I like how this thread almost purely exists to bash Naruto and Bleach chapters and what´s even worse is that it is justified almost everytime.
@Daz: From the explanation we got the dream world seems like the one in Matrix, how everything works beyond that was not explained or Kishi did not think that far ahead.
Naruto and Bleach II: I don't have the heart to care anymore.
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Do peoples actual bodies go there, or is it like the matrix? If its the latter, how does people eat?
For that matter,how would they procreate,seeing how no one will do it anymore irl.
Hence,humanity will die out.Cool plan,Madara.
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So now with this Naruto's chapter, this moment has no sense : http://www.mangareader.net/93-285-20/naruto/chapter-280.html
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based on the latest Naruto movie and anime, that "dream world" is more like a alternate world..
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If Ichigo is here, you can bet Orihime will be there soon to heal Byakuya. I find it hilarious how people actually thought he was dead. Also, how the hell does Kubo manage to spread 1 goddamn panel (ONe that could be a full page spread, or at least part of it, granted) into an entire chapter? Seriously, Ichigo arriving could have been ONE goddamn panel and nothing would be lost. Especially since he technically arrived LAST chapter
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If Ichigo is here, you can bet Orihime will be there soon to heal Byakuya.
Oh god Kubo don't turn this into a "Pain revives the village" situation by having Orihime heal everyone…..
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Oh god Kubo don't turn this into a "Pain revives the village" situation by having Orihime heal everyone…..
Well he's already pulled the "Sorry I'm late card" in this chapter already, by SOMEHOW getting out of that stupid cage, and by the way… will never be explained like his power-ups...
YAY! \o/
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@The:
And if you need to be Senju/Uchiha to use the statue…why can Nagato do it? Wasn't he just Senju?
Rinnegan is Uchiha, so Nagato is Senjuu/Uchiha.
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This makes me weep.
This (25-year-old) troper actually found Naruto deeper than Elfen Lied (or for that matter Death Note), but he's a philosophy/politics geek and freely admits he's enjoying it from a different angle than most people. This troper just appreciated that Naruto vs. Gaara contrasts communitarian existentialism with individualist existentialism; how Sandaime Hokage vs. Orochimaru explores the community as macrocosm of the family; how both the Pain arc and Sasuke's character arc exemplify, in the face of all "victim" politics, that merely having justified resentments does not equate to carte blanche for retaliation; and how all the villains are explorations of the fact that human conflict is first and foremost ideological.
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That's a textbook example of reading into things way too much.
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Rinnegan is Uchiha, so Nagato is Senjuu/Uchiha.
Just like how Danzo is Senjuu/Uchiha.But wait, wasn't Nagato an Uzumaki, hence the running joke that all red-heads are Uzumaki.
And why didn't Danzo get a rinnegan as well ??
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@The:
And if you need to be Senju/Uchiha to use the statue…why can Nagato do it? Wasn't he just Senju?
He said it in the chapter. Nagato was full on Senju so he gave him his eyes. Uchiha Eyes + Senju body equals statue use.
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@Ace:
But wait, wasn't Nagato an Uzumaki, hence the running joke that all red-heads are Uzumaki.
And why didn't Danzo get a rinnegan as well ??
Maybe he did right before he blew up.
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To be fair, people had have their kidneys and other organs removed by thieves without them knowing in real life so if Madara really drugged up Nagato it is plausible to transplant eyes without someone knowing.
@Ace:
But wait, wasn't Nagato an Uzumaki, hence the running joke that all red-heads are Uzumaki.
And why didn't Danzo get a rinnegan as well ??
Well Uzamakis have a little of Senji in them as Pain or someone said to naruto before. Rinngegans are apparently hard to awaken, Madara only got his just before he died.
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Well he's already pulled the "Sorry I'm late card" in this chapter already, by SOMEHOW getting out of that stupid cage, and by the way… will never be explained like his power-ups...
YAY! \o/
He got out the cage because that one QUincy was killed by some guy that made Urahara go.. "Oh No."
This bleach chapter is seriously the worst crap I've ever laid eyes on. Kubo is a master at stretching things out.
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I find it funny yet infuriating that here's this super-duper chapter showing Ichigo, ready to save the day and battle a uber-powerful Quincy….
....yet Ishida, another Quincy, has been out of focus for months.
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@Maes:
I like how Ichigo throws his sword at the ground, and then goes grab his sword.
LOL, me too
Watch and be amazed as Ichigo shows absolutely no emotion towards everybody dying, because he's so COOL
Ichigo in the cage: AAAAHH I GOTTA GET THERE!!
Byakuya: Hey, Ichigo, everybody's been slaughtered horribly, and I'mma die soon. Please protect us.
Ichigo: NP.
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Violent mood swings notwithstanding, does Ichigo have the worst life ever or what? Jesus Christ.
