm gonna say Law. I just don't care for the guy, and he does seem to exist solely to "be cool".
You pretty much nail the reason why I hate him as well and consequently 2012 (Basically PH arc). Omg I am not alone.
Seeing how everyone kisses his ass I wonder if One Piece fans know their shit. Seeing Smoker and Tashigi getting embarassed to hype Law is unforgiving. Skypea was long and painful but this is genuinely the first time I am really pissed at the series. Oda better do some shit about Smoker and Tashigi in 2013 (Why the f*** are they even here for ?). -
You pretty much nail the reason why I hate him as well and consequently 2012 (Basically PH arc). Omg I am not alone.
Seeing how everyone kisses his ass I wonder if One Piece fans know their shit. Seeing Smoker and Tashigi getting embarassed to hype Law is unforgiving. Skypea was long and painful but this is genuinely the first time I am really pissed at the series. Oda better do some shit about Smoker and Tashigi in 2013 (Why the f*** are they even here for ?).Law is part of the Worst Generation. Those are the guys who will change the world of piracy. Right now, the focus of the New World saga is New Age of Piracy vs. Old Age of Piracy. Smoker and Tashigi might have seniority under their belts, but that means shit when you consider that the Marines aren't heavily involved in this conflict between new and old pirates.
In other worlds, the Marines will take backseat for now so Oda can focus more on the changes that will happen (or already happened) due to the presence of the Worst Generation. That's why Law is more important than Smoker right now.
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This sounds like fun :) • Best moment of the year; Hmmm… Gonna hafta give it to Law slashing Vergo and the entire island in half. Just way to awesome.
• Character of the year I choose Smoker for being awesome as always. Glad hes back in action.
• Best plot twist; Hard call but I'll give it to Doflamingo being so heavily involved. 2nd would be Smokers appearance. 3rd would be Captain Kidd and friends. • Best new character; Vergo is pretty sweet. But i LOVE Buffalo's design and power. • Best fight of the year; Law vs Vergo • Funniest moment of the year; The body switch. Duhh. The hilarity practically writes itself. • Best surprise of the year; O… I kinda already said this for plot twist. • Shame of the year; Monet. I'll explain why later. • Worst character; Monet. Really am not sure why people love her so much… ok yeah shes hot but that's not enough. Is she interesting? Not really... kinda dull. She's a boring bitch. I despise her personality. She plays it up real sweet to get the children to eat candy and like her and then she tries to blow them up. Of course she is just doing her job but I was hoping she'd have some kinda soft spot. She's just a cold hearted bitch (no pun intended).Also shes apparently got snow powers. Strange because she is a Harpy... I don't see the connection. I guess it is cool that she is a Harpy rather then having a Harpy fruit... but I dunno. Snow powers are so overdone. Even in One Piece (Aokiji?!? Brook!?!). Plus shes not that strong. I will nod my head to making her a monstrous hag rather then some hot snow devil when she is powered up. That's showing a different side of her (erm... more like her true ugly personality)
Could not help but love it when she "died". Hope she actually is dead. • Worst new character; Monet. • Worst fight of the year; I actually liked Yeti cool brothers fight because it was funny. I guess it was Luffy vs Ceasar. Just kinda predictable dragged on and dull. Wasn't awful just not that good. • Worst surprise of the year. For me it was Monet actually just being an awful bitch. I was hoping she actually had a soft spot for the children and would refuse Doflamingo. Not sure why I thought that but i just wanted to like her… Next in line is Kinemon's dumb unnecessary fruit power.
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You pretty much nail the reason why I hate him as well and consequently 2012 (Basically PH arc). Omg I am not alone.
Seeing how everyone kisses his ass I wonder if One Piece fans know their shit. Seeing Smoker and Tashigi getting embarassed to hype Law is unforgiving. Skypea was long and painful but this is genuinely the first time I am really pissed at the series. Oda better do some shit about Smoker and Tashigi in 2013 (Why the f*** are they even here for ?).People loves different things in manga. For example I hat Smokey. But it's not a reason to disrespect someone. And Shichi vs VA has always end that way.
