Lots going on, I'm happy about that. Today is very interesting because my opinions have changed so much based on the day so far. First of all there was Wooden's death, someone I rather suspected. Thanks for offing him, mafia :) And now, funnily enough, Gerri seems to be one of the only ones making sense at the moment. Not that he's automatically town for me, but still.
I guess first I'll answer Gerri's question about Bogart's big three. The truth is, out of those three my main suspicion right now is probably TMWNN. I said since long ago that he started acting weird/suspicious after being off to a good start, he also hypo'd Nectar and eventually disappeared. Looking at hypo cop votes, I believe he's like the only player here who NOBODY has inno'd. While you could say okay, the maf might want to fake clear their own, or okay, nobody is going to drop an inno on someone they suspect, it's still odd. And between him and Waffles, Waffles is the one who has been shaping up now.
As for Gerri/Elisabeth, I'm somewhere in the middle. Gerri you were starting to bug me with your gameplay yesterday, which I still disagree with, but you are making the most sense to me right now. Elisabeth has still refused to say much, and it's getting to a point in the game when there should be things to say. And I don't quite get the hinting that revealing suspicions would be bad right now, and the general vagueness.
Now back to Shuhan for a minute. I'm sad that the Fox had to throw that cop thing into the mix before I got a reaction from Shuhan, because once I did he didn't have anything to say other than that it's a laughable theory. But I understand. Kitsu has to protect the fairness of the game, and there IS a chance that they discussed who is cop in the graveyard. But it's still just a chance, and the problem is, that doesn't justify copping Kina. Why would you go after the new player, the inactive player, whose being mafia MIGHT fit in, instead of say, someone you suspect or at least a lurker who has been around to participate? You don't seem to lack suspects. It's too bad you didn't go for say, Koh. Or hmm, Gerri? No :D an inno on Gerri would make it so you can't attack him, and a guilty on him would attract attention and suspicion if you tried to use it for your case. So you go with the most useless person instead.
The awesome thing is even with your lurking explanation – which, BTW, you aren't being attacked for "being honest," it's for probably lying, and if you are telling the truth then you did something stupid -- but even with that explanation, that doesn't explain why you hammered. Care to share? You so kindly explained that it was not absence due to personal reasons. So I won't buy an excuse like "I wasn't going to have time to put down my vote anywhere in the next TWELVE HOURS."
Harvady, dunno what to say to you buddy, your logic is coming off as extremely weak. I can't believe you only called Shuhan "flaky" when he also hammered.
@Harvady:
If someone hammers without good reason, it'll be because they're mafia.
So, why are you ignoring this now? Are you saying he had good reason? We definitely still wanted people to talk and we definitely still had time. Also, your analysis of the mafia's possible intentions is uncharacteristically poor, in my opinion. I see two real choices for them. Hunt for the cop, or kill dangerous/active players. Killing a rather inactive player who is also rather suspicious (a couple of us were wary of him, as was Gunkan), rather than one of these other two choices, would be a terrible play. Trying to clear one of their own's name by killing someone like that, then hoping people will deduce based on the inno that they were looking for cop and thus stop suspecting that player, is already somewhat of a stretch. But more importantly, it is a short-lived, weak benefit for them, because the cop will continue to receive and report REAL innocents or guilties, which can destroy and amount of misleading achieved in a hurry.
Also, how do you know what the odds are of finding a cop? We don't know how many people have given incorrect reports, unless you think you know for sure who the trio is and that's the only way you're measuring probability. Either way if the odds were so low, better to go with someone active and at least one of the more townie-seeming players. For this reason, going after Wooden for any reason other than cop hunting seems insane to me. I'm not saying it's definitely the case, nor am I saying that Xas has been acting great. But hey, someone out there is still the cop. And whoever it is is obviously doing a good job of not getting caught. My guess is they're looking for low-key people, and that makes sense too because if you were a cop then being very aggressive could put an end to you quickly.
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Wait, Harvady, do you honestly see a scenario where keeping the cop around is better than killing him? How? How is buying time going to ever help against an accumulating list of hard evidence? If the cop is left alone for too long, there will come a point -- and that point may be quite soon -- where the cop would just reveal anyway, because there is enough evidence to basically seal the game. Also by your same logic, using the claim on Xas to attempt to clear him, if mafia, would be super risky precisely because it would be analyzed as soon as we had more information.