I just realised maybe luffy wound on his chest was caused by akainu during 'war of the best'
Actually, it IS confirmed that Luffy's scar is from Akainu.
I just realised maybe luffy wound on his chest was caused by akainu during 'war of the best'
Actually, it IS confirmed that Luffy's scar is from Akainu.
I was been sarcastic don't worry. Clue is is in the smilie. :P
I only found Wapol mildly annoying tbh. He's deffo not the worst.
Wapol is awesome, he has some of the GREATEST expressions in the whole manga.
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Plus, his ability is awesome. Somehow. And fucked up. I love that guy. Also, he was annoying enough as a villain to give me a real satisfaction when Luffy punched him in the face and sent him flying. THAT is good storywriting, dear fellows. THAT's what makes him awesome.
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I'm a little disappointed that Luffy's bounty only rose to 400,000,00 even after he's fought against ALL of the three great powers. And I know that that makes him the most wanted pirate in the world, BUT STILL, pretty low for all of the Navy-PWNing Luffy has done recently.
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Thanks for the nightmare fuel.
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I'm a little disappointed that Luffy's bounty only rose to 400,000,00 even after he's fought against ALL of the three great powers. And I know that that makes him the most wanted pirate in the world, BUT STILL, pretty low for all of the Navy-PWNing Luffy has done recently.
It's not like Luffy destroyed Enies Lobby, Impel Down, or Marineford.
At Impel Down, he went in, defeated a plethora of guards, and caused a prison break.
At Marineford, he barely did anything, minus freeing Ace and KOing one giant.
Luffy hasn't done anything extremely drastic yet that would verify him getting a higher bounty.
I understand guys being disappointed on Luffy's current bounty. A tenryubito is even willing to pay more to a mermaid slave.
Most disappointing thing? That Caribou hasn't received his proper ass kicking yet being the fodder that he is. I'd be so piss if Eiichiro invents some kind of weird ass reason to make him the crew's logia type.
I'm a little disappointed that Luffy's bounty only rose to 400,000,00 even after he's fought against ALL of the three great powers. And I know that that makes him the most wanted pirate in the world, BUT STILL, pretty low for all of the Navy-PWNing Luffy has done recently.
If I'm not mistaken, the higher a bounty gets, the harder it becomes to raise it. I'm pretty sure this or something similar was mentioned somewhere in the Manga, but I don't remember where…
I don't know if it was mentioned, but it is fairly logical.
Also, when the number gets bigger, they won't keep adding smaller amounts to it.
You're basically guaranteed that it will only raise by at least 100-Mil at a minimum now.
Also, remember that he was technically defeated by Kizaru, Magellan and every admiral + Mihawk.
I'm surprised Jinbe's bounty is so high though - probably Oda trying to mess with fans.
If I'm not mistaken, the higher a bounty gets, the harder it becomes to raise it. I'm pretty sure this or something similar was mentioned somewhere in the Manga, but I don't remember where…
Yeah, it was mentioned and very recently by Jimbei in reaction with Luffy getting +100M bounty. Of course, this was before we knew that his was higer. Jimbei is such a d!ck sometimes.
He didn't fight any of the Yonkou.
I'm a little disappointed that Luffy's bounty only rose to 400,000,00 even after he's fought against ALL of the three great powers. And I know that that makes him the most wanted pirate in the world, BUT STILL, pretty low for all of the Navy-PWNing Luffy has done recently.
We don't know that he's the most wanted pirate in the world, we only know that his bounty is the highest seen so far. I would assume that Shanks' is higher, and that Whitebeard's was too.
@Jet:
Most disappointing thing? That Caribou hasn't received his proper ass kicking yet being the fodder that he is. I'd be so piss if Eiichiro invents some kind of weird ass reason to make him the crew's logia type.
Are you really worrying about the chance of the guy who stabs and buries Marines alive joining the crew?