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Law is part of the Worst Generation. Those are the guys who will change the world of piracy. Right now, the focus of the New World saga is New Age of Piracy vs. Old Age of Piracy. Smoker and Tashigi might have seniority under their belts, but that means shit when you consider that the Marines aren't heavily involved in this conflict between new and old pirates.
In other worlds, the Marines will take backseat for now so Oda can focus more on the changes that will happen (or already happened) due to the presence of the Worst Generation. That's why Law is more important than Smoker right now.
My main issue with Law and the supernovas in the general is that there is not much depth to them. Sure they have big ambitions but we don't really know what drives them to be so awesome (a sad memory, someone to look up to). A character doing such epic stuff such as slicing a mountain must have a bit of depth for me to relate him and be genuinely impressed. To be honest, the supernovas only feel like random characters with uber powers. I mean people loved the supernova alliance reontroduction but all I could see was just a bunch of thugs fighting because some buffoon messed some other brat's living room.
If the marines are not that important then Oda should not bring them here. I mean this arc suffers from way too many characters (the staw hats easily spent half of this arc running). There were many potential good fights like Usopp fighting the Yeti brother in a "cool" environment (but no we have another Law epic moment). Another example is that Nami and Robin could have had a great fight with Monet (to make up for their lack of battles in the previous arc) and Tashigi still put a very average performance and unleashed insane sexism rants or discussions.@desa
I don't really hate the supernovas and I do find them cool but I think fans are giving them way too much love for very superficial reasons. When I started the series I did not know wether to like it or not (I found this series out of pure randomness). I initialy thought that it was the weirdest,silliest and most eccentric thing I have ever seen and that caught my attention but I always thought there was more substance to it. Boy, I was right. For me One Piece, (taking the plinkett voice) its more about moments like Sanji thanking his father figure Zeff not some dinosaur eating a PX head, its more like Mihawk's speech and integrity and not some dude giving the finger. Finally, its more about a moment like Nami asking Luffy for help and I think this is the reason why the forum is named that way because its the moment where you know that you are reading a classic series. Of course the humor, the fun, the epic fights and the adventure complete this series perfectly. I honestly find what I love about One Piece through Smoker's friend and enemy relationship with Luffy. -
My main issue with Law and the supernovas in the general is that there is not much depth to them. Sure they have big ambitions but we don't really know what drives them to be so awesome (a sad memory, someone to look up to). A character doing such epic stuff such as slicing a mountain must have a bit of depth for me to relate him and be genuinely impressed. To be honest, the supernovas only feel like random characters with uber powers. I mean people loved the supernova alliance reontroduction but all I could see was just a bunch of thugs fighting because some buffoon messed some other brat's living room.
If the marines are not that important then Oda should not bring them here. I mean this arc suffers from way too many characters (the staw hats easily spent half of this arc running). There were many potential good fights like Usopp fighting the Yeti brother in a "cool" environment (but no we have another Law epic moment). Another example is that Nami and Robin could have had a great fight with Monet (to make up for their lack of battles in the previous arc) and Tashigi still put a very average performance and unleashed insane sexism rants or discussions.@desa
I don't really hate the supernovas and I do find them cool but I think fans are giving them way too much love for very superficial reasons. When I started the series I did not know wether to like it or not (I found this series out of pure randomness). I initialy thought that it was the weirdest,silliest and most eccentric thing I have ever seen and that caught my attention but I always thought there was more substance to it. Boy, I was right. For me One Piece, (taking the plinkett voice) its more about moments like Sanji thanking his father figure Zeff not some dinosaur eating a PX head, its more like Mihawk's speech and integrity and not some dude giving the finger. Finally, its more about a moment like Nami asking Luffy for help and I think this is the reason why the forum is named that way because its the moment where you know that you are reading a classic series. Of course the humor, the fun, the epic fights and the adventure complete this series perfectly. I honestly find what I love about One Piece through Smoker's friend and enemy relationship with Luffy.Because Oda is totally gonna give depth for 9 different characters at once. Law himself is only now getting depth to his character and yet you want him gone for the next year. That would ruin his potential backstory with Doflamingo and it would be the exact opposite of what you want.
