I only half listened, but they didn't really give an significant information, did they? Or did they talk about his whips?
Hunter x Hunter II
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I just watched Episode 31. I liked it, it felt a bit slow, but it was more of a build up espide it seemed. Can't get enough if Hiruma lol. And why was Gon and Killu's corner about the wheelchair guy?
who's that? cause i have never heard of a character with that name
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who's that? cause i have never heard of a character with that name
I have, and I can't get enough of him, but this is the wrong manga…
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who's that? cause i have never heard of a character with that name
Whoops. Hisoka lol…Lmao. I love Hiruma way too much I guess.
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Wow…I like how they handled the fight between Hisoka and Kastro. :)
Machi is a little too slender compared to the manga chapter where she first appeared.
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So is this worth starting as a new series? I gather it.. didn't drop the ball in the same way Bleach or Naruto did, right? Basically I'm looking for some new (long) things to read due to semester holidays and me not having anything to do. Plus, I really need some decent distraction :ninja:
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Hunter x Hunter is amazing, you really should read it. It is way better than Bleach and Naruto, for me. And the quality doesn't drop as the serie goes. The only problem is the art, it's not that beautiful (my opinion, there are people who like), and the author sometimes gets lazy.
But it's worth it.
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So is this worth starting as a new series? I gather it.. didn't drop the ball in the same way Bleach or Naruto did, right? Basically I'm looking for some new (long) things to read due to semester holidays and me not having anything to do. Plus, I really need some decent distraction :ninja:
I don't think it dropped the ball quite in the same way as Naruto and Bleach…That is to say it's not a habit. The only time I'd probably wished for a different outcome was the results from the arc before this latest hiatus. Other than that I feel it's a good story and interesting characters.
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HxH is your average shonen, but it can be wonderful when Togashi decides to expand the world and improve a lot character development, resulting in very good arcs.
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And as people said, Togashi is too lazy to work, his art ranges from well done to kindergarten, but it's worth it. -
I'll give it a go and maybe post a "first opinion" after a couple of chapters (that is, if people care about that -) thanks guys! :)
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Realize that you won't get into the real meat of the series until around chapter 50
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However there are some hors de vour before that.
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What would the full course menu of HxH look like?
Hors d'Oeuvre:
[hide]Hunter Exam Arc[/hide]Soup:
[hide]York Shin Arc[/hide]Fish Dish:
[hide]Greed Island Arc[/hide]Meat Dish:
[hide]Nen[/hide]Main:
[hide]Hiatus[/hide]Salad:
[hide]Scribble Art[/hide]Dessert:
[hide]TBD[/hide]Drink:
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What would the full course menu of HxH look like?
Hors d'Oeuvre:
[hide]Hunter Exam Arc[/hide]Soup:
[hide]York Shin Arc[/hide]Fish Dish:
[hide]Greed Island Arc[/hide]Meat Dish:
[hide]Nen[/hide]Main:
[hide]Hiatus[/hide]Salad:
[hide]Scribble Art[/hide]Dessert:
[hide]TBD[/hide]Drink:
[hide]Hisoka[/hide]16 characters of Me Likey.
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Loled at the main
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Good stuff.
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My dessert would be the Chimera Ant saga ( It consists of 3 arcs really, 4 if u want to count the 13th chairman arc since it resolves some plot threads from the ant arc at the end)
other than that great full course.
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Dessert could be Biscuit.
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I think if you're going into HxH you have to keep in mind that it isn't a standard shonen once you really get a ways into it. It's more of a deconstruction of shonen if anything.
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togashi sure loves to take the cliches and turning them on their heads.
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I think if you're going into HxH you have to keep in mind that it isn't a standard shonen once you really get a ways into it. It's more of a deconstruction of shonen if anything.
togashi sure loves to take the cliches and turning them on their heads.
Here's a little boy and girl. Here's a touching back story about them.
! Watch them get eaten by a queen ant at the end of a chapter.
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I got the 21 volumes I ordered from ebay yesterday (I just finished reading the volumes I didn't have) and I have to say that the dessert should be the volume releases. Dear god, the art is so much better than the magazine scans. Except for the censorship of some of the violence, but otherwise everything is much better.
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HxH is your average shonen, but it can be wonderful when Togashi decides to expand the world and improve a lot character development, resulting in very good arcs.
