Chapter 597: "3D2Y" Discussion
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Hold on guys, we're here to talk about OP, for me in any case….
@Don:
Which kind of Haki you guys think will Zoro use in the future?
I mean Mihawk should show him also those kinds of haki..but Kings Haki i guess is reserved for Luffy^^ (but also Rayleigh as the second mate of Roger can use it,thought)I think Zoro's futur haki might be the 'color of observation' or/and 'color of the conquerer'.
Mihawk can probably use only those two type, because once, he is pretty famous and this aspect of 'celebrity' that Rayleigh-san point out to Luffy is practically a prouf of disposition toward Kings haki and twice, I remembered Mihawk and Zoro's first meeting, Zoro was fighting him with his sentoryu style and Mihawk used a little knife to defeat him…He probably managed to anticipate Zoro's movement...And the last color of Haki, "of Armements" must be the one that Mihawk can't control. If it was the case, he could silce Joz or Buggy, but it's not.
The power of this haki can be 'imbued into weapons' and Mihawk's sword had not this ability.Otherwise, Oda is awesome, things getting more and more interesting.
New World, New Beginning, New caracters, New palpitation...(sorry if I made too much mistakes, my english isn't perfect )
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I meant drastic changes to the Strawhats, basically.Luffy with facial hair would be…weird.
From one of Oda's Romance Dawn one shots. :)
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Just read the chapter and it was great. It was the first time we've ever seen Mihawk smile and laugh. I was expecting the time skip to be one year or less, wasn't expecting two. Scene with Rayleigh explaining Haki was also very cool as well.
It's time for an epic training montage!
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But seriously, does anyone else think it would be kinda cool if Oda put one in?
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I actually think that zoro definitely has conqueror's haki, he is already famous/made a name for himself and he intimidates the hell out of people.
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I actually think that zoro definitely has conqueror's haki, he is already famous/made a name for himself and he intimidates the hell out of people.
No, he's just that badass.
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it just me or all OP Fandom really try their best (and worst) to tied in all past abilities to haki ?
why can't we just use the past explanation ? at this rate we wil got a theory that tied in df power to haki :getlost:.
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We finally get a haki explanation.
People still doubting.
Think I under stand the anti-time-skip reasons now.
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It hasn't even been days since this chapter has been released.
Ssshhhiiissshhh!!! Quit it all of you. Chapter discussion only or feel our wrath. -
Okay, back to discussion!! I don't think anyone was really paying attention to this at the time, but Shift brought up an interesting point that was kind of neat, like the plants being from Strong World. The humandrills look an awful lot like the monkey from Gedatsu's cover story. Now this may not be that important, since it would seem like he's not coming back in the main plot or anything, but it makes you wonder, if that's the case, how that one humandrill got there. Here's a picture of it:
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Who else is hoping for usopp to eat some sort of devil fruit? Some type of Beatle Zoan would be SICK.
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Who else is hoping for usopp to eat some sort of devil fruit? Some type of Beatle Zoan would be SICK.
Ussopun! King of the Bugs!
Or
Ussopun! The man with 8000 followers!
Now the 8000 followers will be bugs xD
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zoro definitely has that armorment haki that lets you hit logias, and he's going to put it into his weapon.
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Why do people keep thinking Zoro is going to fight a logia?
And surely it would make more sense for Zoro to have the prediction haki seeing as he is a swordsman, who fight on predicting the opponents moves and sanji to have the destructive armoured haki seeing as that is how he fights. -
Why do people keep thinking Zoro is going to fight a logia?
And surely it would make more sense for Zoro to have the prediction haki seeing as he is a swordsman, who fight on predicting the opponents moves and sanji to have the destructive armoured haki seeing as that is how he fights.If Zoro becomes the worlds greatest swordsmen without being able to cut a Logia.
That would be majorly disappointing for that title.
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18 is the prime for women. After that, it's all downhill.
Oh my. I'm afraid you have that wrong, dear. It's that way for MEN. Women hit their prime at a much older age. LOL.
But if it makes you happy, you keep dreaming your little dreams.
@Don:
That again proves that only those with a strong mind and absolute believe in their actions can use it.
The more you believe in hard situation in yourself the more the power will help you.
Rly good for a comeback in a fight.
