@Cuddles:
Sorry, I meant chill Hip-Hop, but I can give more mellow versions of Tupac a try if he has mellow stuff.
Well, there's that song he wrote about his mother..
Very moving, actually.
@Cuddles:
Sorry, I meant chill Hip-Hop, but I can give more mellow versions of Tupac a try if he has mellow stuff.
Well, there's that song he wrote about his mother..
Very moving, actually.
@Cuddles:
Sorry, I meant chill Hip-Hop, but I can give more mellow versions of Tupac a try if he has mellow stuff.
Well while I'm at it here's some mellower Tupac.
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! That's a lot, but it's a lot of good. I could post youtubes like these for days lol. There's even more chilled out hardcore hip-hop, though those get by on shadowy mood rather then chilling people out. Like noir films.
Hope you see some stuff you like in there. It's from all the hell over the 90's and 00's so I hope it shows how more common this stuff is then people might expect.
@JERK:
Well while I'm at it here's some mellower Tupac.
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! That's a lot, but it's a lot of good. I could post youtubes like these for days lol. There's even more chilled out hardcore hip-hop, though those get by on shadowy mood rather then chilling people out. Like noir films.Hope you see some stuff you like in there. It's from all the hell over the 90's and 00's so I hope it shows how more common this stuff is then people might expect.
Whoa, thanks.
I don't have time to listen to it all right now, but I will be bookmarking this post so I can come back to it over the weekend (can't listen all at once, but this looks like it will make for good listening).
Thanks again.
The only good rap from a videogame is Madworld. And maybe Afro Samurai.
Was Malmsteem already posted? Good.
I still can't stand the "lol hiphop is not music its just niggers rhyming curse words and sexist lyrics" and "metal is nothing but a bunch of crazy assholes screaming their asses off and loud overdistorted guitars lolol" crowds.
But enough about hip-hop/metal. JPOP? It's good, but only when it's coming from a Monkey Majik song (for me anyway)
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IDK if it was you, but about a year ago somebody posted a Monkey Majik video in the Forced Listening Thread with Lupin the Third and after hearing a couple more of their songs I downloaded their whole discography. I felt like westview was a little weak but still love it. Blaise Plant's solo album was extremely good. Funny since I don't really like Pop and mildly like Rock.
Wasn't me, but that's how I discovered them, actually. Blaise Plant's solo album is sex in music form.
I don't like Pop much either, but the band is just so talented. It's too bad they're not as big as they should be, and a bunch of shittier generic J-POP bands get all the fame. But oh well.
Their new RARE TRACKS album came out yesterday, too. Just downloaded it, but I pretty much had all of its songs already cept for 3 or 2, and I had the Lupin and RAINY DAYS AND MONDAYS cover converted from YouTube vids, so I added the new ones from the album for the better quality.
westview wasn't really as good as their previous material, but it has a few solid songs which are also fun to jam to (I figure them out by ear on guitar). I just wish they would go back to their indie sound, SPADE, eastview, Get Started, etc.
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I don't know. Maybe this is also silly prejudice. I have a really really hard time taking J-Rock very seriously. Maybe partially because so much of it seems to be the amazing adventures in a world where unironic Hair Metal continued to exist and Nirvana and the Stone Roses never happened.
What's some J-Rock that really does it's own thing and doesn't sound like aping of American and British stuff. Like I know there's Serbian rock that utilizes Serbian folk music, anything like that with Japan
But one thing is for sure is there's cool unique shit being made within J-Hop. The Japanese rap fandom is also very big and very important because they buy lots of stuff from talented American acts that are neglected in the US.
Some great J Rap.
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Something's been on my mind too.
Like does where you grow up and live effect how easily you take to music.
Like if you live somewhere rural and sparse like you do Cuddles, does stuff like Country, Blues, and Folk speak easier.
And if you live around big cities and lots and lots of people and stuff does music like Rap, Jazz, Electronic, and Punk Rock speak more easily to me?
@JERK:
I don't know. Maybe this is also silly prejudice. I have a really really hard time taking J-Rock very seriously. Maybe partially because so much of it seems to be the amazing adventures in a world where unironic Hair Metal continued to exist and Nirvana and the Stone Roses never happened.