I definitely like the fact that the villains often don't die. The thing that makes One Piece better than many other popular long-running shounen animes (respectfully) is that instead of killing off all of the minor villains to just say "See, I do kill people." but leaving all of the good-guys alive, he pretty much keeps everyone alive unless their death advances or plays a part in the storyline in some way.
Best of all, when someone finally did die for sure, it was someone that I'd say very few fans disliked, and a whole lot of fans loved. It was made very dramatic and due to the fact that no major characters had ever had 100% confirmed deaths before, the surprise was all the more real. Now, that's not my most highly recommended method for surprising readers, but it worked. And not long after, perhaps even more surprising, he offed a character that many fans probably didn't have a strong opinion on until that arc, but proved in the short screen time he had that he was a respectable and exceptional man.
I'd say a lot of it is simply build-up, a method of keeping people on their toes, and that's something that, in my opinion, Oda does better than Kubo and Kishimoto combined.
Oda seems to have a hell of a lot of care and respect for even his most minor characters, and that's one of the things I most admire about this storyline. He doesn't carelessly kill anyone, which gives them a chance to come back later. In my opinion, character deaths are something that should happen after careful consideration, and only then, whether it is a villain or a protagonist. Deleting a character is a huge step to take when creating a story, and should never be taken lightly. There are hundreds of ways to bring back characters that are still alive that may have not yet come to mind, and if you kill them off, that's the end.
The only character that I think should have died based on his injuries was Pell. He wasn't all that strong– he certainly wasn't even half as invincible as Zoro or Wiper, or Luffy, but somehow he survived and explosion that would have destroyed buildings and killed people over a five mile radius when he had it clutched in his claws? I think keeping Pell alive was the right decision in general, because he was an interesting character that could bring more to the table if Arabasta and Vivi are ever brought back into play, but I don't think his having survived something like that was very plausible. Maybe I could believe it if he'd flown up high enough, and then dropped the bomb to try and get away in time as it fell, but that would have been stupid on his part. After all, the timer could have been faulty and it could have stalled only to go off when it hit the ground in the middle of the plaza.
All in all I'm glad even the villains I really hated are still alive, particularly Akainu, who Oda had many believable chances to kill but chose not to. At the time I was hysterical, begging for that asshole to just DIE already, but now I'm glad he's still around to hate and cause more havoc.
I really hope Shura's dead, if he survived he would be just another Pell case.
I hate the way luffy looks now. That's about it.
I hate the way luffy looks now. That's about it.
His hair is longer and he's taller. That's about it.
(Yes, I'm sure you're referring to the scar that Akainu gave him on his chest. It's symbolic, and necessary. Ace was killed by the same method and Luffy survived it. The scar is important to Luffy.)
@Fire Fist:
His hair is longer and he's taller. That's about it.
(Yes, I'm sure you're referring to the scar that Akainu gave him on his chest. It's symbolic, and necessary. Ace was killed by the same method and Luffy survived it. The scar is important to Luffy.)
+1
He may also be referring to Luffy's new top, the open shirt instead of the vest he always wore. I guess this was a choice made to show the scar. Either way, it looks pretty darn cool.
I like his sash, it provides a good visual billowing out behind him, like towards the end of ''We Go!'' at the end of the straw hat passage montage. I will forever call his cardigan a lady's nightshirt, though.
People keep saying his hair's a little longer, but I don't really see it. Occasionally in the anime maybe, though that can be chalked up to the animator's own art style, but I don't really see it in the manga.
@Fire Fist:
His hair is longer and he's taller. That's about it.
I don't really see any significant change in his hair or height. He's more "built". That's the most obvious change aside from his new clothes. And if Ryuksgelus' theory comes true regarding part 2, then we may see more changes with Luffy in the future.
@Fire Fist:
His hair is longer and he's taller. That's about it.
(Yes, I'm sure you're referring to the scar that Akainu gave him on his chest. It's symbolic, and necessary. Ace was killed by the same method and Luffy survived it. The scar is important to Luffy.)
