Who do you consider the villian. In terms of everything i have read, i don't see how people see The Marines has the villians.
The Marines vs The Pirates
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Who do you consider the villian. In terms of everything i have read, i don't see how people see The Marines has the villians.
They allow slavery, and commit mass genocide.
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There's really not a clear cut answer. There are plenty of pirates that are bad as well as plenty of Marines that are good.
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@Superbear:
They allow slavery, and commit mass genocide.
Although that is bad, the Pirates have been raping, stealing and murdering people all over the place in the entire world
Kairouseki's answer is true and as far as this topic will go on-topic, lol
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They're both pretty much the bad guys at certain points.
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@Superbear:
They allow slavery, and commit mass genocide.
World Government. They're the main antagonists.
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Pirates Good= Evil
Marines Good=Evil
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Who do you consider the villian. In terms of everything i have read, i don't see how people see The Marines has the villians.
All of them are just stupid, doing stuff they think are right.
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World Government. They're the main antagonists.
So, you're saying the prisoners in Impel Down are better? We saw Buggy, one of the most funny guys in One Piece, destroy an entire village, possibly killing dozens, and he was one of the weakest guys
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So, you're saying the prisoners in Impel Down are better? We saw Buggy, one of the most funny guys in One Piece, destroy an entire village, possibly killing dozens, and he was one of the weakest guys
Key term, main antagonists. Blackbeard will be there at the end, too, but the WG are the antithesis to Luffy's idea of total freedom.
coughAkainucough
So… Akainu sees himself as a villain?
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So, you're saying the prisoners in Impel Down are better? We saw Buggy, one of the most funny guys in One Piece, destroy an entire village, possibly killing dozens, and he was one of the weakest guys
There is a difference between "villain" and "antagonist".
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@Superbear:
They allow slavery, and commit mass genocide.
Pirates run around killing,stealing, raping etc….
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Key term, main antagonists. Blackbeard will be there at the end, too, but the WG are the antithesis to Luffy's idea of total freedom.
To say nothing of how they'll be the obstacles after OP is found.
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If you talk about the group pirates and marines there both good as their evil.
It's not much difference in the real world:
Most of the people here will probably say they see Hitler as the evil guy. But the people who followed Hitler saw him as a good guy. It just how you put your absolute.
On topic again:
Personal? From my point of view, both party's have their good and bad sides. Luffy helped some pirates escape. Who maybe gonna kill some people. But he also saved Robin from absolute horror or save Nami her village etc etc…Blackbeard saved some prisoners... but first he said that they had to kill each other to be free =o.
Oh well~
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@Sea:
There is a difference between "villain" and "antagonist".
The marines are the "antagonist", but how are they a villian?
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Key term, main antagonists.
So… Akainu sees himself as a villain?No. He sees himself as Captain Justice, and will willingly magma fist a baby that has even a drop of pirate blood in him.
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Apparantly millions of Marines and millions of pirates can all be grouped together in such arbitary classifications as good and evil.
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The marines are the "antagonist", but how are they a villian?
Well the marines aren't necessarily antagonists. They all did their parts in the WB wars, but there's a clear split in that a lot of marines are actually turning against the WG. The pirates and marines are two opposing sides that can be equally good or bad depending on the characters, but the WG and 'absolute justice marines' (WG lackeys) are the main antagonists and most likely the main villains.
No. He sees himself as Captain Justice, and will willingly magma fist a baby that has even as a drop of pirate blood in him.
@Sea:
All of them are just stupid, doing stuff they think are right.
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There's no such thing as good or evil people. This is 5 years old talk.
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@Del:
There's no such thing as good or evil people. This is 5 years old talk.
Tell me the key demographic for One Piece.
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Tell me the key demographic for One Piece.
Well, a series that openly deals with corruption, slavery, genocide, politics, among many other things. Don't know… Maybe 13~17?
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OP is directed at children and adolescents.
It's no Lone Wolf and Cub.
