@JERK:
"Hey guys, I'm terrible, make me vanish."
Yep. That's me in a nutshell.
Luffy's Message
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Despite whatever the message means how people took it is just as bad. The world government thinks it's war some pirates think he's claiming the age and Zoro still hasn't figured it out. I think it has something to do with getting stronger. Like a number of people to collect or wait for me on shabondy i'll be there in how many years. Either way I don't think he did it with a marker. More tattoos to come.
If the message is just a time frame, I bet ya he won't understand it, but will still be in time thanks to his gag-disorder.
Oh and also, it wouldn't make sense for them to wait (2 years or w/e) if all the supernova have already crossed. Part of the hype of the supernovas was seeing them collide with the SH's in the NW. Waiting a long time would throw that whole dynamic out.
We have pirates who spent decennia in the new world looking for the one piece and are in a total standstill, and you are afraid of newcomers getting a big lead after a couple of years.
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First, let me say that there is no way that the message Luffy is sending is a location to meet up. They all have vivre cards that will guide them to the meeting place no matter where it is in the world. There is no sense in sending a coded message, which runs the risk of being cracked by the enemy, to his crew when they already have such a reliable way of meeting up.
Second, it seems obvious to me that the message is in the tattoo and the whole ceremony was a red herring meant to distract the marines from the real message. The fact that it is similar to Ace's tattoo is probably also a red herring. This way even if the marines notice the tattoo they will likely dismiss it as a tribute to his brother.
I'm going to join in with the "Not 3 Days, 2 Years" crowd.
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It's a japanese manga, i don't think there is any english word or verb on Luffy's arm, except if it's a place, or a some guy named… A proper name so.
Even if the tatoo is in greek alphabet (we aren't sure), doesn't mean that it's in english language.(edit)
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is there a chapter next week, i thourght last week was a double issue or is that next weeks?
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pretty sure its next week
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There's so many threads with the same idea as this one.
Toiim's Moria's Fate thread and Zephos' Timeskip thread.
MasterKingJC: 'WHY CANT YOU JUST WAIT AND FIND OUT. WHY DO THREADS EVEN EXIST. WHY DO PEOPLE TALK"
Why do you even come to this forum?
"DON"T LIKE IT?? IGNOER ME!!"
sigh
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The tattoo says Sony.
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It's a japanese manga, i don't think there is any english word or verb on Luffy's arm, except if it's a place, or a some guy named… A proper name so.
Even if the tatoo is in greek alphabet (we aren't sure), doesn't mean that it's in english language.(edit)
What have you never read any other chapter of One Piece??
Ace even had the exact same type of tattoo in english. -
Are you gonna start a problem, Al?
I would prefer it if you don't.@dirt:
I would prefer it if you just shut it, and leave the thread already if you're so sick of the PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD.
lol problem really now
get out
Nah. Actually, I think I'll stay on this thread just to spite you.
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[/hide]Seriously, what do you think you are doing here in this thread?
It's a japanese manga, i don't think there is any english word or verb on Luffy's arm, except if it's a place, or a some guy named… A proper name so.
Even if the tatoo is in greek alphabet (we aren't sure), doesn't mean that it's in english language.(edit)
@JERK:
What have you never read any other chapter of One Piece??
Ace even had the exact same type of tattoo in english.ASCE is a name, though. Mixed name.
Oda uses English many times in One Piece, like "Human auction", or "Keep out" (Inazuma's attack, and in front of Vegapunk's house), but even if the tattoo is SA2Y or any letter, it is too generic to be a message. Seriously, how the hell will everyone the crew figure out what exactly those abbreviations stand for? The possibility is too vast. -
I figured it out. Luffy is saying meet in a couple of years. I got this because of what mihawk said to Zoro…In the anime, and manga I think Oda hinted at a time skip......Mihawk said to zoro that "the baboons possess the capability of learning by observing human behavior, and the war that took place on the island 7 years ago taught the animals how to use weapons."..... In the war was mihawk and the baboons learned to fight by watching him...Zoro isn't sronger than mihawk so i think that it will take him a couple of years to catch up to mihawk while hes on the island(during the time skip.). And during the timeskip zoro will become very close to surpassing mihawk.. That's why I think luffys message was to wait a couple years.
