I still think the Fukaboshi argument has legs.
Or some new character that knows fishman karate.
I still think the Fukaboshi argument has legs.
Or some new character that knows fishman karate.
Why Jinbe will join during this arc:
So, if any other new fishman is introduced in the next 2 chapters, Jinbe's chance to join will up even higher.
Caribou?: rofl
Princess?
prince bro? Chara design says no.
VDD? lolz. And his ability make him impossible to join since we have already a sniper in the crew.
Hodi? haha.
Swordman fishman? We have already 2 swordman in the crew. Enough.
Madame Shirley? no way, shes cute but does not fight.
If Jinbe does not show up with an apprentice, then the only potential SH will be Jinbe.
The fact is, a fishman will join the crew, for some reasons (Nami background, Fishmen considered as an inferior race yet, slavery history). The crew will put down the World government, it will be highly symbolic to have a fishman in the crew.
The fact is, we are currently in fishman island arc. A fishman will join.
The fact is: in Green data book, it was remenbered that luffy wanted a crew of 10 pirates + Oda said that an ancien boss will join the crew and they will be heading to the New world.
Ancient boss is probably an hidden meaning about Jinbe. Indeed he was the boss of fishmen. Now he isnt anymore.
New world will start after fishman arc so this is during this arc that someone will join. A fishman (like stated previously).
We know that each SH get a flashback and in this flashback there is always a person considered as a mentor, or someone close to this. This person often dies during the flashback.
We are going to have a flashback, and in this flashback Jinbe will be involved. Also, Fisher Tiger died, and it seems that these two were very close to each other.
The Straw hats will sail in the New World. A weak can't survive in the new world. So the next SH needs to be pretty strong. Jinbe is strong.
The Monster trio will still exist even if Jinbe join the crew. These three will be able to fight against admirals at the end of the story, probably not the case for Jinbe. Thats why the monster trio will still exist. And we do not know curently, if Jinbe is better than Zoro/Sanji. So the argument 'Jinbe is too strong" does not work.
Finally, Jinbe's fighting style is unique (Karate).
Oda said that an ancien boss will join the crew and they will be heading to the New world.
he never said that. Oda said that there will be a team-up with a former boss character and then the SHs would head to the New World. That guy was Crocodile.
Even though I don't see Jinbe joining, it does make a whole lot of sense. Not only would it be symbolic as an ex-shichibukai, hey he's also a fishman and knows fishman karate - and I'm 100% sure that if a fishman joins, he's going to know fishman karate. Also judging by his age, there is a high likelihood that he was a slave that was freed by Fisher Tiger - so there is a tragic past and mentor death that can be filled.
The reason that I can't see Jinbe joining regardless of it making a whole lot of sense isn't because he's fat, or old, or boring, or wouldn't have a position, or whatever retarded arguments are being brought up, it's because Jinbe thinks and behaves like a captain. He makes his own decisions and even if he has respect for someone enough to lay down his life for them - Ace and Whitebeard - he isn't going to follow their orders and he showed this several times. This was shown to be an enormous deal breaker with Usopp in Water Seven; a crewmember MUST be loyal and listen to his captain else risk endangering the crew. (This is partly why I don't think the SHs will ever "steal" a member from another pirate crew) While Zoro was like this too, remember that Zoro was the second person in the SHs and had from the first couple of chapters and almost the entirety of East Blue until mid-late grand line to go through enough character development to finally accept Luffy as his captain and someone he should be loyal to - the end of Thriller Bark was there to show exactly this. Now halfway throughout the series, there just isn't enough time to go through the same massive amount of character development to go from reluctant individualist crewmate to loyal StrawHat. New crewmembers are supposed to be followers, not leaders or loners, and Jinbe is a leader.
the argument that Jinbe is a "mentor", or "captain", or does not follow orders from someone does not work imo because we are talking about Luffy. Luffy is a leader among leaders. He has something in him which make ppl follow him. Jinbe following Luffy's orders could be another proof of this and the continuation of luffy's way to be pirate king.
the argument that Jinbe is a "mentor", or "captain", or does not follow orders from someone does not work imo because we are talking about Luffy. Luffy is a leader among leaders. He has something in him which make ppl follow him. Jinbe following Luffy's orders could be another proof of this and the continuation of luffy's way to be pirate king.
Wouldn't make him a strawhat.
There's no point when Zoro already proves that.
My argument is merely a "but" in the whole pro-Jinbe thing. I won't be surprised if he joins, because like I said it makes sense and there's a whole lot of things going for it. Yet, unless Jinbe shows more hints of being a follower rather than a leader I have a hard time seeing him fit in the crew when it's been established pretty heavily that crewmembers must follow their captain loyally with no ifs ands or buts.