He's still the same height as a little kid. I think it was just the scene with Hancock that was from a fucked-up perspective.
Concerning Pell's death: While it for me is the one stupid moment of the series (and fortunately, that says quite a lot about One Piece), what made it even more stupid is something I actually first thought about when rereading the Alabasta arc recently: Shortly before Mr. 7 and Miss Father's Day are introduced, Miss Father's Day shoots Pell with her gun. Pell spits blood, his eyes whiten and he falls down to the ground. When Pell later appears to take the bomb with him, he is quite injured by the gun shot. To me, it's not the fact that the bomb was supposed to destroy most of Alubarna that was unbearable - it was the fact that Pell is severely injured by a gun, but apparently can take a bomb (which in itself should have more destructive power than a bullet) many times his size with no problem. If just the gun scene had been left out, Pell's death would have been no worse than Dorry, Dalton, Pagaya etc.
I think Zoro has taken a lot more than Pell and survived.
We don't know that he's the most wanted pirate in the world, we only know that his bounty is the highest seen so far. I would assume that Shanks' is higher, and that Whitebeard's was too.
Well, so would I, but I think I've sort of convinced myself that the Navy only puts bounties on rookies. Otherwise, wouldn't all of the four emperors also be supernovas?
We don't know that he's the most wanted pirate in the world, we only know that his bounty is the highest seen so far. I would assume that Shanks' is higher, and that Whitebeard's was too.
Well, so would I, but I think I've sort of convinced myself that the Navy only puts bounties on rookies. Otherwise, wouldn't all of the four emperors also be supernovas?
No they are emperors, that is their title. Bigger pirates in the new world that are bellow the emperors probably are regarded as something different entirely. No way anyone calls Jinbe or Crocodile a Supernova, assuming Croc is wanted from anywhere from 160 million to something around Jinbe's bounty or above.
No they are emperors, that is their title. Bigger pirates in the new world that are bellow the emperors probably are regarded as something different entirely. No way anyone calls Jinbe or Crocodile a Supernova, assuming Croc is wanted from anywhere from 160 million to something around Jinbe's bounty or above.
Supernovas are rookies with bounties of over 100 million Berries. Crocodile's bounty is under 100 millions (unless it has been increased after the timeskip), and both of them are veterans.
He's still the same height as a little kid. I think it was just the scene with Hancock that was from a fucked-up perspective.
Concerning Pell's death: While it for me is the one stupid moment of the series (and fortunately, that says quite a lot about One Piece), what made it even more stupid is something I actually first thought about when rereading the Alabasta arc recently: Shortly before Mr. 7 and Miss Father's Day are introduced, Miss Father's Day shoots Pell with her gun. Pell spits blood, his eyes whiten and he falls down to the ground. When Pell later appears to take the bomb with him, he is quite injured by the gun shot. To me, it's not the fact that the bomb was supposed to destroy most of Alubarna that was unbearable - it was the fact that Pell is severely injured by a gun, but apparently can take a bomb (which in itself should have more destructive power than a bullet) many times his size with no problem. If just the gun scene had been left out, Pell's death would have been no worse than Dorry, Dalton, Pagaya etc.
The thing is, they could have even handwaved it too. They could have had Pell mentioning "I wouldn't have lived if I didn't throw it up at the last minute" or something. Instead we have him taking the blast directly, along with that gunshot you mentioned.
Honestly, aside from the logistical issues (Pell would have to have a thrust comparable to the Saturn V rocket to get high enough so that the explosion was out of range of city in the few seconds he had), what really bugs me about Pell's ''death'' was the way it was written. It had all the hallmarks of a great, heroic One Piece death. He was sacrificing himself for the sake of his loved ones, was shown to have no regrets in doing it, and just the way that farewell scene to Vivi was constructed with that flashback and symbolism, and everything… Why, Oda, why? Why retroactively ruin what was one of the more moving scenes in the series?
Plus it showed that falcon statue cracking.
