ok thanks guys! that made sense…i just remembered robin breaking aokiji as well but caused him no harm. i see.
Chapter 686: Biscuit's room snow woman
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Rejoice.
Out of curiosity, is there a reason "yuki-onna" is left untranslated instead of "snow-" or "snowy-woman"?
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Out of curiosity, is there a reason "yuki-onna" is left untranslated instead of "snow-" or "snowy-woman"?
I think it's because yuki-onna (snow woman) is also a monster in Japanese folklore.
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Out of curiosity, is there a reason "yuki-onna" is left untranslated instead of "snow-" or "snowy-woman"?
I think someone already replied to this, but oh well.
I don't know his actually reasoning for leaving it, but it may be because "yuki-onna" isn't just known as the Japanese term for her/it. In books I read back in school it was always left as "yuki-onna" with "snow woman" in brackets" next to it..
–---Thanks CCC
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@nodensuke:
I just realized that what I'm most looking forward to in the next few chapters is the fact that finally after 200+ chapters of Zoro having Shusui, we might actually get Tashigi commenting on how impossible it is for him to have it.
i agree with you.also,tashigi saying "you sexist pig" to zoro.
about the zoro not attacking thing,oda has directly pointed it out,so i'm gonna just wait and see.but aside from monet,zoro lost to tashigi.as simple as that.can't wait for their banter.
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@CCC:
"Slip on the snow, hit their heads, and die" is more literal.
I'm glad that he learned something from his tragic past, even if it was just an insult!
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Also thanks for the translation, as always.
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Actually surprised CCC went with "Bitch!" considering he usually skips unnecessary profanity.
Just out of curiosity, what was the original line?
Teme.
It's the harshest way to say "you" (besides ki-sama? maybe) and Zoro is addressing a woman. Plus we were supposed to think he was talking to Nami at first (she thought he was talking to her at first too…). The gender-specific pejorative gets that across even better.And I explained my reasoning for leaving Yuki-Onna in the last chapter in a TN.
Jackermeister and nodensuke basically got it. It's also a Japanese folklore monster... so just saying "snow woman" would be like calling magical tanuki and kitsune "raccoons" and "foxes" respectively (even though both of those are also obviously real animals with no magical properties...). I guess I'm viewing it as more of a name of a creature than just a description that the characters interacting with Monet are using. -
The most interesting thing was Zoro holding back in his fight.
It was told here that he might be holding back because he doesn't want to hurt Monet, or because he doesn't want to unleash his power. This is not impossible, however it's strange that he doesn't at least try to fight back harder, as Monet is not only a threat to him but even to his crewmates.
In fact the other option, that is Zoro doesn't have CoA Haki yet/cannot control it/has it but undeveloped, would mean to me that not even Sanji hat is yet. I haven't followed the discussions on chapters before, but Sanji got hurt against Vergo some chapters ago and this could mean he couldn't strengthen his leg enough(even though it could just be because of his precedent physical damage).
At this point it could even be that Luffy said a bunch of crap to Law regarding who's haki and who has not XD. -
@CCC:
Teme.
It's the harshest way to say "you" (besides ki-sama? maybe) and Zoro is addressing a woman. Plus we were supposed to think he was talking to Nami at first (she thought he was talking to her at first too…). The gender-specific pejorative gets that across even better.And I explained my reasoning for leaving Yuki-Onna in the last chapter in a TN.
Jackermeister and nodensuke basically got it. It's also a Japanese folklore monster... so just saying "snow woman" would be like calling magical tanuki and kitsune "raccoons" and "foxes" respectively (even though both of those are also obviously real animals with no magical properties...). I guess I'm viewing it as more of a name of a creature than just a description that the characters interacting with Monet are using.Ah, that makes sense.
I missed the previous explanation so thanks for elaborating.
Jackermeister, nodensuke, - thanks guys!
The reason for my original question is without my tiny, but useful knowledge of Japanese I would have been left guessing what yuki-onna actually is. -
After reading Mangarule's scanlation, i noticed something i previously missed.
Look @ this pic: http://mangarulereader.hostoi.com/MANGARULEREADER/?manga=One+Piece++Shonen+Jump&chapter=686+mangarule&page=12
- 1st, the top right, where you can see Robin's traditional pose for growing limbs.