What do people expect from the crew, growth-wise? My understanding, particularly post-timeskip, is that all 'growth' from this point on will be experience-based growth. All of them have had their fair share of battles, and have for the most part spent their entire last two years in simulated or actual battle scenarios. I doubt Jinbei's 'experience' really extends beyond theirs by much, if at all, and further doubt his strength is greater than Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji's. Even Franky could be his equal. We really don't know at this point, but I personally see him as a comfortable fit, and anyone benefits from experience.
What I mean to say is that even if his strength and skill are at a point where major improvements are scarce, he will still see slight improvement as he faces more hardships and battles in the new world, and likewise gains even more experience. The exact same can and likely does apply to the rest of the crew. Should we really expect a fully-trained Luffy to have major improvements from this point on? I certainly hope not; I mean, wasn't that the whole point of the skip? Take Franky, for example, how is he supposed to grow more powerful at this point? Makes more sense that all improvements from this point on will be small and incremental, revolving more around experience than an increase in skill or power. So… doesn't that work out perfect for someone more established like Jinbei? At the point the crew is famous world-wide, making the front page as we are seeing, so someone who has a history and established power fits the mold of the crew post-timeskip better than someone fresh and inexperienced, I think.
It could work. Oda will need to show Jimbei and Luffy becoming peers though.
Which could be very cool if done right.
Also, the crew didn't grow too much before the timeskip. Aside from a small margin in strength, Aside from the Gears Luffy didn't grow too much stronger, just different situations, required different ways of him attacking enemies. Zoro grew, he learned to cut steel, learned to make slashes fly, and learned to make illusions(Ashura)…And that's it. Sanji...he can set his feet on fire.
Usopp simply upgraded his arsenal. Same for Nami, and Chopper did not grow aside from his berserk monster point. Robin didn't fight that much to begin with, so we didn't really see to much improvement. Franky and Brook we only saw fighting a couple of times, can't really base them.
The same will be for the New World. What we got in the 2 year skip was a great leap in strength, and while it may advance a lot later in, When Luffy starts beating Admirals and Emperors, it should be like the first half.
The reason the crew is so strong now is, all they did for 2 years was train, train, train, train. On the ship, they would be spending unknown amounts of time sailing, and then the arc fights. Here we had two years of just training. Aside from Zoro physically training everyday, only Usopp and Franky would advance by updating their weapons, and it will probably be like that.
Now Jinbe most likely wasn't training for these two years, he was probably trying to keep peace on the island, and then the stuff with Hodi started. Jinbe probably didn't get that much stronger in comparison to the rest of the crew.
At most, Jinbe is stronger then Sanji, at least he is between the Monster Trio and the Medium Trio(Franky(Probably Strongest), Robin, Brook).
@JERK:
It could work. Oda will need to show Jimbei and Luffy becoming peers though.
Which could be very cool if done right.
This upcoming meeting by Queen Otohime's grave could be a step in the right direction.
What do people expect from the crew, growth-wise? My understanding, particularly post-timeskip, is that all 'growth' from this point on will be experience-based growth. All of them have had their fair share of battles, and have for the most part spent their entire last two years in simulated or actual battle scenarios. I doubt Jinbei's 'experience' really extends beyond theirs by much, if at all, and further doubt his strength is greater than Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji's. Even Franky could be his equal. We really don't know at this point, but I personally see him as a comfortable fit, and anyone benefits from experience.
What I mean to say is that even if his strength and skill are at a point where major improvements are scarce, he will still see slight improvement as he faces more hardships and battles in the new world, and likewise gains even more experience. The exact same can and likely does apply to the rest of the crew. Should we really expect a fully-trained Luffy to have major improvements from this point on? I certainly hope not; I mean, wasn't that the whole point of the skip? Take Franky, for example, how is he supposed to grow more powerful at this point? Makes more sense that all improvements from this point on will be small and incremental, revolving more around experience than an increase in skill or power. So… doesn't that work out perfect for someone more established like Jinbei? At the point the crew is famous world-wide, making the front page as we are seeing, so someone who has a history and established power fits the mold of the crew post-timeskip better than someone fresh and inexperienced, I think.
and that's the game.
[…] it's because Jinbe thinks and behaves like a captain. He makes his own decisions and even if he has respect for someone enough to lay down his life for them - Ace and Whitebeard - he isn't going to follow their orders and he showed this several times. […] (So) unless Jinbe shows more hints of being a follower rather than a leader I have a hard time seeing him fit in the crew when it's been established pretty heavily that crewmembers must follow their captain loyally with no ifs ands or buts.
