The anime is a really disappointing thing, come to think of it.
Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
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Like I said in the chapter thread, no Monster Trio vs The Three Admirals.
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There really isn't any benefit in creating clone accounts to reply to myself. But thanks for the constructive post to this thread.
Now it feels like I'm feeding the troll.:getlost: But let's see….
I'm not sure where you got the statistics from, but if a good chunk of the big shots who are your enemies are using devil fruit powers, it makes sense (to me) to develop lethal seastone bullets against them, unless there's already a canonical explanation for why they didn't. It's a rare material, but enough to make nets, cuffs AND cages too, so why not bullets?
You realize all these things are reusable and bullets aren't right?
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GOD why dont militarys just make all there bullets out of diamonds
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That people thought the casket thingy would turn Shira into a human-sized Fishman karate expert….SMH
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You realize all these things are reusable and bullets aren't right?
You meant to say that when given the chance to eliminate a devil fruit user using a gun that shoots a single seastone bullet, versus a gun that shoots out a single seastone net, you want to consider cost as your top priority? It's like hey, we know these DF users have a weakness, but instead of exploiting it to the maximum, we want to be thrifty and build tons of warships and pacifista instead!
@Cyan:
GOD why dont militarys just make all there bullets out of diamonds
Metal bullets do a great job injuring a normal person, that's why there's no need for the extra mile. But not against devil fruit users in the world of one piece.
This isn't even a random question that pops out of nowhere. If you understand enough Japanese to search Google, there are people asking about it as well for quite a while already. The fact that Oda hasn't really directly answered this question either through the manga chapters or SBS reveals the possibility that this might end up being a plot hole. I rather pray for seastone bullets to actually exist and be done with it (ok, so they're lethal, but Luffy can evade it now), than to convince myself that guns can't shoot seastone bullets (we're already shooting seastone nets), seastones are rare (I just need what, 30 bullets for a 30-man sniper team), or costly (I'd rather cease production of nets and produce one bullet for every net I stop producing). I hope Oda won't be answering this question using any of those half-hearted reason.
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You do know that seastones are very rare, right?
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not only seastone are extremely rare, bullet made of it will be an extremely dangerous double edge sword..
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plus with haki, hitting a df will be very hard..
and then they will have to make a seastone bomb.. and...
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Rarity
The rarity of seastone is questionable. Is it SO rare that they can't afford to make a few specialised bullets out of it for specific uses, as is with seastone nets? I don't think so. Most people are arguing within the premise that since it's a rare material, it is a waste to randomly fire it off as rounds. I'm not talking about mass manufacturing seastone bullets so that every rookie marine soldier has a magazine of those; it won't be feasible considering its rarity. I'm talking about just a few guns, armed with a single round each, much like the guns that fire a seastone nets and are used only when facing DF users.Not many pirates are DF users
Not many? Perhaps. But they cause enough trouble for the Marines to bother making cages and cuffs. There's thus far no canonical material suggesting the impossibility of seastone bullets either. So it could a situation of Oda intending for them to exist, but not yet the timing to reveal them (and you guys would probably go like "Oh, of course seastone rounds are possible, why not? I've always been a proponent of its possibility"), or evading this topic forever.Seastone rounds would be too large for the gun barrels
A gun can launch a seastone net, so if Oda intends for rounds to exist, it can easily be made plausible. In fact, it's because they could shoot seastone nets, the fact that seastones are hard, and the way seastone cages looked like on the Crocodile's cage that made people consider the possibility of bullets.Seastone bullets would be useless against Logia users
I saw this on a Japanese forum, not sure if anyone here has mentioned this theory before. Basically Logia users may be able to transform themselves to their respective elements and allow the bullet to go through. Then again, this is just a theory as well. Who knows, it's possible that once the round get within their body they nullify the fruit ability and forbid them to stay in their elemental form.Seastone bullets would be a dangerous double edged sword
So are seastone cages. By itself seastone is already a dangerous double edged sword, since other users have possession of seastone besides the Matines. It's a matter of whether Oda meant for the characters to survive or not when he drew the manga. If they're meant to escape, all the Marines would suddenly miss when they fire they seastone nets, or fail to do so in time. And you probably don't want to touch on the "it's difficult to hit Haki users", that's as good as saying that the Marines shouldn't make cages and nets since they would fail and give up on capturing DF users with Haki. Not sure why making seastone bullets would make seastone BOMBS a must as well though. -
what the fuck do you want actually? if suddenly every seastone bullet missed against luffy, people will complain, plot armour bla bla bla.. people like you will still complains.. plus, net aren't as dangerous as bullet.. if you don't believe me, try to take a net to your head and then take a bullet fired by a gun through your head.. and then tell me which one is more dangerous.. use logic dude..