- 2nd, the top left, where she has a different pose.
- 3rd, middle panel, where the extra limb has the same pose as her in the top left.
I haven't noticed Robin's poses changing according to what she's doing with the extra limbs before. Is it because she's doing something that requires a lot of strength or something?
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@CCC:
Teme.
It's the harshest way to say "you" (besides ki-sama? maybe) and Zoro is addressing a woman. Plus we were supposed to think he was talking to Nami at first (she thought he was talking to her at first too…). The gender-specific pejorative gets that across even better.And I explained my reasoning for leaving Yuki-Onna in the last chapter in a TN.
Jackermeister and nodensuke basically got it. It's also a Japanese folklore monster... so just saying "snow woman" would be like calling magical tanuki and kitsune "raccoons" and "foxes" respectively (even though both of those are also obviously real animals with no magical properties...). I guess I'm viewing it as more of a name of a creature than just a description that the characters interacting with Monet are using.Ok, got it. Thanks a lot!
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@HTC:
After reading Mangarule's scanlation, i noticed something i previously missed.
Look @ this pic: http://mangarulereader.hostoi.com/MANGARULEREADER/?manga=One+Piece++Shonen+Jump&chapter=686+mangarule&page=12
- 1st, the top right, where you can see Robin's traditional pose for growing limbs.
- 2nd, the top left, where she has a different pose.
- 3rd, middle panel, where the extra limb has the same pose as her in the top left.
I haven't noticed Robin's poses changing according to what she's doing with the extra limbs before. Is it because she's doing something that requires a lot of strength or something?
It did look as if the arms had more strenght than her normal (single one on its own without doubling up) limb blooms usually do. I orginally thought it was more along of the lines of her focusing her concentration so the limbs wouldn't crush Nami as they grew in the confined space … but now ... who knows
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I opine that Zoro has figured out something about Monet that no one else in the crew has; something about her past or nature or true intentions, which is why he's holding back. Either that or he's preparing some fire attack, an idea that has already been mentioned. Not being able to control haki or, similarly, having underdeveloped haki, or not wanting to damage the complex (or waiting until his crew members leave the vicinity) are what I believe to be weak reasons. I'm fairly confident that Zoro has honed his power to be accurate enough to dispatch his opponents with minimal collateral damage. This new-found chivalry theory to the point where he doesn't take female opponents seriously is contradictory to his ideals, so I don't buy that either. So yeah, I'm leaning towards either trying to test out a new move against a novel opponent, or he knows something about Monet that's making him abate his own strength. Hopefully it's cleared up next week.
Maybe it has to to do something the note that was given to Chopper. Monet totally saw Chopper and did nothing but she later tries to eat him. She is undeniabely acting inconsistently. Maybe, Zoro already met her in his homeland when he was a kid and heard she was kidnapped. Maybe, she truly cares about the children (even she knows they will die) but doesn't want to be alone. However, we do know she is following DD out of fear and she has no choice to obey him. Maybe, DD controls her in a similar fashion to Monosuke (who came up flying when he head specific words) when words like "rescue the children". Its possible that Tashigi figured out the reason why Zoro was not going all out.
Oda sure is trolling and is giving us more questions than answers.
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@nodensuke:
I just realized that what I'm most looking forward to in the next few chapters is the fact that finally after 200+ chapters of Zoro having Shusui, we might actually get Tashigi commenting on how impossible it is for him to have it.
i agree with you.also,tashigi saying "you sexist pig" to zoro.
about the zoro not attacking thing,oda has directly pointed it out,so i'm gonna just wait and see.but aside from monet,zoro lost to tashigi.as simple as that.can't wait for their banter.
In addition to this is she going to even notice Yubashiri is missing?
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In addition to this is she going to even notice Yubashiri is missing?
I had a feeling I forgot to mention something in that post!
It's one of the many things that I've been waiting for, and this it the perfect opportunity for Oda to address it.
Aside from Shusui, Tashigi asking what happened to Yubashiri.It'd make for a good cover story as well, her hunting down Shu and scolding him.
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It did look as if the arms had more strenght than her normal (single one on its own without doubling up) limb blooms usually do. I orginally thought it was more along of the lines of her focusing her concentration so the limbs wouldn't crush Nami as they grew in the confined space … but now ... who knows
That's not what i meant. In the past (as far as i can tell), when she had the extra limbs, she always had the crossed arms pose. Now, she started that way but changed it and the extra limb reflected that change.