If anything, you should actually expect more of the Supernovas in the next year in order to not contradict your viewpoint. Why? Because they're new characters with potential for new backstories and developments. The Strawhats besides Franky and Brook had 400+ chapters to develop themselves and the rivalry between Luffy and Smoker has been there for at least 600 chapters. I don't know about you, but I don't want Luffy and Smoker helping each other and the latter letting the former run away to happen a third time. There's not much more to add for that relationship besides an actual fair fight which might not even happen at all.
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Because Oda is totally gonna give depth for 9 different characters at once. Law himself is only now getting depth to his character and yet you want him gone for the next year. That would ruin his potential backstory with Doflamingo and it would be the exact opposite of what you want.
I still hardly see any genuine depth. I mean if we had seen a little glimpse of Vergo bullying him (in order to feel a little sympathy for him) and a little hint of why Law wants to become PK. Law defeating Vergo would have been more satisfying. Moreover I think it should have been Smoker's victory because a vice admiral beating another who earned everyone's loyalty would have been more interesting. Moreover, Smoker getting his ass kicked to take back Law's heart was a poor excuse to give Law another epic moment. Smoker should have koed Vergo and return Law's heart and then they are even.
The reason I want him out of the story for him because he literally stole this arc. I don't mind having awesome moments but this is overkill to the point I am bored. Oda should save his awesome moments and potential backstory for later (make some space). For this coming year, I definetely hope Tashigi gets redeemed for all the screw up (she desparately needs it). Gee I hope she becomes a traveling friend and learns to overcome her difficulties such as sexism, lack of confidence and becoming stronger but I am very skeptical.
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I don't really hate the supernovas and I do find them cool but I think fans are giving them way too much love for very superficial reasons. When I started the series I did not know wether to like it or not (I found this series out of pure randomness). I initialy thought that it was the weirdest,silliest and most eccentric thing I have ever seen and that caught my attention but I always thought there was more substance to it. Boy, I was right. For me One Piece, (taking the plinkett voice) its more about moments like Sanji thanking his father figure Zeff not some dinosaur eating a PX head, its more like Mihawk's speech and integrity and not some dude giving the finger. Finally, its more about a moment like Nami asking Luffy for help and I think this is the reason why the forum is named that way because its the moment where you know that you are reading a classic series. Of course the humor, the fun, the epic fights and the adventure complete this series perfectly. I honestly find what I love about One Piece through Smoker's friend and enemy relationship with Luffy.The thing is people can like both side. Sure One Piece is a story full of depth moment like the story of Nami(probably why she's my favorite strawhat with Sanji) but it's also a shonen full of cool people like Dofla, Mihawk or Law. The reason reason why I liked Law from the start wasn't for potential backstory but rather because he was logical enough to wait before going to the new world and seems to have a real plan for making a favorable climat for himself in the new world while the others are just rushing it (and he has a talking bear). Let's take croc for example: At the end of Alabasta he was simply a bastard wanting to conquer a country for power. But it was a good enough reason for people to like the character. Criteria for liking a characters varies throughout the people who talk about it.
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The thing is people can like both side. Sure One Piece is a story full of depth moment like the story of Nami(probably why she's my favorite strawhat with Sanji) but it's also a shonen full of cool people like Dofla, Mihawk or Law. The reason reason why I liked Law from the start wasn't for potential backstory but rather because he was logical enough to wait before going to the new world and seems to have a real plan for making a favorable climat for himself in the new world while the others are just rushing it (and he has a talking bear). Let's take croc for example: At the end of Alabasta he was simply a bastard wanting to conquer a country for power. But it was a good enough reason for people to like the character. Criteria for liking a characters varies throughout the people who talk about it.
The thing is that Mihawk is a badass with depth (his speech to Zoro is instant manly tears and One Piece classic moment) and Law is just a badass. To me, its ridiculous that Law ranked higher in the character poll than Mihawk . The fact that Mihawk is not shown at the moment is no reason to love him less (quality over quantity). I think my main issue is that the general fanbase are overhyping Law to the point its absurd and I am starting to wonder if the fans know what initialy makes the series good. It seems as if substance is being taken over by superficiality. By trolling a character like Tashigi, it seems that even Oda is rejecting substance and is aiming at 12 year old teenage boys and fangirls. In other words, the classic fan in me is starting to feel rejected because I love One Piece for being more than a bunch characters with uber powers.