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I'm halfway through the Naruto chapter and I'm just not caring enough to slog through all of this shit
"You're half Senju and half Uchiha and you need the Senju and the Uchiha to summon the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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For some reason, its always suprising when you read One Piece and Bleach right after each other. THe difference is night and day. Kubo wasted a whole chapter on Ichigo's entrance. Wow. Almost looked like a substitute shinigami infomercial.
As for Naruto. I guess its cool that we're getting answers now, regardless of how stupid they are. Forgive me for saying this…..Sasuke needs to come back into the story. His trolling is a lesser evil than this Obito crap.
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Rinnegan is Uchiha, so Nagato is Senjuu/Uchiha.
Just like how Danzo is Senjuu/Uchiha.But the rinnegan itself is Uchiha/Senju appearantly, so at most nagato would be 1/4th Uchiha. Whatever, I just interpreted it like they said Nagato was the only other person in the entire world capable of summoning that statue, when in reality anyone who popped in a sharingan-eyeball and had some Hashirama cells would do.
Hell, by this chapters logic, Madara could give the Zetsus some sharingans from his little stockpile, and then each and every one of them could summon that statue.I also wonder how Madaras goals lept from "FUCK KONOHA U MISTREAT UCHIHA" to extremely elaborate worldwide 10-tail using genjutsu "Peace!" plan. But thatll propably be its own 10 chapter flashback.
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Naruto's episode wasn't too terrible but Obito not caring about why Kakashi killed Rin and jumping willingly into the idea of creating a fake fantasy world where all that never happened is just plain stupid.
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I'm confused about Ichigo's power. At this moment, is he as strong as he was when he faced Aizen at his final time, but before he did his Final Genjudwadn Tendawhatever?
And that black & white of Ichigo was nice. Such talent wasted on wasted panels. The hell.
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Naruto was confusing.
Felt like he was trying to toss in as many explanations to events prior stated to try and fill in plot holes as he could into one chapter and it felt very messy.
YET he ignored the one piece of information that we cared about, Why Rin was killed. Though of course I'm sure its up to Kakashi to tell him during this fight.
Bleach was pathetic. An entire chapter all to just show Ichigo appear. Also was very confusing, was jumping around between people and voices and what not could not tell who was who and who was talking. All i know is Ichigo appeared at the end. I guess his screaming finally paid off and he escaped his cage.
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"NO."
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Byakuya better hope he dies soon and quickly reincarnates. Cause that's some embarrassing shit he just spewed out. He'd have to hornorably kill himself if he survives. Why beg Ichigo? It's not like Ichigo has a track record of not helping. Or being told he needs to help. He jumps in at any chance. The only times he needs to be told to help out is when some villain is in SS and he happens to be in his house or at school and can't sense the danger. A poor attempt to make the readers feel sorry for Byakuya. Such a wasteful chapter.
Naruto is boring me. I can't remember all these names and what weirdly designed eye does what. They all just amount to "Fuck you! I do what I want!" powers anyways. I just wanted an explanation for why Rin was killed.
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God, Naruto is so boring, nothing happens. I can't take any more flashbacks.
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Also, I love how Kubo has ignored the other fights going on (you know, with the captains having no Bankai?)
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Yeah. Even though an army of gasmask-nazis just walked in, SS seems almost totally desolate this chapter.
But guys, this chapter was important character development for Byakuya! He used to be a total ass to Ichigo, so him actually asking for help is a big thing!
Also, we totally needed all this emphasis on Ichigo standing up for soul society, he's never done that before after all! And him arriving to finally confront the big bad is a BIG moment! I mean, this guy has been present in the story for 30 chapters!!!!!!! -
Also, I love how Kubo has ignored the other fights going on (you know, with the captains having no Bankai?)
Ah you know, they're just kickin' it.
No seriously, I think they've just been throwing back a few cold ones with the SR.
But what's funny is, this was literally BACH'S order. "Kill them.. or don't :3"
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You get the Uchiha and you add a dash of the Senju and you get the MAAAA-GIIIICCC
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@The:
Also, we totally needed all this emphasis on Ichigo standing up for soul society, he's never done that before after all! And him arriving to finally confront the big bad is a BIG moment! I mean, this guy has been present in the story for 30 chapters!!!!!!!
Hmm…..
BLEACH ARC CHECKLIST
Evil force attacks Soul Society/Karakura Town/Hueco Mundo
Ichigo and company must go off to save somebody
Cue glimpse of evil force's HQ and planning
Someone gets dismembered
Pointless flashbacks
Someone gets defeated by acting like an idiot
Crazy random transformations
Renji fails at battling
Orihime/Chad/Uryu/etc don't get to do anything useful
Ichigo activates Bankai
Hitsugaya cameo
Big bad taunts the good guys and screws them over
Ichigo arrives to save the day
New powerup for Ichigo
Aizen-esque trolling
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I don't know why, but I'm finding the panel where we first see Ichigo's face in this chapter hilarious. Probably because it looks like it's been drawn by a completely different artist.