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Enough with the tatoo already
They should get it if they read the article
The Dark King said it himself…
the key is in Rayleigh words on page 15 somehow!
and there's the whole ring thing going on:
Luffy sailed one ring around the HQ
- 16 rings on the ox bell
So it could be something simple like meet on grove 17 or, and considering we're talking about Oda, something crazy like meeting on Island #17 - Long Ring Long Land (inb4 brook joining the crew afterwards and not knowing about it … just trying to make a point :| )
Still creeped out by the umbrella lady but I'll give this some more thought
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I thought about the Long Ring Island as well. Brook knowing about it is not a problem, Oda has made clear that the crew talk about things among themselves, so it's not unusual to see one of them knowing something they didn't watched in the first place.
The problem is Brook getting the message right away just like the others, what suggest it is not about something that he could only have heard about (unless Oda doesn't care).
Because of how fast Brook got it, I am assuming it has nothing to do with some place they visited (unless it is Sabaody, but they were going there either way, so…)And about the tattoo with what seems to be an
Sand anA, I believe it is a message from Luffy to himself, to never forget Sabo and Ace and something else.EDIT: Oh, on the other hand, we have the fact that Vivi didn't got the message. At least not right away. If it is something those close to Luffy would get, she would have got it at the spot, right? :/
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I only have one reaction to those who thinks the ringing of the bell is the real message:
W-_sABor77E
Says the guy who started this topic claiming that it was an A…It is a real message, boy.
Currently writing a book
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Enough with the tatoo already
The Dark King said it himself…
the key is in Rayleigh words on page 15 somehow!
and there's the whole ring thing going on:
Luffy sailed one ring around the HQ
- 16 rings on the ox bell
So it could be something simple like meet on grove 17 or, and considering we're talking about Oda, something crazy like meeting on Island #17 - Long Ring Long Land (inb4 brook joining the crew afterwards and not knowing about it … just trying to make a point :| )
Still creeped out by the umbrella lady but I'll give this some more thought
Ring = Wedding Ring. He is married to Hancock. The message is "I don't need you losers anymore, I'm married now"
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@.access:
I thought about the Long Ring Island as well. Brook knowing about it is not a problem, Oda has made clear that the crew talk about things among themselves, so it's not unusual to see one of them knowing something they didn't watched in the first place.
The problem is Brook getting the message right away just like the others, what suggest it is not about something that he could only have heard about (unless Oda doesn't care).
Because of how fast Brook got it, I am assuming it has nothing to do with some place they visited (unless it is Sabaody, but they were going there either way, so…)And about the tattoo with what seems to be an
Sand anA, I believe it is a message from Luffy to himself, to never forget Sabo and Ace and something else.EDIT: Oh, on the other hand, we have the fact that Vivi didn't got the message. At least not right away. If it is something those close to Luffy would get, she would have got it at the spot, right? :/
Well, I posted a page in the chapter thread showing the day Luffy met Rayleigh on AL riding on Jimbei's back. It showed Luffy's right arm (the same arm with the writing on it) completely bandaged (here's the link)–just like the rest of his body. I submit to the forum judges and jury that if the rest of his body isn't healed by the current time frame in this chapter, neither is this arm, thus making the application of a tattoo prior to the incident relayed in the current chapter a bit of a ticklish situation. I believe it's an arm band--like those seen at funerals.
