With the books he has read, you'd think he would know better.
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Just hope that fucking asshole will nerver see the light of day again. Seriously killing people over such asinine reasons?
Edit: I find it kind of sick how he talks about himself in past tense. Looks like he was fully prepared to get shot on the spot.
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And here I thought that someone who actually enjoyed Mein Kampf could do no wrong.
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With the books he has read, you'd think he would know better.
He probably just lists them to show he's checked out the ideals rather then that he holds them.
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Yup, crazy insane person. What I found interesting was that the information given under School, Interests, and Books were all written in the past tense. Weird.
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Another sad loner who couldn't put a face to the vague ideals he was fighting against and so hit out at anything he could define as "establishment"
@Cyan:
And here I thought that someone who actually enjoyed Mein Kampf could do no wrong.
Mein Kampf is pretty interesting in the background sections (if very tedious at other parts) as Hitler portrays how his original heavily nationalistic ideas began to develop into something far more sinister. It really highlights how any moderately intelligent, down on their luck guy will easily cling to far right or far left politics.
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@JERK:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Does anyone from Arizona know what this might have been about? Is this Drug Gang related?
From what I understand it was either an attack on the District Court Judge (who died in the incident), or on Giffords herself for political reasons.
We still have yet to have either confirmed or denied.They still haven't released his statements yet. Apparantly there's supposed to be a press conference by the sheriff's office in 2 hours to discuss.
All we know at the moment is that the guy was a loon.UPDATE:
Apparantly the bullet went entirely through her head.
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That would be amazing if she came out of this with even most of her functions.
A 9 year old girl…. i'm really pissed right now.
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I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but sometimes, idiots like these need to be put down for the good of the public.
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Giffords was one of the Representatives whose office was vandalized last March during the Health Care debate; that happened after the big row over Sarah Palin releasing that ad that superimposed target scopes over a bunch of congressional districts with Take a Stand or something along those lines. Giffords was one of those Representatives.
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That's not to say that was why he went after her, but only to point out that she has been threatened before and also would have received a lot of media attention over the past year, especially locally.
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I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but sometimes, idiots like these need to be put down for the good of the public.
I'd be content with life in prison without the possibility of parole… (in Impel Down 5th level…)
Apparantly he got tackled down by 4 old guys.
Serves him right.Also he apparantly put a lot of 'anti-government' stuff on his MySpace blog. No doubt he was planning this for quite a while.
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The shooter is an asshole. Shooting a nine-year-old who probably hasn't even grasped the basics of political ideologies…
He probably did it to get media coverage and create a controversy.
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Did he go in and target the 9 year old or just go in shooting and just happen to hit her? Not that it makes much difference but the way you put it it's like he shot her on purpose.
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If I was, hypothetically, to become a crazed killer, I would do my best to avoid children.
But you're right. It may be an accident.
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One account I read said that he walked up to Giffords and shot her before randomly firing into the crowd while trying to leave the scene.
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Police have evacuated the area around Gifford's office, their reasonings being talk of a suspicious package. Apparantly it was discovered by patrolling officers. The bombsquad has been brought in and are investigating the 'mysterious device' as the reporters are calling it.
Also in terms of Giffords herself, they currently have her sedated and are working to keep brain swelling at bay by means of ventilation machine and Lasix pills (an edema drug). By breathing for her with the ventilation machine, the portion of the brain which controls breathing can take a break, thereby reducing the swelling risk. If these measures do not work, a section of her skull will be removed to take the pressure off her brain.
Casualty count has also risen. It is now listed at 19 injured, 6 dead.
Did he go in and target the 9 year old or just go in shooting and just happen to hit her? Not that it makes much difference but the way you put it it's like he shot her on purpose.
Accidental or not, the deaths of children tend to pull 10x harder at heartstrings than the deaths of average adults. This is most likely because people instictively react to the fact that children are innocents.
One account I read said that he walked up to Giffords and shot her before randomly firing into the crowd while trying to leave the scene.
Heartless bastard. I think it's the perfect slap to his face that Gabrielle Giffords seems to be recovering well.
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I listened to two news stories back to back.
One had to do with the seizure of Wikileak's Twitter accounts.
The other had to do with an assassination attempt by an idiot with a gun which ended with a dead child.