WB stabbed Aokiji with his weapon.. some random pirates said that attack was equipped with haki.. nothing happen to Aokiji.. yeah..
pirates are no not the only DF users.. WG and marines have them too.. that is one of the reasons why seastone bullet are much dangerous than seastone net.. the risk and reward are to high..
hey, smoker weapon are equipped with seastone..
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speaking about using seastone bullet to stop a df user, I heard that haki users can imbued their haki to their weapon.. so, it is much more cost effective for WG and MArine to just use their haki users rather than investing their resources to the seastone bullet.. i heard that seastone are very rare
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I want seastone bullets to exist, actually. It's not like it'll be the end of the world, so why not? Adds a twist to the story, marines get more serious against DF users, pro pirates with Haki can still evade it with ease. Even Luffy was evading nets during the Impel Down arc without the help of Haki, goes to show that if a character is meant to be captured, he would be.
WB stabbed Aokiji with his weapon.. some random pirates said that attack was equipped with haki.. nothing happen to Aokiji.. yeah..
Aokiji created a hole in his body at that moment he was stabbed to avoid the contact effect of Haki,which was why he didn't take damage. It was his intention to come into close proximity of Whitebeard and attack up close.
–Stabbed with Haki?!
--Did it kill Aokiji?!
Aokiji: "No! Don't be ridiculous."But when Jozu knocked him off from the side, Jozu literally bashed him to bits (and he has Haki), which is why he took internal injury and bled at the corner of his lips.
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speaking about using seastone bullet to stop a df user, I heard that haki users can imbued their haki to their weapon.. so, it is much more cost effective for WG and MArine to just use their haki users rather than investing their resources to the seastone bullet.. i heard that seastone are very rare
You didn't hear anything wrong, those bold points are correct and canon. The "so, it is more cost effective" thingy isn't though. I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm indeed kind of disappointed that Oda hasn't really addressed this point directly, which leads to all the theory fans come up with either for or against seastone bullets.
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Okay now, this is getting out of hand.
Marineford: We've seen ships with seastone, nets, cages etc. These are relatively big especially compared to a bullet. Maybe the marines don't have the technology to use seastone for such miniature things as making usable bullets. Maybe they can't make weapons compatible with seastone bullets.
That's one thing. Another thing which was mentioned before: nets, ships etc, are all things that are either reusable, or can be used for a long period of time. Bullets however quite literally "hit or miss", meaning that they either make damage to the opponent or not. If not, well, that was a waste of money and effort. If so, it doesn't mean the opponent is down, nor that he's can't run away etc. So, even if a marine does hit him for let's say 5 times (out of 10), it's not necessarily a win. And if it is, I guess we can say that the DF user opponent was quite weak, so the bullets were wasted.
Third: bullets aren't necessary. If "small" marines can't use them (not enough for everybody) then who can? Vice-Admirals? They don't need it. Also, I think the Marines are capable of using other kinds of equipment effectively.This is my basic view on things.
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so it just come down to what you want.. so its not an actual plothole..
and IIRC Oda once said that DF in one of OP big secret. so there are about it than what we know now.. and Luffy still doesn't meet VEGAPUNK.. so you are just being impatient.. so yeah, wait for vegapunk.. if you know what I mean.. and most of the fans here somehow HAVE to reply to your post/comment. its not like we are blindly defending OP and creat our our fan-fictions and called it a cannon. but it just you to impatient and complaining without a proper and solid "thinm.. Oda already address about this whole secret thing when he mention Vegapunk. -
I do think it is a plot hole, for the reason that the idea isn't entirely inconceivable enough for people not to have this idea, yet Oda didn't straight out have an explanation denouncing the possibility of its existence either.
