Berserk
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I wish the reach Elfheim soon
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man elfheim is turning into fishman island, you know there going to get there but the suspence of when they'll get there is enough to make you go crazy.
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so, demon born from human female.
why it doesnt make them human too?"every child yearn for their parents, even the evil one" << thinking about what the skull knight said after Guts saw his child was born
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so, demon born from human female.
why it doesnt make them human too?"every child yearn for their parents, even the evil one" << thinking about what the skull knight said after Guts saw his child was born
What the hell? Are you running out of things to wondering about?
And what's with your signature?If you consider human as a race, biologically, then you have to judge whether a creature is human based on appearance or their biological function. If you only care about what's inside then it matters not if a creature isn't human by biological standard.
Screw humans. Humans are arrogant. If there is a world with many races of the same intellectual level, then morality shouldn't be mixed with humanity. Like Fishmen in One Piece.
The problem with English is words like man, humanity is mixed with gender. In Japanese or Vietnamese, saying Jinbei is a male has the same spirit as saying "Jinbei is a man" in English, but more correct because Jinbei isn't human but a male fishman (which can be considered otoko as well). -
@Sea:
What the hell? Are you running out of things to wondering about?
And what's with your signature?what I mean by "why it doesnt make them human too?"
definetely is why those demons doesnt have human nose or teeth.
I think it's you who think human as what's insideabout my sig. it's my bussines
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Randomly re-readed the Alvion part. Not all of it. I stand by my point that the whole event is as convulted as it can be.
The Eggman is giving random people Apostle-like powers. Some of this people are from the holy church, and crazy as fuck. Then, it all goes to hell and spirits start killing people, turning them into Zombies, the God hand appears BUT it's only a "shadow", the crazy fuckers turned almost-Apostles start fighting against the zombies and the spirits. . .
Fuck it. Miura FTW!
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I think it's you who think human as what's inside
Doing a good deed is considered humane because in real life human is the only creature capable of doing something with high moral value, generally.
It still somewhat applies in case of Berserk's world.
But not all fictions. -
I'm talking about mommy, daddy, and DNA mixing to produce baby
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And you totally don't get what I was talking about.
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Inuyasha wasn't human. -
Randomly re-readed the Alvion part. Not all of it. I stand by my point that the whole event is as convulted as it can be.
The Eggman is giving random people Apostle-like powers. Some of this people are from the holy church, and crazy as fuck. Then, it all goes to hell and spirits start killing people, turning them into Zombies, the God hand appears BUT it's only a "shadow", the crazy fuckers turned almost-Apostles start fighting against the zombies and the spirits. . .
Fuck it. Miura FTW!
I have always wanted to see that part animated and properly animated to boot.
@Sea:
And you totally don't get what I was talking about.
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Inuyasha wasn't human.Inuyasha was an abomination, sorry not trying to cut into your conversation I just had to say that.
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Randomly re-readed the Alvion part. Not all of it. I stand by my point that the whole event is as convulted as it can be.
The Eggman is giving random people Apostle-like powers. Some of this people are from the holy church, and crazy as fuck. Then, it all goes to hell and spirits start killing people, turning them into Zombies, the God hand appears BUT it's only a "shadow", the crazy fuckers turned almost-Apostles start fighting against the zombies and the spirits. . .
Fuck it. Miura FTW!
Apostles have been able to turn mortals into monsters since the very very start. The Egg Apostle fucking with Mozgus and his men is exactly the same as The Count doing what he did to Zondark.
The spirits are like all the spirits that show up when Gutts and Casca are around except the pure amount of them and in the miserable state they are due to Albion being a complete shit hole makes everything go to shit worse then usual.
The Godhand are there, but since it's the mortal plane they lack any sort of real form.
It's a sort of Eclipse ceremony.
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316 comes out Oct. 22nd.
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@JERK:
Apostles have been able to turn mortals into monsters since the very very start. The Egg Apostle fucking with Mozgus and his men is exactly the same as The Count doing what he did to Zondark.
