Well she is "more" likely now… but still too many cons... And seriously havin and fat monster mermaid for the rest of the manga... Please not
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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/possible troll
With the casket hacks, Shiraoshi ages to 30 and gets her "legs" so she can go with the strawhats.
/end trollIdk rly, this chapter is confusing every Jinbe fanboys out there .
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I wish Fukaboshi would join. But realistically, I think there will be no new crew mate.
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I'm seriously doubting anyone is going to join this arc.
Unless Shiriaoshi magically get smaller, stronger, looking less like nami, and with a more interesting personality through means of that Urashima Casket. -
@Marty.:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/88732753/2
Yeah this flashback is definitely about Jimbe. Jimbe is without a doubt the main focus of this entire flashback.
I mean he did manage to get one panel in this time.I cant agree with you more.
Jimbei is one of the main focus in the flashback, although many characters have their story told as well, but without a doubt Jimbei along with Fisher Tiger and Otohime is the main focus.Good post
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Shirahoshi as a SH still wouldn't work. Even with her legs she'd still be far too big and she's a tremendous cry-baby, she's a princess, far too innocent, Sanji would never get anything done, she's too big of a target, she shouldn't have any fighting skill.
These flashbacks are funny though. I think I've asked before but how much information is actually being told to the Strawhats? Jinbe isn't present for a large portion of them, is he just relaying info someone else told him?
Jinbe: And so Bob told me, who was near the Queen's chamber, overheard her making her sons promise to protect their sister.
Just once I want one of Oda's really long flashbacks to only have information that character talking about it was around to witness. The reader doesn't get more information that that character posses. Just to see how that'd come out.
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Shirahoshi will likely just be another ally who can bring her Sea Kings to the final battle.
Hell maybe all that will happen is Rayleigh will be convinced to come down and train her ability - perhaps that is the shadowed person (although I still think it is Shanks why not sure)
Still betting it is Hatchan but that is only because nothing in the current flashbacks has convinced me otherwise - However it all comes down to the solution to the arc as a whole as to who might join not just what happens in the Flashbacks. -
Well. About the size issue. She could probably shrink when she ages further.. sounds like something stupid enough for Oda to do.
But anyway, before this chapter, people will just burn alive anyone suggesting the idea of her joining. Now, not so much. So i guess this chapter also raises doubts in many people. Not just me
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Well. About the size issue. She could probably shrink when she ages further.. sounds like something stupid enough for Oda to do.
But anyway, before this chapter, people will just burn alive anyone suggesting the idea of her joining. Now, not so much. So i guess this chapter also raises doubts in many people. Not just meHasn't raised any doubts with me O.o
Then again I am betting different from the norm anyways - either way Hatchan excluded Jinbei is still the favourite this episode was about the death of the Queen and how it effected her family - Jinbei's role is not important for that hence only the one panal.
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Wow seriously?
her chances are raised???How exactly ???? the only thing that has changed is that the same prophecy Decken was talking about last chapter also says a man will guide Shirahoshi and that man will change the world.
Luffy has been doing that since before the Flashback started.
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There's no denying that her chances are raised. Not only is the foreshadowing strong in this one, but you can't deny that she is weak anymore since she has an extremely "fearsome power."
Ugh that really hurt to say.
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I've been holding back making comments about Shirahoshi but at this point I'd day it's either Shirahoshi or no one.
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What a great way to close on this era of the Big 3 that never had a chance of joining.
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LOL She didn't even do anything xDDD
Oh man this is seriously Hilarious I'll just let the Shirahoshi supporter's have their fun I suppose ,this is the only development on the character in these last two chapters alone since she's been introduced.
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It's not like I want Shirahoshi to join, I'll take Jinbe over her any day of the week. But now we know that she has the potential to be powerful, and that someone will help her unlock her power. You can't deny that her chances did go up by quite a bit.
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It's not like I want Shirahoshi to join, I'll take Jinbe over her any day of the week. But now we know that she has the potential to be powerful, and that someone will help her unlock her power. You can't deny that her chances did go up by quite a bit.
and esactly this thing with the power she has, is a big contra point against Shirahoshi as new Nakamate, because she is rather have to stay on Fishmen island to protect it with the seakings and to took place of her mother. Imo there she is more usefull aas if she would be a member of the strawhat pirates.
