Revolutionary army till death brother lol
Hunter x Hunter
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I hope we don't all have to look back fondly on the carefree days of today's internet.
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pirates are nearly always 1 step ahead anyway, even if sites were shut down people would torrent more anyway
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Problem is that eventualy people could get serious and make actualy vieweing this thing prosecutable . I know it happens in individual cases but I'm talking about Jump/Viz sueing like 2-3 thousand fans who certifiably read scanlations .
Would realy take the fun out of things .
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Yeah, because it's more likely for them to track every http request in the world and have a task force to prosecute them, rather than go digital distribution.
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If the crap that the australians want to instalt to make them on the level of China when it comes to free internet acess is virtualy unopossable now , you can only dread what people are gonna do to make themselves get more atention in the future .
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It took a Tezuka to make a Toriyama.
It took a Toriyama to make an Oda.
It took an Oda to make a…
So we went from a man who redefined manga and even created the genre's we know and love to day. With at least 100 titles under his belt
to.
A man that had 2 long running series and barely remembers characters from 'em, Who was also a lazy artist (not in the sketchy sense mind you) but when it came to drawing battles he purposely had characters ""destroy"" the land scape that way he wouldn't have a lot of background to draw. Which I find ingenious, well he still draws but the torch his being passed onto
a man who would be referred today as a living legend, well in japan not so much in America, the manga legend here is still toriyama and it's slowly becoming kishimoto that's only because people judge a series way too much on it's artwork, if it doesn't look like generic anime they won't watch it.@Friend:
pirates are nearly always 1 step ahead anyway, even if sites were shut down people would torrent more anyway
I hate using torrents
@No:
Problem is that eventualy people could get serious and make actualy vieweing this thing prosecutable . I know it happens in individual cases but I'm talking about Jump/Viz sueing like 2-3 thousand fans who certifiably read scanlations .
Would realy take the fun out of things .
I just don't see why they just can't put their library up, have some of the series free and the others for paying customers and some series make it half. Hell they could even share this idea with del rey, tokyopop and dark horse that way there would be an even larger library.
As he mentioned in one of his SW interviews (I've done and am still doing so many that I can't remember if it's one I translated or made public yet) he's using One Piece as a catchall for every manga he'd ever want to draw.
Since he's made each island so unique and so very different, each of them are basically his own little 'insert-theme'-Manga. Using his example if he wanted to do a high school comic, all he has to do is make a high school island and voila.
Probably around the time of Blue he didn't think it would continue to be this huge and fully intended to work on other full series, but anything he does afterwards will be, in his own words, similar to what Toriyama does now.
I allways thought that OP felt like a bunch of story's crammed into one giant story.
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It doesn't necessarily have to have some SUPER DEEP AND AVANT-GARDE TRUTH for fuck's sake. The psychoanalysis in that situation was eminently for suspense;
Heavy duty psychoanalysis for suspense belongs in comics like Liar Game and Death Note. Where the conflicts are entirely mental to begin with.
It's clumsy and slow in an action scene. Naruto's done it too to the same negative effect. See Neji vs. Spider guy.no matter what you're trying to say with your A PICTURE PAINT A THOUSAND WOOOORDS logic, there's very few ways that he could have successfully made such a seemingly insignificant situation so intense without the heavy narration.
So then you're saying the situation wasn't exciting in of itself and could only be dipped in logorrhea juice.
Then maybe he should write more exciting goddamn scenes.
Which frankly, it was exciting enough anyway.
Back to the same naivety that his style of narration and explication is objectively "painful."
I can't help it if OCD readers enjoy OCD writing.
But I know all of this is unhealthy lol.He's still managing to experiment with the narration
This is not a goddamn experiment.
and split-of-the-moment thoughts of his characters while moving the story along quite nicely.
ahahahaha
Say what you fucking want about this style, but don't even start with telling us it's moving along quite nicely lol.
The pace hasn't truly suffered in any major way
How long did the stairway thing take. A fucking whole book?
with his use of psychoanalysis, and the end of this arc seems to be more lucid than it's ever been.
Only because he killed off Yupi and Pitou in ridiculously sudden and pretty disappointing ways. If he's not moving innocuous scenes at full speed, he's moving important ones in the blink of an eye. Or not even on panel,
Except he's not just slapping it down in front of us? He manages to tie in the character's thoughts and anxieties just fine. He's not just saying NETERO WAS SURPRISED BY THE KING'S STRENGTH; he's shown that through narration in more creative ways.
More creative then the best way, which would be expressions, something Togashi is actually really good at. But I guess a bunch of goddamned words was ideal.
