I think you're giving your average 6-12 year old a whole lot more credit than they deserve. :I
One Piece On The Vortexx Yay or Nay.
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I think you're giving your average 6-12 year old a whole lot more credit than they deserve. :I
I don't think I am. Kids are smarter than people on the internet like to imagine possible.
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I just don't think your average kid in that demographic really cares to read into an edit like the Popo one, it might strike them a bit odd for a moment, but then they're on to something else. It's just cartoons to them, it's whatev.
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I just don't think your average kid in that demographic really cares to read into an edit like the Popo one, it might strike them a bit odd for a moment, but then they're on to something else. It's just cartoons to them, it's whatev.
Didn't say they'd go into all that. I just said they'd definately find it odd. I found the riceball/donut thing odd but in the long run I didn't care either.
I bet the ratings are high due to Sonic Colors and stuff.
Well yeah. He's a pretty popular video gaming icon so it makes sense.
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It's only the hardcore fans that really care about Blue Popo. I didn't think it was a big deal.
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Agreed, and those fans typically buy the uncut DVDs anyhow. I say edit away, as long as there is effort to not be embarrassing. To be honest, one of the things that made me give One Piece a second look and eventually ended up getting hooked was just this fascination with the trainwreck that was the 4kids version. I still to this day have yet to see such a shoddy handling of a property before, to the point where it felt almost malicious.
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Agreed, and those fans typically buy the uncut DVDs anyhow. I say edit away, as long as there is effort to not be embarrassing. To be honest, one of the things that made me give One Piece a second look and eventually ended up getting hooked was just this fascination with the trainwreck that was the 4kids version. I still to this day have yet to see such a shoddy handling of a property before, to the point where it felt almost malicious.
Honestly, I'm thinking this is how I got into One Piece in the long run as well. I looked into it more and more and found out that the only reason 4kids picked the show up was because it was marketed as a kids show in Japan. They didn't watch it, know anything about the story, the manga, the characters, it's adult-like themes and elements at all. They knew it was popular and for kids and that was enough for them.
Same thing with Sonic X. The rep who picked it up didn't play the games, read the comics, or watch any of the old shows.
I'm wondering how they've managed to last as long as they have really. It's a sinking ship currently but still.
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I dunno, I think that the real apex of the Pirates film craze was in full effect when they licensed it. I'm willing to bet they thought "hey it's a cartoon about pirates, pirates are in right now, we'll print money" at first. It's all bout dem toy sales.
As to how they've lasted so long as a company: two things
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Because Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon gave them enough money to screw up as they wished till now.
Edit: Darn. Too late.
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lol hivemind going on
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Heheh. You guys are funny. I can definately see that being the case though.
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Didn't Funimation's blog say that in late February they'll announce a show coming to their channel that had fans wanting it to be back on TV for a while? We should be hearing something soon…
That actually makes me happy… as a Sonic fan. As a person who isn't a fan of 4kids though... Sigh
Doesn't matter. Sonic X is a mediocre show in the first place and 4Kids' dub of it really isn't that bad, and this is coming from someone who's been a huge Sonic fan for 17 years. I don't really understand why people complain about the dub so much. It's one of their more "faithful" properties. Well, compared to the 4Kids dub of One Piece, at least.
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@Mikey:
Doesn't matter. Sonic X is a mediocre show in the first place and 4Kids' dub of it really isn't that bad, and this is coming from someone who's been a huge Sonic fan for 17 years. I don't really understand why people complain about the dub so much. It's one of their more "faithful" properties. Well, compared to the 4Kids dub of One Piece, at least.
What doesn't matter? And what's the rest of that statement talking about? All I said was that I was a Sonic fan and I hated 4kids. What's this about it being a "mediocre show" and "saying their dub wasn't faithful". I never spoke about the show's quality or how bad the dub was. There's no reason to start talking about that stuff because it'll just lead to arguements.
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@Mikey:
Didn't Funimation's blog say that in late February they'll announce a show coming to their channel that had fans wanting it to be back on TV for a while? We should be hearing something soon…
They said it would be a franchise title that fans would be happy see on T.V. And I think that time has passed February is almost done and all we've heard about is "Black Butler" and "Phantom"
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What doesn't matter? And what's the rest of that statement talking about? All I said was that I was a Sonic fan and I hated 4kids. What's this about it being a "mediocre show" and "saying their dub wasn't faithful". I never spoke about the show's quality or how bad the dub was. There's no reason to start talking about that stuff because it'll just lead to arguements.
What you said gave me the impression that you don't like the dub of Sonic X so I thought I'd voice my opinion. You're allowed to say you like it, and so I'm allowed to say I think it's mediocre, right?
What doesn't matter is that whether you like it or not, because you dislike 4Kids, the Sonic X dub in reality isn't that bad compared to other things they've done. Sorry if I kind of came off as an ass.