Just my two pieces xD
Oh and after the recent chap i think i came to like VDD as new nakama, he has alot of comedy potential and would build a perfect duo with brook xD
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I agree that she would be useful on Fishman Island, I don't disagree, but it's a point in favor of her joining the SHs since we know she isn't going to be weak and that an adventurer will have something to do with it. As much as I don't want her to join, as much as I agree she'd be better suited protecting Fishman Island, her chances did go up. It's no longer stupid to argue for her.
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But now we know that she has the potential to be powerful, and that someone will help her unlock her power. You can't deny that her chances did go up by quite a bit.
Just explain to me how? All that was said is someone will guide her which is what Luffy has been doing since he met her so obviously she'll gain a little backbone watching Luffy be Luffy,saving Ryguu,beating Hodi and Decken etc. She'll gain the Courage to continue her Mothers work and she'll basically be protected by her Brothers,while she uses her crazy Sea King power to protect FI ,until they find a new place.
How does any of this info say Shirahoshi's chances have risen to join the crew? she didn't even say one word or do anything worth a rise in her chances. In my opinion.
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Dude I think you are seriously in denial.
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Dude I think you are seriously in denial.
Really???
o_O That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Yeah because I SO want Shirahoshi to join.
Trust me, if Shirahoshi joined I'd probably the most pissed off person here.I always wanted a badass fishman or fishwoman to join the crew. Not some damn crybaby mermaid.
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cool chapter and man this sure a great flashback(although want more tiger but he will get his time later in the manga i think)
on side note i would say her chances increase to join if we take into the point strawhat final rival most likely is blackbeard pirate(too much alike) and she can fight Sanjuan Wolf, if not her they will get a giant unless oda have somthing in his mind (monster choppa ?? )
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OK… So tell me... how the fuck her poers are able to work on land battles, like in Sypia, Arabasta, EL and TB?
Even more what the fuck is she able to do without her sea king?
Seriously...
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She can destroy an entire freaking island with her sea kings - it's the same amount of power of a freaking Buster Call. It's definitely not a useless power on land.
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Blowfish kind of has a point. I won't go so far as to say this chapter changed nothing, but Shirahoshi still has several issues to solve if she's to join rather than stay and protect the island and carry on her mother's work. On the other hand, Jinbe doesn't have issues to solve, just requirements that haven't been met (mainly the dream). I'm still supporting Jinbe for that reason, but I can't deny Shirahoshi is at least discussable now.
So now we don't just have to fudge around with Jinbe's dream. We can figure out how joining the Pirate King's crew would follow Otohime's wishes (because that's another issue I see besides size; though it could go for both of the current candidates). We can discuss how her size will be handled or she'd walk on land without her tail split. How she'd battle inland where her sea kings can't help.
Edit: Where the hell has there been any evidence that sea kings can destroy an island? I pray you don't think islands work like boats and can be attacked and toppled from below or something.
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It's a joke Honestly ,can you Imagine the New OP Video games if she joins ???
Shirahoshi will just call different Sea Kings as attacks and that'll be so lame….
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WOW awesome fight… She will face an opponent ON land one on one... She is losing cuz she has no fucking other skills or she will just avoid to be hit with her possible CoO... Than suddenly she will scream a sea king will come magically on land and destroy the freaking island.
Yeah awesome^^
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Edit: Where the hell has there been any evidence that sea kings can destroy an island? I pray you don't think islands work like boats and can be attacked and toppled from below or something.
Reread the chapter. Otohime herself said that her power could destroy Fishman Island.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be lame. It is fucking lame. Hence why I would be pissed off if she joins.
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Reread the chapter. Otohime herself said that her power could destroy Fishman Island.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be lame. It is fucking lame. Hence why I would be pissed off if she joins.
Fishman Island is UNDERWATER. That's why Sea kings could damage it. Don't tell me you believe they could flop on shore at Arabasta, repeatedly beaching themselves until it's destroyed or something?
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Shirahoshi joining is still crazy to me, but the thought of seriously debating it gives me a headache, so I'm out.
Jinbe definitely took a back seat in this chapter as his role was that of a simple witness, but it doesn't really change anything for me.
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It's a joke Honestly ,can you Imagine the New OP Video games if she joins ???
Shirahoshi will just call different Sea Kings as attacks and that'll be so lame….
Right, videogames are nice evidence to decide who is going to join.
Hey, her action figures would have to be too big. So she can't possibly join.
