Im lovin Hodis laugh its just like arlongs lol jahahahhaha sounds so funny in the anime bhahaha ohhh arlong good times
Chapter 617: "The Shocking Incident at Coral Hill" Discussion
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I actually forgot about that fight. Didn't he defeat him with salt though? I do remember him slashing at him a few times, but wasn't it the salt that finished him off? If so then Franky and Robin could have beat him easily.
It was salt, and Brook was the only one who knew that weakness.
But he hasn't done anything important ever since he became a Strawhat.
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There is no way zoro will lose this fight, get real people! The first real fight, pacifista doesnt count, after all the hard training with the best swordsman in the world and zoro will lose? You guys dissapoint me, plus everybody left, if zoro loses he wouldnt be able to go back to surface, zoro doesnt have an ability, being underwater is not a handicap, not being able to use the 3 sword would be. Luffy is handicapped in the water and look what he did with that kraken… zoro will not lose, stop with this non sense
Do you legitimately believe that zoro does not have any handicaps at all?
@Mr.:
I'm really tired of the generic angry mob. Are they all really so dumb to unanimously assume that Luffy and the others kidnapped the other mermaids?
They hurt our mayor!
They defied God!
They tried to assassinate Iceburg!
They kidnapped the mermaids!STFU
I mean, i kind of give them credit since a big bad pirate crew just showed up as shit went down so it makes some sense but I agree in the sense that it does get old to read. As soon as the mermaids got kidnapped i was like oh god damnit ahahah
Zoro owns Hodi without pills.
And then Hodi uses pills and fight Luffy.
I think the monster trio is going to fight Van der Beeken, Hodi and Caribou.
This is something i pictured. I don't see Zoro KOing Hodi, or Hodi KOing zoro. Something will stop this fight Oda-Style be it neptunes army or what not.
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It was salt, and Brook was the only one who knew that weakness.
But he hasn't done anything important ever since he became a Strawhat.
He isn't a strawhat that long, but still..Well, he had no time to do anything big. Pretty much right after he joined they got split up.
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I think Oda is holding off on Brook just to build our excitement. When things happen in One Piece I feel Oda really knows what we must be thinking and the type of things we want. So when Brook gets his one on one this arc I expect it to blow us away. It's just a matter of time.
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I'll cite Sanji holding his breath for quite some time at Arlong Park while getting wailed on by that Tuna Fishman.
And that 10 minutes is with all focus going to holding breath, not to fighting or swimming.
Furthermore if we're bringing real world into this, after 7 minutes of that kind of Oxygen deprivation, you start to get brain damage.
Okay, no one respond to that, real world has nothing to do with One Piece.**I believe the world record for holding your breath underwater is close to 20 minutes.
I know we shouldn't bring focus too much on real life here, but if someone in our world can do it for 20 minutes Zoro should have no problem holding his breath for at least as long. It all depends on Oda though.**
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Seeing Megalo's uncomfortable expressions to him vomiting the princess up, I couldn't help but remember Lenny, from Shark Tale.
Apologies to anyone else who noticed the similarities and posted before me.
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I don't think not being able to breath will be an issue at all until Hodi intentionally hits Zoro so he opens his mouth.
Don't think its crazy that at this point in the series Zoro&Sanji can hold their breath for so long that it will basically be a non issue any time they are moving underwater.
Fully expect the fodder fishman to give us an enel/oh shit its shanks style "WTF moment" when they realize Zoro is taking them out and facing their boss without even showing signs he is about to run out of air.
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**I believe the world record for holding your breath underwater is close to 20 minutes.
I know we shouldn't bring focus too much on real life here, but if someone in our world can do it for 20 minutes Zoro should have no problem holding his breath for at least as long. It all depends on Oda though.**
But he's gonna fight… It wouldn't be too illogic that someone in One Piece can hold his breath for a long time, but while fighting, it's another story...
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But he's gonna fight… It wouldn't be too illogic that someone in One Piece can hold his breath for a long time, but while fighting, it's another story...
You'd have a point if Zoro wasn't s superhuman that makes other superhumans look like fodder.
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I don't think not being able to breath will be an issue at all until Hodi intentionally hits Zoro so he opens his mouth.
Don't think its crazy that at this point in the series Zoro&Sanji can hold their breath for so long that it will basically be a non issue any time they are moving underwater.