Yeah yeah, it's rare, it's hard, it's non-recyclable, and if these are good enough reasons Oda would have answered in the SBS long ago. You don't see people asking why a person can't have two DF powers (because Lucci explained during Enies Lobby Arc that they would die), and you don't see people saying whether Oda made a mistake when BB got two DF powers, since it's a plot mystery (and not a mistake) to be revealed by Oda himself (or rather, Vegapunk). But you see people asking about seastone bullets, and then neither the story nor SBS have answered this directly. It's definitely NOT a fact that seastone bullets CANNOT exist.
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I guess Nolus is right in that my disappointment arises from my impatience at the lack of explanation. It's actually more of something I didn't understand at first, but after seeing the reasons some of you provided, I'm convinced that if this gets explained by Oda eventually, then all's good (and I'm indeed impatient), but if it stays unanswered in the end then you have a pretty significant plot hole. -
I do think it is a plot hole, for the reason that the idea isn't entirely inconceivable enough for people not to have this idea. Oda didn't straight out have an explanation denouncing the possibility of its existence either.
Yeah yeah, it's rare, it's hard, it's non-recyclable, and if these are good enough reasons Oda would have answered in the SBS long ago. You don't see people asking why a person can't have two DF powers (because Lucci explained during Enies Lobby Arc that they would die), and you don't see people saying whether Oda made a mistake when BB got two DF powers, since it's a plot mystery (and not a mistake) to be revealed by Oda himself (or rather, Vegapunk). But you see people asking about seastone bullets, and then neither the story nor SBS have answered this directly. It's definitely NOT a fact that seastone bullets CANNOT exist.
They can exist, they just aren't that useful.
It's certainly not a plot hole. Remember, One Piece is an ongoing manga, so there are things yet to get answered/found etc.
You need to be patient. Sooner or later, Oda will give us a clue about seastone bullets. If not, well that's too bad. -
How is this hard to understand
Hey, that's my line.
I don't know why you're talking about their strength like they actually can't break out of them. Looks at the scene, then look at the people in the scene, then think about what's happening in and beyond the scene.
The people who tied Luffy were the normal citizens of FI, nothing special. Not an enemy of the SH. If they were an enemy they wouldn't be able to strain him. That's why I said there isn't any danger. The scene in itself should be taking as humor, not disappointment.Like this: "Haha, Luffy got tied up by a nobody."
Not like this: "The fuck?"Then, the rope was used as a tool to show just how weak VDD, and how Luffy doesn't even need to use his arms to own someone like VDD. "Look, no hands."
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For me the most things I don't like are quite small ones and after a while they don't usually feel so annoying anymore, but at the time they happen I remember being really annoyed about some of them.
Quite many people here doesn't like that not many people die in One Piece and some have mentioned names like Arlong and Enel. At first I too was annoyed that Arlong or Enel didn't die, but it doesn's matter much anymore. Infact nowadays I actually hope that Enel would make a comeback The one guy that I would truly have preferred to die is Spandam, hopefully we will never see him again. And I actually liked that Pell didn't die :ninja:
Davy Back fight arc and Foxy are also things I don't like. Foxy is just amazingly annoying and the Davy Back arc was stupid. I didn't find it so funny and I felt that Foxy's crew was too hard to handle for Strawhats considering how weak they actually are. So it felt like Oda belittled Strawhats.
One other annoying thing is also Luffy's luck in Croc and Enel fights. It doesn't matter if it's tvseries, movie, book, comic or whatever, I don't like fights were protagonist wins just because of luck. Small amount of luck I don't mind but in these two fights it was too big of a factor imo.
Luffy was able to win against Croc because he was lucky that the water buble dropped on to him after he was dried and Robin saved him from the sandpit. In both cases he would have died without some help. Ofcourse there is also the fact that Croc was idiot to not make sure that he killed Luffy… Against Enel Luffy could win because he was lucky that he had ate the Gum Gum fruit, without it he wouldn't had a chance.
Someone said that they didn't like how Thriller Bark ended and I remember being dissapointed too when Kuma just left them there alive without a proper reason. In this case also it doesn't matter whether it's tvseries, movie, book, comic or whatever, it's illogical when badguy leaves his opponent alive without a good reason. But luckily in this case it was understandable after it came clear that Kuma was Dragon's trusted friend.
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You meant to say that when given the chance to eliminate a devil fruit user using a gun that shoots a single seastone bullet, versus a gun that shoots out a single seastone net, you want to consider cost as your top priority? It's like hey, we know these DF users have a weakness, but instead of exploiting it to the maximum, we want to be thrifty and build tons of warships and pacifista instead!