I think fans loved Crocodile because he was really a memorable villain (you love to hate him). I did not like how for no good reason Crocodile feels like saving Ace and Luffy which tones down his legendary ahole status to me.
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• Best moment of the year; The two alliances. Law/Luffy and the other Supernovas.
• Character of the year; Sanji was almost perfect this year. personality wise he was great along with plenty of funny and badass moments in two different bodies. Runners up are Brownbeard and Caesar.
• Best plot twist; Law at Punk Hazard was pretty big. That he was revealed to be a Shichibukai made it even bigger.
• Best new character; CC was anawesome villainy villain.
• Best fight of the year; First dragon fight.
• Funniest moment of the year; Caribou leaving his bro and crew and stealing from the old lady.
• Best surprise of the year; Doflamingo's flight to PH.
• Shame of the year; Lack of Robin.
• Worst character;Tashigi. I've never really liked her and she still sucked.
• Worst new character; Monet was pretty boring. Great design though.
• Worst fight of the year; Brook vs Kinemon's upper body.
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• Worst character;Tashigi. I've never really liked her and she still sucked.
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The thing is that Mihawk is a badass with depth (his speech to Zoro is instant manly tears and One Piece classic moment) and Law is just a badass. To me, its ridiculous that Law ranked higher in the character poll than Mihawk . The fact that Mihawk is not shown at the moment is no reason to love him less (quality over quantity). I think my main issue is that the general fanbase are overhyping Law to the point its absurd and I am starting to wonder if the fans know what initialy makes the series good. It seems as if substance is being taken over by superficiality. By trolling a character like Tashigi, it seems that even Oda is rejecting substance and is aiming at 12 year old teenage boys and fangirls. In other words, the classic fan in me is starting to feel rejected because I love One Piece for being more than a bunch characters with uber powers.
I think fans loved Crocodile because he was really a memorable villain (you love to hate him). I did not like how for no good reason Crocodile feels like saving Ace and Luffy which tones down his legendary ahole status to me.
Depth? What depth? We haven't seen much of Mihawk, and what we have seen doesn't really indicate depth. In fact, Mihawk is the closest thing to stereotypically badass in the series, besides Whitebeard. I mean, his speech was good, but it essentially amounted to "don't give up on your dreams." There's not much to his character beyond "stoic master swordsman yearning for a challenge." He fills the role given him, but not much else. Not that I'm saying he doesn't have depth: we just haven't seen it. At best I'd say he's even with Law, but I could see an argument for Law having more to him than Mihawk.
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Depth? What depth? We haven't seen much of Mihawk, and what we have seen doesn't really indicate depth. In fact, Mihawk is the closest thing to stereotypically badass in the series, besides Whitebeard. I mean, his speech was good, but it essentially amounted to "don't give up on your dreams." There's not much to his character beyond "stoic master swordsman yearning for a challenge." He fills the role given him, but not much else. Not that I'm saying he doesn't have depth: we just haven't seen it. At best I'd say he's even with Law, but I could see an argument for Law having more to him than Mihawk.
Mihawk has shown more than that. He has a keen eye… like the way he noticed Luffy's ability to create allies and how it's one of the most powerful traits to have. He's clever enough to know what it takes to be truly powerful, and he sees that in Luffy. Aokiji, Shanks and Blackbeard are all characters who also knew the threat of the SHs (or an individual crew member) upon meeting them or even before in Aokiji's case. I think Mihawk plays a good role as an observer, which gives him more depth than just a badass swordsman for Zoro to beat.
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The thing is that Mihawk is a badass with depth (his speech to Zoro is instant manly tears and One Piece classic moment) and Law is just a badass. To me, its ridiculous that Law ranked higher in the character poll than Mihawk . The fact that Mihawk is not shown at the moment is no reason to love him less (quality over quantity). I think my main issue is that the general fanbase are overhyping Law to the point its absurd and I am starting to wonder if the fans know what initialy makes the series good. It seems as if substance is being taken over by superficiality. By trolling a character like Tashigi, it seems that even Oda is rejecting substance and is aiming at 12 year old teenage boys and fangirls. In other words, the classic fan in me is starting to feel rejected because I love One Piece for being more than a bunch characters with uber powers.