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She wouldn't be very useful in most situations. Sea Kings are far too big and the SHs don't always fight in the open seas. They do go indoors in cities sometimes. She's so hugely impractical. A summoning ability like that isn't useful in their normal fights. She just gonna swim for hours at a time while the SH sail? That's just so silly. She's not Laboon. She's not a fighter. She is greatly lacking any real world experience. (Vivi at least purposely set out, picked up a weapon and fought), also Sanji would be stone forever…
I really don't even see Luffy wanting her as a crewmate. He wasn't enthusiastic when he first saw her. He didn't even say anything along the lines of "Sooo cool! Join us." She would have to have a massive 180 personality change to be considered by him. Usopp was a coward but he at least wanted to improve. Shirahoshi may have a powerful ability but she herself is not. She so far only just wanted to go to see her mother's grave. Done and done.
I can't understand where the logic is in her joining up with them. I'm more than willing to change my mind on some theories that people have brought up before (like Jinbe joining and some Haki discussions), but this is so off the wall and I still have yet to see anything that reasonably explains why her joining could be remotely plausible.
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This may sound crazy but I actually think Decken's chances may have went up >.>
Him or one of the Prince's they shined in the last chapter way more than Shirahoshi to me.
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It seems obvious almost everybody who has opposed Shira joining just want her to be the new leader of Fishmen island, use her powers to help them, be Vivi 2.0, etc.
You guys could blame Kishido for jinxing it though. complaining about ppl talking about her when no one was and now ppl actually have reason to talk about her joining lol.
Her usefulness on the crew is a non issue if she were to join though. You'll either accept that her powers will be actively included in arcs for the future or she'll replace Usopp as generally being a weakling save certain skills.
Yeah, that's one thing I don't get. Hell bent on denying any improved chances for Shira and in the same post talking about VDD like the crew needs a guy who is basically a pedophile.
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Right, videogames are nice evidence to decide who is going to join.
Hey, her action figures would have to be too big. So she can't possibly join.
Actually, It was a joke mostly, but yes I believe Video Games do show Evidence for the NN x3
See Franky for more info,the fact he was a SH member in a game before he even joined in the manga ,hence why people put so much faith in "the coins"
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I cant agree with you more.
Jimbei is one of the main focus in the flashback, although many characters have their story told as well, but without a doubt Jimbei along with Fisher Tiger and Otohime is the main focus.Good post
This is supposed to be a nakama flashback according to you people.
Jimbei is only the third or fourth focus, and that's being generous, of his flashback so far.
Something doesn't compute here.I think it's pretty clear that this flashback is about FI's recent history and the fishman cause in general, not specifically about Jimbe.
I mean he only got one single panel this chapter. That's unheard of in every other nakama flashback.
Get real.Read any other nakama flashback and it's pretty clear that from the get go the emotional focus is and stays on them throughout the flashback with a few pages here and there about the world around them. Here it's the opposite, you have a main story with only a few Jimbe panels here and there.
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This may sound crazy but I actually think Decken's chances may have went up >.>
Him or one of the Prince's they shined way more than Shirahoshi to me.
As much as I loved Decken this chapter, no freaking way.
I wouldn't call Decken a pedophile since he isn't interested in Shirahoshi as a child, and does want her to grow into a woman. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children and Decken is clearly not. So he isn't as low as being a pedophile, but he is attempting a form of child grooming.
Not to mention the fact that he can't swim would defeat the point of having a fishman in the crew.
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She wouldn't be very useful in most situations. Sea Kings are far too big and the SHs don't always fight in the open seas. They do go indoors in cities sometimes. She's so hugely impractical. A summoning ability like that isn't useful in their normal fights. She just gonna swim for hours at a time while the SH sail? That's just so silly. She's not Laboon. She's not a fighter. She is greatly lacking any real world experience. (Vivi at least purposely set out, picked up a weapon and fought), also Sanji would be stone forever…
I really don't even see Luffy wanting her as a crewmate. He wasn't enthusiastic when he first saw her. He didn't even say anything along the lines of "Sooo cool! Join us." She would have to have a massive 180 personality change to be considered by him. Usopp was a coward but he at least wanted to improve. Shirahoshi may have a powerful ability but she herself is not. She so far only just wanted to go to see her mother's grave. Done and done.
I can't understand where the logic is in her joining up with them. I'm more than willing to change my mind on some theories that people have brought up before (like Jinbe joining and some Haki discussions), but this is so off the wall and I still have yet to see anything that reasonably explains why her joining could be remotely plausible.