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Yeah, but Oda bothered to make good characters amongst the marines and bad characters amongst Pirates, as well as bad characters amongst the marines and bad characters amongst Pirates
The "this is a shonen" argument just doesn't cut it
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Yeah, but Oda bothered to make good characters amongst the marines and bad characters amongst Pirates, as well as bad characters amongst the marines and bad characters amongst Pirates
The "this is a shonen" argument just doesn't cut it
I agree and thats one of the reeason i love OP. Zoro,Robin, Nami wasn't the most noble people when Luffy met them.
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Hasn't this topic been talked to death already?
Good/Evil is based on perspective.
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@Del:
Well, a series that openly deals with corruption, slavery, genocide, politics, among many other things. Don't know… Maybe 13~17?
That holds up in America. In Japan, it's younger. It is true that One Piece does spotlight a lot of moral ambiguity, but you should keep in mind that it's really a children's story, so there are people at polar sides of the spectrum.
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It's for older kids and younger teens primarily.
Both age groups full well capable of understanding what OP shows them
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There is nothing complicated or hard to understand in One Piece, except for how Oda comes up with it.
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Well, since Luffy is the Protagonist, everyone fighting against him is an agtognist. It is not realy a question of good or evil. There are also a few in betweeners like Smoker and Garp. Smoker tries to catch Lufy, but it turns out more like a gag scene
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@JERK:
It's for older kids and younger teens primarily.
Both age groups full well capable of understanding what OP shows them
I'm just trying to say that One Piece is more of the exception than the rule and pointing out the humor in the age suggestion (though 5 year old would probably be a bit young by a year or two).
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@Sea:
There is nothing complicated or hard to understand in One Piece, except for how Oda comes up with it.
Right, and therefore, it's plain to see that people like Sakazuki are certainly meant to be bad within the narrative.
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Right, and therefore, it's plain to see that people like Sakazuki are certainly meant to be bad within the narrative.
Exactly, but there are a lot of people arguing that he is the only admiral that's really "good".
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2 of the 4 top pirate crews in the world are good. 3, if Big Mum is Lola's mother.
The marines leadership, the 5 stars that allow all that nasty stuff to happen, are all crap.
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@Del:
Exactly, but there are a lot of people arguing that he is the only admiral that's really "good".
Akainu is as "good" as a corrupted politician.
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He's good in terms of quality.
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Akainu is as "good" as a corrupted politician.
A lot of things Akainu is, corrupt he's not.
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@Sir:
2 of the 4 top pirate crews in the world are good. 3, if Big Mum is Lola's mother.
The marines leadership, the 5 stars that allow all that nasty stuff to happen, are all crap.
The 5 elder stars themseleves have done nothing indefensible if the Void Century is as dangerous as they make it out to be (and it almost certainly is).
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thats a cool thing of oda..
we actually cheer for those who decided to go the "wrong"path..but in their special way its just their expression that they
re not satisfied with the world at this moment and so they search in that manner for freedom.like already said it
s not everything just black or white..both ways (being a marine or a pirate) could actually lead to the same goal..find your freedom. even when you
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The 5 elder stars themseleves have done nothing indefensible if the Void Century is as dangerous as they make it out to be (and it almost certainly is).
Yeah, I'm still a bit reluctant to call them villains at this point in time. Depending on what's actually going on, we might reach a different conclusion than we're lead to believe at this point in the story.
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Didn't the war just flat out show evil is in the eye of the beholder?
@cooldud_21:A lot of things Akainu is, corrupt he's not.
He's just an insane, murderous, extremist.
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@Cyan:
He's just an insane, murderous, extremist.
This.
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That's the beauty of One Piece, things are not black and white.
There are good and bad elements on both sides.
One can make an argument that the Five Elder Stars could have a mixture of good and bad elements, just depends on your point of view.
Similar to what Doflamingo quipped during the Marineford Arc, history is exactly that, History, meaning whoever wins the war becomes the moral authority.
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@Cyan:
He's just an insane, murderous, extremist.
Yeah pretty much.
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The 5 elder stars themseleves have done nothing indefensible if the Void Century is as dangerous as they make it out to be (and it almost certainly is).
True, but what gives them to right to keep this information from the public?
The only right they have is that they are currently the rulers of the world.
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The same reason any government doesn't hand out state secrets.
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Yet they tolerate an order like the social caste system with the World Nobles.