awesome chapter…can't wait for the next one!!
i really want to see how amazing it will be in the anime
Chapter 633: Friend or Foe
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I think all the fights between SHs and NFPs can be filled into a single chapter. Give Hody and Hyozou a 2 page because of the build-ups. Others gets one. So here we are.
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Dear Aohige-san, why do you have to question my knowledge of bookstores that retail early Jump magazines? You think Minarai's been stealing drafts from Oda?
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Pretty cool chapter.
I loved the parts where Luffy smashed Hodi, the Sunny crashed into battle, and the Straw Hats lined up to fight.
Things are gonna go down.
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I just dont get it, how 99% of the fanbase celebrate this chapter, just because the fights are starting. I skipped through all the comments, because the first part with shirahoshi was so incredible bad and it was barely mentioned anywhere here. But I think it is in line with how many people were whining (or for a better word: complaining) that the flashback was too long and uninteresting or how the villains got a bit fleshed out in the last chapters and we doesnt just jump right to the fighting. Yeah, the fighting is good on its own, but what makes OP so unique is its storytelling and in this regard, the shirahoshi part was a new low point.
So she knew that Hodi was a racist murderer and did nothing, because, someone could hate him? I mean, what??? In her world we should just leave all the poor criminals alone and let possible mass murderers run free? How evil to jail someone like the killer in the norway massaker, because I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Norway really hate him now. And people like jinbei are even admiring her for her attitude? The same guy, who just moments ago admitted that it was a terrible mistake to release Arlong in the East Blue? If the SH didnt intervene and Hody killed the royal familie and a lot of other fishman too and installed himself as tyrant over FI with horrifiying consequences, would Jinbei remain to be proud of Shirahoshi?
I'm sorry if I offended someone, but come on, this is a level of stupidity, that is very uncommon in OP and if this had happend in other mangas like naruto or bleach everyone would be calling it out as BS. Instead we have endless comments of "Who cares that it does not make sense, because yeah, the fighting is starting!"
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Great chapter… now It will probably go this way... the new fishman pirate will get beaten pretty easily and then they are going to eat some of their pills and will be able to put up a fight against the straw hat... but as far as luffy goes I really wonder if someone can be a match for him in the NFP.. it looked like he could handle Hodi pretty easily
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Great chapter… now It will probably go this way... the new fishman pirate will get beaten pretty easily and then they are going to eat some of their pills and will be able to put up a fight against the straw hat... but as far as luffy goes I really wonder if someone can be a match for him in the NFP.. it looked like he could handle Hodi pretty easily
The NFP have a chance only if all the officers fight agaisnt Luffy alone, but even then, it's a slim chance.
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I just dont get it, how 99% of the fanbase celebrate this chapter, just because the fights are starting. I skipped through all the comments, because the first part with shirahoshi was so incredible bad and it was barely mentioned anywhere here. But I think it is in line with how many people were whining (or for a better word: complaining) that the flashback was too long and uninteresting or how the villains got a bit fleshed out in the last chapters and we doesnt just jump right to the fighting. Yeah, the fighting is good on its own, but what makes OP so unique is its storytelling and in this regard, the shirahoshi part was a new low point.
So she knew that Hodi was a racist murderer and did nothing, because, someone could hate him? I mean, what??? In her world we should just leave all the poor criminals alone and let possible mass murderers run free? How evil to jail someone like the killer in the norway massaker, because I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Norway really hate him now. And people like jinbei are even admiring her for her attitude? The same guy, who just moments ago admitted that it was a terrible mistake to release Arlong in the East Blue? If the SH didnt intervene and Hody killed the royal familie and a lot of other fishman too and installed himself as tyrant over FI with horrifiying consequences, would Jinbei remain to be proud of Shirahoshi?
I'm sorry if I offended someone, but come on, this is a level of stupidity, that is very uncommon in OP and if this had happend in other mangas like naruto or bleach everyone would be calling it out as BS. Instead we have endless comments of "Who cares that it does not make sense, because yeah, the fighting is starting!"
I won't digress that it was pretty stupid thing to do, but the whole situation can be understood in a many different ways.
First of all: Otohime forgave her killer. She didn't want to see him punished for his actions whoever he is. that alone should award him pardon.
Secondly: I'm not sure how much reliable Megalo testimony is/was. being a part of the royal family (who are known to be sympathetic to humans) his testimony could have been considered a false accusation to protect the humans from the wrath of angry fishmen.