What's some J-Rock that really does it's own thing and doesn't sound like aping of American and British stuff. Like I know there's Serbian rock that utilizes Serbian folk music, anything like that with Japan
But one thing is for sure is there's cool unique shit being made within J-Hop. The Japanese rap fandom is also very big and very important because they buy lots of stuff from talented American acts that are neglected in the US.
Some great J Rap.
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Been doing research on the songs nujabes was working on before he died and found out he was working luv sic part 4 and 5 with shing02. You can find a live part 4 online. Anyway a god Korean rap group is epik high. You should look at their song map the soul.
@JERK:
Something's been on my mind too.
Like does where you grow up and live effect how easily you take to music.Like if you live somewhere rural and sparse like you do Cuddles, does stuff like Country, Blues, and Folk speak easier.
And if you live around big cities and lots and lots of people and stuff does music like Rap, Jazz, Electronic, and Punk Rock speak more easily to me?
That would really make sense and explain some things, in my case. :blink:
@JERK:
I don't know. Maybe this is also silly prejudice. I have a really really hard time taking J-Rock very seriously. Maybe partially because so much of it seems to be the amazing adventures in a world where unironic Hair Metal continued to exist and Nirvana and the Stone Roses never happened.
What's some J-Rock that really does it's own thing and doesn't sound like aping of American and British stuff. Like I know there's Serbian rock that utilizes Serbian folk music, anything like that with Japan
Japan's musical developments have their own legends and major figures, but strictly speaking rock and roll, if Britian's stereotype is that they chew on American music and spit it out refined, then Japan is its goofball cousin. Japanese take on rock and roll is very much enthusiastic pastiche, or homage.
But there's actually some really legitimately amazing things in there. If to severely generalize (and I do mean quite a bit), if Britain's best refined and "improved", then Japan's best made it … charmingly undynamic in development? It's imitation, but with heart and in some ways takes it down a path of refinement in its own right. Just not in that 'advanced' sense. It's more like they loved what they saw and wanted to work with it. Several Asian and Middle Eastern areas actually followed this style of rock cycle (like the Turkish psych scene).
In terms of unique things, Japan's involvement in Noise led way to some specialized forms of rock that are pretty Japanese.
Japan's big worthwhile output is all folk variants, psychedelic, noise (as its own, rock, or otherwse), or (their favorite and unrelated to this discussion) jazz.
You mention Serbian folk-infused rock. Do you mean you'd like examples of Japanese rock utilizing its own folk elements? Are you okay with things leaning more on a folk side? Does it matter?
do you just want some kickass Japanese musicians who have their own style if anything? I can totally supply that. Be it modern strict rock and roll, fusion, folkrock, rock and roll with a pop focus, etc.
I could go elaborate further on various other people that come to mind to show off some of Japan's stuff that doesn't just sound like a popular western musician, but I don't want to get ahead of myself and babble on about stuff that's misreading intentions and also because I'm kind of really tired and apparently this is the only time i can ever post lol
@JERK:
Something's been on my mind too.
Like does where you grow up and live effect how easily you take to music.Like if you live somewhere rural and sparse like you do Cuddles, does stuff like Country, Blues, and Folk speak easier.
And if you live around big cities and lots and lots of people and stuff does music like Rap, Jazz, Electronic, and Punk Rock speak more easily to me?
Ohio probably counts as rural. I do like Country, though listening to it for too long gets on my nerves. Helps that my dad listens to it all the time.
@JERK:
Something's been on my mind too.
Like does where you grow up and live effect how easily you take to music.Like if you live somewhere rural and sparse like you do Cuddles, does stuff like Country, Blues, and Folk speak easier.
And if you live around big cities and lots and lots of people and stuff does music like Rap, Jazz, Electronic, and Punk Rock speak more easily to me?
Um, do you mean me or Chuckles? I think he's in the more rural areas.
[hide]I live in the suburbs, actually, but I find that what you listen to on the radio has a much larger influence than where you live, although where you live might give you different access to different stations. I used to listen to soft rock for twenty years because I was too lazy to change the station (and mind you I'm also a guy who HAS to have a routine, almost like Rain Man), but now I barely listen to music because I listen to NPR, because I get more of a 'reward' out of it (my story has been heavily expanded by some stories on there).
Not only that, but I find that I'm the kind of person who waits for music to be plopped in front of him before listening to it. It's sadly why my brain has a large library of Japanese theme songs and game music, but only like a small closet of 'real' music (so to speak).