And there is my point. We have different opinion opinion on Mihawk character for example. While for you he is a badass with depth, for me he is just the usual badass strike by the main character motivation. And like you said Mihawk don't appear much. Law in the other hand is one of the guy are expecting the most of because he was side with Luffy and is a supernova. And he has been show to be able to take his time and think. Those are different reason to like him. The question would rather be do people like him more than Luffy or Smoker? I doubt it.
I think fans loved Crocodile because he was really a memorable villain (you love to hate him). I did not like how for no good reason Crocodile feels like saving Ace and Luffy which tones down his legendary ahole status to me.
Exactly, people doesn't have to have strike the fans as a depth character. Different things can help to like a character, class, evil schemer, quirks…
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Well she does. Because of her we had sexism debates and if she took at Monet we wouldn't have the poll thread. Tashigi pulls AP forums apart !
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Mihawk has shown more than that. He has a keen eye… like the way he noticed Luffy's ability to create allies and how it's one of the most powerful traits to have. He's clever enough to know what it takes to be truly powerful, and he sees that in Luffy. Aokiji, Shanks and Blackbeard are all characters who also knew the threat of the SHs (or an individual crew member) upon meeting them or even before in Aokiji's case. I think Mihawk plays a good role as an observer, which gives him more depth than just a badass swordsman for Zoro to beat.
Exactly, Mihawk is obviously another Zoro, heck I even noticed that the first time they first met. There is also the friend and enemy relationship with Shanks. I mean Mihawk did celebrate Luffy's arrival with him and he even mused out an apology to Shanks (something I would not expect from him). There is also the "I am letting you live so that you can become stronger", the guy literally lives for challenges and its always something I love. Moreover, he also withnessed Roger's last moments (heck we don't even know what went through his head but I am sure he was deeply impressed) which started his journey. His speech was definetely Roger's worthiness.
@desa I understand. I do admit I love characters like Gedatsu for his unmatched silliness and Bepo's hilarity. However, I think One Piece would have never been catapulted that high if it was not for the emotional Arlong arc (heck its such a classic arc they even remade it in hd animation). I guess this the moment we all share and know that One Piece was not your average series because we could relate to them just like any other ordinary human being through (through their anger, joy, sorrow, success and more importantly failures). I think coolness shouldn't overtake the "deep" stuff . The issue is that Tashigi pretty much embodies all these emotions flawlesslly (the reason why I love One Piece and It doesn't seem coincidential that I love her as much as any straw hat) and that alone makes her far more interesting than the supernovas who feel like they are elevated to top tier characters with zero depth which is absurd. By trolling her (what could possibly be worst than Luffy calling her weak), Oda seems to be rejecting substance over superficiality (heck not being superficial is one of the series main theme but Oda loves to please superficial fans).
@blacleged You do have to understand that it seems legitimate that fans of Tashigi are very pissed at the way she was handled. Heck I am pissed because she is horribly written so far (it is a effing roller coaster). She was the one things I was highly looking foward in part 2 (10 years waiting like a dumbass plus the timeskip "improvements") and this is cluster eff of an arc is what I am getting. I would have been as pissed if any of the straw hats was humiliated right after their reintroduction (its just bad writing). Its understandable that some fans may raise issue such as sexism with such a bad ride, heck I am pretty much raising other issues in the previous paragraph and this is the first time I am really questionning Oda. However, I still hope Oda trolled her for a good reason but the way she was written and the last colourspread (Smoker and Tashigi should have been here hence why the f are they even in this arc) are leaving me skeptical.
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I think coolness shouldn't overtake the "deep" stuff . The issue is that Tashigi pretty much embodies all these emotions flawlesslly (the reason why I love One Piece and It doesn't seem coincidential that I love her as much as any straw hat) and that alone makes her far more interesting than the supernovas who feel like they are elevated to top tier characters with zero depth which is absurd. By trolling her (what could possibly be worst than Luffy calling her weak), Oda seems to be rejecting substance over superficiality (heck not being superficial is one of the series main theme but Oda loves to please superficial fans).