Third: May be she wasn't concerned about how will it turn up for hodi as much as how it will turn up for the rest of fishmen district residents. May be the people of the island would have held a grudge against them for what hodi did and she didn't want that to happen.
All in all, as much as what she did IS/WAS stupid, it's not waaay out of character for her, nor is it mind blowing-ly stupid to take away from the chapter positives, so I enjoyed the chapter nonetheless.
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I just dont get it, how 99% of the fanbase celebrate this chapter, just because the fights are starting. I skipped through all the comments, because the first part with shirahoshi was so incredible bad and it was barely mentioned anywhere here. But I think it is in line with how many people were whining (or for a better word: complaining) that the flashback was too long and uninteresting or how the villains got a bit fleshed out in the last chapters and we doesnt just jump right to the fighting. Yeah, the fighting is good on its own, but what makes OP so unique is its storytelling and in this regard, the shirahoshi part was a new low point.
So she knew that Hodi was a racist murderer and did nothing, because, someone could hate him? I mean, what??? In her world we should just leave all the poor criminals alone and let possible mass murderers run free? How evil to jail someone like the killer in the norway massaker, because I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Norway really hate him now. And people like jinbei are even admiring her for her attitude? The same guy, who just moments ago admitted that it was a terrible mistake to release Arlong in the East Blue? If the SH didnt intervene and Hody killed the royal familie and a lot of other fishman too and installed himself as tyrant over FI with horrifiying consequences, would Jinbei remain to be proud of Shirahoshi?
I'm sorry if I offended someone, but come on, this is a level of stupidity, that is very uncommon in OP and if this had happend in other mangas like naruto or bleach everyone would be calling it out as BS. Instead we have endless comments of "Who cares that it does not make sense, because yeah, the fighting is starting!"
Only her mother's killer. To honour the promise.Simple. Several posts complained about the first part of the chapter/how stupid Shiraoshi is for being unable to make the difference between reporting Hody for his crime and not hating him. But Oda got us all with the last spread which is why more attention is given to it and many are welcoming the fights to get this (so far disappointing (for me)) arc over with (Unless this is only the begining of things).
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If, when, Hordy gets owend badly…well, would that really give us any answers as to how strong the SHs are at this point?
Well, we'll know that they're stronger than a fishman crew drugged with energy steroids. Not that different from knowing that they're stronger than X or Y pirate crew.
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So she knew that Hodi was a racist murderer and did nothing, because, someone could hate him? I mean, what??? In her world we should just leave all the poor criminals alone and let possible mass murderers run free? How evil to jail someone like the killer in the norway massaker, because I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Norway really hate him now. And people like jinbei are even admiring her for her attitude? The same guy, who just moments ago admitted that it was a terrible mistake to release Arlong in the East Blue? If the SH didnt intervene and Hody killed the royal familie and a lot of other fishman too and installed himself as tyrant over FI with horrifiying consequences, would Jinbei remain to be proud of Shirahoshi?
I'm sorry if I offended someone, but come on, this is a level of stupidity, that is very uncommon in OP and if this had happend in other mangas like naruto or bleach everyone would be calling it out as BS. Instead we have endless comments of "Who cares that it does not make sense, because yeah, the fighting is starting!"
She was only 6 years old when her mother died, and she told her not to hate her killer (likely she felt that the others could not forgive Hody as requested by Otohime, so she didn´t say a thing). Then she spent the next 10 years in a tower, so she probably know nothing about Hody and his ideals.
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Great chapter… now It will probably go this way... the new fishman pirate will get beaten pretty easily and then they are going to eat some of their pills and will be able to put up a fight against the straw hat... but as far as luffy goes I really wonder if someone can be a match for him in the NFP.. it looked like he could handle Hodi pretty easily
Come on, it was a surprise attack. I think it'll be pretty tough. Not as tough as beating Lucci or Croc back then, but hey, don't forget Dekken, Noah and Caribou.
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Come on, it was a surprise attack. I think it'll be pretty tough. Not as tough as beating Lucci or Croc back then, but hey, don't forget Dekken, Noah and Caribou.
Exactly this. I believe that the handicap for FI if any will be a nonstop entry of foes after foes. Lets say first hody and gang then VDD and CO, followed by Caribou and who knows if an envoy of BM appears so yep a neverending battle can also exhaust our dear mugiwaras.
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they are sounds like the red hair pirates.. they are now certified bad ass men.. :D
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Loved the chap! sanji looks all boss with his hands in his pants lol, the double spread is more than you can get buffet of fangasms! Gotta say though, it took a while to get here, lol, but I'm sure Oda knows what he is doin!
btw, gotta ask, who is the pigeon in the avatars all throughout this thread? lol at pigeon luffy, pigeon enel and pigeon jinbe!