All of that isn't even touching on the facts that it was Ray's plan, not Luffy's, and even if Luffy were idiot enough to place a permanent tattoo on his arm to send a one time message, Ray is not--so if it were a tattoo it wouldn't be the message--plus the whole thing about how unlikely it would be to get it photographed properly etc. makes the writing seem unlikely to be the message
...whereas his behavior would be reported in minute detail, even if there were no pics–thus the behavior seems more likely to be where the message is embedded. They were depending on the reporters to send the message, so what they did had to be something worth reporting, and, in fact, even if there had been no reporters there, Ray, Luffy and Jimbei could count on there being winesses to be interviewed by reporters later, at the least, so his actions and behavior were the only sure things to count on in sending a message at all, really. Given that line of logic, I'm now starting to buy more fully that it's the bell rings, because out of all the things he did, that is the thing most likely to be reported on because it often has significance, as two characters came up with their own theories based on different interpretations of the rings. (Although stealing a navy ship and sailing it around the island is reportable, it wasn't Luffy alone who did that, and Ray specifically says it's Luffy's actions that are the key. Not knocking that action completely out of the running–just given the clues, the bells seem more likely.)
As for Vivi--really, she hasn't been with the crew in a long time. They have had numerous adventures without her since she left the crew. She doesn't know them well anymore--so no, I wouldn't expect her to be able to read the message instantly.
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@I:
plus the whole thing about how unlikely it would be to get it photographed properly etc. makes the writing seem unlikely to be the message
This is why Luffy did his silent prayer. He gave the reporters the perfect chance to photograph him with as clear a view as possible of the writing on his arm.
@I:
…whereas his behavior would be reported in minute detail, even if there were no pics–thus the behavior seems more like to be where the message is embedded. They were depending on the reporters to send the message, so what they did had to be something worth reporting, and, in fact, even if there had been no reporters there, Ray, Luffy and Jumbei could count on there being winesses to be interviewed by reporters later, at the least, so his actions and behavior were the only sure things to count on in sending a message at all, really.
I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons Ray chose Marine HQ for the attack is because he knew there would be a ton of reporters there. If there hadn't been, there is no way that the WG would have let news of the event leak out considering how humiliated they were. Also, if you are trying to send a secret message to your friends the last thing you would want is your enemies paying attention to it.
The reasons for his actions are threefold:
1. To get Luffy on the cover of every newspaper in the world
2. To distract the rest of the world from the real message
3. To make his crew say, "Strange this isn't like Luffy. He must be up to something."@I:
As for Vivi–really, she hasn't been with the crew in a long time. They have had numerous adventures without her since she left the crew. She doesn't know them well anymore--so no, I wouldn't expect her to be able to read the message instantly.
Vivi was able to recognize that there was a message and that the message was in the writing on his arm, given her comment on fashion. The reason she couldn't figure out the message was probably because she didn't know the exact circumstances the strawhats are in.
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I only have one reaction to those who thinks the ringing of the bell is the real message:
100% positive the message has a lot to do with ringing the bell.
Assuming it isn't and claiming that those who think it is are idiots, is pretty cocky
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Except they didn't get a good photo, and relying on that is terrible planning.
Also anyone suggesting some form of ITLL BE AN ISLAND FROM A GZAILLION VOLUMES AGO is outright wrong and should smack themselves.
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This is why Luffy did his silent prayer. He gave the reporters the perfect chance to photograph him with as clear a view as possible of the writing on his arm.
But it wasn't at all clear. You can't even see the whole thing, and you can't even tell for sure it's a tattoo vs. an armband. That's what we've all been discussing endlessly for the past few days. Unless you think there's something that, even if only viewed partially, that the SHs would recognize instantly? That's a possibility, and would encompass the sort of f/b idea talked about earlier. The problem, of course, is that Oda had the whole plan in Rayleigh's head before he got to Luffy, and Ray wouldn't have known about any potential easily recognizable thing the crew would instantly know upon sight (unless it was something to do with stuff that happened at Shakky's–(and since they had no idea this would happen, it seems unlikely because they weren't there long and didn't all have their attention drawn to the same thing while there as a group) --something he might have seen on the ship if/when he started coating it (two things against that idea--he seems to have left as soon as he could after seeing Kuma-maybe not coating the ship beforehand, and 2nd he couldn't know for sure what on the ship would be that important to them since he's not on the crew)--or something pretty generally known about SA--(in which case it wouldn't be secret enough from anyone else...)