You're trying to put One Piece into a box. One Piece can't succeed if its all characters like Tashigi. And the supernovas work, regarless of how muh depth they have. They're cool, they're different, and they work well within the story. Oh yeah, and that guy Law has been given tons more depth during this arc and there definitely will be more and more of it. He's not an emotional baby like Tashigi and that works.
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The Supernovas don't have zero depth.
-Law has history with Doflamingo. Doflamingo said he saw Law as a little brother and that his betrayal is a shame, so they obviously had a strong relationship.
-Drake was a high-ranking Marine who quit for a yet unknown reason and became a pirate.
-Bonney cried when it seemed like Whitebeard was going to betray his allies, and chased down Blackbeard's crew after the war, saying it was "all his fault". Also she's supposedly important to the government, and even Akainu shit his pants when she escaped.We'll probably learn stuff about the others too.
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You're trying to put One Piece into a box. One Piece can't succeed if its all characters like Tashigi. And the supernovas work, regarless of how muh depth they have. They're cool, they're different, and they work well within the story. Oh yeah, and that guy Law has been given tons more depth during this arc and there definitely will be more and more of it. He's not an emotional baby like Tashigi and that works.
What depth ? He did not really have any interesting things to say except things like "this is our new age and you are weak". I mean Smoker being royally pissed at Vergo for hurting his subordinates was far more engaging (without crying) than Law's "this is our age nonsense" and it's very unsatisfying because I cannot care for him . Even when he gets his ass kicked he is always badass. With all these elements, its hard for me to relate him. I am sorry to inform you that all of the straw hats are cry babies (heck even Zoro) and I still love them in their own way. They are similar and different. Straw hats are crybabies but they are still awesome but due to double standards Tashigi always sucks.
I don't see how they work well in the story. They literally came out of nowhere (no specific foreshadowing) with very uninteresting lines that don't really suggest something that awesome (except we are told straight in the face they are awesome) in the future like "how many did you kill ?". Blackbeard's first encounter with Luffy pretty much the sets the tone right from the start and unlike the supernovas it was really a memorable moment because there is so much going on (Shanks getting his ass kicked, Ace and dreams). Everyone seems to react that the supernovas are the greatest characters ever made. I mean heck no and they are cool but not much more than that. Geez, Oda could have cut their parts in shabondy and the point of this arc would have exactly been the same cause it was all about Luffy being totally broken both physically and especially mentally. Moreover, the pirate alliance implying a lot more characters is a hassle to write and this arc is the proof (straw hats running). The bad news is that the supernovas will be in every arcs.
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What depth ? He did not really have any interesting things to say except things like "this is our new age and you are weak". I mean Smoker being royally pissed at Vergo for hurting his subordinates was far more engaging (without crying) than Law's "this is our age nonsense" and it's very unsatisfying because I cannot care for him . Even when he gets his ass kicked he is always badass. With all these elements, its hard for me to relate him. I am sorry to inform you that all of the straw hats are cry babies (heck even Zoro) and I still love them in their own way. They are similar and different. Straw hats are crybabies but they are still awesome but due to double standards Tashigi always sucks.
Stawhats aren't crybabies. It's true that they cry but they aren't cry babies. And Zoro only cried only once when his dream was shattered to pieces. As for depth(for me he doesn't need it since I'm more interess by present than past) you can take his possible backstory with Doflamingo and his talk a bout the new era.
I don't see how they work well in the story. They literally came out of nowhere (no specific foreshadowing) with very uninteresting lines that don't really suggest something that awesome (except we are told straight in the face they are awesome) in the future like "how many did you kill ?".
This thread is were this discussion should be.
Everyone comes from nowhere and later gets background and if I remember Oda created at the last moment. But it's true I'm waiting an explanation about their bounty. But I'm also waiting for every bounty passing the 60M(pretty much everyone important in short).
Blackbeard's first encounter with Luffy pretty much the sets the tone right from the start and unlike the supernovas it was really a memorable moment because there is so much going on (Shanks getting his ass kicked, Ace and dreams). Everyone seems to react that the supernovas are the greatest characters ever made. I mean heck no and they are cool but not much more than that. Geez, Oda could have cut their parts in shabondy and the point of this arc would have exactly been the same cause it was all about Luffy being totally broken both physically and especially mentally. Moreover, the pirate alliance implying a lot more characters is a hassle to write and this arc is the proof (straw hats running). The bad news is that the supernovas will be in every arcs.