Are you a child or just very stupid? I shouldn't have to break this down. There are millions of pirates. There are less than 500 DF users on the entire planet. Plenty of them Marines and Civlians. Cost, availability, and practicality are all factors in this. Most bullets also never hit their mark either so its not just one bullet per DF user.
Its like giving all policemen armor piercing rounds and elephant tranquilizers for the rare chance they come across hitmen in top of the line bulletproof vests and escaped large animals. How is a sea stone bullet anymore damaging to a DF user anyway? Other than Logia's and people like Luffy what does a seastone bullet do to WB, Iva, a Zoan user, Foxy, Hancock, Moriah, Bonney, Robin, or Brook that a normal bullet won't do. Other than getting lodged inside and potentially crippling them like poison not much more.
All your other objections and worries are completely idiotic. Not the last bit deserving of acknowledgement or empathy. There not being more Seastone weapons among high ranking Grand Line/Paradise is a bit disappointing but still understandable.Weapons like Smoker's jutte was an early concept Oda likely scrapped and where would these weapons be coming from? Smoker has connections but random Rear Admiral has near SA has it why? NW marines don't need completely impracticable seastone bullets since the ones going after strong pirates may know CoA like the Kuja civilians do.
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Its like giving all policemen armor piercing rounds and elephant tranquilizers for the rare chance they come across hitmen in top of the line bulletproof vests and escaped large animals.
I'm not talking about mass manufacturing seastone bullets so that every rookie marine soldier has a magazine of those; it won't be feasible considering its rarity. I'm talking about just a few guns, armed with a single round each, much like the guns that fire a seastone nets and are used only when facing DF users.
You reply without reading my later post and in a manner as if I've raised the most inconceivable idea ever in the world of One Piece.
It's not.
At least I've decided to agree with Nolus that at this point the possibility/existence of seastone bullets has neither been denounced nor established canonically, whereas you want to start the argument all over again. If this idea is that idiotic to you, feel free to go screaming at others who've questioned this point before. In other languages as well, if you can, since I'm pretty sure One Piece forums in Japanese/German/Spanish have similar debates.
At first I too was annoyed that Arlong or Enel didn't die, but it doesn's matter much anymore.
Agreed.
The one guy that I would truly have preferred to die is Spandam, hopefully we will never see him again.
Agreed! Irritating me all the way throughout the whole Enies Lobby Arc until Robin broke him in two. That was satisfying.
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I replied to your response nothing more and nobody is starting an argument. I already said its not worth further acknowledgement. It's not the idea of seastone bullets that is incoceivable but your stance that their possible existence or non-existence is something either Oda or the story needs to address or else it's a plot hole.
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I do think it is a plot hole, for the reason that the idea isn't entirely inconceivable enough for people not to have this idea, yet Oda didn't straight out have an explanation denouncing the possibility of its existence either.
Yeah yeah, it's rare, it's hard, it's non-recyclable, and if these are good enough reasons Oda would have answered in the SBS long ago. You don't see people asking why a person can't have two DF powers (because Lucci explained during Enies Lobby Arc that they would die), and you don't see people saying whether Oda made a mistake when BB got two DF powers, since it's a plot mystery (and not a mistake) to be revealed by Oda himself (or rather, Vegapunk). But you see people asking about seastone bullets, and then neither the story nor SBS have answered this directly. It's definitely NOT a fact that seastone bullets CANNOT exist.
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I guess Nolus is right in that my disappointment arises from my impatience at the lack of explanation. It's actually more of something I didn't understand at first, but after seeing the reasons some of you provided, I'm convinced that if this gets explained by Oda eventually, then all's good (and I'm indeed impatient), but if it stays unanswered in the end then you have a pretty significant plot hole.Lack of explanation? if you really want CANON, we haven't meet Dr. Vegapunk yet, who is the one that know more than anybody else about Df and Seastone, who are doing all sort of experiments with seastone..
and one thing you said a couple of time, you want a canon explanation, an explanation from Oda, hey, guess what you too make a baseless claimed that seastone bullet are not exist in OP.. where the fuck in the manga that say it doesn't exist? so please, come out from you fan-fic world and stop making a baseless comment.
most of fans here too doesn't have the right answer to your question but we are actually patiently wait for Oda to write his story.. and most of the answer are came from the observation we did from the manga..