I don't really understand this argument though. I mean, what he said about helping people he respects was pretty straightforward, yet you appear to be taking a different meaning. He says flat out that he doesn't help just anyone– in context Ace asking Jinbei to take care of his brother-- but instead only lends his strength to those he respects. He is then clearly shown recalling that conversation with Ace, indicating that he does indeed respect Luffy enough to risk or sacrifice his own life for him. The whole 'acting like a captain' thing is what I am really having trouble with-- no offense-- as your defining examples appear to be Ace, which I believe is moot given the above, and his disregard for Whitebeard's orders at Marineford, which if you recall was an order Whitebeard's entire crew disregarded. Jinbei didn't serve Whitebeard either, nor did he serve Ace, he was just friends with them and respected them. So, really, we have no evidence of how he could or would behave while serving under someone, but know that he once did: Fisher Tiger.
There's always these moments here (Marineford) and here (Impel Down), where Luffy said "let's do this" and he did it; I guess I just see some of those situations as Zoro- or Sanji-like interactions. I can agree that compared to the crew, it is slightly more difficult to see him following an order from Luffy he wasn't 100% on like the rest of the crew might, but just barely. It's like trying to imagine Robin following direct orders. At first I couldn't see it, or would expect her to do things her own way, but after the Enies Lobby stuff it works fine.
he never said that. Oda said that there will be a team-up with a former boss character and then the SHs would head to the New World. That guy was Crocodile.
Yeah and now they are at FI and after this arc they will head to the NW, so the team-up with Crocodile was a little soon (the gap will be at least 100 chapters).
Also judging by his age,
Maybe I missed something, but I don't know how old Jinbe is.
He is mature, but he can as old as Hachi or Arlong.
@Reyairia:
The reason that I can't see Jinbe joining regardless of it making a whole lot of sense isn't because he's fat, or old, or boring, or wouldn't have a position, or whatever retarded arguments are being brought up, it's because Jinbe thinks and behaves like a captain. He makes his own decisions and even if he has respect for someone enough to lay down his life for them - Ace and Whitebeard - he isn't going to follow their orders and he showed this several times. This was shown to be an enormous deal breaker with Usopp in Water Seven; a crewmember MUST be loyal and listen to his captain else risk endangering the crew. (This is partly why I don't think the SHs will ever "steal" a member from another pirate crew) While Zoro was like this too, remember that Zoro was the second person in the SHs and had from the first couple of chapters and almost the entirety of East Blue until mid-late grand line to go through enough character development to finally accept Luffy as his captain and someone he should be loyal to - the end of Thriller Bark was there to show exactly this. Now halfway throughout the series, there just isn't enough time to go through the same massive amount of character development to go from reluctant individualist crewmate to loyal StrawHat. New crewmembers are supposed to be followers, not leaders or loners, and Jinbe is a leader.
Jinbei is not loyal? What are you talking about?
I think he is one of the most loyal character in OP.
He was loyal to WB against the WG. He was loyal to FI against FPs. He was loyal to Luffy against Akainu.
So if he consider someone as his captain, I'm sure he would be enough loyal to that person.
I'm not saying that he will be the next SH, but from the candidates he is the most built up.
Against him there are this argument:
I still don't get the appeal people have for jinbei. Is it his design ? His back story? Or just because he's an ex-shickibaki ? Like has anything he's done even caused anyone to laugh ? Has any of his interactions with Luffy made you laugh ? Like I fail to see it and I'd love to see the explanation of the constant hard on that people have for this terrible character. Because he is a terrible character.
I still don't get the appeal you get from fodder characters and you general dumbness, I just don't get it :wassat:.
I think probably Smoker is NN & will join. Has cool design and name. Iinterstin power to.
So when I ask a question you can't answer you attack me.
Anyone else want to explain why the like Jinbei or what is enjoyable about him if anything.
The first part wasn't him attacking you though.
Most ppl writing all this stuff about Jinbe either made vague theories about him before he was introduced and adjusted them as the story went on, adding other themes and story lines to the character, their interaction with Luffy or how it'd impact the crew dynamic and how it'd reflect to the rest of the OP world or there are ppl that agree with the ppl that made the arguments for him.
Why members actually like Jinbe I don't know. If anything for me he's become a character that's sparsely unintentionally funny.
He has a cool fighting style, he's a major friend to Luffy, and he ACTUALLY makes some sense
Anyone else want to explain why the like Jinbei
Because he's awesome and unique.
or what is enjoyable about him if anything.
Everything.
@Zik:
Why members actually like Jinbe I don't know. If anything for me he's become a character that's sparsely unintentionally funny.