The spirits are like all the spirits that show up when Gutts and Casca are around except the pure amount of them and in the miserable state they are due to Albion being a complete shit hole makes everything go to shit worse then usual.
The Godhand are there, but since it's the mortal plane they lack any sort of real form.
It's a sort of Eclipse ceremony.
OK. Completely forgot about the count part. I thought it was just the Eggman giving powers to other people. I just thought it was weird that, considering he was kinda "emo-ish" and had a conscience and wasn't just "evil" like the other Apostles, him giving huge powers to clearly CRAZY people (who he knew were crazy) seemed weird to me.
And even more weird considering his "only" mission in live was to wait for Griffith to turn into his human form's vessel. -
you talking about human philosophy or something when I asking about biology.
@Sea:
Inuyasha wasn't human.
but inuyasha have human aspect
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but inuyasha have human aspect
sometime he turned into humanHe still wasn't human.
you talking about human philosophy or something when I asking about biology.
I was saying in some worlds you doesn't need to be considered human.
Since talking about biology here is kinda nonsense. -
I know he wasn't human.
but he has some human aspect.
because his mother was human.
why is the demon still demon if they born from human woman?so you answer my question with your own oppinion, no matter what answer I need?
I dont need lecture about humanity ==a -
why is the demon still demon if they born from human woman?
Because their biological functions are inhuman.
no matter what answer I need?
I thought the answer was too obvious to everyone.
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@Sea:
I thought the answer was too obvious to everyone.
if it obvious why you dont get what I'm talking about for the first place?
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Why the hell are you wondering why magical monsters (Trolls aren't demons) are defying biology??
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One word to explain it all.
FICTION.
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If you're asking about why Trolls born from human females aren't some kind of half-human hybrid(can't really tell, your english is terrible), I always assumed it was because they aren't actually conceived, but rather the act of a troll raping a woman inplants some kind of parasites inside their womb, that eventually grow and burst out.
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@VL7:
If you're asking about why Trolls born from human females aren't some kind of half-human hybrid(can't really tell, your english is terrible), I always assumed it was because they aren't actually conceived, but rather the act of a troll raping a woman inplants some kind of parasites inside their womb, that eventually grow and burst out.
This, basically.
The Daka created by Emperor Gansishka, on the other hand, could be considered "half-human", if that is indeed what you (SergeantJ) mean.
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@VL7:
If you're asking about why Trolls born from human females aren't some kind of half-human hybrid(can't really tell, your english is terrible), I always assumed it was because they aren't actually conceived, but rather the act of a troll raping a woman inplants some kind of parasites inside their womb, that eventually grow and burst out.
thx. this is the answer I need
half-human hybrid -
I'm applaud by the irony of Griffith saving Caska from being sexually assaulted only to be raped by him (Femdor) later on.
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I'm applaud by the irony of Griffith saving Caska from being sexually assaulted only to be raped by him (Femdor) later on.
Only?
I would say "to keep her virginity so that Guts can take it later on." -
@Sea:
Only?
I would say "to keep her virginity so that Guts can take it later on."No, not only. I'm applaud by the entire story line so far. The Flashback, Gut's character development, all the little pieces are patching up piece by piece, BUT since I haven't caught up with the manga yet, I'm bracing myself for more awesomeness.
There was a sense of consent with Guts, Femto just rammed through without an invitation. Although, Caska was loving it like McDonald fries. :ninja:
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No, not only. I'm applaud by the entire story line so far. The Flashback, Gut's character development, all the little pieces are patching up piece by piece, BUT since I haven't caught up with the manga yet, I'm bracing myself for more awesomeness.
There was a sense of consent with Guts, Femdor just rammed through without an invitation. Although, Caska was loving it like McDonald fries. :ninja:
I dont think she enjoyed that much, it crushed her soul and she got amnesia and became a simpleton to protect her mind. Generally The eclipse was many times more horrible to Caska because she was leader of the Hawks and much closer with them invidually than Guts, specially Judeaus death in front of her and herself become raped in front of Guts absolutely broked her.