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Ryuksgelus, let's make it simple for you. My disappointment lies in the lack of explanation from Oda regarding the possibility of a very common idea among fans. Your 1st two posts merely dish out reasons justifying how seastone bullets should not exist:
You realize all these things are reusable and bullets aren't right?
Are you a child or just very stupid? I shouldn't have to break this down. There are millions of pirates. There are less than 500 DF users on the entire planet. Plenty of them Marines and Civlians. Cost, availability, and practicality are all factors in this. Most bullets also never hit their mark either so its not just one bullet per DF user.
Its like giving all policemen armor piercing rounds and elephant tranquilizers for the rare chance they come across hitmen in top of the line bulletproof vests and escaped large animals. How is a sea stone bullet anymore damaging to a DF user anyway? Other than Logia's and people like Luffy what does a seastone bullet do to WB, Iva, a Zoan user, Foxy, Hancock, Moriah, Bonney, Robin, or Brook that a normal bullet won't do. Other than getting lodged inside and potentially crippling them like poison not much more.
That's fine with me, actually. But somehow you want to add the "Are you a child or just very stupid?" part. Are you a child or just very stupid? The same reasons have been raised long before your posts, and they're not even the sort of solid explanation that decisively ends the debate. I don't actually need your self-justification for why they don't exist in this thread. But we can always debate in PM.
Hisoga, why the fuck do you think adding the word 'fuck' makes your point any more valid than before? Why the f…nevermind, why did you sidetrack to talk about Haki in Aokiji VS Whitebeard? Why did you always use strawman's argument in your post, like can't I list seastone bullets as a disappointment/confusing point, just because the manga hasn't not clarified on it?
If any one of you have any issues with me posting my own disappointment, direct it to my PM. If you (Ryuksgelus) want to debate about the factors contributing to the possibility or impossibility of seastone bullets existing, direct it to my PM. If you (Hisoga) want to raise points totally irrelevant to my disappointment, directly it to my PM.
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Ryuksgelus, let's make it simple for you. My disappointment lies in the lack of explanation from Oda regarding the possibility of a very common idea among fans. Your 1st two posts merely dish out reasons justifying how seastone bullets should not exist:
That's fine with me, actually. But somehow you want to add the "Are you a child or just very stupid?" part. Are you a child or just very stupid? The same reasons have been raised long before your posts, and they're not even the sort of solid explanation that decisively ends the debate. I don't actually need your self-justification for why they don't exist in this thread. But we can always debate in PM.
Hisoga, why the fuck do you think adding the word 'fuck' makes your point any more valid than before? Why the f…nevermind, why did you sidetrack to talk about Haki in Aokiji VS Whitebeard? Why did you always use strawman's argument in your post, like can't I list seastone bullets as a disappointment/confusing point, just because the manga hasn't not clarified on it?
If any one of you have any issues with me posting my own disappointment, direct it to my PM. If you (Ryuksgelus) want to debate about the factors contributing to the possibility or impossibility of seastone bullets existing, direct it to my PM. If you (Hisoga) want to raise points totally irrelevant to my disappointment, directly it to my PM.
no dude.. that is how I talk in real life. I am not angry or anything. and please don't change the topic on the way "I" wrote/talk.
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Just stating my opinion on this seastone bullet argument….
First of all, there are no seastone bullets so far because it's is really not that useful. It's rare, bullets rarely hit, and there are only so many DF users. That and and the fact that reusable items like handcuffs and cages are well REUSABLE. Other people explained this with great detail so I won't go further on this.
Second of all, haki infused bullets would work similarly or even better than seastone bullets. Vice admirals and above have haki, so only lower rank marines would even use seastone bullets.
You say that Oda has not addressed this issue. I think he's either saving the explanation when we meet Vegapunk. (like how long we had to wait to have haki explained) I could also imagine Oda introducing a badass marksman that uses seastone bullets. He'd need to have a lot coz if one of the SH fall down after a few hits, that would be lame…
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The most disappointing things is:That people still don't understand what Kizaru shot the key,and not Ace or Luffy in the head…
It would make the Marines LOOK BAD.One of the main goals of the War was for image,to show that the Marines are powerful enough to handle a Yonkou,especially The Whitebeard.And that their military strength is world class.Yes,it was also to kill Ace and Whitebeard,but they had to do it in a way that shows they are in control
I guess people were too busy looking at the pretty pictures,But Sengoku says that they need the world to have confidence in the Marines,and they couldnt show all the battle,like when the Pacaifasas were attacking.The Admirals were supposed to do as little as possible.They aren't the main fighters.Ace's execution time wasn't ready,so they had to stall time.Again,it would look like the Marines had no control over the situation....
