I think when you see the army shelling a fucking hospital, that will change your mind too.
Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions
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@No:
I think when you see the army shelling a fucking hospital, that will change your mind too.
Obviously, but with most wars there is propaganda, so I would expect it was something he witnessed or heard from a family member that changed his outlook. That defining moment is what I'm interested in. I also wouldn't mind knowing who's supplying the weapons fuelling this war as he mentioned Russian guns earlier.
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keep it up kuma. best wishes for you
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Kuma, my prayings are with you.
Such a huge amount of turmoils and pain in the world nowdays.
I have some questions to ask you and I hope you can answer them.1. What does Libyan people want? are they planning on establishing a Islamic revival and made Libya more Islamic oriented which then will be more condesent to all the social classes particularly the poor and guarantee basic needs? or Does Libya only wants the Colonel out ? what is the real reason for the rebellion?
2. Do you guys need US military intervention? I am a Lt.2nd in the US army Reserver. I am concerned that the situation in the Middle East will call for a new deployment, I was due to go to Afghanistan in January but for whatever reason my company was not deployed. However now that US is scrambling about sending Military to Libya, my company then might be sent over. I am not scared, but I need to know what would be the reasons of what then we would have to fight, protect , etc.
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Its unlikely any country will physically get involved other than supporting the rebels with weapons of by putting restrictions on Gadaffis air force. Maybe we'll see some kind of ground presence later when they people are trying to rebuild the country, but not for military purposes. This would most likely be inspired by the oil contracts that'll be handed out with the next ruler/party. (buttering them up)
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I would expect it was something he witnessed or heard from a family member that changed his outlook.
looking back over his posts, in basic terms,
he got shot in the leg and fought in the streets and saw life in a new light.
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On NPR: In either Bahrain or Tehran (or both), forces are attacking a hospital (someone is reporting as an attack is going on). Possibly attacking a health center.
I can't quite put together more than that. The woman on the phone said that they're using gas, but not tear gas, and that snipers are aiming at people in windows. The whole hospital is surrounded by the army.
My recollection may not be 100% accurate, but this is the gist of it.
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-Libya: 11 killed and 20 wounded in the battles to defend Misurata against Gaddafi forces.
-Witnesses from Misurata: Gaddafi Brigades tried to enter Misurata from 3 entrances but the rebels managed to stop them.
-Al-Jazeera correspondent: Three rebels aircrafts bombed Gaddafi forces east Ajdabiya.
-Sources: Gaddafi forces cut off water supplies to city of Misurata.
-In Tubrouk rebels managed to control a cargo ship coming from Greece on its way to the port of Zawiyah loaded with gasoline. The cargo ship belongs to Gaddafi's son Hannibal.
-Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has told Euronews that the Libyan government funded Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president's, campaign for election and that it is demanding that money back.[hide]
Sarkozy must first give back the money he took from Libya to finance his electoral campaign. We funded it and we have all the details and are ready to reveal everything. The first thing we want this clown to do is to give the money back to the Libyan people.
He was given assistance so that he could help them. But he's disappointed us: give us back our money. We have all the bank details and documents for the transfer operations and we will make everything public soon.
[/hide]-On Tuesday, Muammar Gaddafi said that his "good friend" Sarkozy had "gone mad".[hide]
He is my friend but I think he has gone mad. He is suffering from a psychological illness. That is what people say who are close to him. His aides say that he is suffering from a psychological illness."
[/hide]-Gaddafi also warns the west that he will team up with al-qaeda.
-A witness has told AFP that pro-Gaddafi forces have attacked the rebel-held town of Zintan, 120km southwest of Tripoli.
-Bahrain: Bahrain security forces cleared the pearl roundabout from protestors, 4 were killed in the process (2 of each side) and 10s injured.
-Bahrain announced emergency law for 3 months and started a curfew in some parts of the country from 16:00 to 04:00.
-Iran's reaction for the gulf forces entering Bahrain: "hgjyfkfdghjyiul".
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Gaddafi also warns the west that he will team up with al-qaeda.
Iran's reaction for the gulf forces entering Bahrain: "hgjyfkfdghjyiul".
lol.
To the 11 rebels who died in libya, rest in peace.
Shit is starting to get serious in Bahrain we saw Egypt and Tunisia go through this stage, stay strong people!