Fully expect the fodder fishman to give us an enel/oh shit its shanks style "WTF moment" when they realize Zoro is taking them out and facing their boss without even showing signs he is about to run out of air.
I can see this happening. Zoro powning all the fodders in an instant and only Hodi is left standing.
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You'd have a point if Zoro wasn't s superhuman that makes other superhumans look like fodder.
If he's that superhuman, then he needs a LOT of oxygen. But yeah, it's pointless.
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I'm pretty sure something will happen that will interrupt the fight between Hodi & Zoro. Both characters just cant be allowed to loose at this point of the arc.
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Cool chapter. Zoro is awesome as always. I'm guessing some sort of distraction will end their fight prematurely. It's too soon for either Hody or Zoro to get beat up, and I don't expect Zoro to just flat out run away even if he is running out of air. So I'm banking on some outside interference/freak accident/sudden circumstance that halts the action after showcasing a few cool moves.
Edit: Guess I'm not alone in that assumption.
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**I believe the world record for holding your breath underwater is close to 20 minutes.
I know we shouldn't bring focus too much on real life here, but if someone in our world can do it for 20 minutes Zoro should have no problem holding his breath for at least as long. It all depends on Oda though.**
**According to AIDA, the record for the longest breath hold is owned by Tom Sietas at 9 minutes 8 seconds which he accomplished in Hamburg, Germany in 2007.
http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/long56.html**
But…....Although David Blaine's record is recognized by Guinness, it is not recognized by the free diving community due to the fact that he spent 23 minutes breathing pure oxygen before his attempt.
Putting it simply the fight might seem dragged out but the emphasis will probably be it took no more then a min of real time - I have a feeling Hodi will come off a little worse - Decide to take pills but then something else happens to make their battle be called off.
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**I believe the world record for holding your breath underwater is close to 20 minutes.
I know we shouldn't bring focus too much on real life here, but if someone in our world can do it for 20 minutes Zoro should have no problem holding his breath for at least as long. It all depends on Oda though.**
i really doubt its quite that high
and i really doubt that the record holder was fighting at the same timenone of it is a problem to me, realism has no true place in one piece. its a fantasy adventure story after all
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i really doubt its quite that high
and i really doubt that the record holder was fighting at the same timenone of it is a problem to me, realism has no true place in one piece. its a fantasy adventure story after all
You have to spend some time breathing higher oxygen content - fills your blood up with enough to sustain you with little movement or trouble - I reckon the battle will be pretty quick but probably the next chapter will not conclude it - just to keep people pissed off lol
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Sanji would be able to defeat all those fishmen underwater and be back in time for dinner so zoro should probably have a good chance of making it back without sustaining any dangerous injuries (although i'm betting zoro gets poisoned so that luffy's immunity can come in handy, and then probably gets payback from hyouzou during the real fight when all the strawhats come together).
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It makes me wonder if land-based fishman karate is not about manipulating air currents, but manipulating the water in people's bodies.
You mean like waterbending? Sorry I just couldn't help but make that reference.
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What I love about Zoro's current predicament is that is really could go any way! Is Zoro badass enough to beat a sharkman under water? He did train with the world's best after all, who's to say that even the power of a fishman underwater could overmatch that? Then again, Hodi seems pretty powerful in his own right, and with all the strengths he's shown his full abilities are still unknown. I don't remember when I've seen a match like this. Any outcome could make sense here and still turn out great.
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I just noticed Usopp's Vileplume doubles as a tear gas. That's pretty awesome and could be majorly helpful in all his later battles.
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I just noticed Usopp's Vileplume doubles as a tear gas. That's pretty awesome and could be majorly helpful in all his later battles.
I think the word you're looking for is Rafflesia arnoldii, from which Vileplume is based off from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafflesia_arnoldiiIt emits a repulsive odor similar to attract pollinating flies since there are no native bees where it lives.
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Usopp's last cover page showed that he was actually faster than fish underwater. I wonder if it is a hint that Usopp will fight a NFP underwater as well.
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I just noticed Usopp's Vileplume doubles as a tear gas. That's pretty awesome and could be majorly helpful in all his later battles.
I like how Hodi said" how childish.. haha
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Usopp's last cover page showed that he was actually faster than fish underwater. I wonder if it is a hint that Usopp will fight a NFP underwater as well.
Random cover pages outside of cover stories don't mean anything.
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I just noticed Usopp's Vileplume doubles as a tear gas. That's pretty awesome and could be majorly helpful in all his later battles.