I am not entirely sure is it so good idea to heal her in Elfheim, Guts want it over anything else with possible exception of Griffiths death because she wants his companion/woman back but Caska mayby dont want it, it wont be that pleasent to remember everything that happened in Eclipse…
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Probably one of the greatest moments in the series though might be Guts' current party meeting the Caska he fell in love with during Golden Age. It's going to be an incredibly awesome WTF moment, especially for Farnese.
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but Caska mayby dont want it, it wont be that pleasent to remember everything that happened in Eclipse…
Skull Knight actually brought that up after what happened at Flora's.
Depending on what the result of Casca's condition ends up being, it could very well lead to Guts finally reaching a breaking point and would serve as a catalyst for that Beast of Darkness within him to make a move. I don't bank on that happening myself since I figure Casca would attempt coming to terms with all that's happened due to seeing how far Guts has gone just for her, but it does seem like a plausible scenario that could happen. Basically it all ties into the whole casualty thing Skull Knight usually brings up. About how it's either saving Casca or getting his revenge on Griffith.
Plus I'm still curious who exactly that Behelit Guts is carrying around is for.
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Plus I'm still curious who exactly that Behelit Guts is carrying around is for.
Watch it be destined for Caska…
Just to further fuck Guts over.
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God, that would suck.
I'm sort of thinking the Behelit might actually be for Guts himself, but the time for it to awaken hasn't happened yet. Doesn't seem very plausible though so no point in giving that too much thought.
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Who would he sacrifice if it's for him? Unless it's Griffith he'd probably kill himself if the beast tricked him in to giving up his companions just to get revenge.
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God, that would suck.
I'm sort of thinking the Behelit might actually be for Guts himself, but the time for it to awaken hasn't happened yet. Doesn't seem very plausible though so no point in giving that too much thought.
Yet, that would give the series a massively "WTF???" turn. But as soon as the god hand appeared, the apostles would try to eat him, so I guess it couldn't happen. But seeing Guts offering Casca to the God hand because he has gone definitely insane, and becoming an uber apostle, would be a very good "what if?. . .".
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Aren't we going back to the old "can a sacrifice become an apostle" discussion? I thought the answer's no :wassat:
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Aren't we going back to the old "can a sacrifice become an apostle" discussion? I thought the answer's no :wassat:
Was that confirmed by the author himself? :ermm:
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I've never heard of such a rule.
But we can sure dig up the answer if it exists.
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Does it matter? Guts would never turn into an apostle anyway, these guys are the pawns of the god hand, even in pure insanity Guts wouldn't lower himself that much.
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@Zik:
Who would he sacrifice if it's for him? Unless it's Griffith he'd probably kill himself if the beast tricked him in to giving up his companions just to get revenge.
I'd say the group Guts is traveling with now, but the clincher that would even bring a thought like that into the forefront is Casca.
Let's say Casca gets cured of her condition, but as a result hates knowing all that happened to her and doesn't want to be anywhere near Guts since he'd serve as a sort of reminder. I mean take the one person who he allowed any kind of connection, emotionally, intimately, etc. away. Adding to that we know Guts has been all too desperate for any kind of reciprocation on her end, as shown with the reason Casca pretty much hates him now(the attempted rape and goading from the Beast of Darkness to kill her). She's pretty much the only reason that Guts hasn't gone back to he was post-Eclipse to after fighting Rosine, a revenge obsessed wanderer. That's why the Beast of Darkness never manifested itself during that time, in it's eyes everything was cool since there was nothing preventing Guts just going around killing ghosts, apostles, etc. alone without anyone holding him back.
Not that I see this happening, but if she's taken out of the equation in any way things could go bad pretty quick. I don't think she even has to die.
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i always thought somehow caska would retrieve her memory and mind, for finally being killed by griffith. thus making guts turn totally nuts, killing griffth and dying in the process.
but will we even see the end of berserk someday? can i hope to see guts even kill one god hand before i turn 40?