Where'd you fucking read this? Your high school HOW TO WRITE AN ESSAY textbook?
Bitch do you even know you're talking to a seconds away from graduating Screenwriting major?
If you have never even heard of "show don't tell" don't start talking about writing.Yes, there can obviously be a load of problems with over narration and excessive detail, but Togashi
But nothing, you described his problem here perfectly.
Can a title to a painting not completely change the viewers understanding and interpretation of it?
Artists don't title paintings as part of the art.
It's hardly a mistake in any context, and it's delusional and close-minded to think it is. Writing by some stupid THESE ARE THE MISTAKES IN WRITING NEVER DO THIS list is narrow-minded as fuck.
What are you fucking blind? I explained the damn reason. I'm not just waving a rulebook at you. I'm waving my real world fucking experience, education, and the exact self explanatory reason.
Fearing standard, common and perhaps amateur techniques is incredibly pretentious.
Babys first writing shittiness that simultaneously simplifies and overcomplicates everything by taking 20 hours to explain what the simple finesse of drawing body signals should be able to do maybe with a slight bit of character thoughts to cover technical things otherwise unknowable.
Considering you didn't even seem to think psychology could be expressed without this thought shit you shouldn't be talking at all. Because you clearly can't even begin to understand why this is a loss rather then a gain. You think you have something new here, something we couldn't have otherwise.
Do you think every great writer purposely went out of the way to not make whatever mistakes his English teacher criticized and forewarned?
You're just humpin' away at the leg of this being a bland rulebook issue lol.
Trying to write like that is just as cookie cutter as making bland and uninteresting sentences.
It's so bland and cookie cutter to have the exact same elements, except not announced on a verbal loudspeaker in essay length.
His series is quite obviously popular, so he's evidently doing something that a large crowd finds interesting,
Ahaaha, Phenomenal in da house.
but apparently he's making amateur and cringeworthy mistakes.
I guess I really have you on the ropes if you're already flinging dregs like this.
Not saying popularity equals good,
Oh not at all, aside from the fact that that's exactly damn well what you just did.
but there's no backing for you picking out why his writing is mediocre. Don't act like the baron of good prose when you can't even differentiate between the correct and incorrect usage of "your" or "you're" half the time.
Funny how prose has nothing to with grammar.
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Anyway, it's never a good idea to persecute fans. Many fans buy the manga.
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Wow I just got done back reading 5 pages in this thread and all I got aside from the oda interview comments which I have to agree with since I want to be a mangaka (i'll just have to settle with self publishing which isn't a bad thing but very rarely are self published comics noticed) but seeing as how I live in america…yeah.
I stumbled across the argument of the whole narration aspect, which I believe is done very well, if you want a non worded artistic narration that doesn't feel like a kubo slop fest read shamo.
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I never read HxH in weekly chapters, so I started reading it after the last hiatus was over (I think it happened before Netero vs the King) but I still can see what Zephos means. I've read through HxH in one go, but I got occasionally got annoyed at Togashi just explaining stuff way too much. I noticed it first during the Yorkshin arc, but I liked it back then, because every bit of information was important, since the whole Genei Ryodan matter had a lot of different views from different characters in it, and showed how both sides considering different methods to solve a problem or handle a situation, where every little thing was important in the bigger picture. Greed Island on the other hand, was a little boring at times.
And damn, the narration in the chimera ant arc really did get annoying. It's like someone just tells you something you would figure out anyway and pretty much explains stuff that is right happening in front of you. -
Togashi didn't have the same style when he was writing YYH, but he still had some in depth descriptions for certain weapons. I prefer HxH overall though.
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I never found the narration style boring or out of place. I always enjoy it. It gives a depth to the HxH-world and It's Togasi's style.
For example he could have passed Knuckle's nen explanation and it wouldn't have bothered the story (some people might even have understood the whole power by his succesive fights), but Togashi wants to make sure everyone understands the complexity he created.
It's true that certain passages, like the Ikalgo-Broda fight, are a bit boring, but that's not because of the narrating style, but more because those characters aren't interesting.
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The narration and constant explanation during the Greed island arc was annoying for me only because when I play RPGs I don't ask all the townspeople questions and I don't read all of the instructions for each weapon ability either. I figure it out on my own and get the gist of it rather quickly. So getting through it was a chore.
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I like knowing the motivations behind the characters, I cared just as much for the octopus guy as any of his allies (that is Gon's group).
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@Zik:
The narration and constant explanation during the Greed island arc was annoying for me only because when I play RPGs I don't ask all the townspeople questions and I don't read all of the instructions for each weapon ability either. I figure it out on my own and get the gist of it rather quickly. So getting through it was a chore.