Also Luffy trusting his crewmates blind will sure power up that Haki^^Also iam wondering a bit obout Colour of Observation.
When two guys use it in a fight at the same time they should normally be able to predict every move from their opponent and so never be able to hit the enemy nor getting punched^^Yes, I agree–the great comeback power Luffy has already displayed has to be linked to the King's haki--but there has to be more to it than knocking out fodder and animals and bending wood planks. It's such an awe-inspiring power that everyone at the war was impressed. I'm still waiting to see more, because there must be more.
Nice point about two people using the observation haki at the same time. I wonder how that will work? It's gotta come up in a battle sooner or later.
@Don:
Usopp is the one who invents stuff for the crew (like the Clima-Takt)
and is also the cannoneer of the crew.
(dont forget he
s also the vice capt`n:happy:)No. He is not the vice-anything. He learned that lesson finally, and with a D-O-N, in W7. (Oh yes, I went there, and I bought property, lol!)
@Kairouseki:
After thinking it over, that means that Coby has King's Ambition as well :ermm: .
Why do you say this? I see no evidence of this anywhere.
zoro definitely has that armorment haki that lets you hit logias, and he's going to put it into his weapon.
Ok. I was arguing against Zoro gaining any sort of HAki over the break, but after reading several people's posts, I agree that Mihawk seems to imbue his sword with haki, and no doubt he would teach that technique to Zoro, so yes, I've cough cough changed my mind. cough It's a woman's perogative.
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Well there's also the fact that after Zoro defeats Daz Bones in Alabasta, Daz asks him if he's going to cut diamond next. Jozu is made of diamonds and it wouldn't be that far of a stretch to suppose that they might end up fighting each other. Plus, Mihawk himself can't cut diamond. Zoro has to defeat him and will probably gain that power, which will show he's stronger than Mihawk.
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If Zoro becomes the worlds greatest swordsmen without being able to cut a Logia.
That would be majorly disappointing for that title.
I'm not saying he could'nt but Rayleigh said everyone can learn both and specialise in one.
It makes more sense to me for a swordsman to specialise in reading opponents movements than to perform 'haki blocks'. -
I'm not saying he could'nt but Rayleigh said everyone can learn both and specialise in one.
It makes more sense to me for a swordsman to specialise in reading opponents movements than to perform 'haki blocks'.Oh I apologize read it wrong.
Well to me I think Zoro will utilize both mantra and Armor haki. Armor makes the most sense for him, to imbued his swords. For me at least but you do have good points for him utilizing mantra as well. Why not both? In my opinion I think he clearly showed signs of using both against Mr.1.
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Firefist, I love your sig so much. I also think Zoro will master two types of haki.
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And the last color of Haki, "of Armements" must be the one that Mihawk can't control. If it was the case, he could silce Joz or Buggy, but it's not.
The power of this haki can be 'imbued into weapons' and Mihawk's sword had not this ability.Actually Jozu could also control Colour of Armements , so even when Mihawk was using it, he can get stopped by Jozu with countering with the same.
Also wouldn`t it be the best for a swordman to train more the Colour of Observation to counter fatal swordslashs etc.
Colour of Armements he would also need, but actually it would be enough when he is able to combine his Haki with his sword. -
Why do people keep thinking Zoro is going to fight a logia?
And surely it would make more sense for Zoro to have the prediction haki seeing as he is a swordsman, who fight on predicting the opponents moves and sanji to have the destructive armoured haki seeing as that is how he fights.Why are so many pigeon-holing the colors of haki.
Rayleigh said that most people have a preference and it's the one they're best at. All the while showcasing each of the three colors.If Luffy is to Roger, then Zoro should be to Rayleigh and should be capable of using all three at some point later in the story.
All the SH crew members should be capable of using at least the color of armament and color of observation, as Rayleigh stated any person can utilize these two.
Personally, I'm hoping that Luffy will master all three colors and this is what will give him a distinction above your average experienced haki user.
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Why are so many pigeon-holing the colors of haki.
Rayleigh said that most people have a preference and it's the one they're best at. All the while showcasing each of the three colors.If Luffy is to Roger, then Zoro should be to Rayleigh and should be capable of using all three at some point later in the story.
All the SH crew members should be capable of using at least the color of armament and color of observation, as Rayleigh stated any person can utilize these two.