So… he's becoming more like a Pokemon trainer? With all those Grass-types, he better watch out for fire.
Ah, I can't believe I went there...
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Usopp's last cover page showed that he was actually faster than fish underwater. I wonder if it is a hint that Usopp will fight a NFP underwater as well.
That would make my year but i doubt he can shoot explosives under water. He should have stayed and helped Zoro.
I like how Hodi said" how childish.. haha
Me too especially how all his men were completely incapacitated. If Zoro was that kind of guy he could have taken them all out in that moment. Maybe if they were marines they would have.
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@No:
Random cover pages outside of cover stories don't mean anything.
Not to mention the fact that those weren't even fish. They were otters.
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So… he's becoming more like a Pokemon trainer? With all those Grass-types, he better watch out for fire.
Ah, I can't believe I went there...
But that also means he has an advantage over water, the fishmen.
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Great chapter!! Zoro FTW!!
And its official, Hodi is a grade A douchebag!! >:(
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Thanks a lot for the chap
nice one, but oda is very slow, he should end this arc quickly lol, I wanna see the strawhats @ The new world with their new crewmate..
Jimbei? Hodi? (and I would like to see what wud happen to Cariboo)
Ps: My sig is sexeeeeeeeeeeey :D
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@DEE:
but oda is very slow, he should end this arc quickly
I think not, this arc's just begun.
Plus it's been hyped for years, so Oda most likely wants to do it expectionally well.
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@Mr.:
Well we don't know for sure if he did any underwater training.
remember how much sanji hated the okamas on kamabakka island? ya he probably tried swimming away from them too >.>
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You might be right about how Arlong could have gotten significantly weaker during is tyrant year at arlong park (not the forum) and I think it's also entirely possible that part of the reason he lost or at least lost so easily is that he thought he could never be beaten by a human and underestimated Luffy. Looking back on that fight he seems to either be screwing around with Luffy treating him like he wasn't an actual threat or blinded by rage. Part of the reason I'd sort of like to see him come back is to see how he could handle a rematch after two years to get back into shape.
Where was it stated that he was considered even close to Jinbei's strength though? Could you provide a link?
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2142-9/one-piece/chapter-69.html
This is the reference I was talking about. It's one of those confusing translations that you will see done 10 different ways if you look at 10 different scanlation sites (not sure what stephen and viz's are).
Perhaps saying that Arlong was ever Jinbei's equal was a little silly but as I mentioned even if that were true we don't know the details. So, theoretically, we could be talking about the children versions of Arlong/Jinbei before either hit their stride and Jinbei fulfilled his more impressive potential.
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http://www.mangareader.net/103-2142-9/one-piece/chapter-69.html
This is the reference I was talking about. It's one of those confusing translations that you will see done 10 different ways if you look at 10 different scanlation sites (not sure what stephen and viz's are).
Perhaps saying that Arlong was ever Jinbei's equal was a little silly but as I mentioned even if that were true we don't know the details. So, theoretically, we could be talking about the children versions of Arlong/Jinbei before either hit their stride and Jinbei fulfilled his more impressive potential.
You forget that Jinbe is like 20 years older than Arlong.
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I think the word you're looking for is Rafflesia arnoldii, from which Vileplume is based off from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafflesia_arnoldiiIt emits a repulsive odor similar to attract pollinating flies since there are no native bees where it lives.
Nope, the word I was looking for was Vileplume. And it makes me wonder, what is going to be his ultimate plant attack? We've seen a man eating one, and instant sea weed that was enough to hold back a volcanic eruption for a while, what could be his big bad plant move?! Some kind of Mexican fighting tree I bet.
Also I wonder if Usopp can make instant noodles and steaks now, I hope he picked up some of the food plants.
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You forget that Jinbe is like 20 years older than Arlong.
I can't forget what I never learned. Where did you hear this bit of information?
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Databooks maybe?
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I can't forget what I never learned. Where did you hear this bit of information?
Arlong is about Hatchan's age and he was only a kid in StrongWorld. Arlong could be anywhere from mid 20s to early 30s. Jinbe is in his mid 40s. 46 after the timeskip I think.
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what does age have to do with strength in One Piece?
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what does age have to do with strength in One Piece?
Experience?
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Old age doesn't equate to strength in One Piece. There are more old characters that are weak than strong in the series.
As for them being "equals", rank has nothing to do with age either.