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And as people said, Togashi is too lazy to work, his art ranges from well done to kindergarten, but it's worth it.Ah, but the tankoubons usually have cleaned up artwork. Those are much much better than the stuff in weekly shounen jump.
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The second OST was released in Japan yesterday. For those of you curious, here's a link to a 45 second sample of each song. Some interesting songs this time around; the Phantom Troupe themes are pretty great.
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any idea on when this hiatus is gonna end?
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Not soon, I imagine. Togashi takes his sweet ass time, so it's best to just assume that he won't return and be surprised when he does. Hooray low standards!
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@Mr.:
The second OST was released in Japan yesterday. For those of you curious, here's a link to a 45 second sample of each song. Some interesting songs this time around; the Phantom Troupe themes are pretty great.
The only themes I want are the Hisoka theme and that piano version of the OST.
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The only themes I want are the Hisoka theme and that piano version of the OST.
Hisoka's theme was on the first OST:
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any idea on when this hiatus is gonna end?
After he redraws pretty much the entirety of the last volume.
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Hisoka's theme was on the first OST:
I can so picture a el mariachi trio covering this.
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I can so picture a el mariachi trio covering this.
Actually Hisoka's theme is inspired in flamenco.
It's spanish music, not mexican: -
@RobbyBevard:
After he redraws pretty much the entirety of the last volume.
Speaking of, has he gone back and redrawn a good portion of the Ant arc? Since that had plenty of low art moments. I guess the only way to notice is in the volumes? And yes the last arc did get lazy/low quality outlines and blank background/structures as well.
Is he required to go back and redo them for the volumes? That seems like quite a bit of work, redoing all of that before moving on to new chapters to be honest.
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I got the 21 volumes I ordered from ebay yesterday (I just finished reading the volumes I didn't have) and I have to say that the dessert should be the volume releases. Dear god, the art is so much better than the magazine scans. Except for the censorship of some of the violence, but otherwise everything is much better.
The tanks are censored?
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Yeah, that is odd. Some of the mag scans had those black rectangles censoring some stuff.
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@They:
Is he required to go back and redo them for the volumes? That seems like quite a bit of work, redoing all of that before moving on to new chapters to be honest.
Well, maybe he should get it right the first time then.
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@They:
Speaking of, has he gone back and redrawn a good portion of the Ant arc? Since that had plenty of low art moments. I guess the only way to notice is in the volumes? And yes the last arc did get lazy/low quality outlines and blank background/structures as well.
Is he required to go back and redo them for the volumes? That seems like quite a bit of work, redoing all of that before moving on to new chapters to be honest.
Literally every single chapter from volumes 18-24 has been redrawn for the volumes; all of the art throughout the first half of the Chimera Ant arc was redone from the drafts published during the weekly serialization. You should consider buying the Viz volumes or checking them out from your local library. The translation is not only leagues better, but the art as well.
Some might find it interesting to compare the art in Togashi's drafts to the art in the volumes. There are many differences.
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When you say drafts, do you mean the official chapters he releases in Weekly Jump to the people who buy it with their own money?
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Well, maybe he should get it right the first time then.
Man have you got brass balls or what
! Perspective: you're judging Togashi for artwork you're seeing illegally and aren't even paying for?
Frrrr real, take a minute and think about just what it is you're getting mad about.
This isn't just directed at you mind, but all the non-Japanese readers who get snarky about the first 2 or so scribbly chapters in what,
6 to 8 years? (The Chimera Ant arc started at least that long ago)
! The folks who fund Shonen Jump are the people who pay for the magazine weekly and the folks who buy the tanks. The only place Togashi's occasionally bad artwork can be found is in the weekly mag, which scanlators put up because no one wants to wait for the volume releases to eventually come out here. Nobody who purchases the volumes could ever be upset with their quality. One could argue that it's the subscribers who're being cheated - but since they're not just paying for Hunter X Hunter but rather every single series in Jump, they aren't really losing that much - certainly, you're not losing anything,
! as you're not buying anything
not even the volumes – but correct me if I'm wrong!
! The international fandom might - might - have a dog in this fight if they'd been buying all the volumes - but if you're buying them you're seeing all the redrawn art so
so
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i mean hey, just some perspective, but
You just aren't paying him, dude.