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Reputedly Palin's people and a lot of teaparty groups are currently scrubbing a lot of their websites and social networking accounts to remove any references to things like Palin's "Reload" Twitter comment. I don't think this guy was motivated by particular political leanings (the fact that that material came about eight months before the shooting doesn't suggest a major connection, unlike, say, Bill O'Reilly's constant comments over a multiyear span about George Tiller the Baby-Killer), but the amount of ass-covering is downright sickening. I'd like to think such steps might make them think twice about that sort of nonsense in the future, but I doubt it.
Far as the Wikileaks situation goes, nothing, but nothing about that situation pissed me off a tenth as much as Judith Miller of all people complaining about reporting things without verification. Miller, of course, was editor of the New York Times back in 2002-2003 and turned that paper into one of the primary cheerleaders for the Iraq War in 2003.
New reports are suggesting that the gunman was accompanied to the event by a second person.
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It would be nice if the death of that young girl accomplished something like making grown adults think for a moment, but unfortunately I doubt it too. (sigh)
A second person huh? That puts some of the rumors about him being a random nut-case a little in doubt then…Yeah, Cuddles, I hear you on the direction the country's taking. Seems some days we're heading to Hell in a handbasket carried by half the polititians in the country.
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There's a third guy they're looking for too.
The second is in custody.The shooter is clearly a nutbar, but guys like that tend to be very very alone in action and life, so I'm really curious who these others are.
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Reputedly Palin's people and a lot of teaparty groups are currently scrubbing a lot of their websites and social networking accounts to remove any references to things like Palin's "Reload" Twitter comment. I don't think this guy was motivated by particular political leanings (the fact that that material came about eight months before the shooting doesn't suggest a major connection, unlike, say, Bill O'Reilly's constant comments over a multiyear span about George Tiller the Baby-Killer), but the amount of ass-covering is downright sickening. I'd like to think such steps might make them think twice about that sort of nonsense in the future, but I doubt it.
Rubs temples
Just tell me if I have this analogy wrong:
[hide]There's a classroom with 50 kids. Some are Red, some are Blue.
The head of the class is a decrepit old man asleep at his desk.
The Red kids start harassing the Blue kids, implying that they will do them bodily harm and enslave them, as well as insulting them and telling them how dirty and terrible they are.
They continue this for three years, bringing guns to school and spreading nasty rumors throughout the school. And the teacher is too scared to deal with them.
The Red kids are getting a high and a giggle out of scaring the Blue kids.
Then one day, a crazed idiot comes in and stabs a Blue kid dead.
The Teacher wakes up and pulls the Idiot by the ear.
Before the teacher can open his mouth to ask "Who is responsible for this?", the Red kids scooch all the way over to the other side of the classroom, doing their damndest to conjure halos.
"It wasn't us."
And the Blue kid's jaws drop.
And the teacher doesn't notice the implication, and the Red kids continue with their behavior.[/hide]
Am I wrong?
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@JERK:
There's a third guy they're looking for too.
The second is in custody.The shooter is clearly a nutbar, but guys like that tend to be very very alone in action and life, so I'm really curious who these others are.
I'd imagine people with similar extreme political views who he met on the internet. For my own peace of mind I'd like to think most people wouldn't help murder for a friend.
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I'd imagine people with similar extreme political views who he met on the internet. For my own peace of mind I'd like to think most people wouldn't help murder for a friend.
This guy seems schizo or something. I mean did you watch (read) the youtubes? They don't even really make grammatical sense half the time.
They're very ….. individual delusions. The kind of thing that makes perfect sense in his head but comes out globblygook. I have a hard time believing he managed to find people, delusional or no, that were in his exact same language of crazy.I see any helpers being probably enablers taking advantage of a crazy kid to make this happened.
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@Cuddles:
Am I wrong?
I really wouldn't mind it if I was wrong.
Really.Outside of leaving out the Red kids making a bonfire out of the various posters that they've put up over the last few years, that sounds about right.
@JERK:
They're very ….. individual delusions. The kind of thing that makes perfect sense in his head but comes out globblygook. I have a hard time believing he managed to find people, delusional or no, that were in his exact same language of crazy.
Exact same language of crazy? Probably not, but keep in mind that the stuff on youtube is probably the shooter at his craziest. The past tense alone is a pretty good sign that he expected to be gunned down in the process of doing this.
A more general look at his beliefs (gold, purity of the English language, the government is mind-controlling us) along with some of his reading choices suggests that he might find a slightly sympathetic ear among certain libertarian groups and definitely a hefty segment of Glenn Beck's viewing audience. I can't think of any public figure who spends more time urging people to buy gold as a safe commodity and talks more about the government brainwashing people than Beck.