Robin wasn't asked to join and he was ok with her any ways being apart of the crew and he once was upset with her well. So, I'd say him coming around to the mermaid Princess in the end isn't impossible. Also lets look at weak here, Nami is the weakest of the bunch yet she still puts up a pretty good fight, some one could teach the girl how to fight some how. I'm not saying she's going to join, we still have Jinbe here.
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Ok and still how her skilly will work on land?
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@Marty.:
This is supposed to be a nakama flashback according to you people.
Jimbei is only the third or fourth focus, and that's being generous, of his flashback so far.
Something doesn't compute here.I think it's pretty clear that this flashback is about FI's recent history and the fishman cause in general, not specifically about Jimbe.
I mean he only got one single panel this chapter. That's unheard of in every other nakama flashback.Read any other nakama flashback and it's pretty clear that from the get go the emotional focus is and stays on them throughout the flashback with a few pages here and there about the world around them. Here it's the opposite, you have a main story with only a few Jimbe panels here and there.
Fourth or third??? Are you getting Him confused with Shirahoshi?? the most she's done this entire Arc was call Sea Kings and cry. Jinbe didn't need to be central in this chapter this was when Otohime was gonna die so obviously Oda was gonna spend more time on her with Shirahoshi and her Bros.
As far as Flashback relevance it goes as so:
1. Fisher Tiger
2. Otohime
3.Jinbe
4. Arlong=====Supporting role====
Neptune Family
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Robin wasn't asked to join and he was ok with her any ways being apart of the crew and he once was upset with her well. So, I'd say him coming around to the mermaid Princess in the end isn't impossible. Also lets look at weak here, Nami is the weakest of the bunch yet she still puts up a pretty good fight, some one could teach the girl how to fight some how. I'm not saying she's going to join, we still have Jinbe here.
No but he saw a Robin's strength and he was was upset for all of 3 seconds. Why would Shirahoshi say she wanted to join them then? Nami is useful in many ways: she's a navigator, a thief and she puts people in their place, and she's smart and she has a weapon with many uses. Who's going to teach the over grown mermaid to fight? Where would they train her? None of them would be suitable in training her to use her mermaidness to it's fullest. This isn't Bleach, taking time outs to train her would be impractical when they are usually constantly on the run or in the middle of a fight.
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She wouldn't be very useful in most situations. Sea Kings are far too big and the SHs don't always fight in the open seas. They do go indoors in cities sometimes. She's so hugely impractical. A summoning ability like that isn't useful in their normal fights. She just gonna swim for hours at a time while the SH sail? That's just so silly. She's not Laboon. She's not a fighter. She is greatly lacking any real world experience. (Vivi at least purposely set out, picked up a weapon and fought), also Sanji would be stone forever…
I really don't even see Luffy wanting her as a crewmate. He wasn't enthusiastic when he first saw her. He didn't even say anything along the lines of "Sooo cool! Join us." She would have to have a massive 180 personality change to be considered by him. Usopp was a coward but he at least wanted to improve. Shirahoshi may have a powerful ability but she herself is not. She so far only just wanted to go to see her mother's grave. Done and done.
I can't understand where the logic is in her joining up with them. I'm more than willing to change my mind on some theories that people have brought up before (like Jinbe joining and some Haki discussions), but this is so off the wall and I still have yet to see anything that reasonably explains why her joining could be remotely plausible.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/613/12
He even had the happiness sparkles behind him.@Zik:
Yeah, that's one thing I don't get. Hell bent on denying any improved chances for Shira and in the same post talking about VDD like the crew needs a guy who is basically a pedophile.
God, he's not a pedophile. He doesn't want to have sex with the child princess, he wants to marry her for strategic reasons and he wants her TO GROW UP before he even proposes to her.
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People are complaining about her weak personality, but to me it would make sense to have a weak female. We already have two strong female characters, it would be a nice contrast.
And don't forget Oda can just make up anything whenever he wants. He can just say her brothers taught her Merman Combat.
Just to make things clear, I don't think anyone will join this arc and I don't want her to join. But denying she has chances just doesn't make sense.
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the most she's done this entire Arc was call Sea Kings and cry.
Dude, you say this as it wasn't anything important. Otohime made it clear that it was a big fucking deal of prophecies. You can't just dismiss it as a little kid throwing a tantrum. She summoned five fucking seakings with that crying. When she was a little kid. Imagine what kind of power she could hold as an adult and being able to actually control it.
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http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/613/12
He even had the happiness sparkles behind him.God, he's not a pedophile. He doesn't want to have sex with the child princess, he wants to marry her for strategic reasons and he wants her TO GROW UP before he even proposes to her.