No comment on Sarko. Excitedly awaiting how he will handle this one.
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-Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has told Euronews that the Libyan government funded Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president's, campaign for election and that it is demanding that money back.[hide]-On Tuesday, Muammar Gaddafi said that his "good friend" Sarkozy had "gone mad".[/hide]-Gaddafi also warns the west that he will team up with al-qaeda.
ahahahahahahahahahaahahaaha
@asm00200:-Iran's reaction for the gulf forces entering Bahrain: "hgjyfkfdghjyiul".
-Syria's reaction to everything these days: "gun to head"
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Gaddafi also warns the west that he will team up with al-qaeda.
As in Sarkozy or himself ? Because if the latter were true that would be the biggest turnaround I have seen outside of 1984.
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Gaddafi seems to be panicking. Teaming up with Al-qaeda?
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Smudger banned? lol now I see the kind of people I am insulted at for no reason.
eitherway, my blessings are with the people of the world in crises :Japan. Libya, Egypt. and I hope our fellow Libyan forum members can answer my questions above.
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Smudger banned? lol now I see the kind of people I am insulted at for no reason.
Not being banned doesn't mean you are better.
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@THE:
Not being banned doesn't mean you are better.
Did not say that and did not intended that. might want to delete your comment for adding words to my mouth.
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Did Kuma post again? I'm really worried! And are the UN sending in support (or America in that case?)
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Yesterday .
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@No:
As in Sarkozy or himself ? Because if the latter were true that would be the biggest turnaround I have seen outside of 1984.
lol, I'll pay to see that.
@THE:
Gaddafi seems to be panicking. Teaming up with Al-qaeda?
That's why we love Gaddafi, first he say that everything happening in Libya is their fault and now he threatens to team up with them. lol
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Say asm, could we stop with the mutualy accepted hatred ? It's scarring the children.
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@No:
Say asm, could we stop with the mutualy accepted hatred ? It's scarring the children.
@No:
At least you don't seem to hold a bloody vendetta against me like asm when I correct him :ninja:
Sure, why not.
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Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has claimed that the revolution will be over in 48 hours but fuck, this really can't end like this. Not after everything kuma and the Libyans have done!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/15/libya-rebels-last-stand-benghazi?intcmp=239
Please tell me this is false news.
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Well guess what awaits BK if they lose. Torture and death probably.
So yeah…...I'm kind of dazed.
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Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has claimed that the revolution will be over in 48 hours but fuck, this really can't end like this. Not after everything kuma and the Libyans have done!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/15/libya-rebels-last-stand-benghazi?intcmp=239
Please tell me this is false news.
No, actually it's all true. Saif Al-Islam did say that.
.. but seriously, whenever you hear a member of Gaddafi's regime or family say something, make sure you lol very hard.
.. and in case you didn't get what I mean. It's all BS.
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But you sure ? That info is also in non quote portions.
Would make me extremely happy if that was not true.
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@No:
But you sure ? That info is also in non quote portions.
Would make me extremely happy if that was not true.
I saw that interview. He said they're already in Benghazi, while in reality their forces are being bounded in Ajdabiyah.
So yeah, bullshit.
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So the guardian is talking out of it's ass ?
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Watch. In two days Gaddafi will step down then hop on a plane and seek asylum in fucking Belarus where he'll live out his days criticizing the new Libyan government and chortle to himself on how he narrowly avoided being lynched with a broom handle.
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God I would so want that to happen.
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@No:
So the guardian is talking out of it's ass ?
No. Out of Gaddafi's ass.
But the fight is still going there.
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I just want to hope BK and co can turn this thing around.
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Amen to this. Lets not talk about losing yet the rebels are still fighting with everything.
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Good to hear that you're still trusting asm, I agree that we should hope for the best now more than ever.
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I'm sure a book could be written with all the stupid things and self contradictions the Gaddafi clan said.
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I am so fucking pissed… Gaddafi is a god damn monster and he is going to win... he is getting away with everything he is done and he is emerging winner.
WHY cant EU/Nato give protesters hand, even give them even ground by taking out Gaddafi's murderous airforces... God damn USA could finally use their massive military for something useful and massacre Libyan's army to the last man, those who has stayed with Gaddafi are nothing more than thugs and criminals.