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I love how the author depicted the symbolism between Guts being a spectator while the rest of the hawks bounded their dreams to Griffith. He showed Guts in a dark place, looking down at their camp that looks similar to a gathering of little flames. Brilliant story work.
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Been leafing through old volumes as a result of the surge in activity in this thread and I stumbled over one scene that I can't explain. Volume 6 page 144 ff.
It's the scene where Minister Foss confronts Griffith with the "rumor" that the poisoned arrow was not aimed at the princess but at Griffith. Why does Foss confront him so directly and in person? It seems like a very risky move, since he says two pages later that he was and is sure Griffith had Julius killed. What did Foss think he could gain from this conversation?
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Been leafing through old volumes as a result of the surge in activity in this thread and I stumbled over one scene that I can't explain. Volume 6 page 144 ff.
It's the scene where Minister Foss confronts Griffith with the "rumor" that the poisoned arrow was not aimed at the princess but at Griffith. Why does Foss confront him so directly and in person? It seems like a very risky move, since he says two pages later that he was and is sure Griffith had Julius killed. What did Foss think he could gain from this conversation?
Intimidation? He was hoping to scare Griffith with the idea that someone is out there trying to get rid of him but it failed and backfired on him later though.
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Been leafing through old volumes as a result of the surge in activity in this thread and I stumbled over one scene that I can't explain. Volume 6 page 144 ff.
It's the scene where Minister Foss confronts Griffith with the "rumor" that the poisoned arrow was not aimed at the princess but at Griffith. Why does Foss confront him so directly and in person? It seems like a very risky move, since he says two pages later that he was and is sure Griffith had Julius killed. What did Foss think he could gain from this conversation?
If I recall he was trying to gauge Griffith's level of suspicion and also see how shaken he was.
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i always thought somehow caska would retrieve her memory and mind, for finally being killed by griffith. thus making guts turn totally nuts, killing griffth and dying in the process.
My vision for the ending differs very much from that. I see an army opposing Griffith, perhaps led by Guts, Caska or Farnese, defeating Griffith and thwarting his dream. Griffith's physical form is killed, perhaps Guts/Caska's child allowing him to get struck down, and Griffith retreats to the Abyss, his hopes for ruling dashed for another millennium. This would be the climax of the series' action.
Guts then uses the Behelit he claimed from the Count and pursues Griffith into the Abyss. I don't know what motivation he'll have for pursuing Griffith at this point - I don't think it'll be revenge, in fact I highly doubt it'll be that. But Guts might have gained an appreciation for protecting his friends + family, and is voluntarily going to the Abyss to eradicate the God Hand threat.
I don't think Miura will show this final battle, but give an epilogue implying Guts at least slew Femto, yet leaving everything else ambiguous. Maybe Caska and his friends waiting for him to come back. I highly doubt Guts' role in this series would be to defeat Idea of Evil's plans or all the God Hand. Guts killing Femto, Skull Knight killing Void would be just about as big of a victory mortals could EVER hope to achieve. In fact it's ridiculous sounding just hearing it, because the God Hand are some immensely powerful and it would be precedent.
But a strike against Idea's absolute grip on humanity, with some hope that human belief can be transformed, would be a believable conclusion.
God, that would suck.
I'm sort of thinking the Behelit might actually be for Guts himself, but the time for it to awaken hasn't happened yet. Doesn't seem very plausible though so no point in giving that too much thought.
It's not.
Behelits are connected to a person's destiny (orchestrated by Idea, God Hand), and the Behelit Guts acquired was linked to the Count's. Guts is said to have no destiny/determines his own fate, so it would be coincidence the Count's Behelit has fallen into his hands. Skull Knight has obtained many Behelits over the years and used them to build his Sword of Resonance,
Guts has always existed outside of Idea's master plan, supposedly. It's been one of my great questions of how if this is true, how Griffith ended up going down his path toward becoming Femto. Since Guts was so instrumental in getting Griffith to turn, I've wondered if Guts' random variable nature was incorporated into Idea's intrigue, or if it was just a happy accident that Griffith met Guts and became Femto because of him.