To the best of my abilities, though, I'd have to guess that the environment can determine what radio stations you can get, and thus your influence in music. My dad's house only gets six stations now where he is and four of them are Gospel songs and one is a sports station. Don't know the last one. And in that same town, a highway town with a population of less than 1,000, they have like five or six churches. Take that as you will.
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Location doesn't carry nearly as much weight as it did a decade or two ago, but your location certainly has a large effect on your tastes. There are still major differences in the availability of music and the local scenes in an area as well as the general atmosphere. Thanks to fast communication and fast travel, though, it's easy to escape the pull of your location's effects on your musical taste.
I voted for Jazz but it's only because it bores me. There is a lot of Japanese jazz that I enjoy from time to time. I love electronic music unless it's Dubstep. That music is awful, I'm sorry.
I voted for Jazz but it's only because it bores me. There is a lot of Japanese jazz that I enjoy from time to time. I love electronic music unless it's Dubstep. That music is awful, I'm sorry.
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Also in response to my last post, I don't want to get too heavily into "is this unique or not" thing. Like, regardless of whether some dudes are aping another dude's style
If they're doing it really well that's all I care about
And I like HAPPY END and some of Japan's 60s mainstream output just as much as I do any other A+ groups from the era, I think of it more like accompaniment than intrusion
But maybe that's also misreading your sentiments dunno
It's just like when I'm down in Georgia (a sentence I will never be saying again in a few weeks time) like when just bopping around in the sweat, seeing the old Savannah houses and swamp shacks suddenly Lynyrd Skynyrd sounds even better.
When I'm up driving through New Haven along the I-95 in winter, it's when Billy Joel sounds best.
Maybe I'm just super sensitive to the little details of my surroundings or something I dunno.
That sort of thing.
Also I challenge anyone to listen to A Love Supreme and not instantly "get" jazz if they didn't before.
@JERK:
What's some J-Rock that really does it's own thing and doesn't sound like aping of American and British stuff. Like I know there's Serbian rock that utilizes Serbian folk music, anything like that with Japan
But one thing is for sure is there's cool unique shit being made within J-Hop. The Japanese rap fandom is also very big and very important because they buy lots of stuff from talented American acts that are neglected in the US.
I don't want to overclassify this as Japanese rock that is doing its own thing, as they are very open about being influenced by Western music, but I feel like they have enough of a style (well, they used to) to be close to that. I don't think this is up your alley, but they used to experiment a lot (not sure if these tracks show that). Kinda pretentious at times.
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They've done some rock versions of old enka songs and stuff, kinda like the Serbian thing. I usually dislike J-rock, though. Agree on the hip-hop part, there are some really talented underground acts over here.
On a related note, another good source of really JAPANESE rock music that actually has its own flavor is Shutoku Mukai projects (Number Girl, Zazen Boys) because he has a really keen interest in Buddhist imagery, chants (almost like a buddhist monk rap), repeated motifs, "Oriental" pentatonic scales, etc. These get more pronounced in his later material (Zazen Boys) but sadly despite him/his music being really well known (he's like a Thurston Moore I guess) it's so unique in Japanese music that there isn't much of a "culture" surrounding his stuff. Either nobody tries and/or nobody can come close so he's kind of a monolith. Good stuff though.
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It's really hard to get this across in a way that is meaningful to people who don't understand Japanese, since it's so ingrained in the lyrics they write and that's usually the last thing a foreigner can appreciate about such a band, but there are a few music videos on youtube with subtitles
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They fall under the murky waters of electronic. Subgenre filing is a nightmare in there.
I don't know, there are pretty clear differences. If you're going to categorize it all into "electronic", than there's a lot you're skipping. That would be like saying metal, punk, hardrock, classic rock and rockabilly are all "rock".
Of course there are electronic genres that are very hard to classify, house dance and elektro all intertwine, but I'd say dubstep and drum 'n bass are pretty distinct.
ho ho ho, here we go.
…and I was actually starting to like you for a while.
@JERK:
No you don't get it. It is music, you don't get to decide this about it. It's not a subjective thing.
In fact it's downright stupid to even assert such a thing.
You cannot defend such a position. It's literally impossible. Drop it.
Music is art. Art is subjective.
I'm not exactly saying that my opinion on it is fact so you shouldn't be getting your panties in such a bunch about it. I said that I don't really view much in the way of hip-hop as music and you referred to Death Metal as a joke.