Its sickening to see how Libyan people strugle to fight tanks and helicopters with light arms and even rocks.
I cant believe that murderous bastard is getting away from murdering and robbery of his citizens... and every other country are powerless to help.
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I cant believe that murderous bastard is getting away from murdering and robbery of his citizens… and every other country are powerless to help.
Heh, I'm afraid that's how politics work nowadays. It's not that they're powerless to help, they just don't want to. Everyone is too afraid to enter a serious conflict on anyone's behalf, basically they doing a Switzerland and stay put as long as possible. It's unfortunate but let's hope the plea from the Arabian League will make them overthink their attitude, because Gaddafi will be impossible to tolerate in the future for any country which claims to stand for democracy and ethics.
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I am so fucking pissed… Gaddafi is a god damn monster and he is going to win... he is getting away with everything he is done and he is emerging winner.
WHY cant EU/Nato give protesters hand, even give them even ground by taking out Gaddafi's murderous airforces... God damn USA could finally use their massive military for something useful and massacre Libyan's army to the last man, those who has stayed with Gaddafi are nothing more than thugs and criminals.
Its sickening to see how Libyan people strugle to fight tanks and helicopters with light arms and even rocks.
I cant believe that murderous bastard is getting away from murdering and robbery of his citizens... and every other country are powerless to help.
NATO can't step in unless there's an unanimous vote. There's quite a few countries still against sending troops.
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I am so fucking pissed… Gaddafi is a god damn monster and he is going to win... he is getting away with everything he is done and he is emerging winner.
WHY cant EU/Nato give protesters hand, even give them even ground by taking out Gaddafi's murderous airforces... God damn USA could finally use their massive military for something useful and massacre Libyan's army to the last man, those who has stayed with Gaddafi are nothing more than thugs and criminals.
Its sickening to see how Libyan people strugle to fight tanks and helicopters with light arms and even rocks.
I cant believe that murderous bastard is getting away from murdering and robbery of his citizens... and every other country are powerless to help.
As Havoc already said above me, everyone not involved in this is afraid that their might be consequences to getting involved.
The U.S. is already spread out to several other areas, and while they could withdraw from some places, the time that would be taken to do so could be too long for them to help effectively. Also, I don't think the government is too keen on the idea of having another place to move troops to. And some NATO/EU countries probably don't want to get into the situation that the U.S. military is in. (lots of places to take care of) Also (though I'm not too sure), some international tension might be created if other governments intervene.
Simply, most of the governmental powers are afraid to involve themselves in the rebel cause, as noble as it is. I do believe we should involve ourselves, if the governments really want to back up the message they want to send. Just giving out the reasons the countries might not be eager to help when they should.
Edit: And Chocula's right, Gaddafi hasn't come close to winning yet.
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And Gaddafi hasn't fucking won.
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As some one who have been ( and still am) part of NATO, I highly doubt that the other NATO countries whishes the US to attack Libya. NATO countries are bound by a set of rules and promises in writing that specifically states , any country under NATO that is attacked, is an attack to all NATO countries. IF we invade Libya to help rebel forces, and Libya military attack US troops, that means, it attacks , by treaty and alliance, all other 28 countries. Also there are many delicate situations why the US is hesitant to help rebel and invade, primordially the condemnation of such act by the Arab League (which many control most of our oil dependance) , Iraq, Afghanistan and of course.. Iran. As you guys know, Iran has condemned any military intervention by the US or NATO and at this point , we need to keep relations with Iran on the least possible stressfull situation to get their support to stabilize Iraq. Shia resurgence in the Middle East has granted Iran a lot of power in the region, and most Iraqui authorities now are Shia, and they highly respect Iranian clerics.
it is very delicate the situation in the Middle East.
Oh yea not to mention, we need a UN charter to invade Libya, and that seems unlikely with Russia and China opposing military intervention. Eitherway, If I am deployed by any chance in the conflict, I would like first to get the fact straight, so Kuma , please when you get online, asnwer my questions above. I would like to know the deep roots of the conflict.The most we can do is tell our friends in the NAVY to set up some blockeades to prevent shipments to leave or come to Libya.