Why, Oda, why? Why retroactively ruin what was one of the more moving scenes in the series?
I'd say at this point in the story Oda decided that…
So made it that Pell escaped his fate, to make it more shocking that Ace did not.
Yeah, a lot of fans got caught off-guard by Ace's death.
Plus when you can survive that bomb while you`re right next to it…what shitty bomb has Crocodile bought there?
We know that Oda just wants to let people die when it achieves great emotions by his readers and a huge impact on the story, but in that scene he totally nailed it and dropped it non the less.
I was wondering if he thought already of Ace`s death while writing those chapters and by that thought it would prove that people die in OP..so it would be less shocking when Ace dies for us readers,too.
But we also had those warrior-squat who died minutes before that for the same reason, so it was kind of useless to let Pell survive.
I wonder how much of an "impact" Ace's death would have if Oda killed people earlier in the story, and if that's a good thing.
I really don't think the fate of Pell or anybody else in the story earlier would have made a big impact on Ace's death and just kinda trivializes danger in the story (personally)
But a lot of people seem to bring up how much more meaning Ace's death has since nobody "important" died, so I'm just wondering how much emotion comes from Luffy losing his brother and Whitebeard losing a fellow pirate even after going through the War/Impel Down etc instead of say, "nobody died but Ace did WT…".
I honestly don't think Pell, or any other minor shlubb that Oda saved (like the guy who bit off his tongue to commit suicide) dying would have lessened the impact of Ace's death. A minor member of the supporting cast or a background character dying isn't comparable to the death of what is practically the only family (putting aside your views on the Straw Hats for the moment) there is to the main character.
No talking about advanced news of chapters outside the specific thread set aside for it, thanks.
Well, so would I, but I think I've sort of convinced myself that the Navy only puts bounties on rookies. Otherwise, wouldn't all of the four emperors also be supernovas?
Well, we have no reason to assume that currently. "The Eleven Supernovas" seems to just be a moniker used to describe that specific group of 100mil+ rookies who were all coming through Sabaody at the same time; Caribou and Coribou have 210mil and 190mil and they don't call them Supernovas.
Well, we have no reason to assume that currently. "The Eleven Supernovas" seems to just be a moniker used to describe that specific group of 100mil+ rookies who were all coming through Sabaody at the same time; Caribou and Coribou have 210mil and 190mil and they don't call them Supernovas.
They are, though. But, since they are from different generations, aren't grouped in with the generation we know.
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They are, though. But, since they are from different generations, aren't grouped in with the generation we know.
What?
We've never heard "Supernova" as a descriptor beyond those eleven, and there have been plenty of pirates with bounties over 100mil other than them. It's just a circumstantial phrase that was used to describe that up-and-coming generation of pirates.
What?
We've never heard "Supernova" as a descriptor beyond those eleven, and there have been plenty of pirates with bounties over 100mil other than them. It's just a circumstantial phrase that was used to describe that up-and-coming generation of pirates.
We've heard Super Rookie, which is close enough.
I am curious though, some random schlub at the start of the Time Skip said there was more of them, wonder if they are still at Shabondy?
Czechmate is correct. Supernova is not an organization the way Shichibukai is, it's just a name given to those 11 pirates.
Slightly off-topic, but I didn't know where to post this:
@http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php/2010/08/13/takehiko-inoue-aamp-eiichiro-oda-part-3-of-6:
Oda: I don't know, but I just can't help but draw a lot. The weekly format is set at 19 pages, but from the creator perspective I want to move the story along faster. I end up jamming as much as I can in there. There is also wanting to finish faster so I can relax.
Reminded me of the complaints about the pacing of the current arc.
@S.C.:
We've heard Super Rookie, which is close enough.
I am curious though, some random schlub at the start of the Time Skip said there was more of them, wonder if they are still at Shabondy?
It's really not the same, though.
They're all rookies, but nobody has ever referred to Caribou and Coribou as "Supernovas". So no, all the Supernovas are in the New World right now.