And if you were, you'd be buying the best he had to offer. -
Just to clarify, how many times have you made massively long posts complaining about Fairy Tail or Reborn?
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@Thousand:
When you say drafts, do you mean the official chapters he releases in Weekly Jump to the people who buy it with their own money?
I hear that most of it's readers wait for the volumes to come out and buy those instead of reading it in the magazine, besides no author makes money from the magazine only shueisha. The authors money comes fro
The volumes that's why authors redraw parts for the volumes even oda does this. -
I hear that most of it's readers wait for the volumes to come out and buy those instead of reading it in the magazine, besides no author makes money from the magazine only shueisha. The authors money comes fro
The volumes that's why authors redraw parts for the volumes even oda does this.They don't make money from the sales of the magazine, but they have a fixed salary per page.
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@Thousand:
Just to clarify, how many times have you made massively long posts complaining about Fairy Tail or Reborn?
It's not like the plot stops sucking on the volumes.
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It's not like he buys the volumes either :)
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I buy the volumes. I pay the author money. (I also have all 62 volumes of OP, 10 volumes of Bakuman, and a crazy ammount of other series I support) And if it was being released through Jump Alpha, we'd be getting the terrible art quality chapters here too.
As a direct result of the approach Togashi takes with his handling of the weekly (and his hiatuses) the schedule and availability of those volumes sometimes take years between volumes, and in fact risk never coming out here again, fans forgetting about it, retailers not buying it. As evidenced by the fact that several of the volumes stateside stay out of print due to the scheduling (there's three or four volumes impossible to find at reasonable prices, I still don't have a copy of volume 11.)
Yes, it is absolutely fair to complain about him not doing it right the first time. If he needs his breaks to stew on the story and bring the best quality he can and build a buffer, that's one thing. I'll bow to the "other weekly series end up sucking and the time he takes shows in the final story." excuse, because no one wants it to turn into Naruto. But when the art falls to the level it does, when the breaks are unscheduled and last an unknown ammount of time? Where it needs to be redone from scratch and then proportionately delays the next part of the story? That delays my ability to get the part of the story that is already out? That is a problem.
Any other manga, if you were waiting for trade, you only need to wait a few weeks after the last chapter. With Togashi, there have been instances of waiting a year and a half between a chapter coming out, and being able to read it if you're trade only. That's a huge and unfair punishment for actually buying the trades and only the trades.
I hear that most of it's readers wait for the volumes to come out and buy those instead of reading it in the magazine, besides no author makes money from the magazine only shueisha. The authors money comes fro
The volumes that's why authors redraw parts for the volumes even oda does this.They don't make money from the sales of the magazine, but they have a fixed salary per page.
Both wrong. The authors get paid by the page for the weekly, rates varying by how much they contribute to the magazine. They then ALSO get paid for the volumes sold. (And merchandising tie ins and anime stuff and what have you.) The money they make on the volumes can be way way more depending on the sales, but they get paid for both.
Oda almost never actually redraws anything from scratch, he just fixes and tweaks minor things. He certainly never lets his rough draft notes go to press. He also has the most in depth and time consuming bonus pages out of any manga I know. (Kishimoto ocassionally has a pencilled page or two that haven't been inked that he cleans up.)
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I've said this before, but PLENTY of authors do that kind of thing. Plenty of series go on long hiatuses and don't say when they're going to be back, and plenty will occasionally have sketchy artwork in the magazine because the author is behind. I've seen it with quite a few others. And there aren't even that many manga that get scanlated or raws of the magazine issues, and some change quite a lot. Some add in entirely new pages and some redo all of the inking or even lineart from the chapters because they were short on time for some reason. Also, in large part it's Jump's decision to release the volumes after a really long time in order to promote the series continuing in the magazine again, not so much Togashi. Volume 30 came out at the normal pace a volume would.
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Man have you got brass balls or what
Oh, you noticed.
Perspective: you're judging Togashi for artwork you're seeing illegally and aren't even paying for?
Well, yeah. If you're saying I shouldn't, then:
-By your logic, I can't state my opinion on anything I read/watch for free online.