At this point I have been talking to two good friend of mine ( one is a Captain in the Italian Army and the other is a British Warrant officer whom I met in Afghanistan), we all been talking about the proposed and controversial no flight zone for Libya, and they pointed out something that I never thought before: Libya is having a civil war and the citizens want the world to support their coup, which they assambled a rebel army with weapons and took over cities. Now when Adriano told me that I was quite still thinking that Gadafi is crazy bla bla, but then I started thinking , what if that happens in USA? we grow tired of the government spending and the poor getting poorer , if we rise and pick up weapons against our government, will it be like in the Middle East? or why not? will the world support us (which now we would be militias ) or the US government? Is the people unsatisfied with their life and what they consider opression (Dont get me wrong please, but I am sure there are people in affected countries that support the governments) are allowed to take arms against their governments? , so all these things rushed my mind, and I didnt quite frankly knew what to answer him. So this is why I wanted to hear the roots of the problem in Libya and perhaps this way of thinking is why many other countries are divided in different issues such as invading, supporting rebels, no flight zone. However one thing we all agree on is that the loss of human life must stop, but how will it stop if neither side wants to give up?I ask those who are over there to answer me honestly, will you stop shooting your gun first? , how can the loss of human life and violence stop if one party keep attacking government forces and then they attack back , and even if attacked by the government first, the rebel army fight back, so its a loose loose situation.
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Now when Adriano told me that I was quite still thinking that Gadafi is crazy bla bla, but then I started thinking , what if that happens in USA?
What if we were ruled by an iron fisted corrupt dictator and we revolted?
Isn't that the wet dream of every American and plot of 50% of hollywood films?Also it did happen in the USA about 230 years ago and we were supported by the French and Dutch among others.
we grow tired of the government spending and the poor getting poorer , if we rise and pick up weapons against our government, will it be like in the Middle East? or why not?
Because we have a constitution, term limits, and democracy. We hold revolutions by voting for new people.
So this is why I wanted to hear the roots of the problem in Libya and perhaps this way of thinking is why many other countries are divided in different issues such as invading, supporting rebels, no flight zone.
Dictator. Corruption. Economic trouble.
Obscene violence against initially peaceful protests.
Revolution against this.
Why so hard to get.
However one thing we all agree on is that the loss of human life must stop, but how will it stop if neither side wants to give up?
The loss of human life against civilians is the problem, not Gaddafi's fucking soldiers.
Why the hell are you pretending there's an equilibrium here.
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I'm not pretending there is an equilibrium, but I am saying that life wont be lost anymore if both parties stop, but since Gaddafi is determined no to, then someone got to give.
Because people, ESPECIALLY the Libyan person you want to talk to, don't care about life loss of Gaddafi's forces.
Gaddafi's soldiers are acting upon orders.
Tough for them, many other soldiers have turned on Gaddafi. The military in Egypt and Tunisia COMPLETELY refused to turn their weapons on protests.
We do have a constitution like you say, however there were militia groups preparing to attack Washington if you remember
They are crazy idiots who form an insanely small minority of no relevance.
These is absolutely no comparison.
when the whole Right to have weapons was on the hot spot for an amd.
What the hell does this have to do with anything.
About the 230 years ago, I'm talking if this would be to happen now in modern times. We do can vote as you say, however there are tons of people who are not satisfied with the government and with the Republican and Democrat policies.
Then they can vote about it.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have been loftlornly waiting for votes for years in their respective alternative camps.So if we vote and what we voted wasn't aproved, are we in our right to rise agasint the government with weapons because we feel powerless against a government that even tho we voted ,
No we aren't.
Now remind me again how this is in any shape or form similar to Libya.
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Well it is not similar but I am giving you an example, if we arent allowed then how come many other countries actions like these can be seen wonderfully in the international community. It is the same thing no matter if is USA , China, Egypt , Libya , when the people form a rebel army and stop being peaceful. Yes Gaddafi is insane, but it still doesnt give people the right to take arms and start a revolution you know, because then, anyone can start a revolution wherever they want to for whatever reason they want to. and if the majority of the people are poor, then the majority will be seen as the right party. So if a bunch of Americans decide that nothing they do will change the way the government do things and they become desperate because the government is corrupt and keep spending and enriching the rich, and prices go up for everything (which they are) and still tons of corrupt politicians fight the so needed health care that can help millions of Americans, then by your thinking that the masses are allowed to rise and take arms against what they think is corrupt AND when they are disatisfied with the quality of life , we would have the same situation here of a rebel army against the US. but that doesnt mean that all of the Americans, will support that, im sure you probably wouldn't if it doesnt affect you what they are fighting for, so this same theory can be applied to other countries around the world that are experiencing Islamic revival and revolutions.