Personally, I'm hoping that Luffy will master all three colors and this is what will give him a distinction above your average experienced haki user.
I thought we were more or less talking about where we would be at the end of the time skip–not the end of the story. I was anyway.
MHO is that I don't think Zoro will have learned all three by the end of the timeskip--I think only one--although Luffy may because he has been shown to be extraordinary in that way---but then again it would leave him room to grow, which we love to see and ODa loves to write, so no--Luffy will have the basics down, but not mastered by the end of the time skip. (I know--it's a risky assessment :wassat:, But I'm that brave today. LOL)
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On a less thinky-wordy-theory note, so Mihawk's laugh is "Wahahahahaha"?
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@I:
Oh my. I'm afraid you have that wrong, dear. It's that way for MEN. Women hit their prime at a much older age. LOL.
Keep dreaming old lady
Yes, I agree–the great comeback power Luffy has already displayed has to be linked to the King's haki--but there has to be more to it than knocking out fodder and animals and bending wood planks. It's such an awe-inspiring power that everyone at the war was impressed. I'm still waiting to see more, because there must be more.
Yup, exactly that is what i was thinking about the last days.
Kings Haki seems to be rly impressing but actually so far its just useful against fodder or weaker guys. It will be interesting how it can be used to gain you an advantage against enemys equal\or higher in strenght than oneself. We know that you can
t train that Haki but when your will to win gets more and more powerful also your King`s Haki will get more powerfulSo far i can imagine a scene where Luffy seems beaten by a opponent but his will to save someone brings out his powerful Kings Haki which will freeze the enemy and Luffy will get some of his physical strenght to beat him finally.
But other then that i can`t imagine how he will use it in an endbattle.
Other then that Colour of Armement could be easily combined with his gears.^^Nice point about two people using the observation haki at the same time. I wonder how that will work? It's gotta come up in a battle sooner or later.
I think Sponge had here a good point.
He was saying that also Enel was at some point unable to block Luffys attacks even when he was using his mantra.
So I guess when such two opponents(both using Colour of Observation) would clash against each other the one who gets quicker tired and\or the one who can move quicker as the opponent can react physical(even when he can see it coming via his Colour of Observation) would win that battle.No. He is not the vice-anything. He learned that lesson finally, and with a D-O-N, in W7. (Oh yes, I went there, and I bought property, lol!)
Re-read recently that scene..and because iam a HUGE Usopp fan i actually had again some tears in my eyes:cwy:
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Why are so many pigeon-holing the colors of haki.
Rayleigh said that most people have a preference and it's the one they're best at. All the while showcasing each of the three colors.If Luffy is to Roger, then Zoro should be to Rayleigh and should be capable of using all three at some point later in the story.
All the SH crew members should be capable of using at least the color of armament and color of observation, as Rayleigh stated any person can utilize these two.
Personally, I'm hoping that Luffy will master all three colors and this is what will give him a distinction above your average experienced haki user.
Sorry I was'nt too clear with the first post, I made it clearer in this one below.
@Maki707:I'm not saying he could'nt but Rayleigh said everyone can learn both and specialise in one.
It makes more sense to me for a swordsman to specialise in reading opponents movements than to perform 'haki blocks'.As for Zoro learning King's Haki, i am severly against that. It is meant to be a only 1 in something million has it and we are seeing quite a few people with it already. I think Zoro having it would demean the whole idea of Luffy having it.
I don't think it is neccesary for the strawhats outside the 'monster trio' to learn haki either. I don't think every fight in part 2 needs to revolve around this new concept. The series had good enough fights without it before this chapter. -
Blah, some people are already calling the current One Piece chapters "Part 1." shivers
I think that the monster trio will all be able to use Haki to the extent that they can hit logias. But that really seems to be a basic skill as far as that color goes, so none of them have to master it to use it. I think that Sanji will get really good with armament and observation Haki (neither truly mastered), Zoro will master armament and be familiar with observation, and Luffy will master Conqueror's while being familiar with armament (and failing at observation). As long as they can get through enemy defenses, they're fine; mastering Haki should come second to mastering their devil fruit/swordplay/foot work.
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Since Zoro is spending two years with Perona and Mihawk, I wonder if we'll be seeing a gothic/darker new look for Zoro.