Fixed.
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It's entirely the wrong thread to ask and all, but it's Hattori. The pet pigeon on Rob Lucci's shoulder.
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Gotta ask, who is the pigeon in the avatars all throughout this thread? lol at pigeon luffy, pigeon enel and pigeon jinbe!
It's the pigeon of Lucci from CP9.
Also, i want to tell one thing to the people who complain about the decision that Shirahoshi made - just go and watch this film right now. Maybe then you'll can understand Shirahoshi's mother, because it's obvious to me, that character prototype for Otohime was Gandhi.
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It's entirely the wrong thread to ask and all, but it's Hattori. The pet pigeon on Rob Lucci's shoulder.
Thanks piratemarimo keep this in mind from now on. Found the thread and Fixed.
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I found Shirahosi's reasoning in not telling ANYONE the true killer is Hody to be stupid…I have to agree with Hody on this one. Sure they had no proof aside from an eyewitness whale...but if they at least knew it was hody, they could have kept an eye out for him. Possibly even prevented some of his plans.
Also, I just think Otohime saying not to hate the killer was kinda silly. Well, she probably thought the killer was also a human, that a fish person wouldn't stoop to that level, so that's why she wanted Shirahoshi to keep that promise. Where is the justice in letting a killer go loose? Forget the hate for a second...knowing the killer is out there would be pure torture for anyone.
The chapter was still pretty epic, predictable, but still very well done. Unlike some people, I expect Hody to come back and fight Luffy...I don't expect Hody to roll over that easily. He's popped enough pills, he can withstand lots of dmg.
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Oh yea because Shirahoshi looks uber nakama worthy in that spread a beast among men she is Wow she is totally gonna pwn when she fights along side the crew!:getlost:
Besides what does it matter to you anyway? you have been down playing any type of Jinbe development every time he gets alittle.
The spread means nothing. That's what you dumbasses are failing to comprehend. If it meant anything you'd have to account for everyone in it and your reasoning is a sarcastic response of looking "uber nakama worthy" as if Jinbe is.
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yes truly otohime was based of Gandhi.even Gandhi forgave the guy who killed him and prayed for him in his last words.
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@$;2334050']yes truly otohime was based of Gandhi.even Gandhi forgave the guy who killed him and prayed for him in his last words.
And that, without a head.
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he was shot in the chest,not in the head
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Dear Aohige-san, why do you have to question my knowledge of bookstores that retail early Jump magazines? You think Minarai's been stealing drafts from Oda?
What are you talking about, Minarai (Apprentice) hasn't posted a spoiler in over a year.
You BSed you read the manga two days before T and ohana, and provided nothing to prove it.Take this elsewhere, it's the wrong place. Did Robby deleting your post not give you a hint?
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I have to agree with Aohige. Sorry chihirou, I appreciate your translations and all, but nobody (smart) is going to believe a claim like that without some sort of proof to back it up. Try posting a spoiler thread next week. Without proof it's just noise.
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I just clocked when luffy told the citizens to decide for themselves
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71794722/17Thats similar to what whitebeard did
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I just dont get it, how 99% of the fanbase celebrate this chapter, just because the fights are starting. I skipped through all the comments, because the first part with shirahoshi was so incredible bad and it was barely mentioned anywhere here. But I think it is in line with how many people were whining (or for a better word: complaining) that the flashback was too long and uninteresting or how the villains got a bit fleshed out in the last chapters and we doesnt just jump right to the fighting. Yeah, the fighting is good on its own, but what makes OP so unique is its storytelling and in this regard, the shirahoshi part was a new low point.
So she knew that Hodi was a racist murderer and did nothing, because, someone could hate him? I mean, what??? In her world we should just leave all the poor criminals alone and let possible mass murderers run free? How evil to jail someone like the killer in the norway massaker, because I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Norway really hate him now. And people like jinbei are even admiring her for her attitude? The same guy, who just moments ago admitted that it was a terrible mistake to release Arlong in the East Blue? If the SH didnt intervene and Hody killed the royal familie and a lot of other fishman too and installed himself as tyrant over FI with horrifiying consequences, would Jinbei remain to be proud of Shirahoshi?
I'm sorry if I offended someone, but come on, this is a level of stupidity, that is very uncommon in OP and if this had happend in other mangas like naruto or bleach everyone would be calling it out as BS. Instead we have endless comments of "Who cares that it does not make sense, because yeah, the fighting is starting!"