I mentioned the whole right to have weapons , because this was the reason why bunch of milita groups around the US were mad at the government if they aproved the restriction of it.
AND specially because people, like you say, dont care about the life of Gaddafi's forces, then why the military should care for the rebel forces loses? they stopped being purely civilians when they took arms , yes some in defence but others because they wanted to seize power and even other mercenary groups joined them. same applies. A Life is a life man. There is no way to do peace if the other party whoever it is keeps attacking.
Dont get me wrong, I hate what Gaddafi is doing and I think he should be removed from power. He used way too much power against an army of rifles, similar to Israel abuses to Palestine. But I still believe things should be achieved peacefully and if they cant be achieved peacefully then one must seek international help to create awareness, not just take matters in to one owns hand and take it to the next level to be a civil war.!!
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Well it is not similar but I am giving you an example, if we arent allowed then how come many other countries actions like these can be seen wonderfully in the international community. It is the same thing no matter if is USA , China, Egypt , Libya , when the people form a rebel army and stop being peaceful. Yes Gaddafi is insane, but it still doesnt give people the right to take arms and start a revolution you know, because then, anyone can start a revolution wherever they want to for whatever reason they want to. and if the majority of the people are poor, then the majority will be seen as the right party. So if a bunch of Americans decide that nothing they do will change the way the government do things and they become desperate because the government is corrupt and keep spending and enriching the rich, and prices go up for everything (which they are) and still tons of corrupt politicians fight the so needed health care that can help millions of Americans, then by your thinking that the masses are allowed to rise and take arms against what they think is corrupt AND when they are disatisfied with the quality of life , we would have the same situation here of a rebel army against the US. but that doesnt mean that all of the Americans, will support that, im sure you probably wouldn't if it doesnt affect you what they are fighting for, so this same theory can be applied to other countries around the world that are experiencing Islamic revival and revolutions.
I mentioned the whole right to have weapons , because this was the reason why bunch of milita groups around the US were mad at the government if they aproved the restriction of it.
AND specially because people, like you say, dont care about the life of Gaddafi's forces, then why the military should care for the rebel forces loses? they stopped being purely civilians when they took arms , yes some in defence but others because they wanted to seize power and even other mercenary groups joined them. same applies. A Life is a life man. There is no way to do peace if the other party whoever it is keeps attacking.
Dont get me wrong, I hate what Gaddafi is doing and I think he should be removed from power. He used way too much power against an army of rifles, similar to Israel abuses to Palestine. But I still believe things should be achieved peacefully and if they cant be achieved peacefully then one must seek international help to create awareness, not just take matters in to one owns hand and take it to the next level to be a civil war.!!
As long as the US doesn't start shooting the people protesting for better conditions with live bullets and killing people, I don't think we have to worry about a revolution.
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I in particular would never shoot my fellow Americans, even if they werent American I wouldnt shoot innocent civilians. But it is hard position to be for a military officer when chain of command is issuing you an order and if you dont go with it hardcore bad stuff can happen to you. So in a way I understand the soldiers way of thinking.
Now if some people get wild during a peaceful demostration and they are civilians and they got guns, I wouldnt hesitate on shooting after they pull the guns at me and dont obey the warnings. But anyways, I hope everything gets better in Libya, and my support goes to all those innocent who arent killing others. -
Well it is not similar but I am giving you an example, if we arent allowed then how come many other countries actions like these can be seen wonderfully in the international community. It is the same thing no matter if is USA , China, Egypt , Libya , when the people form a rebel army and stop being peaceful. Yes Gaddafi is insane, but it still doesnt give people the right to take arms and start a revolution you know, because then, anyone can start a revolution wherever they want to for whatever reason they want to. and if the majority of the people are poor, then the majority will be seen as the right party. So if a bunch of Americans decide that nothing they do will change the way the government do things and they become desperate because the government is corrupt and keep spending and enriching the rich, and prices go up for everything (which they are) and still tons of corrupt politicians fight the so needed health care that can help millions of Americans, then by your thinking that the masses are allowed to rise and take arms against what they think is corrupt AND when they are disatisfied with the quality of life , we would have the same situation here of a rebel army against the US. but that doesnt mean that all of the Americans, will support that, im sure you probably wouldn't if it doesnt affect you what they are fighting for, so this same theory can be applied to other countries around the world that are experiencing Islamic revival and revolutions.