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so apparently the mangastream translation is out.
Bach and that white haired SR actually say:
White SR: "Should I eliminate him?"
Bach: "No, we're leaving."
Ichigo drops his sword
I think I'd laugh whole hardedly if Byakuya somehow survives.
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I think I'd laugh whole hardedly if Byakuya somehow survives.
He survives because of heart
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So which chapter from either Bleach or Naruto is the most polished turd this week?
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Waste of ink, paper, time? and effort?, oh Kubo!!
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So which chapter from either Bleach or Naruto is the most polished turd this week?
Hmmm…. hard to say.
Bleach - No plot advancement at all, lots of pretty art, character who was originally a badass now a pussy.
Naruto - Some plot advancement, stupid reason for said plot advancement, characters we really don't care about.
Hard to say indeed.
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Naruto: The bullshit never ends. How could Nagato have had his eyes transplanted without him or anyone else knowing? (this was before his parents died). For that matter, why didn't Madara transplant his eyes into one of his parents instead? Was a kid a better choice than an adult? Why?
Zetsu's dark half is Madara's essence? Blah. And how does Zetsu's cannibalism and venus flytrap motif fit in with this origin story?
And of course, Obito turns evil because he's emo about the death of a girl he barely talked to and he doesn't even know why his friend killed her. Seriously, shouldn't that have been the first thing he did was wait for Kakashi to wake up and demand an explanation?
Bleach: Fuck you too Kubo
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@Barbe:
So now with this Naruto's chapter, this moment has no sense : http://www.mangareader.net/93-285-20/naruto/chapter-280.html
Why Obito and Zetsu were acting like that ? If nobody was there…Yeah I was thinking that during this chapter. Retcon, plothole. I mean, back then it was implied Tobi didn't tell them he was Madara yet and that's why he was an "underling", got accepted anyways when a spot opened and then revealed his identity.
Makes sense, to an extent - now we're told that all of Akatsuki knew from the very beginning, Zetsu being his companion & got a spot while "Madara" didn't - plus that interaction you quoted between the two. ZERO. FUCKING. SENSE!
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Yeah I find it realy, realy agravating how Ichigo has absolutely no reaction to all of SS getting slaughteted beyond making poses.
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I want goofy Tobi, not crawling in my skin Tobi
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@No:
Yeah I find it realy, realy agravating how Ichigo has absolutely no reaction to all of SS getting slaughteted beyond making poses.
God it pisses me off, people can't be allowed to have realistic reactions because they need to be COOOOOL
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I want goofy Tobi, not crawling in my skin Tobi
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God it pisses me off, people can't be allowed to have realistic reactions because they need to be COOOOOL
The need to always be "cool" is this series' biggest flaw that made it into what it is today. Nowhere is this more apparent then here.
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Kubo has never writen a realistic person in this series. Just a mishmash of massive character flaws and posers.
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"Anyone else think that the titel " anything but the rain" is a hint to ichigo having another conversation with Zangetsu? Because Zangetsu hates it when Ichigo is being weak/feeling despaired, since it causes it to rain in Ichigo's innerworld."
does this logic still can be applied in bleach nowadays?
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And all the sudden Ichigo is at Soul society with no explanation whatsoever. I'm sure we'll have a flash back chapter or 2 showing how he did it.
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Man, that Bleah chapter sure sucked a lot. I didn't even understant what happened on the first 9 pages.
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Yeah I was thinking that during this chapter. Retcon, plothole. I mean, back then it was implied Tobi didn't tell them he was Madara yet and that's why he was an "underling", got accepted anyways when a spot opened and then revealed his identity.
Makes sense, to an extent - now we're told that all of Akatsuki knew from the very beginning, Zetsu being his companion & got a spot while "Madara" didn't - plus that interaction you quoted between the two. ZERO. FUCKING. SENSE!
actually Pain was the only one who knew he was madara and thsi chapter didn't change that.
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@No:
The need to always be "cool" is this series' biggest flaw that made it into what it is today. Nowhere is this more apparent then here.
For a series that tries so hard to be cool,it sure is pretty lame.
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@No:
Yeah I find it realy, realy agravating how Ichigo has absolutely no reaction to all of SS getting slaughteted beyond making poses.
It's not the first time though. Remember when Aizen and buddies were demolishing everyone and he just sat around eating popcorn?
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Someonemakes your friends theirs, but at the same time allowing them to be your ally?
Ichigo: What should I do? This is truly complete dispair. I know! I'll kill the bastard! KILL KILL KILL!
Walk into a battlefield of easily more than 1000 casualties?
Ichigo: No fucks given. Let me throw my sword and make a cool entrance.