First encounter with Luffy was a confrontation for pies if I remember. Nothing special at all. As for them supernovas being the best character no one said that( or quote it). But it's a good thing we get to see some of the future of piracy rather than people who comes out of nowhere.
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• Best moment of the year; Law slicing the island, I was like WHAAA THAAA FAAAAaa
• Character of the year; Law. do I even need to explain why I chose him?
• Best plot twist; the smiles
• Best new character; Vergo
• Best fight of the year; Vergo, I really like him
• Funniest moment of the year; everything with Sanji and the G5 was pretty funny to me
• Best surprise of the year; Dofla is COMING. seriously, everyone thought the SH were coming at him, not the way aroud
• Shame of the year; it was such a Robinless year
• Worst character; Hmm, Yeti cool brothers.
• Worst new character; again, the YCB
• Worst fight of the year; I liked everything about The zoro vs monet fight, but the ending ruined it.
• Worst surprise of the year; … -
• Best moment of the year; Law switching the crew around • Character of the year; Chopper.
• Best plot twist; Mocha sacrificing herself for the other kids
• Best new character; Monet?
• Best fight of the year; N/A
• Funniest moment of the year 'WE ARE NAMI-SWAN!'
• Best surprise of the year; Everyone and everything is related to Doflamingo
• Shame of the year; Most Cliffhangers either being pointless or fixed by Law
• Worst character: Law/Zoro
• Worst new character; Vergo
• Worst fight of the year; Zoro vs Monet
• Worst surprise of the year. Law fixing most cliffhangers. For some reason It won't let me un-bold. Not really much to say about last year as I felt it was more plot development than anything else. -
• Best moment of the year: When we had the chance to meet Doflamingo's crew. • Character of the year: Ouka Shichibukai Donquixote Doflamingo. Without a doubt, everything in this Arc became 100 times more intense after his name was involved in the mix.
• Best plot twist: The pirates alliances! The idea of Kidd, Hawkins and Apoo fighting side by side versus whatever they are intending to face, and, on the other side, the possibility to meet the Heart Pirates and to see they coming along with our beloved Strawhats…it is just priceless!
• Best new character: Monet: snow woman, secretary, harpy, cunning and loyal.
• Best fight of the year: Law Vs. Smoker <<although it="" is="" a="" shame="" that="" smoker="" had="" to="" be="" humiliated="" twice="" for="" law's="" sake="">>
• Funniest moment of the year: Can't decide among Sanji's "We're Nami-san!", Franky's Tank or Caribou's betrayal.
• Best surprise of the year: Devil fruits! The fact that there are man-made ones, and how they 'proceed' after the User's death.
• Shame of the year: Zoro's unwillingness-to-recognize-women's-strength (even after being defeated more than 2000 times by Kuina) tied with the way Marines were handled 'till now (Smoker and Tashigui mostly, since they couldn't do shit to help any-fucking-body).
• Worst character: Doctor Tony Tony Chopper. I couldn't understand or believe how out of whack some of his actions were. Like, if, instead of using the Monster Point to try to stop the kids' crusade against Mocha and the candies, he had used the Guard Point he would had a) blocked the passage and b) guaranteed immunity against Kids' blows. This and a few more things made me wish Oda had a better writing for this character.
• Worst new character: Yeti Cool Brothers. Yeah, they are, indeed, cool. But their (ir)relevance to the plot made then the absolute worst.
• Worst fight of the year: 1st round of Luffy Vs. Ceaser. The thoughts of "WHAT?! 2 FUCKING YEARS FOR THAT!?" were all over the place and really ruined it for me.
• Worst surprise of the year: the overpowered Ope Ope no Mi. I think that the idea of the fruit is really cool and interesting; but I couldn't choose but to hate the way it was used to end the fight with Vergo, destroy the SAD lab and hype, one more time, Law. Like, slicing a whole mountain like it was nothing? What the hell the fruit can't do? It can warp, change personalities, move the surroundings at will (flying Navy's ship; that rock pillar right before extracting Smoker's heart), dismember whatever the user wants and discharge an electrical move (yes, I'm putting Counter Shock in the fruit's bill)! Actually wondering why Blackbeard didn't go for this one…</although> -
• Best moment of the year: Counter Hazard • Character of the year: Sanji • Best plot twist: Artificial Devil Fruits and Strawhats-Heart alliance • Best new character: Don´t know, maybe Monet or Kinemon.