It's really not the same, though.
They're all rookies, but nobody has ever referred to Caribou and Coribou as "Supernovas". So no, all the Supernovas are in the New World right now.
A name is a name. The basic idea of rooke pirates getting high bounties and making it to Shabondy so quickly is the basic idea of why they got the moniker. If you yourself don't want to call the Brothers that, fine, but it's still the same concept.
@S.C.:
A name is a name. The basic idea of rooke pirates getting high bounties and making it to Shabondy so quickly is the basic idea of why they got the moniker. If you yourself don't want to call the Brothers that, fine, but it's still the same concept.
All I'm saying is that Supernovas and Rookies don't refer to the exact same group. The Eleven Supernovas are a specific set of particularly prominent rookies.
We don't know that he's the most wanted pirate in the world, we only know that his bounty is the highest seen so far. I would assume that Shanks' is higher, and that Whitebeard's was too.
Are you really worrying about the chance of the guy who stabs and buries Marines alive joining the crew?
I don't wanna think that by some misunderstanding, the world thinks he IS part of them. Hell, I still think that after the whole SH+Jinbei vs NFP is over, he'll try to kidnap after the SH leave. I just want him roflstomped like the fodder that he is.
@Lazy:
I think Zoro has taken a lot more than Pell and survived.
Zoro is also a lot more resilient than any normal human being – it's been mentioned multiple times in the series and built up well so that you'll hear it more than once -- that Zoro can probably survive things that would kill any normal person multiple times over again. It was especially stressed for the first time when he was cut by Mihawk. One might say that's true for all of the Straw Hats, but it's really not. Luffy can survive a lot of hits simply because he's rubber... all though, he is indefinitely also super human in his withstanding to injuries, without his rubber body I don't think it'd be half as much as Zoro is. Sanji seems a little more durable than the norm, but not nearly as much as Luffy or Zoro. Zoro was fighting Kuma at the end of Thriller Bark and Sanji could barely stand-- and let's not forget who generally has the strongest pair of legs!
Franky of course, being part machine is pretty near invincible as well, but that's just as believable. But the others seem averagely fragile, things that happened to Usopp and nearly kill him probably aren't half as bad as those that happen to Zoro while he can still walk on his own perfectly fine. I think all of the Strawhats are a little superhuman to some extent, of course, as well as just about every One Piece villain. But that's one of the things that makes it interesting to me.
[[QUOTE=Lepidottero;2425892]Zoro is also a lot more resilient than any normal human being – it's been mentioned multiple times in the series and built up well so that you'll hear it more than once -- that Zoro can probably survive things that would kill any normal person multiple times over again. It was especially stressed for the first time when he was cut by Mihawk. One might say that's true for all of the Straw Hats, but it's really not. Luffy can survive a lot of hits simply because he's rubber... all though, he is indefinitely also super human in his withstanding to injuries, without his rubber body I don't think it'd be half as much as Zoro is. Sanji seems a little more durable than the norm, but not nearly as much as Luffy or Zoro. Zoro was fighting Kuma at the end of Thriller Bark and Sanji could barely stand-- and let's not forget who generally has the strongest pair of legs!
Is Pell a normal human being. Maeby he is the most durable man in the world. A Zoan He took a very good beating by Robin and flew to another city carrying luffy. Chaka his best friend didnt believe that bomb was strong enough to kill him.
But why making him survive. Easy: It was too early to explain what happens to fruits when their users die. Falcon and a bull is alabastas animals and it made me to believe that alabasta has some way to harvest the fruits or make them reappear. We are seeing alabasta again now, thus he would have needed to show to some extent what happened to the fruit. Too early.
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Is Pell a normal human being. Maeby he is the most durable man in the world. A Zoan He took a very good beating by Robin and flew to another city carrying luffy. Chaka his best friend didnt believe that bomb was strong enough to kill him.