Anyway, I could see somebody taking note of him for the belief about gold on a message board or something along those lines and then realizing that he could be a useful idiot.
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@JERK:
There's a third guy they're looking for too.
The second is in custody.The shooter is clearly a nutbar, but guys like that tend to be very very alone in action and life, so I'm really curious who these others are.
Oh sorry, my wording was wrong–I didn't mean to imply he wasn't crazy, just that he wasn't as random in his craziness or actions as lone crazies seem to be--he had people working with him--if two more people, it sort of leads to speculation that it may be the tip of an iceburg and there may be more as yet undiscovered or undisclosed--
At the far end the fear would be that it is a cache of crazies under the spell of the public figures who have been stirring and poking the seamy underbelly of this country's most extreme fringe elements, and who are now scrambling to cover their tracks and distance themselves from such extremism. I wish that I could have faith that their dropping the stick and running to the other end of the room, shouting "It wasn't us" would be all too obvious a ploy for folks to fall for, but now-a-days the distrust and skeptisim towards the media not only makes that seem less than a sure bet, but makes the sort of bizarre conspiracy theory stuff that is partly (aside from that horror of it in and of itself--I don't mean to downplay the incident) behind why this particular incident is garnering this much attention, flourish to a frightening degree.
Its just such a confluence of different factors coming into play now--the corruption, or what is seen as corruption, at the governement level--the lack of a secure and dependable outlet for reliable information due to the corruption, or what is seen as the corruption, of the media and it's outlets (gone are the days of "Wategate" like reporting, seemingly)--the lack of a credible and trustworthy leader to lead of through this mess--and disturbing success of a few talking heads in stirring up of fringe elements and pushing people onto one side or the other, as if we can't even begin to find common ground even while that common ground gets trampeled in what passes for political discourse in Washington. Very distressing.
Fortunately there are still pockets of good news here and there--though I can't think of one at this moment.
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@JERK:
This guy seems schizo or something. I mean did you watch (read) the youtubes? They don't even really make grammatical sense half the time.
Apparently there's some far-right activist named David Wynn Miller who talks constantly about brain-washing people through grammar. Miller created Correct-Speak or Truth-Language or whatever it's called back in the late '80s because of his delusion. He uses that as some sort of odd code for his various rants so that his messages always come out like this:
FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE WRONG-SYNTAX-COMMUNICATION-TEACHINGS ARE WITH THE CLAIM OF THE TEACHINGS WITH THE LODIO-CONTRACT-VOID = AILING BY THE RULING-CLASS, GOV, KING, QUEEN, JUDGE, ATTORNEY, LAWYER, TEACHER, PRIEST, DOCTOR AND [PEOPLE JUST DO NOT KNOW!!!] OF EVERY-NATION ON EARTH WITH THE SLAVERY OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE CONTROL OF THE LICENSING-USURY AND TAXATION OF THE WATER, AIR, EARTH AND FIRE
I don't know how the code works exactly (something about always starting with prepositional phrases and a certain ratio of nouns per sentence), but a few people have noted that Loughner's ranting seem rather similar. Miller has even agreed with his viewpoints on grammar and government in interviews conducted since the shooting though he condemned the shooting.
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What.
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I'd go read some of the guy's videos … if the thought of it didn't terrify me.
I'm already living with my schizophrenic brother-in-law, and my bipolar sister, who had a baby with another man before they got back together again and are now married.
If someone told me some of the things he said though, I might be able to nod yes or no to his batshit insanity.
Though from what I've heard already, it's already making my head bob up and down.
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While the blizzards are freezing things at the north emisphere, here the rains are killing people.
In Rio de Janeiro, 340 people already died because of the rain.
In the Sudeste region, many cities are already flooded.!
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Wow, that picture is amazing. What terrible flooding. Stay safe GJardim
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Goddammit I'm a fucking crab now.
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I'm a Taurus now?
What a load of bull!
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Ah I am a taurus iso a gemini. Good! I always thought that these horoscopes were a little too accurate for me. Now I can go back into being totally cynical about it.
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So I'm an Aries now? Bull. I don't care what some astronomer says, I'm still a Taurus (it's only a four day difference anyway).
And besides, it's all arbitrary to begin with.
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cool I'm a pisces
get used to it.