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@Mikey:
What you said gave me the impression that you don't like the dub of Sonic X so I thought I'd voice my opinion. You're allowed to say you like it, and so I'm allowed to say I think it's mediocre, right?
What doesn't matter is that whether you like it or not, because you dislike 4Kids, the Sonic X dub in reality isn't that bad compared to other things they've done. Sorry if I kind of came off as an ass.
No, that's okay. I know what you mean.
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You know, I was thinking about this the other day. If they do manage to get the show back on American broadcast television (and let's assume it's not on adult swim, so they'd be aiming for the 6-12 or maybe tween demo), how're they gonna handle Ivankov? I can't see a way to really edit around him, I mean he's pretty Tim Curry-esque (think Rocky Horror), and I just can't see Standards & Practices not flipping their lid over him.
He's a long way away and all, but still.
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Even Glee had to censor RHPS and it airs on one of the more lenient networks.
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Well, plus it's not animated and airs prime time on FOX of all places, with a TV-14 rating.
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You know, I was thinking about this the other day. If they do manage to get the show back on American broadcast television (and let's assume it's not on adult swim, so they'd be aiming for the 6-12 or maybe tween demo), how're they gonna handle Ivankov? I can't see a way to really edit around him, I mean he's pretty Tim Curry-esque (think Rocky Horror), and I just can't see Standards & Practices not flipping their lid over him.
He's a long way away and all, but still.
Remember Him off the Powerpuff Girls?
Ivankov isn't a problem.
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Remember Him off the Powerpuff Girls?
[qimg]http://images.wikia.com/powerpuff/images/5/55/HIM.jpg[/qimg]
Ivankov isn't a problem.
Powerpuff girls got cancelled partly cuz of all of the profanity (at least Im pretty sure it was…....). A lot of cartoons back then had inappropriate characters or scenes that aren't accepted today and weren't exactly accepted back then either.
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Powerpuff girls got cancelled partly cuz of all of the profanity (at least Im pretty sure it was…....). A lot of cartoons back then had inappropriate characters or scenes that aren't accepted today and weren't exactly accepted back then either.
What's wrong about him? :wassat:
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@HiroVoid:
What's wrong about him? :wassat:
well, um, er, uh, ….............. h- he looks l- li- l-......... he looks like a like a-................ drag queen?
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One Piece's subject matter is a lot more riske than Dragon Ball ever was.
You have human slavery, war, racism, torture, many religious references.
And that's just off the top of my head.Hell, I think Brook's panties gag would be too much for 4kids.
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One Piece's subject matter is a lot more riske than Dragon Ball ever was.
You have human slavery, war, racism, torture, many religious references.
And that's just off the top of my head.Hell, I think Brook's panties gag would be too much for 4kids.
religious references?
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One Piece's subject matter is a lot more riske than Dragon Ball ever was.
You have human slavery, war, racism, torture, many religious references.
And that's just off the top of my head.Hell, I think Brook's panties gag would be too much for 4kids.
oh great… here we go again.
None of those are done to a hugely graphic degree. The Skypiea religious references were already changed for TV anyway and that was done pretty well.
It's not like the Marineford stuff had Full Metal Jacket levels of war.
They could make a perfectly acceptable edit for kids with relative ease. If the uncut version is readily available then theres no reason to complain.
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oh great… here we go again.
None of those are done to a hugely graphic degree. The Skypiea religious references were already changed for TV anyway and that was done pretty well.
It's not like the Marineford stuff had Full Metal Jacket levels of war.
They could make a perfectly acceptable edit for kids with relative ease. If the uncut version is readily available then theres no reason to complain.
agreed, OP doesn't really have many bad things in it besides all of the profanity. Those can be altered easily and can still be funny. That and the blood, which would be fine. If those are the only edits made then I'll be fine, but if not then we'll have a problem
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well, um, er, uh, ….............. h- he looks l- li- l-......... he looks like a like a-................ drag queen?
What's wrong about drag queens? :blink:
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…what profanity?
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@HiroVoid:
What's wrong about drag queens? :blink:
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllll…............................
…what profanity?
U know, the constant breast jokes and stuff. Maybe profanity wasn't the right word but I mean inappropriate. At the moment im kinda too tired to find more examples besides "breast jokes and stuff" but I think you get the point.
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Yeah, he calls himself a Queen and ran "Okama [Paradise]", which for those following along at home:
is Japanese slang for homosexual or transvestite. Literally meaning "a pot, a kettle" this word, always with the honorific prefix "O-" refers to a gay man, especially one who is viewed as effeminate or a drag queen. Can be pejorative. The word originated in Edo period slang for the anus.
I mean I know that to a degree the dialog could be altered to dance around it, but they'd have their work cut out for them in trying to avoid the fact that he is a gender-bending transvestite that leads a gang of leather-clad transgendered criminals and who constantly goes on about the "transvestites way". I don't know how you'd alter his scenes where he goes on about his lifestyle and have it still make a shred of sense.