I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons Ray chose Marine HQ for the attack is because he knew there would be a ton of reporters there. If there hadn't been, there is no way that the WG would have let news of the event leak out considering how humiliated they were. Also, if you are trying to send a secret message to your friends the last thing you would want is your enemies paying attention to it.
The reasons for his actions are threefold:
1. To get Luffy on the cover of every newspaper in the world
2. To distract the rest of the world from the real message
3. To make his crew say, "Strange this isn't like Luffy. He must be up to something."Well I agree that he wanted him in every paper–but I think they were looking at inside pages--not front pages. A detail, yes, and maybe a picky one, but worth mentioning anyway...
I agree with the idea of a distraction, and in fact I think I was the first to suggest such a thing, actually, but I'm not in need of kudos badly enough to go checking dates of posts in three or four threads to make sure.
And the last--they didn't say "Strange..blah blah blah ginger." They mostly instantly got the message–as soon as they saw the pic. Without having to look really closely to see any tattoo to get it. (Except our friend Zoro of course... LOL)
Vivi was able to recognize that there was a message and that the message was in the writing on his arm, given her comment on fashion. The reason she couldn't figure out the message was probably because she didn't know the exact circumstances the strawhats are in.
Vivi saw something she thought of as strange in his appearance, we think. I'm not sold on the tattoo though, still, so I think time will tell what it might be that she meant by that.
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Wait a minute …
16 bells ?
16 ....
16 characters!****
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Yeah if it's a tattoo, the tattoo shouldn't be anything to do with the message.
A tattoo will be there forever so
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anyone noticed the tatoos on Luffy's arm?
We Koreans think its written like this: 3D(covered with X)2Y
3D: the promiced meeting after the 3 days is now cancelled.
2Y: See you after 2 years.I think it make sense. []
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Yeah if it's a tattoo, the tattoo shouldn't be anything to do with the message.
A tattoo will be there forever so
Oda will not put a tattoo that will serve it's purpose for just a single event.…............ why would u think that?
lolz, its an obvious tatoo that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. []
I think it can be important.
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The three days were already canceled by pure fact of event.
Why would he bother even including that.
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@JERK:
The three days were already canceled by pure fact of event.
Why would he bother even including that.
…. it was already cancelled when Luffy decided to infiltrate Impel Down. []
that's why I speculate.
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…. it was already cancelled when Luffy decided to infiltrate Impel Down. []
…..Exactly.
So why would he put it in a tattoo message.
Practically a month has passed, why would he say "Hey guys let's not meet up three weeks ago".
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…............ why would u think that?
lolz, its an obvious tatoo that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. []
I think it can be important.
it's meaning like many people here said it… it can be just a tribute to ace, etc
It's dumb to see it STILL in luffy's arms when they got back all together. AND sailing half of the grandline, until the end of one piece... the freaking tattoo is still there. make sense?
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it's meaning like many people here said it… it can be just a tribute to ace, etc
It's dumb to see it STILL in luffy's arms when they got back all together. AND sailing half of the grandline, until the end of one piece... the freaking tattoo is still there. make sense?
you never know. []
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@JERK:
…..Exactly.
So why would he put it in a tattoo message.
Practically a month has passed, why would he say "Hey guys let's not meet up three weeks ago".
Because only his crew knew that they were going to meet up in 3 days and Luffy needed to connect the 2 years to the meet up time in a way that the marines would not be able to understand.
it's meaning like many people here said it… it can be just a tribute to ace, etc
It's dumb to see it STILL in luffy's arms when they got back all together. AND sailing half of the grandline, until the end of one piece... the freaking tattoo is still there. make sense?