Lol,sorry if this turned out to be a rant...
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The most disappointing things is: That people still don't understand what Kizaru shot the key,and not Ace or Luffy in the head…
He also didn't shoot Buggy in the head, when carrying Jinbe and Luffy. He missed by a little. He didn't shoot Marco in the head. He didn't shoot Oars through the head. He didn't even shoot Luffy in the head, before Ace was released. He just kicked him around a bit. He left the matter to Sengoku, and continued his skirmish with Whitebeard.
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@Baou:
The most disappointing things is:That people still don't understand what Kizaru shot the key,and not Ace or Luffy in the head…
It would make the Marines LOOK BAD.One of the main goals of the War was for image,to show that the Marines are powerful enough to handle a Yonkou,especially The Whitebeard.And that their military strength is world class.Yes,it was also to kill Ace and Whitebeard,but they had to do it in a way that shows they are in control
I guess people were too busy looking at the pretty pictures,But Sengoku says that they need the world to have confidence in the Marines,and they couldnt show all the battle,like when the Pacaifasas were attacking.The Admirals were supposed to do as little as possible.They aren't the main fighters.Ace's execution time wasn't ready,so they had to stall time.Again,it would look like the Marines had no control over the situation....
Lol,sorry if this turned out to be a rant...
It's totally befitting of Borsalino's fairly independent personality to sort of do as he wished; messing with them by just destroying the key is totally something he would do. When Law got away in the submarine he was the first to basically shrug and say it's over with, while Sakazuki and Kuzan were still miffed; seems like he wasn't taking the whole thing too seriously.
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Also, Marineford, Seastone bullets are absolutely not any sort of "plot hole", so many acceptable explanations have been proposed that I'm not sure what you're worrying about.
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I'm on Marineford's side here. All the explanations are acceptable, but they don't quell the situation. Seeing as the marines encounter strong enough DF users on an often enough basis at least attempting them seems worthwhile. For that matter, seastone anything is concerning. Smoker seems to be the only one with an actual seastone weapon, and I wonder why more marines don't have swords, bullets, or even seastone cannonballs.
I have the patience to wait until Oda explains it though, and just consider it something disconcerting for now. But, as Marineford has said, if Oda doesn't explain it does become a plothole. It would seem like a "oh, that's too powerful to deal with" kind of thing. Lazy writing.
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I'm on Marineford's side here. All the explanations are acceptable, but they don't quell the situation. Seeing as the marines encounter strong enough DF users on an often enough basis at least attempting them seems worthwhile. For that matter, seastone anything is concerning. Smoker seems to be the only one with an actual seastone weapon, and I wonder why more marines don't have swords, bullets, or even seastone cannonballs.
I have the patience to wait until Oda explains it though, and just consider it something disconcerting for now. But, as Marineford has said, if Oda doesn't explain it does become a plothole. It would seem like a "oh, that's too powerful to deal with" kind of thing. Lazy writing.
i am glad you have some patience. and if you really read ALL the comment regarding this matter, all those fan-theory regarding this matter you'll see something like " all the seastone weapons shown thus far is not deadly like smoker weapon and weapons seastone net etc..".. that is something that i will not call a lazy writing..
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I'm on Marineford's side here. All the explanations are acceptable, but they don't quell the situation. Seeing as the marines encounter strong enough DF users on an often enough basis at least attempting them seems worthwhile. For that matter, seastone anything is concerning. Smoker seems to be the only one with an actual seastone weapon, and I wonder why more marines don't have swords, bullets, or even seastone cannonballs.
I have the patience to wait until Oda explains it though, and just consider it something disconcerting for now. But, as Marineford has said, if Oda doesn't explain it does become a plothole. It would seem like a "oh, that's too powerful to deal with" kind of thing. Lazy writing.