I had dropped it. Your bringing it back up.
Because you are coming from a genre that gets the same bullshit thrown at it, and are amusingly failing to see any irony.
I'm not really bothered by the "bullshit" that gets thrown at my genre. I gave a defence about harsher vocals from my own views but if anyone chose not to listen to it I couldn't give two shits.
Actually.
A. My thread.
B. My rules in thread.
C. My choice to easily pull strings and have you thread kicked for pretty legit reasons.
But, no, I want you to stay here. It's nice to have a big glaring example of everything this thread shouldn't be yammering away.
What legit reasons? Typing in small sentences? Christ. No need to throw all your toys out of the pram. You said and I quote:
"So be honest and answer the poll regardless of whether you know your feelings are irrational or unfair. Just answer honestly.
Don't answer if you don't honestly hate any of the poll options please."
So I did. Don't get at me because you don't agree with me. How about try to post some examples like Wagomu had the common decency to do.
Believe it or not I am actually here to learn about other styles as well. I've quite enjoyed a number of examples people have given for other genres so far. I've not tried to push my genre on anyone who said they weren't interested but I've given tips to a few people who said they were on the fence.
I listen to hip-hop almost ENTIRELY for the musical aspect. I rarely care about lyrics.
Good for you I guess?
Are you fucking kidding me???
Instrumental hip-hop is not only a sub-genre it's one of THE strongest sub-genres in hip-hop. I could post literally thousands of examples of great songs. Entire hip-hop artists are celebrated for their beats and people will quickly buy instrumental albums.
If it's anything like the stuff that Wagomu posted then I already gave some views on that. Excuse me for not being aware of a sub-genre of a style of music I have little to no interest about.
This is what pisses me the fuck off about you. You have no goddamn idea what this thread is for.
This isn't the COME AND BITCH ABOUT YOUR RIGHTEOUS RAGE AGAINST GENRE X.
You make it sound as if I've been on a hip-hop hating, metal preaching rampage. In all honestly, I've been fairly indifferent to hip-hop in here.
This is the confess your honest feelings toward genres while keeping an open mind to understanding why others like them and how you might get around your prejudices.
So how about show me some examples rather than getting in a hissy fit like a fucking twelve year old. Of course I'm open minded, jesus if you could see my music collection. How about try to change my mind with some examples instead of being a stuck up, self-righteous asshole. I admitted that I don't really get that whole scene and a lot of people have tried to get me into it over the years but I just don't get the spark from it that I do other music.
You are so deeply stupidly ingrained in your hate that you do the worst goddamn thing. You assume you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Again, I'd just call it indifference. I haven't been rampaging about in here like, well, like you have right now against me.
You have no idea about how stupid you sound right now saying something like
"Try muting the vocals in your average hip-hop track and see how interesting THAT is to listen to."
"But this…this I absolutely cannot see how it's possible to musically enjoy something like this. And not because of any kind of being offended, but god help me, above all else because.. ..because it's like a huge joke! This has got to be a joke! The singing I mean. it's certainly making me laugh....it's just you're kidding me right?!"
It's like saying "hey man try hearing a rock song with no singing and just s guitar playing, lame right?".
It's a huge facet of the genre and you are 100% clueless about it. You are not an expert. Do not think we're wrong. We aren't. Learn from this thread when others are talking, and stop trying to act like you know anything.
Except I know I'm ignorant, which is why it's all phrased as a query, ending with (which you were dumb enough to quote lol) "Wagomu help!".
I'm asking people who know what the fuck what they think.
Another reason that I asked for help to reaffirm that rock wasn't going down the shitter (thanks for the examples Wagomu, some good shit there. That Devil's Blood track was fantastic. Definitely gonna look for more). I never claimed to know everything about Hip-Hop but I honestly hate it and I gave the reason why like you asked. Your not putting up your end of the bargain by trying to sway me otherwise.
You're just dropping in and shitting on something and getting pissy about it.
Again, sorry mate but that would be you. I wasn't getting pissy in the slightest. You asked to keep it civil in this thread and you are the one (not surprisingly) to fly off the handle first.
None of those genres in the poll is hateable. That's why these damn flamewars begin…
@Mrs.:
I don't know, there are pretty clear differences. If you're going to categorize it all into "electronic", than there's a lot you're skipping. That would be like saying metal, punk, hardrock, classic rock and rockabilly are all "rock".