Is that why her attack (in this case, it's a defense) is stronger then before?
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WHERE'S FRANKY!!!!!!?
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At the sunny. Geez, he said he is going back to the Sunny when they got out of the cage.
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I know… I just miss his "SUPER" antics!
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I think with regards to the coverstory with Caribou, people forget that he knows Shirahoshi is Poseidon.. which will result in people going to FI to capture her, in consequence FI destroyed when Luffy comes back to it.
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I think with regards to the coverstory with Caribou, people forget that he knows Shirahoshi is Poseidon.. which will result in people going to FI to capture her, in consequence FI destroyed when Luffy comes back to it.
I think you're partially right. But I think whoever Caribou works for will be the one to find out and go after Shirahoshi. I'm personally hoping it's Doflamingo because I'm going to be REALLY annoyed if he (Dofla) is beaten w/i 4 days (before Big Mam opens the box at the tea party). I'm hoping Doflamingo leaves PH alone after retrieving CC, kills Vergo himself, then once Caribou contacts him decides to go after Shirahoshi. But Luffy meets Big Mam prior to this and fights her before she is revealed to be Lola's mother and because of this doesn't kill the SHs. Only way I accept Dofla losing in 4 days is if Law/Luffy and Kid/Apoo/Hawkins team up to fight him but my guess is they are all going after Big Mam.
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Idk if this has been mentioned. When tashigi said she might be needed in the fight against money is because the last time Tashigi encounter Zoro, he wouldn't fight her and she a caused him of going easy on her because she is a woman.
So in tagishi's mind, Zoro doesn't fight seriously against woman because he thinks they're physically weaker than him.
As to why Zoro actually goes easy on Monet. I have no idea, but it does add intrigue and when Oda does reveal why, I have confidence I won't be dissapointed.
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Re-reading the last chapters, I don't think it was Mocha who wrote the little note for Chopper. Why would she ask him not to do anything to save his friends ??? Because she had a better plan ? Come on ! And after so many chapters (I didn't count), if it was really her, why hasn't it been clearly stated yet ? If a mystery remains here, then there is a good reason.
So it goes back to Monet… -
The most interesting thing was Zoro holding back in his fight.
It was told here that he might be holding back because he doesn't want to hurt Monet, or because he doesn't want to unleash his power. This is not impossible, however it's strange that he doesn't at least try to fight back harder, as Monet is not only a threat to him but even to his crewmates.For me the simplest explanation for Zoro not attacking Monet is because of the others in range. He simply doesn't want to hurt or kill the other Strawhats. As with Monet and her fast change of position he can't control where his attack will hit. Monet was near by Nami and Chopper? What should Zoro do? A logia type user is unpredictable.
In fact the other option, that is Zoro doesn't have CoA Haki yet/cannot control it/has it but undeveloped, would mean to me that not even Sanji hat is yet. I haven't followed the discussions on chapters before, but Sanji got hurt against Vergo some chapters ago and this could mean he couldn't strengthen his leg enough(even though it could just be because of his precedent physical damage).
At this point it could even be that Luffy said a bunch of crap to Law regarding who's haki and who has not XD.A haki hardened leg (or other part of the body) can break, too. Haki is no reason for not breaking anymore. As with Sanjis Haki might be undeveloped, I simply can't believe Zoro is that "lame" and can't fully control his yet. Zoro is a perfectionist. Once he discovers (learns?!) a new ability he trains as long as he has to to master that ability.
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Re-reading the last chapters, I don't think it was Mocha who wrote the little note for Chopper. Why would she ask him not to do anything to save his friends ??? Because she had a better plan ? Come on ! And after so many chapters (I didn't count), if it was really her, why hasn't it been clearly stated yet ? If a mystery remains here, then there is a good reason.
So it goes back to Monet…it could have simply Law since he wasn't really restrained by seastone.
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Re-reading the last chapters, I don't think it was Mocha who wrote the little note for Chopper. Why would she ask him not to do anything to save his friends ??? Because she had a better plan ? Come on ! And after so many chapters (I didn't count), if it was really her, why hasn't it been clearly stated yet ? If a mystery remains here, then there is a good reason.