Not they don't. There are millions of marines. Likely fewer than 500 DF users on the entire planet. Lets be liberal and say there is a thousand that is still a small percentage. Even at MF where roughly 120,000 people were going at it only a few dozen were DF users. That is why the idiots just shoot Ace and Luffy late in the game, Buggy escaped his cell, and so many pirates are surprised their attacks don't stop Akainu. They may have heard of logias before but even being a part of WB's crew they don't have much experience with them and not all 1500+ members have seen Ace in a fight.
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I'm on Marineford's side here. All the explanations are acceptable, but they don't quell the situation. Seeing as the marines encounter strong enough DF users on an often enough basis at least attempting them seems worthwhile. For that matter, seastone anything is concerning. Smoker seems to be the only one with an actual seastone weapon, and I wonder why more marines don't have swords, bullets, or even seastone cannonballs.
I have the patience to wait until Oda explains it though, and just consider it something disconcerting for now. But, as Marineford has said, if Oda doesn't explain it does become a plothole. It would seem like a "oh, that's too powerful to deal with" kind of thing. Lazy writing.
They aren't there because they're useless in One Piece
I took the liberty of whipping up a handy list of people who are immune to regular bullets that the marines may be firing at.
Luffy
Crocodile
Maybe AokijiWell that was difficult
Something tells me the marines are not going to go around making up thousands of special rounds (Removing supplies needed to coat their ships, provide handcuffs for prisoners, etc.), then distribute those rounds to the marines, all on the off chance that they may run into the 2.5 people in the entire One Piece universe that require special bullets in order to harm them.
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Adding to Ryuksgelus and Adkizaru's posts; out of the relatively few number of DF users, only a handful have paramecias that modify their bodies to resist normal bullets. Only ones I can think of are Luffy, Jozu and possibly Magellan/Mr3 although I'm not entirely sold on the last two. Logias are even rarer with Ace, Croco and Caribou(?) being the only ones not in the Marines(Enel was hardly of concern to them). Marco is the only one in the zoan category so far and mythical zoans with a secondary ability to resist bullets will hardly be in abundance. Combine this with the previously mentioned points of most Vice-Admirals and above not needing them anyway and you have a decent explanation for their absence.
The same cannot be said for seastone nets or handcuffs because most DF users, paramecias included, CAN break free from normal nets/cuffs or have a workaround at the very least. That's why you have seastone nets, but no seastone bullets…
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They aren't there because they're useless in One Piece
I took the liberty of whipping up a handy list of people who are immune to regular bullets that the marines may be firing at.
Luffy
Crocodile
Maybe AokijiWell that was difficult
Something tells me the marines are not going to go around making up thousands of special rounds (Removing supplies needed to coat their ships, provide handcuffs for prisoners, etc.), then distribute those rounds to the marines, all on the off chance that they may run into the 2.5 people in the entire One Piece universe that require special bullets in order to harm them.
Lol, you guys are so quick to judge. I'm not saying that every single marine should have them, nor should they be mass produced. But they can't create enough for a sniper team for say, instances just like the War of the best?
Also, that list is ridiculously short. Luffy, Croc, Ace, Marco, Jozu, Alvida, Enel (assuming he was around), Kid, Hawkins, Mr. 1, Foxy (assuming seastone isn't slowed down), Kuma (presumably), Caribou. This is all assuming seastone can go through the effects that the DF powers create in certain cases, though I'm not sure.
Anyway, numbers don't matter. Just those FEW DF users at least mean we would've saw maybe one seastone bullet. Like I said, it's small, but I just want Oda to be asked about it is all.
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Also, that list is ridiculously short. Luffy, Croc, Ace, Marco, Jozu, Alvida, Enel (assuming he was around), Kid, Hawkins, Mr. 1, Foxy (assuming seastone isn't slowed down), Kuma (presumably), Caribou. This is all assuming seastone can go through the effects that the DF powers create in certain cases, though I'm not sure.
I missed Kid, Hawkins and Daz, I'll give you that. But Foxy/Kuma shouln't be hit by seastone bullets either. They don't nullify the.. uhmm, extended effects(for lack of a better word). My proof is Mr3's wax keys working on seastone cages and seastone cuffs. Alvida is a no-go for me because I believe a bullet that hits her head on shouldn't just glance off, but that's arguable so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
So that's what? Ten-Twelve people? Hardly worth the trouble of making valuable bullets which may or may not require specialised artillery to fire them. You say numbers don't matter, but lets look at in perspective. There were about 5 people out of a hundred thousand in the Marineford War who could've resisted normal bullets. That's 0.005%. How's that for numbers?