You're assuming that it is a real tattoo, it could just be paint. Also, it was probably made to look like Ace's tattoo so that most people would dismiss it as a tribute to Ace. Only his crew would care enough about it to look closely at it.
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Lol at the guys who think the tatoo is the real message. They can barely see it in the photos, don't you think he will show it better if there was a message for the crew on it.
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I think the idea is it is not obvious, so that only the crew gets it. He did not take the photo of himself, reporters did. But only people that know him well would notice that the tatoo is out of place
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@joekido:
It is a real message, boy.
It's A message, it's not THE message meant for the crew.
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Ring = Wedding Ring. He is married to Hancock. The message is "I don't need you losers anymore, I'm married now"
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16 rings of the bell
usually they ring it twice16/2 = 8
8 = Hatchan \o/ = Takoyaki 8 = Luffy is hungry I guess, THATS IT GUISE LUFFY IS HUNGRY AND THEY'RE MEETING AT TAKOYAKI 8, THAT WAS THE MESSAGE, WHAT?
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Ring = Wedding Ring. He is married to Hancock. The message is "I don't need you losers anymore, I'm married now"
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This is a great idea, this explain Nami's anger and the tears of Usopp/Chopper :ninja:
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The message could be:
"Let us avoid Sabaody Archipelago(hence sailing a ring around something, just as they should go around SA, instead of meeting there) and meeting where one part of the grandline ends, and the new world begins, the red line(hence saying goodbye to the old, and praying for the new with the bells)."
Its a stretch though…and doesn't explain Nami's reaction, or why they couldn't have just moved the vivre card to where they wanted them to meet.
"Sleep brings no rest to me; The shadows of the death my wakening eyes may never see surround my bed"-Emily Bronte(The Horrors of Sleep)
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i think its just a symbol of the fact that hes ok
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at first i thougt the theory that the message means to meet up in logue town is pretty dumb. Cause why would they go back all the way there when they are already halfway across grandline right? But then again seeing as how the seas are pretty dangerous after whitebeard's death and they are all separated, it is not reassuring that all the members would comeback safely to sabody, specially if the marines would be expecting them to comeback there.
So my theory is 1 ring (1 year) 16 bells (beggining and end/logue town). Or something like that.
Oh and something luffy wouldn't normally do, the silent prayer? im not sure about that one and the tatoo looks more like an arm band, at this point i dont think the tatoo is any part of the message at all but it shouldn't be ruled out. And I think Nami just made it clear that there will be a time skip or at least they won't be reunited for a while hence the "Not even caring how we feel" and we all know that each of them wanted to see luffy ASAP. but yep these are all guesses tho
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Lol at the guys who think the tatoo is the real message. They can barely see it in the photos, don't you think he will show it better if there was a message for the crew on it.
I really don't think the tattoo is the message, it's only possible if there is a line on newspaper saying that luffy have something written on his arm. But the photo isn't saying anything. I replied to guys who's talking about "sa2y" or something else.
I don't have any hypothesis on Ray or Luffy's message.
It's weird, because we followed all the mugis and the story, we should understand what's all this shit means.There is probably a line on the newspaper saying something, or a missing part wich will be revealed next week.
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@VL7:
The message could be:
"Let us avoid Sabaody Archipelago(hence sailing a ring around something, just as they should go around SA, instead of meeting there) and meeting where one part of the grandline ends, and the new world begins, the red line(hence saying goodbye to the old, and praying for the new with the bells)."
Its a stretch though…and doesn't explain Nami's reaction, or why they couldn't have just moved the vivre card to where they wanted them to meet.
Or the fact that their solution to avoiding a dangerous place is to head to the New World.
I can't believe people actually think Rayleigh mentioning Shabondy is so shallow a thing as "just avoid it lol".