Well i think as well that MIhawk will fall and Shilew will take his place
I agree with this. I don't know how I feel about it, but Mihawk becoming sort of a mentor to Zoro makes me think it's going to happen. Mihawk becoming Zoro's teacher was kind of unexpected, and it would make sense for this to happen. I can totally see Shilew killing Mihawk, and Zoro avenging his death (becoming the greatest swordsman).
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@Don:
Keep dreaming old lady
Oh! Such sass. Youth these days! No respect!
Yup, exactly that is what i was thinking about the last days.
Kings Haki seems to be rly impressing but actually so far its just useful against fodder or weaker guys. It will be interesting how it can be used to gain you an advantage against enemys equal\or higher in strenght than oneself. We know that you can
t train that Haki but when your will to win gets more and more powerful also your King`s Haki will get more powerfulSo far i can imagine a scene where Luffy seems beaten by a opponent but his will to save someone brings out his powerful Kings Haki which will freeze the enemy and Luffy will get some of his physical strenght to beat him finally.
But other then that i can`t imagine how he will use it in an endbattle.
Other then that Colour of Armement could be easily combined with his gears.^^Hmm. I wonder. If the opponent is strong willed enough, I thought the power would be impotent on him/her. Are you thinking that after they get tired from a battle they may become vulnerable to the king's haki power, when earlier they were not?
But yeah, there's got to be more to the king's haki thing. I wonder which of the three, for example, Rayleigh used when he took off the neck rings at the auction house? Seems likely to be armament haki, but could be the power that also has been shown to bend planks, yk?
I think Sponge had here a good point.
He was saying that also Enel was at some point unable to block Luffys attacks even when he was using his mantra.
So I guess when such two opponents(both using Colour of Observation) would clash against each other the one who gets quicker tired and\or the one who can move quicker as the opponent can react physical(even when he can see it coming via his Colour of Observation) would win that battle.But Enel lost the ability to predict Luffy's attacks because he used his rubber ability to make his punches rocochet off the walls randomly. here http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-281/page016.html and explained here by Nami http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-281/page017.html There was no plan, so nothing to predict. I don't see that as related to the observation power being undone by another haki–am I missing something you guys are trying to say?
Re-read recently that scene..and because iam a HUGE Usopp fan i actually had again some tears in my eyes:cwy:
There there. Dry your tears. I'm sorry. :sad:Usopp is awesome. Feel better? :happy:
(but Zoro is second in command):ninja:
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Ussopun! The man with 8000 followers!
Now the 8000 followers will be bugs xD
I thought we agreed to stop comparing OP to Narudoh?
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As for Zoro learning King's Haki, i am severly against that. It is meant to be a only 1 in something million has it and we are seeing quite a few people with it already. I think Zoro having it would demean the whole idea of Luffy having it.
I don't think it is neccesary for the strawhats outside the 'monster trio' to learn haki either. I don't think every fight in part 2 needs to revolve around this new concept. The series had good enough fights without it before this chapter.But isn't the one in a million thing just for the king's haki? Rayleigh said anyone had the potential to learn the first two types, so it wouldn't be all bad if Zoro got the first two down. I think Nami, Robin, Chopper, and Franky don't need it though.
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Since Zoro is spending two years with Perona and Mihawk, I wonder if we'll be seeing a gothic/darker new look for Zoro.
… guyliner Zoro?
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... hold on, I'm gonna go kill myself.
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… guyliner Zoro?
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... hold on, I'm gonna go kill myself.
Considering their ages, I don't see a big (if any) cosmetic chance for the Strawhats. Certainly not male eyeliner (little worried about Sanji though…). It's not like Dragon Ball or Naruto where they are young and then grow up.
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i have a feeling kings haki can have a affect on the other two haki's like it might weaken haki armor or make it too hard to predict movement like the observation haki due to the pressure and intimidation coming from kings haki
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I expect something like this, when we find out someone beat out blackbeard for yonkou. -
As for Zoro learning King's Haki, i am severly against that. It is meant to be a only 1 in something million has it and we are seeing quite a few people with it already. I think Zoro having it would demean the whole idea of Luffy having it.