But why making him survive. Easy: It was too early to explain what happens to fruits when their users die. Falcon and a bull is alabastas animals and it made me to believe that alabasta has some way to harvest the fruits or make them reappear. We are seeing alabasta again now, thus he would have needed to show to some extent what happened to the fruit. Too early.
While I highly doubt the first sentence, as something like super human strength toward injury feels like it should be built up more indefinitely than it was for Pell. I mean, that sort of thing should be reserved for people much further along the grand line, and the main characters. It's kind of a big deal and you can't just hand it out to everyone. As someone else said, he seemed extremely put out by just a bullet wound, and while he did take that beating from Robin, he was beaten fast and couldn't stand up to here for very long. But the rest is definitely understandable and explains a lot. Honestly I'm ashamed I didn't think about it myself. Though I would understand Oda having decided that Pell is strong enough to withstand that sort of thing just because he needed to keep him alive.
Of course, just because it was so early in the series, doesn't mean he couldn't kill Pell now and wait for Arabasta to come back into play majorly before explaining that in full. I don't expect it to come back any time soon, since it certainly doesn't exist in the New World, so there's still plenty of time to keep that secret. While I do see the point, I don't think it was enough reason to keep Pell alive after taking such a blow.
And someone else mentioned the fact that Pell's sacrifice wasn't as dramatic because he didn't die. While I agree that's true cinematically, I dislike that way of thinking. One of One Piece's main points (very prominently shown in the Arlong Arc, and even Water 7) is that being alive is precious and no matter what happens, you should keep living and eventually things will turn for the better. I don't think killing off a character for a more dramatic response to a sacrifice is very like Oda based on everything else in the series. I like how much Oda values the life of a character, as opposed to the death of one.
Supernovas are rookies with bounties of over 100 million Berries. Crocodile's bounty is under 100 millions (unless it has been increased after the timeskip), and both of them are veterans.
Remember in an SBS Oda said that Croc's bounty would have been doubled if the WG knew what he was up to with the ancient weapon. Now that he is free his bounty is certainly doubled, though I think at the very least it has tripled after the war.
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Is Pell a normal human being. Maeby he is the most durable man in the world. A Zoan He took a very good beating by Robin and flew to another city carrying luffy. Chaka his best friend didnt believe that bomb was strong enough to kill him.
You didn't read my post, I see. Shortly before his heroic sacrifice, he was maimed by a freakin' gunshot. That alone destroys all evidence that he should be able to survive a city-destroying bomb. And when did Chaka say that (I may have forgotten something here, or else the failish Danish translation just didn't mention it)?
You didn't read my post, I see. Shortly before his heroic sacrifice, he was maimed by a freakin' gunshot. That alone destroys all evidence that he should be able to survive a city-destroying bomb. And when did Chaka say that (I may have forgotten something here, or else the failish Danish translation just didn't mention it)?
I think he/she's just talking about at the end of the arc as the Straw Hats were leaving, Chaka is standing at Pell's grave and smiles, basically saying that he doesn't believe Pell is dead. Honestly it was so close to when he was revealed to still be alive that I can't really believe that it was foreshadowing based on characterization. More likely something Oda just through out there to make the fact that Pell was still alive more believable.
I think he/she's just talking about at the end of the arc as the Straw Hats were leaving, Chaka is standing at Pell's grave and smiles, basically saying that he doesn't believe Pell is dead. Honestly it was so close to when he was revealed to still be alive that I can't really believe that it was foreshadowing based on characterization. More likely something Oda just through out there to make the fact that Pell was still alive more believable.
Though, didn't he also say "I can't even cry"? Maybe I'm weird, but I took the scene as if Pell suddenly dying felt surrealistic to him, or he was in denial about it (I suppose several of us have tried losing a dear one and not being able to believe it or shed tears because it just feels too strange that the person is gone), not like "Pell is the Whitebeard of Alabasta, and a bomb would never fucking kill him - take that, you Crocodile bastard".