Of course there are electronic genres that are very hard to classify, house dance and elektro all intertwine, but I'd say dubstep and drum 'n bass are pretty distinct.
I said 'murky waters' fully aware of that. There's so much lumped into electronic on top of the already high amount of small distinctions between sounds that define its various 'subgenres'.
Why does hip hop always have hate?
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I said 'murky waters' fully aware of that. There's so much lumped into electronic on top of the already high amount of small distinctions between sounds that define its various 'subgenres'.
Well, then it's pretty ridiculous "electronic" is an option in the poll, considering it's such a broad genre, same goes for rock. The only difference is no one voted for rock, because everyone knows a kind of rock they like, whereas people who voted for electronic probably don't even know what they're talking about. I think saying "I don't like electronical music" is like saying "I don't like cartoons", it proves you probably haven't even bothered trying to listen to more than two songs.
I like em all.
There's certain aspects of rap, and certain aspects of metal I dislike, but I don't hate the entire genre. (With metal i love the instrumental, but not so much the throat tearing vocals used by a large chunk of the genre.)
And I live in Texas, pretty much just have to accept Country as a part of life.
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If you visit Bulgaria, you'll find the lowest of the low - chalga (or pop folk).
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If you visit Bulgaria, you'll find the lowest of the low - chalga (or pop folk).
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@Mrs.:
Well, then it's pretty ridiculous "electronic" is an option in the poll, considering it's such a broad genre, same goes for rock. The only difference is no one voted for rock, because everyone knows a kind of rock they like, whereas people who voted for electronic probably don't even know what they're talking about. I think saying "I don't like electronical music" is like saying "I don't like cartoons", it proves you probably haven't even bothered trying to listen to more than two songs.
It's hard to compare electronic to rock in that way. While punk and metal can be connected to rock, they are big and diverse enough to constitute their own genres. On the other hand, electronic doesn't have that. The subgenres don't really have much holding them together besides electronic sound manipulation. That's the only factor that ties things like these together:
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Unfortunately, there's no other place for a lot of it, so it gets lumped into that ambiguous blob of a genre and is accepted as such. Genres fundamentally exist to generalize large groups of music for the sake of sorting, so it serves its purpose, but it could definitely use some cleaning up.
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…and I was actually starting to like you for a while.
"And then I got called out on my lazy assumptions, that was the end of that…"
Music is art. Art is subjective.
lollllll, not in the sense you're talking about.
It's not even like hip-hop is a fucking stretch.
People who invoke the subjectivity of art are expressing how boundless it can be. You're invoking it to clam it up and shrink it, way to misuse a phrase and concept.
Also it would be hilarious to see you try and come up with a personal definition of music that excludes Hip-Hop. Mainly because it would be impossible.
I'm not exactly saying that my opinion on it is fact so you shouldn't be getting your panties in such a bunch about it.
Oh but you are.
There's a vast difference between "I don't like" or "I hate" and "ITS NOT MUSIC".
I said that I don't really view much in the way of hip-hop as music and you referred to Death Metal as a joke.
I referred to a specific vocal style from a specific sub-genre of a larger genre that I have taken the time to research as to know exactly what niche of the huge genre it is that I have issues with, as being funny to me and I don't get how it's taken seriously. And then asked the local master of the genre for help on explaining this to me, as is the whole point of this thread.
You took a huge massive genre you have unquestionably never spent a single texas shit into researching or understanding, and completely banished it from music.
This is like trying to compare someone who wants to know if they can get over the prejudice they feel toward a certain culture, and a Klansmen.
I had dropped it. Your bringing it back up.
There is no "dropped", this thread is for opening your mind.
I'm not really bothered by the "bullshit" that gets thrown at my genre. I gave a defence about harsher vocals from my own views but if anyone chose not to listen to it I couldn't give two shits.
Of course you do otherwise you wouldn't have defended it.
"So be honest and answer the poll regardless of whether you know your feelings are irrational or unfair. Just answer honestly.
Don't answer if you don't honestly hate any of the poll options please."
Did you read the whole thing?
Here's a better question, did you understand any of it at all?
Did you really think I made a thread for just hating on genres? Why the hell would I do that.
So I did. Don't get at me because you don't agree with me. How about try to post some examples like Wagomu had the common decency to do.