Hey, I like Jinbei.
Don't think he'll join, but I like him.
You know the irony is that pretty much everyone (Vivi, Hancock, Jimbei probably even Perona and maybe even Wiper) is gonna join the crew in the final arc for the big bad battle.
I still don't get the appeal people have for jinbei. Is it his design ? His back story? Or just because he's an ex-shickibaki ? Like has anything he's done even caused anyone to laugh ? Has any of his interactions with Luffy made you laugh ? Like I fail to see it and I'd love to see the explanation of the constant hard on that people have for this terrible character. Because he is a terrible character.
His name was said before chapter 100, his face revealed around chapter 540.
He's a fishman.
He knows karate fishman.
"To EAT is to LIVE!!!"
He's loyal to a fault
"I will prove that I deserve to be in this crew even if IT COST ME MY LIFE!"
He saved Luffy, not only physicaly, but emotionaly.
He can summon Whale Sharks, SMILLING whale sharks.
He can swim and breathe under water.
He smells like the ocean.
He looks like a goomba.
He's blue and wears mainly orange.
And where we are going, we don't need doors!
@Thousand:
You know the irony is that pretty much everyone (Vivi, Hancock, Jimbei probably even Perona and maybe even Wiper) is gonna join the crew in the final arc for the big bad battle.
Your probably right. Oda is going to pull in everyone for the final battle.
I think probably Smoker is NN & will join. Has cool design and name. Iinterstin power to.
Brennen finally gave in.
@Thousand:
You know the irony is that pretty much everyone (Vivi, Hancock, Jimbei probably even Perona and maybe even Wiper) is gonna join the crew in the final arc for the big bad battle.
They will be allies of the crew, but won't be regarded as members.
Jinbe is the only character right now that would make sense joining the crew. I still find him a little bland in personality (too calm, with no quirks that make someone interesting), but we still don't know him fully. He has a chance of joining. I wouldn't mind him joining.
For now, however, I don't think anyone will join. I think Jinbe will remain in Fishman Island after the Strawhats leave it (I know he's a wanted criminal, but somehow I think Oda'll work around it, like keeping his presence a secret).
Maybe future chapters can change my mind.
Jenbe isn't passionate enough. Being a strawhat is all about being passionate and indifferent. Zoro doesn't care if he becomes the devil as long as he's the best with a sword. Usopp doesn't care if he has to do bad things because being a pirate is all he cares about. That being said a more passionate fishman like hodi is what I see happening.
its not like every SH needs to be crasy and telling joke every lines. A calm personality is welcome imo, especially after brook.
@Thousand:
You know the irony is that pretty much everyone (Vivi, Hancock, Jimbei probably even Perona and maybe even Wiper) is gonna join the crew in the final arc for the big bad battle.
As long as they aint with the crew for 100+ chaps it's w/e.
Jenbe isn't passionate enough. Being a strawhat is all about being passionate and indifferent. Zoro doesn't care if he becomes the devil as long as he's the best with a sword. Usopp doesn't care if he has to do bad things because being a pirate is all he cares about. That being said a more passionate fishman like hodi is what I see happening.
Jinbe's plenty passionate, go reread his chapters. Or did the whole "I'll give my life" thing just fly over you?
but yeah, I guess he's nothing compared to the steaming chunk of man passion that is Hodi
Jenbe isn't passionate enough. Being a strawhat is all about being passionate and indifferent. Zoro doesn't care if he becomes the devil as long as he's the best with a sword. Usopp doesn't care if he has to do bad things because being a pirate is all he cares about. That being said a more passionate fishman like hodi is what I see happening.
What's the part of "EVEN IF IT COSTS MY LIFE" that isn't passionated? And Hodi joining, really?
Edit: I should really press f5 before posting.
I have to go with the Jinbe supporters, Jinbe for Nakama is at the moment the most logical thing, of course it can change maybe after the next chapter, but still, i think there is a reason why oda builded him up so long from Chapter 69 to the current chaps, he is more then a supporter of the strawhats imo.
Just my two cents.
Also i think its funny that Hodi is also considered as NN xD I mean, if he despites human so much…i dont think even luffy can change this...what should be hodis dream then? To be pirate? He is already pirate so this dream is no longer available, what else could be his dream?
Jinbe is old and serious. He is not a possible nakamana. Stop whining about it.
Well I think that puts a definitive end to the Jinbe campaign.
So when I ask a question you can't answer you attack me.
you kind of get that when you say people like caribou will join and then say you don't see how people who are considered solid candidates to "maybe become nakama" could possibly join
you dig your own grave in life
Jinbe is old and serious. He is not a possible nakamana. Stop whining about it.