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I was sometimes a Leo and sometimes a Virgo. (Aug 23)
I'm now a Leo! Fuck yeah! Lions are more awesome than virgins.
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Cute article. I am now a Sagittarius, it seems. Well, that's fine. Was supposed to be a Sag anyway, but I arrived a few weeks late. I guess this sorts things out.
Lions are more awesome than virgins.
A fact worth quoting.
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@Holy:
cool I'm a pisces
get used to it.
Welcome to the party my fishy friend.
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They only take effect if you're born after 2009.
Lions are more awesome than virgins.
Damn straight they are.
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I saw this article about Tunisia on NPR's website. Interesting stuff. The people are refusing to back down and let the current admin stay, despite the leader claiming he'd step down in 2014, lol.
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http://www.npr.org/2011/01/14/132925632/angry-demonstrators-march-on-tunisian-capitalAngry Demonstrators March On Tunisian Capital
by The Associated Press
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/01/14/tunisia-politics-unrest-protest_5841214_wide.jpg?t=1295008075&s=4 Fethi Belaid/AFP/Getty Images Tunisians shout slogans Friday during a protest rally in front the Interior ministry in Tunis. Thousands of Tunisians demanded the departure of President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in marches in the capital and other towns.
January 14, 2011
Thousands of angry demonstrators marched through Tunisia's capital Friday, demanding the resignation of the country's autocratic leader a day after he appeared on TV to try to stop deadly riots that have swept the North African nation.
Protesters chanted slogans against President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, including "Ben Ali, out!" and "Ben Ali, assassin!" One poster read "We won't forget," a reference to the rioters killed, many by police bullets.
Hundreds of police with shields and riot gear blocked the avenue in front of the Interior Ministry, where over the years there have been reports of torture. The march was organized by Tunisia's only legal trade union, which also went ahead with a symbolic two-hour strike in the region of the capital.
The official death toll in the riots is 23, but opposition figures say dozens more have been killed.
Pent-up anger at unemployment, and at a leadership many see as controlling and corrupt, has exploded into protests and clashes with police over the past few weeks. The demonstrations started in the provinces but this week reached Tunis, the capital of the Mediterranean tourist haven that has long been spared unrest.
"We want to end this dictatorship," said Wadia Amar, a university chemistry professor who demonstrated Friday. "The Ben Ali clan should be brought to justice. They've taken everything."
Facing the worst unrest in his 23 years in power, an unusually contrite Ben Ali went on television Thursday, making sweeping pledges for political and media freedom, saying he he'd leave the presidency when his term ends in 2014, and ordering prices on sugar, milk and bread slashed. After he spoke, buoyant crowds poured into the streets.
A day later, the applause were largely replaced by anger, though a few cries of "Long live Ben Ali" were heard coming from cars that sped down the main avenue.
Ben Ali also said the 75-year age limit on presidential candidates should remain untouched. That would mean Ben Ali, who is 74, would not be able to run for a sixth term in 2014.
The president, who came to power in a bloodless coup in 1987, has prevented potential successors from emerging, sent many opponents to jail or into exile and clamped down on the media and so[/hide]
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Fuck no!!!!! This is HUGE!
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Wow, I didn't expect it would end that soon. That's a good news for Tunisia, I do hope it will become a real democracy now.
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@Holy:
Yeah
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12195025
And now they kicked him out.
Wow. That is amazing. What a courageous people they are. I wonder what this will mean on a wider scale? It seems sort of like a modern day French revolution, in terms of the influence it could have on other peoples/nations.
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Yep, this is huge news. I never would have dreamed of something like this happening. Now it's the moment of truth, can Tunisia grow up to be the first Arab democracy and be the leading locomotive for the rest of them or will it fall prey to yet another dictator, the army, obscure islamists, etc… Please Tunisia do it!
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Today I'm the most proudest and happiest person ever. I didn't fucking believe we'd manage to pull this of it, since yesterday the pulled out the fucking army to guard the capital and even the suburbia (where my family lives, around 20 km away from the center). How the fuck do you mess with the army!? But we did it! And people are going fucking crazy on the streets. Just yesterday there was a fucking tank rolling around my town and now this! It really feels unreal as hell and I have this fantastic feeling I can't describe, a goddamn revolution just went down! FUCK YEAH. This… is... THE greatest day!
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That's pretty incredible. Just a few days ago it didn't look like he was going anywhere.