I have to the people who have displayed even the slightest sense of what the thread is about. Cuddles in the Dark got a huge slathering of vids.
What Wagomu did was correcting a pure and utter factual error on your part. He hasn't tried to point for point explain anything to you.
You are showing zero care for learning.
How the hell do you teach someone to appreciate or at least understand why others like a form of music, when they've already denied it of being music?
Believe it or not I am actually here to learn about other styles as well.
But not Hip-Hop of course. Because it's not music.
If it's anything like the stuff that Wagomu posted then I already gave some views on that. Excuse me for not being aware of a sub-genre of a style of music I have little to no interest about.
That's exactly it. You still don't even believe that you're wrong. This is a fucking confessional thread. This is a goddamned AA meeting.
"Help, I don't get Death Metal. Help me out."
You already assume you know everything about a genre even though you've never looked into it whatsoever and have already concluded your thoughts.
Your arrogance is disgusting.
Don't tell me you were "not aware", tell me the truth "I don't know anything about this genre". You can not like it all you want. But it's the arrogance and presumptions and stubbornly closed mind that made you get this shit from me.
You make it sound as if I've been on a hip-hop hating, metal preaching rampage. In all honestly, I've been fairly indifferent to hip-hop in here.
You said it wasn't music.
So how about show me some examples rather than getting in a hissy fit like a fucking twelve year old.
You need to get over fundamentally retarded concepts in your head before I even bother.
You need to acknowledge two thing.
1. That you don't know anything about it.
2. That it is music.
You should be the humble one here by very virtue of position.
I am cowering in wonder and curiosity at Wagomu's clear passion for the genre and all he seems to know. As well as Holy's thoughts.
When you walk into these genres you are the bitch. Not the conquerer.
Of course I'm open minded,
No you're not lolll.
This is exactly why you're hopeless until you can admit to those two things. You're so completely disrespecting of hip-hop that you don't even seem to think it's complete and utter exclusion in all essence from your musical concsious has any effect on a claim toward being open minded
Why?
Because it's hip-hop man! It doesn't count!
- Yep, 100% clueless about it. Never claimed not to be
One down. And now, riddle me this, how the hell can a genre you are 100% clueless about possibly be judged by you in the biggest of ways possible. As qualifying as music.
- Not an expert, even with metal. Never professed to be one. Neither are you, mind.
Of Metal? No shit sherlock.
Or do you mean hip-hop? I'd say I am.
Again, sorry mate but that would be you. I wasn't getting pissy in the slightest. You asked to keep it civil in this thread and you are the one (not surprisingly) to fly off the handle first.
I very calmly told you "don't do this, it's dumb" with your "not music" post. Whereupon you rebuffed me and whined about how you'd do whatever you like.
I personally hate rap music and love rock. But not like aerosmith or kiss, they suck. Im talking grunge and punk, and metal but metal i guess aint rock. No glam metal, that just really pisses me off. Anyway, the thing is, i actually do like rap music, but I hate it with a passion. I don't know what's with me lol, I guess it's more just eminem and kanye and kid cudi that I listen to, even tho im black. But yea it's like I'd listen to it and like it but I still say I hate rap for some reason….....
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now we're playing with power, super power
I personally hate rap music and love rock. But not like aerosmith or kiss, they suck. Im talking grunge and punk, and metal but metal i guess aint rock. No glam metal, that just really pisses me off. Anyway, the thing is, i actually do like rap music, but I hate it with a passion. I don't know what's with me lol, I guess it's more just eminem and kanye and kid cudi that I listen to, even tho im black. But yea it's like I'd listen to it and like it but I still say I hate rap for some reason….....
Hey tori22 how was banland.
Modern Country and Folk has a high percentage of incredibly dumb binge and party songs in German. That is the only kind of music that I have the immediate urge to turn it off when I hear it. Even if I'm dead drunk I cannot stand it. I also loath Hip Hop when it has dull gangster lyrics. Especially if it's in German and I actually understand the crap that comes out of their mouths. Music centered around lyrics and how they are performed should have good lyrics.
Edit: I just saw some of the suff I mean is called house. Maybe you should add that option to the poll.
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Hey tori22 how was banland.
Why does every1 think im tori? 1 person said it and then everyone started saying it like wuz there an announcement or something saying "Gomu gomu no minigun" is really tori22, why, because we just think he is! However ive been to banland on another forum, sucks ass.