Dude you just figured out how togashi can spend over 100 hours on DQ
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Dude you just figured out how togashi can spend over 100 hours on DQ
Somebody should buy Togashi the DQ manual then.
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I never found the narration style boring or out of place. I always enjoy it. It gives a depth to the HxH-world and It's Togasi's style.
For example he could have passed Knuckle's nen explanation and it wouldn't have bothered the story (some people might even have understood the whole power by his succesive fights), but Togashi wants to make sure everyone understands the complexity he created.
It's true that certain passages, like the Ikalgo-Broda fight, are a bit boring, but that's not because of the narrating style, but more because those characters aren't interesting.
Lol, depth. Apparently all you have to do to make a story complex is to write down every little thing that's happening in front of your eyes.
Edit: Oh and FYI, explaining a tricky power is standard practice everyone does so as not to confuse the readers and far from a revolutionary style you're making it out to be.
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As I said the amount of narration in the Octopus vs. Lobster scene was a little unnecessary.
It wasn't unnecessary, I wouldn't have understood the strategies used if nobody explained it to me. And I am sure I am not alone in this case.
how many situations are there in any manga in which two character are both putting their lives on the line?
This one was different since this wasn't really a fight to begin with, strenght wasn't really involved in it. They both tried to outsmart their opponent, so I don't see any problem to see two people thinking a lot in this battle.
That's different in the sense that Vagabond always had introspection revolving around Musashi and that the entire fight revolved around Musashi for the first time actually knowing what it's like to fear an opponent and how that was a valuable lesson of not throwing away his life so easily as well as the whole power of spirit aspect, it was a turning point for Musashi as a fighter that would lead up to him getting stronger and taking on the Yoshioka. Hardly comparable.
I don't know why, inner monologue were always used in HxH too, Pakunoda is the most obvious example. The fight always had a psychological aspect with the characters actually trying to figure out how their opponent's power worked.
The use he made of the narrator is something new but it was rarely used for descriptive purpose only (I remember it was a bit the case at the beginning), but also to explain why people are acting the way they are according to their experience or personality. Some connections were really enjoyable, for instance, I like how he compared the situation were Pitou jumped towards Netero to protect the king to the situation where he jumped towards Kaitou.@Thousand:
Lol, depth. Apparently all you have to do to make a story complex is to write down every little thing that's happening in front of your eyes.
Because you really believe we think HxH is a complex story because of the narrator?
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Because you really believe we think HxH is a complex story because of the narrator?
I never found the narration style boring or out of place. I always enjoy it. It gives a depth to the HxH-world and It's Togasi's style.
Pretty much. HunterxHunter fans are suckered into thinking they're reading some super complex, deep, mature series simply because of some superficial, unnecessary thought bubbles. The tragedy in this is it's the same trick that Kubo uses to draw in Bleach fans.
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Does someone here know how far the anime reaches from HxH?
Or at least how many episodes are so far published?The anime OVA reach up to Greed Island arc, but no further. The weekly series ended near the climax of Genei Ryodan arc if I recall right.
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That's standard world building and has nothing to do with story complexity.
It has something to do with story complexity, the actions of lots of characters depend on the place they are. If NGL wasn't an isolated place, this whole arc wouldn't have existed in the first place, since people would have reported to the hunter committee the existence of the ants, and they would have killed the queen before she gave birth to the King.
Actually we could, how about having your characters explain it?
LOL, I am glad HxH doesn't do that. Whenever I see a guy explaining his power to his opponent, it makes me rage. Hey, that's a death match, it's stupid to give some hints to your opponent.
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There would be enough interest from fans. If anything HxH has a loyal fanbase.
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@ Nomaam: Tell that to Kubo who does weekly manga but writes shit. Who says though he isn't going through divorce or whatever though? I know Oda will be brought up again at this point. I'm still not sure why Togashi has special rights anyway. Are there precidents with other major shonen mangaka?
Precedents . But okay .
I guess Jump is afraid the nagative reaction they would get if they ended HXH would be greater then the negative reactions they get as it doesn't come out .
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There you go then that's explained. I would be really pissed off if HxH got cancelled especially if Bleach continued. I really don't want to go through another Bouken oh beet again, although I'm adamant that series may one day be off hiatus. Been waiting 4 years now like.
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I realy want the series to either be back permanently or end after the ant arc . Anything else would be nothing short of physical torture .
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…yeah, this being open with no chapters coming out is apparently a mistake.
Finish your whiskey or beer guys. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