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I wonder if they would let Franky use his Speedo…
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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllll…............................
U know, the constant breast jokes and stuff. Maybe profanity wasn't the right word but I mean inappropriate. At the moment im kinda too tired to find more examples besides "breast jokes and stuff" but I think you get the point.
As opposed to the "she's got no balls!" joke at the beginning of Dragon Ball? That was much MUCH worse. Goku took off Bulma's knick knacks for fucks sake!
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As opposed to the "she's got no balls!" joke at the beginning of Dragon Ball? That was much MUCH worse. Goku took off Bulma's knick knacks for fucks sake!
I thought we were mentioning DBZ specifically.
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I thought we were mentioning DBZ specifically.
The original Dragon Ball adaption had a lot more raunchy humor as well as occasional nudity.And they still edited it well enough for TV.
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And they still edited it well enough for TV.
Yea but i mean the HUMONGOUS BREASTS in OP can't be edited…...... and I mean Robin's baroqe works outfits were as well, I mean if they start from the beginning of the series then that'd be one thing but if they start after the time skip like u said, then we're going to have to deal with nami's current outfit, robin's, ALL of the mermaids, etc.
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I really don't think we're likely to see One Piece on TV start off from the time skip. I don't see how it would make ANY sense to new viewers.
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I really don't think we're likely to see One Piece on TV start off from the time skip. I don't see how it would make ANY sense to new viewers.
exactly, but everyone else in this thread is saying that it should :getlost:
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exactly, but everyone else in this thread is saying that it should :getlost:
What are you talking about? You're the only one in this thread who ever said anything about the time skip.
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@Badass:
What are you talking about? You're the only one in this thread who ever said anything about the time skip.
No some other people like sympathy said it earlier but i guess i was wrong. So it'd start at the beginning of the series
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Yea but i mean the HUMONGOUS BREASTS in OP can't be edited…...... and I mean Robin's baroqe works outfits were as well, I mean if they start from the beginning of the series then that'd be one thing but if they start after the time skip like u said, then we're going to have to deal with nami's current outfit, robin's, ALL of the mermaids, etc.
One thing that can be done to hide breasts would be editing cleavage. 4Kids did that a lot during the days they had One Piece and still do as far as I know for YGO.
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One thing that can be done to hide breasts would be editing cleavage. 4Kids did that a lot during the days they had One Piece and still do as far as I know for YGO.
I could say something like "BUT THAT WAS 4KIDS EVERYTHING 4KIDS DOES IS TERRIBLE!" but u got a point i guess. But im also talking about all of the other crude things in OP
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I really don't think we're likely to see One Piece on TV start off from the time skip. I don't see how it would make ANY sense to new viewers.
Dragonball Z.
Whats the deal with that green guy and this guy with an eye on his head?
How do they know Goku?
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!
exactly, but everyone else in this thread is saying that it should :getlost:
I didn't say it SHOULD I said it would be a great place to start. New adventure, politics have been pretty much reset, great jumping on place for new people and most importantly the chance to run an ad at the end
SEE HOW THE ADVENTURE BEGAN, ONLY ON [onepiecestreamingsite] OR ON DVD
Yea but i mean the HUMONGOUS BREASTS in OP can't be edited…...... and I mean Robin's baroqe works outfits were as well, I mean if they start from the beginning of the series then that'd be one thing but if they start after the time skip like u said, then we're going to have to deal with nami's current outfit, robin's, ALL of the mermaids, etc.
I'll point to Dragon Ball again then.
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They managed to get around Ran Fan stripping off well enough.
Every one seems to be worried about the prospect more than the results. OH BUT THEY'D DO THIS AND HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT?
Hardly the open mind that getting One Piece on TV again needs. Why worry about the so called "damage" that it would do to OP when they amount of good it would do far exceeds it.
You are all quick to forget that even in the 4kids days, there was no other alternative. It was edited and dumbed down, butchered even or nothing. Even with the ridiculous DBK edits that 4kids have done, it's a far cry from how bad OP originally got it. If thats as bad as it gets then I for one welcome it with open arms.
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Dragonball Z.
Whats the deal with that green guy and this guy with an eye on his head?
How do they know Goku?
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!
I didn't say it SHOULD I said it would be a great place to start. New adventure, politics have been pretty much reset, great jumping on place for new people and most importantly the chance to run an ad at the end
SEE HOW THE ADVENTURE BEGAN, ONLY ON [onepiecestreamingsite] OR ON DVD
I'll point to Dragon Ball again then.
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They managed to get around Ran Fan stripping off well enough.
Every one seems to be worried about the prospect more than the results. OH BUT THEY'D DO THIS AND HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT?