I don't think it is neccesary for the strawhats outside the 'monster trio' to learn haki either. I don't think every fight in part 2 needs to revolve around this new concept. The series had good enough fights without it before this chapter.But isn't the one in a million thing just for the king's haki? Rayleigh said anyone had the potential to learn the first two types, so it wouldn't be all bad if Zoro got the first two down. I think Nami, Robin, Chopper, and Franky don't need it though.
Can some one answer a question for me… Everyone is getting caught up in the "1 in a million thing"... How big exactly do people think the One Piece world is? I mean, I know one piece wiki is not 100% accurate, but supposedly Oda stated in an SBS that Arabasta had a population of 10 million people... So far, and correct me if I am wrong, the confirmed Kings Haki users are Shanks, White beard, Ace (from the flashback), Hancock, Rayleigh, and Luffy? Oh and I assume Roger... I mean that is only 7 people, so if the "1 in a million" thing is considered literal, they haven't accounted for JUST the population of Arabasta with confirmed users...
And if the "1 in a million" isn't meant literally (I have no idea if it can be used as simply "rare" or "unlikely" like in English), well, wouldn't it make sense that the new world, the place where the most ambitious people in the world gather to make a new age or whatever, would see pretty much everyone with the potential and temperament for kings haki travel there eventually... as opposed to hanging out in one of the blues or wherever...
Also, even though people say "Only 1 in a million are born with it" do we know if its like, say, the one power in wheel of time, a power that will eventually manifest no matter what. Or could potentially anyone develop kings haki, its just so tied in to temperament and ambition it is incredibly unlikely, i.e. 1 in a million are born with all the factors... Would be just as logical an explanation for why it seems to run in families and yet individuals like shanks and white beard, without the D's in there name, are still able to possess it...
Not saying that this is a real theory or anything, it just seems people getting caught up in the "1 in a million" thing is silly... Even if Arabasta was the One Piece world's China equivalent, the largest population in our world, it would still be a shade below a fifth of all humanity... so 50 million would translate to 50 kings haki users... seems like a lot to me, especially since we know of only six or seven confirmed users...
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Sorry I was'nt too clear with the first post, I made it clearer in this one below.
As for Zoro learning King's Haki, i am severly against that. It is meant to be a only 1 in something million has it and we are seeing quite a few people with it already. I think Zoro having it would demean the whole idea of Luffy having it.
I don't think it is neccesary for the strawhats outside the 'monster trio' to learn haki either. I don't think every fight in part 2 needs to revolve around this new concept. The series had good enough fights without it before this chapter.Can some one answer a question for me… Everyone is getting caught up in the "1 in a million thing"... How big exactly do people think the One Piece world is? I mean, I know one piece wiki is not 100% accurate, but supposedly Oda stated in an SBS that Arabasta had a population of 10 million people... So far, and correct me if I am wrong, the confirmed Kings Haki users are Shanks, White beard, Ace (from the flashback), Hancock, Rayleigh, and Luffy? Oh and I assume Roger... I mean that is only 7 people, so if the "1 in a million" thing is considered literal, they haven't accounted for JUST the population of Arabasta with confirmed users...
And if the "1 in a million" isn't meant literally (I have no idea if it can be used as simply "rare" or "unlikely" like in English), well, wouldn't it make sense that the new world, the place where the most ambitious people in the world gather to make a new age or whatever, would see pretty much everyone with the potential and temperament for kings haki travel there eventually... as opposed to hanging out in one of the blues or wherever...
Also, even though people say "Only 1 in a million are born with it" do we know if its like, say, the one power in wheel of time, a power that will eventually manifest no matter what. Or could potentially anyone develop kings haki, its just so tied in to temperament and ambition it is incredibly unlikely, i.e. 1 in a million are born with all the factors... Would be just as logical an explanation for why it seems to run in families and yet individuals like shanks and white beard, without the D's in there name, are still able to possess it...
Not saying that this is a real theory or anything, it just seems people getting caught up in the "1 in a million" thing is silly... Even if Arabasta was the One Piece world's China equivalent, the largest population in our world, it would still be a shade below a fifth of all humanity... so 50 million would translate to 50 kings haki users... seems like a lot to me, especially since we know of only six or seven confirmed users...
Why the hell are you over analyzing something that doesn't matter.
Conqueror's haki is rare.
That's all there is to it.