Brook is 90 and having a straight man in the crew is hardly a going to be a problem.
Also what is a nakamana.
So when I ask a question you can't answer you attack me.
I wouldn't be talking about "can't answer" right now if I were you.
This is how I often feel about this thread
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Jinbe is old and serious. He is not a possible nakamana. Stop whining about it.
Then tell me how old is he exactly!
I don't really understand this argument though. I mean, what he said about helping people he respects was pretty straightforward, yet you appear to be taking a different meaning. He says flat out that he doesn't help just anyone– in context Ace asking Jinbei to take care of his brother-- but instead only lends his strength to those he respects.
Exactly - the issue being that Jinbe will not follow orders from other people, but he himself judges people before he decides to help them. It doesn't matter if he has extremely high respect for Whitebeard or Ace to the point he wants to lay down his life for them, he still won't follow their orders or even do a favor for them if he does not want to. Even Whitebeard's allies followed his orders, Jinbe was the only one said he wouldn't. Even if Jinbe did follow Fisher Tiger the way he behaves now is more of an independent captain rather than someone who will follow whoever he happens to respect.
Yeah and now they are at FI and after this arc they will head to the NW, so the team-up with Crocodile was a little soon (the gap will be at least 100 chapters).
Uh, no. Oda said that in mid Impel Down. Ask Greg, since he was the source of this information and he himself said that it was Crocodile.
Do you really think that he would give such an enormous hint/spoiler as to who would be the next nakama?
Maybe I missed something, but I don't know how old Jinbe is.
He is mature, but he can as old as Hachi or Arlong.
Hachi and Arlong can be anywhere from their late 20s to early 30s, they can't be much older than that since they were shown to be around the same age and Hachi was only a small child in StrongWorld.
I'm pretty sure it was given in a databook that Jinbe was in his 40s, I think 46 before the timeskip but I'm not sure.
Edit: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_58
44 pre-timeskip, 46 post.
Jinbei is not loyal? What are you talking about?
I think he is one of the most loyal character in OP.
He was loyal to WB against the WG. He was loyal to FI against FPs. He was loyal to Luffy against Akainu.
So if he consider someone as his captain, I'm sure he would be enough loyal to that person…
The thing isn't that he isn't loyal to Luffy, Ace, etc. the thing is that he doesn't behave like a follower. He helped Luffy because HE wanted to after getting to know him, not because Ace asked him to do it. He participated in the war because he didn't want Whitebeard to die because he know it was Fishman Island's safety at stake.
I'm just saying that the way Jinbe behaved in Marineford and Impel Down came across as more of an allied captain rather than someone who would follow Luffy to the ends of the earth.
Kinda how like WB's allies still called him Pops/Father yet were not part of his crew and were still captains.
@THE:
Only 46 years old, post-timeskip.
If that is old to him then Brook should only be bones at his age.
maybe there will be a mariejoa arc after this, and the NN will appear there?
Only guessing
Reasons for Jinbe to join
His name was said before chapter 100, his face revealed around chapter 540.
He's a fishman.
He knows karate fishman.
"To EAT is to LIVE!!!"
He's loyal to a fault
"I will prove that I deserve to be in this crew even if IT COST ME MY LIFE!"
He saved Luffy, not only physicaly, but emotionaly.
He can summon Whale Sharks, SMILLING whale sharks.
He can swim and breathe under water.
He smells like the ocean.
He looks like a goomba.
He's blue and wears mainly orange.
And where we are going, we don't need doors!
He looks like a goomba. More reasons you don't need.
Again, I stay with the Jinbe faction or at least someone close to Jinbe himself. The potential nakama will be shown in the coming 5th chapters, maybe even in the next one ^_^.
First of all were at Fishman Island where slavery is the main topic there. Second we probably get a flashback with Fisher Tiger involved.
The fact that a Fishman will be joining the Straw Hat crew isnt that unlikley even. In fact, it should happen. The highest chance will still be Jinbe, for mainly the many things when he was foreshadowed. Also the fact that the WG intend to use him for makeing better connections with both Humans and Fishman.
This would be an excellent job for our Future Pirate King =P.
Also guessing Jinbe, isn't alone in the Forest. ¬¬
maybe there will be a mariejoa arc after this, and the NN will appear there?
Only guessing
Very very badly at that.
Well, now I can't unsee it.
Jimbei just got 10 times more awesome.
heh, some people wants jinbe to make a fucking joke..and he appeared at impel down ad at the war..it's the fucking war for God's sake..the only ones who can make jokes in a war are those dumb ones + buggy..the weak people..