@grimmjow:
at first i thougt the theory that the message means to meet up in logue town is pretty dumb. Cause why would they go back all the way there when they are already halfway across grandline right? But then again seeing as how the seas are pretty dangerous after whitebeard's death and they are all separated, it is not reassuring that all the members would comeback safely to sabody, specially if the marines would be expecting them to comeback there.
So my theory is 1 ring (1 year) 16 bells (beggining and end/logue town). Or something like that.
No, just absolutely no.
Going backwards, and to Lougetown of all things is beyond terrible as an idea on every conceivable level including readers enjoying the series that I'm shocked people are suggesting it in the first place.
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People here can't get the implications in a comic book directed at children and adolescents.
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@JERK:
Or the fact that their solution to avoiding a dangerous place is to head to the New World.
I can't believe people actually think Rayleigh mentioning Shabondy is so shallow a thing as "just avoid it lol".
No, just absolutely no.
Going backwards, and to Lougetown of all things is beyond terrible as an idea on every conceivable level including readers enjoying the series that I'm shocked people are suggesting it in the first place.
and why does it have to be ruled out? oda could just have them meet up there and in the next few panel which would span in weeks would have ended up in sabody, i mean the other characters do it all the time going back and forth i mean. Where did we first meet mihawk anyways? Just cause they get sent back in a recent setting doesnt mean its gonna take a toll on the readers. it could also be a way to show how much they've grown over the time skip? eh
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and why does it have to be ruled out?
Because it's obscenely bad idea.
Think about this, you're pressing the reset button on all the progress made in the past 50 volumes. How can you not conceive of what a bad story idea this would be.
To say nothing of the structural and pacing problems it represents given the current momentum. Are you completely blind to how Oda's slowly starting to pull back the curtain on the New World? What do you think he's doing this for? So we won't see it again in 50 more books?oda could just have them meet up there and in the next few panel which would span in weeks would have ended up in sabody,
And that's just nonsensical. Do you seriously think Oda would, even considering he'd do this in the first place, have them travel through Paradise again, but skip over it with a frigging montage?? Really???
i mean the other characters do it all the time going back and forth i mean. Where did we first meet mihawk anyways?
Other character who do it all the time are Marines and world level elites like Mihawk. What? Do you think civilians and rookie pirates can just travel that easily in and out of the Grand Line??
Just cause they get sent back in a recent setting doesnt mean its gonna take a toll on the readers. it could also be a way to show how much they've grown over the time skip? eh
There's a billion ways to do that don't include such a ludicrous pointless ideas as this.
Above all else there is no reason for Oda to even do this.
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Hmm…? So the majority believe the message isn't in the tattoo? That makes things simple, I'll just go with the tattoo.
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mebbe Luffy wants them to meet at grove 16 at shabondy and you're all massively overthinking this?
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Why would Nami be upset about meeting at Grove 16.
Also why would he need to make that message when everyone is already thinking of going to Shabondy, the exact grove being a pretty pointless thing to go through all this trouble for when there's easy ways and places for everyon to assume they need to go like Shakky's bar.
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tbh I have no real theory on this. I just think people who are squinting at blurry, barely visible tatoos and who are making up ludicrous explanations for the 16 rings are going in the wrong direction.
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The 16 Bells meaning meet in the new year doesn't seem out there at all given that that's a real life meaning for ringing bells that many times. Killer even mentioned it though took it to be purely symbolic.
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lol jerk. your taking this way too seriously. we are all drawing conclusions here from an art of fiction. Things doesnt always make sense and even if they do its not always gonna happen. Why would 50 volumes be undone just cause they would have to meet in a place that was first introduce very early in the story? its been done before and it doesnt always turn ugly. And nope i dont know if oda would even consider that but thats the fun in guessing games aint it? And of course rookies cant just go across, in and out of grand line as we have seen its mostly the shichibukais who do this but who is to say that after the supposed time skip the strawhats wouldnt be at least strong enough to do just that? i mean it is only paradise. ehhhhh