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@DEE:
Thanks a lot for the chap
nice one, but oda is very slow, he should end this arc quickly lol, I wanna see the strawhats @ The new world with their new crewmate..
Jimbei? Hodi? (and I would like to see what wud happen to Cariboo)
Ps: My sig is sexeeeeeeeeeeey :D
disagree. Oda is keeping up the anticipation so when we do find out it will be all the more rewrding, and in the meantime we're learning important details and getting good character development.
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The idea that Arlong and Hachi are the same age is purely speculative (though it is a notion I agree with). You are right however, I was comparing Arlong and Jinbei in the sense that they were roughly the same age and growing up as training partner/rivals (Ash and Gary style).
I still don't think it's impossible that a very hungry 18 year old Arlong could challenge a more experienced late 30-something Jinbei in strength. That shit happens all the time in combative sports (not that-that has any bearing on the One Piece verse. Perhaps it is more akin to a 17 year old Luffy KOing Garp who is at least in his 50's with one punch.)
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I think not, this arc's just begun.
Plus it's been hyped for years, so Oda most likely wants to do it expectionally well.
I think it is gonna last at least a year.
I am positive that we will see Hodi's flashback when he was a slave and rescued by Fisherman tiger. Maybe, the white shark was very close to his hero and maybe he saw him die right in front of his eyes.
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The idea that Arlong and Hachi are the same age is purely speculative (though it is a notion I agree with). You are right however, I was comparing Arlong and Jinbei in the sense that they were roughly the same age and growing up as training partner/rivals (Ash and Gary style).
I still don't think it's impossible that a very hungry 18 year old Arlong could challenge a more experienced late 30-something Jinbei in strength. That shit happens all the time in combative sports (not that-that has any bearing on the One Piece verse. Perhaps it is more akin to a 17 year old Luffy KOing Garp who is at least in his 50's with one punch.)
I thought Oda made it abundantly clear that Garp took that punch on purpose. He could easily have OHKO'ed luffy at that time if he wanted to.
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And "accidentally" electrocuting Zoro as well lol.
Whats with all this Arlong 2.0 stuff?
Similarities are only:- Both Fishmen
- Both Hate humans
- Both Know same technique
Their personalities are completely different:
- Arlong never tried to take over Fishman Island, he wanted to take over the world above land not below it
- Arlong valued the lives of other fishmen, Hodi clearly does not
- Arlong had a plan, Hodi is doing what hes doing using brute strength only and is clearly not all that smart since hes taking pills that are killing him (as opposed to Arlong who is obviously smart since he made up a plan to take over the humans)
Apart from a few basic similar qualities they are quite different people (fishmen).
I agree with you that Hodi is different from Arlong, but the justifications are a little weak.
1. We don't know if Arlong would come back to take over Fishman Island. I'm thinking that Arlong needed funds for strong mercenaries and weapons, so he took over the weakest villages in East Blue. Hodi's starts off already having the funds for strong soldiers and weaponry. Hodi seems to carry on Arlong's will rather than form a new one.
2. Arlong had a limited crew, so he must value his crew members. If he had Hodi's army, he might act the same, but he didn't, so we'll never know.
3. I agree that Arlong had a better plan, and that Hodi's just winging it with force. Nonetheless, Hodi's very smart, and he's pulling off his tactics very well.
Now the real reasons Hodi is different:
1. He doesn't have the nose. He makes up for it with more strength.
2. Energy Steroids. I'm sure that'll play into his fight with Zoro.
3. More greed, less passion. When humans tried resisting Arlong's rule, Arlong got so angry he would have destroyed Cocoyashi had no fishmen stopped him. Hodi genuinely seems to grab more power than show leadership for a cause, and doesn't care who he allies with.
4. Hodi wastes resources. Arlong invests in them. Arlong made good business from conquered territories, and made deals with law enforcement to his advantage. Hodi uses humans as lumps of meat, and ignores political relationships.
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I thought Oda made it abundantly clear that Garp took that punch on purpose. He could easily have OHKO'ed luffy at that time if he wanted to.
I understand that Garp let Luffy hit him. That doesn't change the fact that he got KTFO in one hit by a 17 year old.
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I understand that Garp let Luffy hit him. That doesn't change the fact that he got KTFO in one hit by a 17 year old.
You are bloody joking, right? You really think he was going to jump back up and pwn Luffy after letting him go past? I'm also laughing at the fact that you could even think that Luffy could knock out Garp with one hit …. :getlost:
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