-I don't see you coming to the rescue of Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, Reborn, etc. when dozens of people bash them endlessly each week without paying for them.Frrrr real, take a minute and think about just what it is you're getting mad about.
Mad? No. Disappointed. Yes.
This isn't just directed at you mind, but all the non-Japanese readers who get snarky about the first 2 or so scribbly chapters in what,
6 to 8 years? (The Chimera Ant arc started at least that long ago)I'm not for sure, but weren't like two or three of those years spent on hiatus? LOL.
The folks who fund Shonen Jump are the people who pay for the magazine weekly and the folks who buy the tanks. The only place Togashi's occasionally bad artwork can be found is in the weekly mag, which scanlators put up because no one wants to wait for the volume releases to eventually come out here. Nobody who purchases the volumes could ever be upset with their quality. One could argue that it's the subscribers who're being cheated - but since they're not just paying for Hunter X Hunter but rather every single series in Jump, they aren't really losing that much - certainly, you're not losing anything,
Actually, yeah, for the subscribers who like Hunter x Hunter, that is kind of a loss since Togashi is saying, "Hey subscribers, fuck you. If you want good art then you'll have to buy the tankoubons."
But hey, that's fine, it's his loss. He's just losing loyal fans by doing that.
soooooooooo
i mean hey, just some perspective, but
You just aren't paying him, dude.
And if you were, you'd be buying the best he had to offer.I actually did buy volume 1 recently, and I'm working on getting the rest of them. It may difficult though. Have you seen the price listings for volumes 14 and 8 on Amazon recently?
Also, yeah, everything Robby said is spot on.
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@Thousand:
Just to clarify, how many times have you made massively long posts complaining about Fairy Tail or Reborn?
About as often as I mention that, despite, say, Bleach and Naruto being complete pigshit,
I also acknowledge that I'm not paying for them anymore, and so all my hot air doesn't mean much.
You'll find them cropping up when someone is passing judgement on an author, rather than a manga's own merits.Frequently in the TOC thread, there may be a few in the Manga Tier thread too.
Look for Kareem Said's posts and you'll probably find mine in close proximity.
If you like, we can find them all and have a big tit-for-tat about hypocrisy and entitlement.
But if those massively long posts didn't already make it clear, all my posts are prefaced by:"Oh, I know I have no ground to stand on when it comes to railing on about manga I don't buy."
The difference is I know.Everybody should. Feeling passionately about manga is one thing, but it should always be tempered by perspective.
Robby is 100% right and his opinion has value relative to Hunter X Hunter because he buys Hunter X Hunter.
I don't nearly have all of them, but I have a few, so I too could get a bit snippy up Togashi's sketches, if I wanted to.
I don't, but what does grind my gears is the people who grumble over pirated online images we were never supposed to see from a series they were never going to purchase.-By your logic, I can't state my opinion on anything I read/watch for free online.
-I don't see you coming to the rescue of Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, Reborn, etc. when dozens of people bash them endlessly each week without paying for them.Try again:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28240&page=27&p=1913954&viewfull=1#post1913954 http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28240&page=27&p=1914234&highlight=#post1914234 http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28240&page=28&p=1914970&highlight=#post1914970 http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28240&page=28&p=1915030&highlight=#post1915030 http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28240&page=125&p=2379657&highlight=#post2379657 -
@RobbyBevard:
Both wrong. The authors get paid by the page for the weekly, rates varying by how much they contribute to the magazine. They then ALSO get paid for the volumes sold. (And merchandising tie ins and anime stuff and what have you.) The money they make on the volumes can be way way more depending on the sales, but they get paid for both.
So, how was I wrong?
I never said authors don't get paid for the volumes sold.
What I said is that, as for the magazine, they get a salary per page.I'm just using Bakuman as reference. So maybe I'm wrong. The question is how what you said contradicts what I said.
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So, how was I wrong?
I never said authors don't get paid for the volumes sold.
What I said is that, as for the magazine, they get a salary per page."They don't make money from the sales of the magazine"
They DO. Their page rate is based on how much influence their title is seen to have on selling the mag. Page rates can vary wildly.
but they have a fixed salary per page."
And that rate can change radically from year to year… based on the sales of the magazine.
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@Thousand:
It's not like he buys the volumes either :)
Complaining about an author's work ethic is not the same as complaining about the work itself. /just sayin.