So it goes back to Monet…Actually, it was probably Law, because remember, he didn't have sea stone shackles meaning he still had his powers, so he could've easily transported the note to Chopper.
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@One:
For me the simplest explanation for Zoro not attacking Monet is because of the others in range. He simply doesn't want to hurt or kill the other Strawhats. As with Monet and her fast change of position he can't control where his attack will hit. Monet was near by Nami and Chopper? What should Zoro do? A logia type user is unpredictable.
A haki hardened leg (or other part of the body) can break, too. Haki is no reason for not breaking anymore. As with Sanjis Haki might be undeveloped, I simply can't believe Zoro is that "lame" and can't fully control his yet. Zoro is a perfectionist. Once he discovers (learns?!) a new ability he trains as long as he has to to master that ability.
Even if he's a perfectionist on the contrary of Luffy who was training his haki, he had to improve his swordsmanship. And let's not forget Luffy had already awaken his haki.
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it could have simply Law since he wasn't really restrained by seastone.
Actually, it was probably Law, because remember, he didn't have sea stone shackles meaning he still had his powers, so he could've easily transported the note to Chopper.
Edit: Ninja'd
I would like to hear an explanation about how Law wrote that note while chained up and nobody else inside and outside the cell noticing it.
Sure he could use his powers in that situation, but he couldn't write.
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I would like to hear an explanation about how Law wrote that note while chained up and nobody else inside and outside the cell noticing it.
Sure he could use his powers in that situation, but he couldn't write.
He probably carries some basic notes on himself like "Don't do anything" or "Buy a carton of milk if you go to the store".
Just in case.
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He probably carries some basic notes on himself like "Don't do anything" or "Buy a carton of milk if you go to the store".
Just in case.
That sounds more like something Vergo would do instead.
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I would like to hear an explanation about how Law wrote that note while chained up and nobody else inside and outside the cell noticing it.
Sure he could use his powers in that situation, but he couldn't write.
Maybe,since he saw how crazy Luffy was by attacking CC head-on he wrote that before intering the lab.
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Zoro's not a moron like Luffy, he takes his fights seriously off the bat, he doesn't need someone to tell him how to fight. He knows his surrounding and knows damn well the range of his attacks and the consequences that follow with them.
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I would like to hear an explanation about how Law wrote that note while chained up and nobody else inside and outside the cell noticing it.
Sure he could use his powers in that situation, but he couldn't write.
He can perform complex surgery with his powers, but he's incapable of writing a note?
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He can perform complex surgery with his powers, but he's incapable of writing a note?
Hahaha. King if you think about he can take multiple objects and move them at will in any way he wants. He can move a pen and a piece of paper and make it write.
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I'm sure Franky is busy preparing something on the ship to help out
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Zoro's not a moron like Luffy, he takes his fights seriously off the bat, he doesn't need someone to tell him how to fight. He knows his surrounding and knows damn well the range of his attacks and the consequences that follow with them.
Yeah. And then comes Monet with her slippery, icy, cold snow and lets Robin slip right into Zoros attack.
It's always risky fighting in the near of civilians. Look at the police. They use their guns in public only as very last option. -
@One:
Yeah. And then comes Monet with her slippery, icy, cold snow and lets Robin slip right into Zoros attack.
It's always risky fighting in the near of civilians. Look at the police. They use their guns in public only as very last option.Is this supposed to be a joke?
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@One:
For me the simplest explanation for Zoro not attacking Monet is because of the others in range. He simply doesn't want to hurt or kill the other Strawhats. As with Monet and her fast change of position he can't control where his attack will hit. Monet was near by Nami and Chopper? What should Zoro do? A logia type user is unpredictable.
A haki hardened leg (or other part of the body) can break, too. Haki is no reason for not breaking anymore. As with Sanjis Haki might be undeveloped, I simply can't believe Zoro is that "lame" and can't fully control his yet. Zoro is a perfectionist. Once he discovers (learns?!) a new ability he trains as long as he has to to master that ability.
I already pointed out that Zoro was only blocking even when everyone was out of the way.
He is not an idiot, he has attacks besides flying slashes. Clearly something else is going on. -
That was an awesome chapter, but the thing that caught my attention most in this chapter was this Monet's line :
“But of course pirates would try to steal such “precious treasures” from the parents that care for them!!”