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yeah the end must be awesome and not straigthforward
I figured that the ending must take place in Falconia,
and Falconia in some way beeing not thaaat nice a place,( I dunno pretty much every place in Berserk has been pretty nasty^^, pretty hard to top them) or it actually is paradise.. "I created paradise on earth, are you willing to destroy it? Are you willing to destroy me? Are you willing to destroy what their sacrifice has created?" ..uh answer pending, but I would guess "eat sword" -
I've never heard of such a rule.
But we can sure dig up the answer if it exists.
When we first see the God Hand(volume 2 or so), it is implied that a sacrifice can neither sacrifice nor be sacrificed more than once.
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@JERK:
If I recall he was trying to gauge Griffith's level of suspicion and also see how shaken he was.
Yes, that's is what he says, but on the same page he also says that he is sure it was Griffith even though the test was negative. Griffith was not shaken at all. So Foss didn't need a test to begin with. It's kinda unlike him to take a risk with nothing to gain.
@Renegadesoul:Intimidation? He was hoping to scare Griffith with the idea that someone is out there trying to get rid of him but it failed and backfired on him later though.
This is more like what I'm thinking right now. Maybe Foss hoped for a mental breakdown when implying he uncovered his schemes; Giving him the change to blackmail Griffith and make him his own pawn.
Now the correct one of these two is of course the test story because that's what it actually says in the book. But I see that I'm not the only one who though that explanation is a bit weak and who would have like there to be a different one.
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My vision for the ending differs very much from that. I see an army opposing Griffith, perhaps led by Guts, Caska or Farnese, defeating Griffith and thwarting his dream. Griffith's physical form is killed, perhaps Guts/Caska's child allowing him to get struck down, and Griffith retreats to the Abyss, his hopes for ruling dashed for another millennium. This would be the climax of the series' action.
ahahahahahaha
God damn it Terek, I thought you had learned.
Griffith is not in his physical form.
What part of him being Femto when he killed Ganishke went over your head.
What part of the Fantasia sequence went over your head?
There won't be an abyss to retreat to because the world are slowly merging.It's not.
Behelits are connected to a person's destiny (orchestrated by Idea, God Hand), and the Behelit Guts acquired was linked to the Count's.
And the Count is dead, what makes you think they don't get recycled?
Guts is said to have no destiny/determines his own fate,
Gutts struggles against it, that's a far fucking cry ftom being free from it.
He isn't actually free at all.
Look at Skull Knight, he's Gutts Advanced and even he played directly into fate unwittingly when he inadvertently allowed Femto to merge worlds using his dimensional blade and Ganishka. -
It wouldn't be surprising if Behelits(aside from Crimson ones which turn people into a God Hand rather than an apostle) are recycled. I mean we do know they can be used more than once, like during the whole situation with the Count that Zephos brought up. I guess it depends on the circumstances whether it's for giving up one's humanity in order to become an apostle or another reason.
Guts has always existed outside of Idea's master plan, supposedly. It's been one of my great questions of how if this is true, how Griffith ended up going down his path toward becoming Femto. Since Guts was so instrumental in getting Griffith to turn, I've wondered if Guts' random variable nature was incorporated into Idea's intrigue, or if it was just a happy accident that Griffith met Guts and became Femto because of him.
Guts isn't outside of anything, he's just able to fight against whatever the status quo is, and so far things haven't gone exactly in his favor. Especially since both his and Casca's presence during the Tower of Rebirth arc is what drew enough otherworldly creatures and more importantly, their child, to the place and resulted in Femto gaining a body to influence the physical plane.
Besides, we already know the answer to Femto's creation, or at least a general idea. Everything that happened to Griffith has been planned for who knows how long just for the moment in which he has to decide to become the final God Hand or not. The Idea of Evil itself told Griffith in that chapter which was removed later on since I guess the author thought it gave too much away.