You seem to be confused about who started firing. The protests started peaceful asking for reforms (basically asking for democracy from a ruler they never elected). Gaddafi's answer was firing live bullets & hiring african mercenaries. The protests had 3 options: -give up & go home, -stay & be killed OR -grap a gun & fight back. They chose to fight for their freedom.
ِِAn "elected" government is a legitimate ruling party who expresses the majority, a 40 year ruling dictator is NOT. So don't look at them from the same perspective.
Dont get me wrong, I hate what Gaddafi is doing and I think he should be removed from power. He used way too much power against an army of rifles, similar to Israel abuses to Palestine. But I still believe things should be achieved peacefully and if they cant be achieved peacefully then one must seek international help to create awareness, not just take matters in to one owns hand and take it to the next level to be a civil war.!!
So what do you expect the Libyans or Palestinians to do?
Why does it always become the responsibility of the "weak" to seek peace and accept that opposing the powerful will only lead to death?
Did the "international help" granted the Palestinians a country of their own yet? Did it discredit the 40 year ruling dictator? And for how long exactly should those who are oppressed be patient?Is this justice? Is this really peace? or is it giving up and accepting any blessing the powerful bestowed upon you (after all he DID let you live in peace didn't he?).
Let me end with 2 quotes.
JFK (or so I heard): Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, make a violent revolution inevitable.
A leader from the late Egyptian protests (with tears in his eyes after being showed a pictures for the young dead protesters): This is not our fault. This is the fault of those who cling to power and refuse to let go.
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@Bad:
You seem to be confused about who started firing. The protests started peaceful asking for reforms (basically asking for democracy from a ruler they never elected). Gaddafi's answer was firing live bullets & hiring african mercenaries. The protests had 3 options: -give up & go home, -stay & be killed OR -grap a gun & fight back. They chose to fight for their freedom.
ِِAn "elected" government is a legitimate ruling party who expresses the majority, a 40 year ruling dictator is NOT. So don't look at them from the same perspective.
So what do you expect the Libyans or Palestinians to do?
Why does it always become the responsibility of the "weak" to seek peace and accept that opposing the powerful will only lead to death?
Did the "international help" granted the Palestinians a country of their own yet? Did it discredit the 40 year ruling dictator? And for how long exactly should those who are oppressed be patient?Is this justice? Is this really peace? or is it giving up and accepting any blessing the powerful bestowed upon you (after all he DID let you live in peace didn't he?).
Let me end with 2 quotes.
JFK (or so I heard): Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, make a violent revolution inevitable.
A leader from the late Egyptian protests (with tears in his eyes after being showed a pictures for the young dead protesters): This is not our fault. This is the fault of those who cling to power and refuse to let go.
You make good sensitive points that show the true color of things. (unlike Jerkdiseas who creates an evironment of violence and can confuse people who are asking for the true reasons).
I dont deny for a while I was skeptical too about the real situation, but the way you put things have convinced me how things really are.
Now my question is, what are libyans expecting after Gaddafi is killed or removed from power?
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Now my question is, what are libyans expecting after Gaddafi is killed or removed from power?
This question only a Libyan has the right and the knowledge to answer.
Libya is consisted of tripes, my guess would be that some may want to divide the country, but I hope & believe that this won't happen. The next should be democratic elections where they can choose a better ruler, but when and how can be only be answered by Libyans.
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Jerkdiseas who creates an evironment of violence
Are you talking about this thread itself?
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Thank god our personal forum marshall arived to bring us peace. Cause that's what soldiers do, right?
@Dragonxpiece:Now my question is, what are libyans expecting after Gaddafi is killed or removed from power?
Seriously, what could the Americans expect after sending the British home? Did they really think not paying the taxes for with they got nothing in return and ruling themselfes would do them any good? How could they?