Now a sniper team, that sounds like a good idea, except that all the marine snipers we've seen so far were nothing more than fodder. Giving seastone bullets to fodder won't do any good.
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I hate the color schemes for most of the Fishman Island people.
Pastelly yellows are gross. Too many other pastels as well. Not enough vibrant colors.
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Lol, you guys are so quick to judge. I'm not saying that every single marine should have them, nor should they be mass produced. But they can't create enough for a sniper team for say, instances just like the War of the best?
Also, that list is ridiculously short. Luffy, Croc, Ace, Marco, Jozu, Alvida, Enel (assuming he was around), Kid, Hawkins, Mr. 1, Foxy (assuming seastone isn't slowed down), Kuma (presumably), Caribou. This is all assuming seastone can go through the effects that the DF powers create in certain cases, though I'm not sure.
Anyway, numbers don't matter. Just those FEW DF users at least mean we would've saw maybe one seastone bullet. Like I said, it's small, but I just want Oda to be asked about it is all.
Not entirely sure what I'm "Judging" but yeah, whatevz
Also Ace is dead (SPOILER ALERT), I have doubts that Marco, Jozu, and Foxy can't nuliffy the seastone's effects, and Enel is not coming back any time soon, it was confirmed by Franky that Kuma is now completely obedient to the government, on top of having a steel body which seastone will do nothing to.
But all that is irrelevant you're right. The reason Oda has yet to introduce them is because they would have next to no impact on the plot. Luffy has been stabbed clear through the stomach with a hook, if a seastone bullet were to go through him he would probably say "Oh, they have seastone bullets" then brush it off like it were a beesting.
Not to mention anyone who would REQUIRE seastone bullets to kill is a bigshot, IF Crocodile, Kizaru, Akainu, Kidd etc. were to die, it's sure as hell not going to be from nameless marine #7291 with a seastone bullet, And any important gunman in the new world uses haki, so it's not like they need seastone bullets to contend with DF users. A seastone bullet is a completely useless addition to the One Piece universe, it would be a waste of time to add them.
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I hate the color schemes for most of the Fishman Island people.
Pastelly yellows are gross. Too many other pastels as well. Not enough vibrant colors.
They look fine to me. Can you give some particular examples that you don't like?
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They look fine to me. Can you give some particular examples that you don't like?
Fukaboshi and one of his brothers both have that gross pastelly yellow skin color, and their hair doesn't look right with it.
Hody's light gray skin + pink hat is pretty weak.
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That Kizaru didn't have an attack shaped like a monkey.Not that I care,but it kinda ruins the Admirals theme.And Akainu and Aojiki both have attacks shaped like their animals…..Yeah,I know that a game has Kizaru kicking a monkey-shaped light beam...but that's not cannon
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Fukaboshi and one of his brothers both have that gross pastelly yellow skin color, and their hair doesn't look right with it.
Fukaboshi doesn't have pastelly yellow skin. Only Ryuboshi has it.
Also, it doesn't really make sense to say you hate most of the fishmen/merfolk color schemes, when you've only named two or three characters.
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Fukaboshi doesn't have pastelly yellow skin. Only Ryuboshi has it.
My mistake, but I still don't the hair.
Also, it doesn't really make sense to say you hate most of the fishmen/merfolk color schemes, when you've only named two or three characters.
Because I don't feel like making a big masterlist of each and every fishman/mermaid with a color scheme I don't like.
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Because I don't feel like making a big masterlist of each and every fishman/mermaid with a color scheme I don't like.
Yeah, that's understandable.
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Wait, why does Fukaboshi have gills if he's a _Mer_man?
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I'm pretty sure the Mermaids lacked that feature.
Eh, guess I'll chalk it up to the apparent ''mermaids are humanlike while mermen are fishlike'' double standard.
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@Baou:
so he can breathe underwater
Then why don't Neptune and Camie have any gills?
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Then why don't Neptune and Camie have any gills?
They are there you just cant see them :ninja:.
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Disappointing: the disappearance of WB's nurses
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Doesn't help that Neptune has a massive beard that conceals most of his face.