• Best fight of the year: Law vs Smoker • Funniest moment of the year: Franky Tank, Choppers-hat, Franky in Chopper and Sanji and the G-5. • Best surprise of the year: Doflamingo is coming
• Shame of the year: Tashigi's development • Worst character: Caribou • Worst new character: Yeti Cool Brothers
• Worst fight of the year: Luffy vs Monet • Worst surprise of the year: Law 1HKO-ing Vergo; Magellan is the new Vice Warden. -
• Best moment of the year- Not that many memorable moments. Perhaps Law cutting the mountain in half and his speech, implying what the next 3-4 years are going to be about Supernovas taking over New World (bye bye to the last 2 or 3 old Yonkos and welcome Kid, Luffy and Law, 2/3 of them as the new big boys).
• Character of the year- Trafalgar Law easily. You take him out of the storyline and you get a very boring arc which after Fishman arc which was by far the worst of the whole series, it would have hurt the story a lot. Based on the cover page with Law's crew and SH, it implies they will travel (both crews) together. I imagine Law will play as a narrator for evens that have happened both for the audience and the SH crew as well. He's such a smug prick, I love every second he gives those lines that are simply made to piss off whoever he is talking to. Not to mention the guy is a badass and became one of my favorite characters after putting Tashigi in her place. The only thing I regret is that she didn't start crying when he said weaklings shouldn't make demands. If she was only whiny than it would be somewhat ok, but her attitude of seeing herself above everyone just pisses me off even more when she's such a weakling.(/mini Tashigi rant over) It's also nice to know that the supernovas aren't going to be fodder after their introduction. Law does seem to be overpowered though.. He's a captain of a crew, very smart, is a swordsman and a doctor. On top of that he has a DF that can do whatever he thinks of it, though I am curious if he can teleport in his room as well, which would make him incredibly hard to beat. I can't wait to learn more about his past and what his connection with Doflamingo is as well, his past is rather amusing.
Doflamingo is very interesting and could be a case for character of the year but he showed up at the end and even if he comes to PH, he could not meet them as well.
• Best plot twist- Hmm the alliances, Law's plan to take down a Yonko and Luffy to be his buddy buddy. Doflamingo's part did come out of nowhere but again.. so little of it for me to vote as the best plot twist since we don't know what will happen next.
• Best new character- Baby 5. She's cool, weird and quirky.
• Best fight of the year- Law vs Smoker.
• Funniest moment of the year- Anything with Sanji, his "we're Nami-swannnn" moment was beyond hysterical.
• Best surprise of the year- I would have said SAD and its potential danger to the world.. but Oda already covered that with a cure a few chapters later. As usual, we can't have deaths in a manga where danger and potential death is embellished by quite a margin. I'm not really sure now so if I had to put something is Dofla flying to PH?
• Shame of the year- Smoker getting owned twice… I understood with Law it had to happen but Oda should have found a different way for Smoker to not be in Law's debt than get his ass kicked again... Meh.
• Worst character- Does Caribou count? They show 11 interesting Supernovas and this horrible character is all that happened in 2 years? Really hope Oda shows us 1 or 2 new Rookies that aren't like this guy. Can't believe he was stealing things from the old woman and left his brother behind.
• Worst new character- Yeti Cool Brothers. Not cool at all.
• Worst fight of the year- Luffy vs Ceasar. His fight with Hody was very dissapointing as well.
• Worst surprise of the year- Luffy once again taking his sweet time beating someone he should have beaten a lot earlier. It also seems like Nami and in particular Robin are just walking tits now. What happened to Robin, she was very interesting but now she's never involved and her character is barely visible. Not sure if it's due to juggling between 9 characters.. but I'd really like both of the girls in the crew to get some story in them. And some nice fight between Robin and a strong enemy, her DF power is very strong.
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This thread is still open? Shouldn't it be closed since we're in 2013?