Totally agree with you mate i brought this up earlier on in this thread Hody was correct in calling the princes stupid because it was stupid the truth didnt belong to her it belonged to the island so instead of the island hating hody they disliked the humans even more, also i notice this level of stupidity in naruto aswell. and as a said earlier if the people of the island knew that it wasn't a human that killed there queen they would be a good chance they would be living with the humans right about now.
If my sister or daughter secretly knew who killed my mum but didn't say anything even while i was interacting with the killer i would be pretty pissed. -
To be fair, Shirahoshi probably has no idea what is good or bad(having been locked away from the world for like 10 years), she just hung on the promise she made to her mother when she was 6. She's been specifically portrayed as a naive character.
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Poor Caribou, he's gonna get beaten by a crowd of fishmen in the end !
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Nobody answered?
Did Robin also clone the keys?
If that's true, financial problems for SH has disappeared
Hana Hana no Mi is a fuit so broken that Oda hadn't played with it. 'til now…. -
Nobody answered?
Did Robin also clone the keys?
If that's true, financial problems for SH has disappeared
Hana Hana no Mi is a fuit so broken that Oda hadn't played with it. 'til now….I thought that was a joke question. Chances are she did not clone the keys, but she did clone her clothes I imagine just for comic book purpouses. So we'll see I just took as her passing the keys all over the place with her hands unnoticed.
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good chapter
Hail Sanji
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Nobody answered?
Did Robin also clone the keys?
If that's true, financial problems for SH has disappeared
Hana Hana no Mi is a fuit so broken that Oda hadn't played with it. 'til now….Hehe, that's a fun idea, but not quite how the fruit works. Even if she did clone the keys using her power the cloned copy ceases to exist the moment she stops using her power. Although, if she can clone objects, what would happen in the scenario where the cloned object was destroyed. Such as when Kizaru destroys the key in Luffys hand. Going by the rest of her power she would lose the original as well.
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Nobody answered?
Did Robin also clone the keys?
If that's true, financial problems for SH has disappeared
Hana Hana no Mi is a fuit so broken that Oda hadn't played with it. 'til now….I smell a financial inflationary crisis of unseen proportions coming our way…!
All caused by Robin's money priniting abilities! :blink:BUt yeah see above, it actually isn't that hax when you think about it.
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Probably Robin can clone objects she's helding now. However, the clones would probably disappear as soon as Robin releases the original object or it is broken. Also, the cloned object is probably "glued" to her cloned body parts. If her cloned hand releases it, the cloned object would disappear, because she's "blooming" it as part of herself.
Or something like that.
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I don't think Robin can clone object, her DF power is not about that at all, it's about sprouting parts of her own body just like plants do. Plants can only clone themselves. Either someone threw the keys near the prisoners, or some parts of her body brought them there (for example she can sprout a line of hands and pass the keys from one another up to the prisoners).
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if she couldn't clone things she's touching, then when her full clone appeared it would have been buck naked.
i know that there's a very real possibility that Oda just wants to cover her up for the sake of decency,
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Yeah - I am agreeing with the train of thought that Robin's power has extended to full body cloning and cloneing what she is wearing or holding. Which will be the source of many many many arguments to come - like if she is holding a gun and fires it what happens?
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@$;2334067']he was shot in the chest,not in the head
on topic; shirahoshi forgave hodi only for her mother's death.i dont know if she forgives him for the current events thoughSorry, my fault. We are not talking about the same Gandhi
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I just dont get it, how 99% of the fanbase celebrate this chapter, just because the fights are starting. I skipped through all the comments, because the first part with shirahoshi was so incredible bad and it was barely mentioned anywhere here. But I think it is in line with how many people were whining (or for a better word: complaining) that the flashback was too long and uninteresting or how the villains got a bit fleshed out in the last chapters and we doesnt just jump right to the fighting. Yeah, the fighting is good on its own, but what makes OP so unique is its storytelling and in this regard, the shirahoshi part was a new low point.
So she knew that Hodi was a racist murderer and did nothing, because, someone could hate him? I mean, what??? In her world we should just leave all the poor criminals alone and let possible mass murderers run free? How evil to jail someone like the killer in the norway massaker, because I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Norway really hate him now. And people like jinbei are even admiring her for her attitude? The same guy, who just moments ago admitted that it was a terrible mistake to release Arlong in the East Blue? If the SH didnt intervene and Hody killed the royal familie and a lot of other fishman too and installed himself as tyrant over FI with horrifiying consequences, would Jinbei remain to be proud of Shirahoshi?