Hardly the open mind that getting One Piece on TV again needs. Why worry about the so called "damage" that it would do to OP when they amount of good it would do far exceeds it.
You are all quick to forget that even in the 4kids days, there was no other alternative. It was edited and dumbed down, butchered even or nothing. Even with the ridiculous DBK edits that 4kids have done, it's a far cry from how bad OP originally got it. If thats as bad as it gets then I for one welcome it with open arms.
As for the picture, dbz aired 10 years ago, and I dont even think that was put on tv….. And as for ur first few lines up there, that's exactly our point. No one's going to get who they are. And since these are little kids I mean there not going to just buy the dvd's because they're confused. That'd bring OP a lot less publicity. And i wasnt talking about how i didnt want the edits, im just talking about how it'd be hard to edit the breasts and all of the crude humor out. After the timeskip? That's new adventure and stuff but all of the new adventure was caused by, at that point, over 500 episodes of adventure that built up to the post time skip.
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As for the picture, dbz aired 10 years ago, and I dont even think that was put on tv….. And as for ur first few lines up there, that's exactly our point. No one's going to get who they are. And since these are little kids I mean there not going to just buy the dvd's because they're confused. That'd bring OP a lot less publicity. And i wasnt talking about how i didnt want the edits, im just talking about how it'd be hard to edit the breasts and all of the crude humor out. After the timeskip? That's new adventure and stuff but all of the new adventure was caused by, at that point, over 500 episodes of adventure that built up to the post time skip.
So your telling me that starting at the timeskip is a bad idea…
...even though Dragon Ball Z did that and it was a huge HUGE hit?
Way to not see the big picture. Again.
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Considering how the post time skip content is building on events that took place over 60 volumes of content, I think it's a pretty different scenario than the DB -> DBZ situation.
The events of DragonBall held very little weight in DBZ, and what little you might need to know, they pretty much directly spell out for you. I don't see One Piece being able to do that, or really caring to (since the time skip is going to immediately take place following the end of the previous arc).
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Just a suggestion, at least I'm trying to stay positive. I honestly couldn't see how it wouldn't work but then again, I'm one of the few with an actual open mind with this.
The politics have been reset anyway so your eventually going to learn about the warlords and Admirals etc anyway.
It'd be fine, regardless of there being 59 volumes before the start of one time skip to 18 on another, it makes no difference. At the start of Z you start with an already fleshed out cast and pretty defined world which you know next to nothing about which you should, in all fairness.
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So your telling me that starting at the timeskip is a bad idea…
...even though Dragon Ball Z did that and it was a huge HUGE hit?
Way to not see the big picture. Again.
YOURE THE ONE WHOS MISSIN THE PICTURE! Dragon Ball Didnt Really have as much of a story as OP did! DRAGON BALL Z TO DRAGON BALL IS LIKE DEGRASSI THE NEXT GENERATION TO DEGRASSI OR SOMETHING WHILE OP POST TIME SKIP TO OP PRE-TIME SKIP IS LIKE LOST SEASON 6 TO LOST SEASON 5!
Edit: Sorry I don't mean to sound like a troll or anything, Im not trying to start an argument as I know you aren't either but the caps were just for emphasis
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DBZ and post-timeskip One Piece aren't comparable in the slightest. You're making yourself look ridiculous.
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DBZ and post-timeskip One Piece aren't comparable in the slightest. You're making yourself look ridiculous.
It's comparable in the way that it has a fully established world already by the first episode and your obviously not starting at the beginning. It would be fine. Stop thinking that it's any more than that.
YOURE THE ONE WHOS MISSIN THE PICTURE! Dragon Ball Didnt Really have as much of a story as OP did! DRAGON BALL Z TO DRAGON BALL IS LIKE DEGRASSI THE NEXT GENERATION TO DEGRASSI OR SOMETHING WHILE OP POST TIME SKIP TO OP PRE-TIME SKIP IS LIKE LOST SEASON 6 TO LOST SEASON 5!
Don't even try it.
Seriously. I'm one of the few people in this thread who seems to know what their talking about. You've thrown about tons of opinions and tried to pass them off as fact and utterly embarrassed yourself time and again. I'm sure you'll continue to do so. You. Really. Just. Don't. Get. It. And. You. Obviously. Never. Have.
Honestly, if THIS is what the average One Piece fan is like and judging by the poll results, it is, I actually hope that America doesn't get it on TV again. You just simply don't deserve it. Some of the stuck up and generally ignorant posts in here are simply disgusting and make me ashamed to be a part of the One Piece fandom.
We've got it edited, pretty bad on in Germany and that's paying off. We're still getting up to date releases of the games.
If for a second you can imagine what payoffs you'd get from having an edited version of the Funimation version then you'd know that it'd be worth it instead of worrying to much about your precious master version.
…which of course you're too cheap to even buy.