Why does every1 think im tori? 1 person said it and then everyone started saying it like wuz there an announcement or something saying "Gomu gomu no minigun" is really tori22, why, because we just think he is! However ive been to banland on another forum, sucks ass.
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Really how are we even similar everyone just keeps bringing this topic up and its like everyone thinks that im this guy. Please can everyone stop i think the admins are going to believe these silly theories and then im going to get banned.
probably nobody will miss you either way
If it smells like absolutely nonsensical frustrating stance, it's probably tori22.
Better to be safe.
Why does every1 think im tori?
Probably because you are were.
Its kind of like when Juju tries to pretend he's someone new.
Thank you, Robby.
On-topic, I'm pretty conflicted on whether or not I should choose Country or Metal. I really could care less for both, but there are some exceptions, like Judas Priest and Metallica. But I might just choose Metal, since I'm starting to see more crappy metal music. I'm talking about that gluttural, rambling shit you hear on the iPods of wannabe emo rockers. Can't tolerate it.
EDIT:Nah, fuck it. I'm voting country.
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wrong Honestly, I challenge the ap community to find something worse than this. I actually think Its impossible.
When I saw that there were more likes than dislikes, I lost all hope for the future.
@JERK:
"And then I got called out on my lazy assumptions, that was the end of that…"
"Look at me, I'm arguing! …on the internet! For the sake of it!"
Also it would be hilarious to see you try and come up with a personal definition of music that excludes Hip-Hop. Mainly because it would be impossible.
There's a vast difference between "I don't like" or "I hate" and "ITS NOT MUSIC".
In fairness, I did reread my first two posts and I suppose I may have come off a bit "HURR I THINK THIS IZ FACT" but I was being somewhat brief. I didn't really intend to be read that way. Maybe I should reword somewhat.
I can't stand hip-hop music. Absolutely hate it and I've never had the spark from it that I get from any other genre. To me, personally I can't really define what people find musically satisfying in it.
Your going to say I'm backtracking but honestly I'm not. It was a bad choice of words taken the wrong way.
I referred to a specific vocal style from a specific sub-genre of a larger genre that I have taken the time to research as to know exactly what niche of the huge genre it is that I have issues with, as being funny to me and I don't get how it's taken seriously. And then asked the local master of the genre for help on explaining this to me, as is the whole point of this thread.
Which, fair enough I didn't do with your precious genre but I did ask for help reaffirming my faith in Rock which I thought was becoming somewhat of a dried out husk. He sent me some good stuff with some bands I hadn't heard of and I'm definitely going to buy a couple of albums from some of them.
There is no "dropped", this thread is for opening your mind.
Then why the fuck did you say "drop it?"
Of course you do otherwise you wouldn't have defended it.
To a degree, but at least I posted some examples. If after that they said that it wasn't for them then fine.
Did you read the whole thing?
Here's a better question, did you understand any of it at all?
Did you really think I made a thread for just hating on genres? Why the hell would I do that.
Condescending to the maximum degree.
Yeah I did read it, Yeah I DID understand all of it. I'm not hating on the genre and I hadn't so much has talked about hip-hop since you dredged it back up. I didn't exactly say OMG U HAV NO TAEST IN MOOSIC whenever Hip-hop was mentioned thereafter.
What Wagomu did was correcting a pure and utter factual error on your part. He hasn't tried to point for point explain anything to you
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and I'm bloody glad he did. I had honestly never heard of the sub-genre before or thought about it in that way.
You are showing zero care for learning.
Apart from I admitted to being wrong about the instrumental hip-hop stuff and gave my comments. Even so, you can't just magically expect me to love the genre in three youtube clips. I suppose your a huge death-metal fan now after Wagomu left you that eye opening post back on page 3.
That's exactly it. You still don't even believe that you're wrong. This is a fucking confessional thread. This is a goddamned AA meeting.
"Help, I don't get Death Metal. Help me out."
You already assume you know everything about a genre even though you've never looked into it whatsoever and have already concluded your thoughts.
Of course I believe I'm wrong on that part. I admitted to it. I never assumed to know everything about the genre. I am sorry though. As I said, this whole thing was bad wording and a huge misunderstanding caused on my part.
Don't tell me you were "not aware", tell me the truth "I don't know anything about this genre". You can not like it all you want.
Did. Am doing so again now.