I'm sorry if I offended someone, but come on, this is a level of stupidity, that is very uncommon in OP and if this had happend in other mangas like naruto or bleach everyone would be calling it out as BS. Instead we have endless comments of "Who cares that it does not make sense, because yeah, the fighting is starting!"
Yes and she did that to keep a dying mother's wish, it is not stupid storytelling but the character that was portrayed as stupid certainly did her part and even you expressed how stupid she is for it. However she was young and the last thing her mum said is not to hate the person that did it, so what is a good daughter to do? exactly what her mum told her.
More so, her character is not stupid as Hody boasted but is innocent and know little of how the world works. Jinbei did not admire her because she kept the secret and cause the troubles that Hody has brought upon FI, he admire her because she held onto that burden herself and kept a promise to her mother, so she did nothing wrong.
I'm not offended buddy, it is just my take on the situation. I hope I didn't offend you in return, just wanted to point out another perspective on the storytelling. It is certainly not low writing, it is quite good and it did its job on portraying her character as naive.
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Robin can clone her DF, then make an object eat it, thus that object can clone itself ^^
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Yeah - I am agreeing with the train of thought that Robin's power has extended to full body cloning and cloneing what she is wearing or holding. Which will be the source of many many many arguments to come - like if she is holding a gun and fires it what happens?
Probably the bullet goes so fast, it hits the target before the cloned bullet disappears. :)
No, really, since that shark colorspread, I think we will see Robin using multiple guns at some point.
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if she couldn't clone things she's touching, then when her full clone appeared it would have been buck naked.
i know that there's a very real possibility that Oda just wants to cover her up for the sake of decency,
but if she can clone her clothes, why not the keys?Oda has stated in an SBS that the clothes of devil fruits users adapt to their abilities so there's not that much unnessecary nudity in the manga. That's why Miss Doublefinger's clothes don't rip when she uses her spikes, or why Luffy's shirt doesn't rip when he uses the Gomu Gomu no Balloon. And that's why Ace's clothes don't burn into ashes.
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I listened to Guile's theme when Luffy attacked Hody. That theme really does go with everything (well, almost everything…)!
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Probably she threw the keys and sprouted hands to catch them in different places (like when she tried to kill Cocodrile in the Royal Tomb).
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Probably she threw the keys and sprouted hands to catch them in different places (like when she tried to kill Cocodrile in the Royal Tomb).
I agree with this. It seems the easiest and most logical. Also, she didn't unlock them all at the same time. The panel clearly shows her unlocking one while the others are already unlocked. If she could clone keys there'd be no reason for the delay. She also didn't release Jinbe until the final spread.
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Chapter was meh, pretty boring. Last page was epic.
Still Oda didn't disappoint with this chapter, it was a good build up chapter.
Can't wait for the next one.You are contradicting yourself.How can a chapter be meh but not disappoint you at the same time?.
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I agree with this. It seems the easiest and most logical. Also, she didn't unlock them all at the same time. The panel clearly shows her unlocking one while the others are already unlocked. If she could clone keys there'd be no reason for the delay. She also didn't release Jinbe until the final spread.
Ummm if it was sent by hands we would see the hands transporting keys I didn't see that. So by your logic you are wrong as well. I could be wrong too but it would be cool if Robin can clone objects now too :D Also I think it was drawn in different panels because the locks are small and and if Oda drew the whole scene it would have been too much work.
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In all likelihood she did not clone the keys.
Are we due for a color spread soon? Possibly even next week? As soon as I see that Mugiwara Crew VS New Fishman Pirates featuring Jinbe I will be completely convinced about him joining. That is if we get such a spread. The one Franky appeared in was chapter 377 and he didn't join until 436, not that it was a surprise after his flash back.
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I just clocked when luffy told the citizens to decide for themselves
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71794722/17Thats similar to what whitebeard did
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Totally agree with you mate i brought this up earlier on in this thread Hody was correct in calling the princes stupid because it was stupid the truth didnt belong to her it belonged to the island so instead of the island hating hody they disliked the humans even more, also i notice this level of stupidity in naruto aswell. and as a said earlier if the people of the island knew that it wasn't a human that killed there queen they would be a good chance they would be living with the humans right about now.
If my sister or daughter secretly knew who killed my mum but didn't say anything even while i was interacting with the killer i would be pretty pissed.Hey dark knight, can I have a link to the pic you used as your avatar?