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Wouldnt be surprised if she had one.
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The thing I found interesting about that line is… it's almost like she doesn't identify as a pirate herself, although she's obviously working for Doflamingo. So either she's been solidly CC's woman from the start (since before he became a criminal) or she's been roped into all of this for personal reasons, possibly against her will.
Monet's personality really went in a strange direction this chapter. She went from cool and calculating to rampaging around screaming "My babies! My babies! I'll never forgive you!! munch"
It smacks of hypnotism/mind control, or at least yet unknown motivations.Really I just want Monet to actually be good in the end. T_T
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@CCC:
The thing I found interesting about that line is… it's almost like she doesn't identify as a pirate herself, although she's obviously working for Doflamingo. So either she's been solidly CC's woman from the start (since before he became a criminal) or she's been roped into all of this for personal reasons, possibly against her will.
It reminds me more of Baroque Works. They were led by a pirate, but they weren't necessarily pirates.
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He can perform complex surgery with his powers, but he's incapable of writing a note?
I thought he needed to do certain hand gestures to be able to "operate" on things.
Plus, if it was indeed Law that threw that note, wouldn't Oda have confirmed it already through a throwaway line instead of leaving it ambiguous like that?
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I thought he needed to do certain hand gestures to be able to "operate" on things.
Plus, if it was indeed Law that threw that note, wouldn't Oda have confirmed it already through a throwaway line instead of leaving it ambiguous like that?
Whatever theory you want to use to explain Law's powers has to account for the fact that he was able to switch the chains that Vergo and Monet were tying him up with without them noticing. There's no reason I can think of to assume a note would be more noticeable than that.
And no, I don't think that's a fair assumption to make. It wouldn't exactly be the first time (or second, or third, etc) that Oda hasn't been entirely forthcoming about the obvious.
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Whatever theory you want to use to explain Law's powers has to account for the fact that he was able to switch the chains that Vergo and Monet were tying him up with without them noticing. There's no reason I can think of to assume a note would be more noticeable than that.
I thought that he exchanged all the handcuffs in PH (days? months?) before, as precaution…
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Nah (Luffy was certainly wearing real ones. Remember how he got exhausted when he got excited and started shouting?). He planted a bunch of fakes in convenient enough places so that if it were ever the case that a baddie was about to cuff him (Law), he could instantaneously switch out the real cuffs for fake ones. This led to a discussion on these forums, at the time, about how it was interesting that Law's devil fruit power was able to affect seastone objects. The conclusion, of course, was that there's no limit to what he can manipulate with his power, as long as it's in the Room.
I have no doubt that Law could write a note with his power, but I agree with King Cannon that the lack of a throwaway line indicating that Law threw the note is a pretty good piece of evidence that it wasn't him.
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Oh, thanks a lot, I had totally misunderstood…
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I'm sorry if someone mentioned this already but, regarding Zoro not attacking Monet, is it possible that he's holding back because if he "goes all out" against a Logia, he might damage the surrounding room? I just watched the most recent episode and found something interesting that I forgot. When the Minister of the Left blames the treasure tower cut in half on Caribou, Pappaug corrects him and tells him that Zoro did it while he was trying to cut their chains/cage (that Hordy put them in with the increasing water level). Zoro confirms this when he yells at Pappaug to shut up. Thus, Zoro has a tendency to "overdo it."
Now, we have already seen that Zoro's swords strikes are devastatingly powerful, but that they also have wide range. If he goes all out against Monet, he would undoubtedly defeat her (Monet confirms this). So why not make quick work of her? Zoro may be aware that, if he misses or cuts too hard, he may cut up the room. Why does this matter? Shinokuni is outside, trying its hardest to get into the complex. If Zoro punctures the room, Shinokuni can get in and then they're all up shits creek. Thus, I believe Zoro is holding back, not because he can't imbue his blade(s) with haki (Luffy confirms that he can when discussing with Law that the two of them, Sanji, and Zoro are the only ones who can fight Caesar), but because he knows full well what the force of his attacks may do to the room.
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Yeah Zoro is being very very careful, remember what he told Luffy, as they are now in the New World, the slightest of mistakes could kill them anytime.