But it's the arrogance and presumptions and stubbornly closed mind that made you get this shit from me.
This "shit" as you put it isn't always the best way to come across in these situations. I could easily just be pushed further from stuff like this, thinking "oh, god damn. If this is is the kind of music that a pretentious, stuck up, condescending asshole like HIM listens to then I really don't want to be a part of it."
I'm not saying that but I could easily see people thinking it. You do have one hell of a superiority complex and that should be evident enough to anyone who has read any number of your posts.
You need to get over fundamentally retarded concepts in your head before I even bother.
You need to acknowledge two thing.1. That you don't know anything about it.
2. That it is music.
1. Nope. Never even slightly said that I did
2. My bad choice of words
You should be the humble one here by very virtue of position.
I am cowering in wonder and curiosity at Wagomu's clear passion for the genre and all he seems to know. As well as Holy's thoughts.
When you walk into these genres you are the bitch. Not the conquerer.
Of course. Still, I honestly wonder about how much you would have let it all slip by if I hadn't ratted on the genre which you represent. To say that hip-hop wasn't music is just as bad as some people saying that Jazz was boring, blues was dull or metal was all screaming and shouting.
No you're not lolll.
This is exactly why you're hopeless until you can admit to those two things. You're so completely disrespecting of hip-hop that you don't even seem to think it's complete and utter exclusion in all essence from your musical concsious has any effect on a claim toward being open minded
So just because I don't like hip hop I'm not open minded enough to enjoy, classical (all periods), world, folk, jazz, blues, funk, soul, rock, minimalism, rock, electronic, punk. Even if I don't have much of a feeling towards hip-hop, my minds more open than it is closed. Don't assume you know everything about me from just a few stupid posts which I worded fairly badly.
Why?
Because it's hip-hop man! It doesn't count!
Never said that. Never said anything to that degree. Really, stop looking for a fight.
Of Metal? No shit sherlock.
Or do you mean hip-hop? I'd say I am.
I know a lot about metal and all of it's sub-genres but honestly, I'd never be big headed enough to call myself an expert on it. To be fair I think that only Wagomu is capable of being referred to as anything close to an expert around these parts.
I very calmly told you "don't do this, it's dumb" with your "not music" post. Whereupon you rebuffed me and whined about how you'd do whatever you like.
You left a vague, condescending post. I thought you were bitching about me using short sentences with the whole "Don't.Do.This.Shit.People.". Thats what I mean't by I'll post how I want.
Maybe if what you said wasn't so vague that misunderstanding wouldn't have happened.
Look, I've admitted I was wrong and that I'd worded shit really badly. I'd much rather start over from scratch rather than argue this into oblivion. Show me what I'm missing rather than just ranting for the sake of it. What should I be listening for? What constitutes good hip-hop to you? Like most people against extreme metals, I honestly don't know how to listen to it. Please tell me.
I'd be best friends with metal and party with him and his different forms.
Classical would bore me with his long boring stories. Pop I'd probably get angry and want to start a fight with. Everyone else are pretty cool dudes I'd get along with.
I can think of another genre that I've just never been fond of and that's gospel/gospel rock. It has nothing to do with my views on my religion just more with it sounds "meh" to me.
It's hard to compare electronic to rock in that way. While punk and metal can be connected to rock, they are big and diverse enough to constitute their own genres. On the other hand, electronic doesn't have that. The subgenres don't really have much holding them together besides electronic sound manipulation. That's the only factor that ties things like these together:
Unfortunately, there's no other place for a lot of it, so it gets lumped into that ambiguous blob of a genre and is accepted as such. Genres fundamentally exist to generalize large groups of music for the sake of sorting, so it serves its purpose, but it could definitely use some cleaning up.
Though I agree with you on the latter part, I have to disagree with you saying electronic doesn't have the diversity to have subgenres which constitute a genre of their own. You would know better if you'd listen to more electronic music, and that is my biggest problem; people judge too fast about things they don't know.
And I want to make clear that I really don't care about the genre-naming or classifying. It's just when things are taken too generally, people will be prejudiced and not even bother to try and approve of the music, because they stuck it in their heads that "I don't like electronic music". So when you tell them about music you like, and you say it's an electronic genre, they'll repeat that and won't bother to try and listen to it or like it. Same goes for classical.
I never said it lacked the diversity, just that it lacked the cohesion.