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People are complaining about her weak personality, but to me it would make sense to have a weak female. We already have two strong female characters, it would be a nice contrast.
And don't forget Oda can just make up anything whenever he wants. He can just say her brothers taught her Merman Combat.
Just to make things clear, I don't think anyone will join this arc and I don't want her to join. But denying she has chances just doesn't make sense.
You didn't prove anything with that link. He was just eating. He was more annoyed with her than anything else.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/612/17 this is where he first sees her. He only surprised that she's so big.
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Dude, you say this as it wasn't anything important. Otohime made it clear that it was a big fucking deal of prophecies. You can't just dismiss it as a little kid throwing a tantrum. She summoned five fucking seakings with that crying. When she was a little kid. Imagine what kind of power she could hold as an adult and being able to actually control it.
There is something you don't seem to get ,where are we having this convo??? oh yea the NN thread and In my opinion her being able to call Sea kings has jack shit to do with her joining the Straw hat crew ofc this is just my opinion but believe what you want man I can't stop ya.
The ability doesn't fit the Crew's Combat style
specialized Weapons, DF powers, and unique Fighting styles. This is what makes up the SH crew's power ,I just don't see summoning's coming into the mix. Unless it's Jinbe and whale sharks since he has Fishman Karate.
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Says the guy who thinks Decken has a sliver of a chance of joining.
honestly dude, I don't want nor do I think she's going to join, but you can't dismiss her summoning sea kings as something unimportant.
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Says the guy who thinks Decken has a sliver of a chance of joining.
honestly dude, I don't want nor do I think she's going to join, but you can't dismiss her summoning sea kings as something unimportant.
Again it's important, but it isn't important for who joins the crew.
It's important to the Story arc on FI obviously but as for Calling Sea King's rising Shirahoshi joining the crew I just don't see it,but to each his own.
What does Decken have to do with anything ?? O_o he uses a unique DF power and he uses Axes and throwing knives as Weapons that fits the SH battle criteria ,imo.
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Says the guy who thinks Decken has a sliver of a chance of joining.
Way to not pick up on his joke (first time that you're harping on) and use of comparison to show Shirahoshi's flaws (post above mine). Obviously he doesn't think Decken's joining. iirc he's in the Jinbe boat.
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I don't believe this chapter furthered Shirahoshi's chances of joining at all. If any chapter improved her chances it would last chapter when the power was first revealed. This chapter kind of back tracked from the potential that she showed last chapter (although she has more potential than she had 2 chapters back). This chapter is named "The Three Neptune Brothers", the most significant thing they did this chapter was vow to protect Shirahoshi.
I believe that she is going to be a kind of Vivi 2.0 situation, except in this case she stays back to actually do something instead of being forced to. Shirahoshi is going to carry on her mother's will, it seems to me that the Otohime was the real activist in the family, Neptune is just there. It is apparent that Neptune isn't advancing the fishman cause, he didn't want to get involved when his own wife was doing it, and why it's Hodi is attempting his revolution. Fishman island needs a new leader. The prophecy was that FI will be destroyed, whether you believe it's metaphorical or literal, you can't deny that FI be undergoing drastic. Shirahoshi is going to lead them.
It would be dumb for Otohime's death scene to involve her children crying and saying that they will accomplish her goals, only to have Shirahoshi grow up and try to achieve piece in a way completely contradictory to her mother's views. Shirahoshi risked her life to protect a noble, I doubt her daughter is going to be in the crew that kicks her ass. Shirahoshi will carry on Otonime's will and achieve piece through politics not force.
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No but he saw a Robin's strength and he was was upset for all of 3 seconds. Why would Shirahoshi say she wanted to join them then? Nami is useful in many ways: she's a navigator, a thief and she puts people in their place, and she's smart and she has a weapon with many uses. Who's going to teach the over grown mermaid to fight? Where would they train her? None of them would be suitable in training her to use her mermaidness to it's fullest. This isn't Bleach, taking time outs to train her would be impractical when they are usually constantly on the run or in the middle of a fight.
Maybe she'd want to join cuz he helped her out at the end of this arc? Nami is a useful crew member but fighting she is the weakest. I was thinking Jinbe could teach her how to fight, he doesn't have to join but for a mini arc he could help her out a bit??? Ask for where they could train, well Franky could make a big place for them to train?? Just a few ideas, again not saying shey'll join