@Tanuki:
Okay, whilst I'm not saying he couldn't have easily got them back, I can't help but feel you're giving too much credit to Zoro here. Zoro doesn't come up with tricks for his enemies. He beats people up or overpowers his enemies. It's what he's good at. Let's not forget his plan to get himself and Sogeking unhandcuffed was to lop off Sogeking's hand and get it reattached by Chopper. Zoro is not a master strategist here.
Perona meanwhile has been shown to be a trickster. Usopp comments that it was her downfall to challenge him to a battle of tricks and lies indicating this is what she's good at.
Prove it, she's not a trickster…
I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I'm betting on either a.) a truce(Zoro>>>>>>>>Perona in power, but Perona's negative ghosts are a pain for him) or b.) he found them via that sword aura theory you mentioned earlier.
Moot…
If it turns out he did manage to trick her, this is the first time Zoro's used that kind of forward planning. He's just too straight forward a guy for tricks.
Irrelevant.
Back on subject: Will Perona join? Probably not;
Prove it.
She's too similar to a few of the current crew members:
a.) Cowardly trickster like Usopp
b.) reliant on Devil fruit power only, like Robin(although I'd pick exploding ghosts over clutching techniques any day)
c.) Insect phobia, like Nami and Sanji.
d.) kind of selfish, a little like Nami
a.) prove she's a trickster, and/ or a "coward" – Yes, I agree she's somewhat "cowardly" however that isn't a terrible quality since we already have these guys.
b.) What's your point with this? Chopper and Robin rely on their DF heavily, where's the argument that people cannot have a devil fruit? What, should we have another swordsman or some copy of some fighting ability where she kicks only or something lame? I don't think so...
c.) Yes, however, her insect phobia is the same shit as Oda's, the author. It's far deeper and more important, by the way. Furthermore, it's a lot more impressive.
d.) Yeah, perfect for the "little sister" characteristic that is lacking in the crew.
She's also only really interacted with two people from the crew: Usopp and now Zoro. Luffy hasn't interacted with her, and he's the man that counts.
Lies!!
She has met every character of that crew except Chopper, Robin, and Brook in person– with her hollow, she has met them all.
She has interacted with Nami, Franky, and Sanji, as well as Luffy for a little bit. What's to say that she cannot gain this when she heads off with Zoro to SA..?
Prove where Oda states this is even needed!
Her dream is selfish and seemingly has no point to it.
It's not her "real" dream, it's more like a Nami-Sanji dream, buy an island or eat a devil fruit sort of thing. This dream doesn't make any sense to explain her case of joining Moria– she couldn't have joined it and she never stated she'd join it.
She also actually quite liked Master Moria,
Prove it…
although in fleeing at the first sign of danger shows that she isn't quite what the Strawhats would look for in a crewmate.
Bullshit, she didn't have anyone to protect when she fled, which is what every other coward of the SH crew does– when they have someone to protect, they stay, otherwise, they flee. She didn't have anyone like that.
Furthermore, just to state that she didn't hold any real reason to stick there since she only joined for "fun" in the first place.
Sure Usopp, Nami and Chopper are quick to flee too, but you know they'd come back to save the rest of the crew if they could.
Once again, it doesn't work this way since we DON'T know if Perona would or wouldn't. There was never any example of this, and such.
Perona? Couldn't see her running back to try and save Moria. Although, Absalom and Hogback did.
Once again, she may have thought they were dead: she heard Hogback was crushed by Oars, Moria was getting messed up, and Absolam's zombie group was crushed– possibly with Absolam. Then, she basically didn't see anyone in front of her.
Her powers being too samey is a joke of a reason however because a.) Robin only ever clutches and uses her hands(okay, so hand wings were the most creative thing she's done thus far with this power) and b.) Several of the strawhats rely on far less open attack styles: Sanji kicks, Zoro slices, etc. Perona's allow her to roam around out of body, explode, alter size, track and relay information and of course the whole negative hollow thing which seems quite varied in comparison to clutch, kick or slice.
Furthermore, Perona can AP an object as well… Cover title mini-series had her with her parasol in AP form. We don't know where her power ends, however, it's a lot more diverse than Robin. or Hancock...
I'm sure this won't dissuade either pro-Perona camps or anti-Perona camps, but some of the reasons of both sides views are just ridiculous.
Yours are similar… Why can't people just answer why Oda seemingly did all that he did to get her into such a vulnerable state close to Zoro, alone...?
I'm sure all this stuff has been bought up before, but I thought I'd throw my few cents in too.
Yeah, it has…
@Megadoomer:
Again, I'll be ignoring the random insults, as they aren't arguments. Also, it makes his posts seem much shorter.
None of the other crewmembers have a single enemy that they have to defeat (Robin had a bunch of random guards, Brook had a bunch of members of the Longarm tribe), so why should Zoro's solo adventures be completely different from every single other member of the crew aside from Luffy?
Word? I mean, word? Whatever you want then… Let's say that this shadow man is a teacher that loves tofu and lives on TOFU GLOOMY ISLAND...
I mean, what on earth are you trying to go at here, "multiple?" I'm talking about "training" and what you doing?
A vast majority of the people who are on the island that Robin was sent to aren't permanent residents, nor do they live there. Does that mean that some of those workers are going to join the crew because they don't have anywhere else to go?
Obviously, you know the difference between "randoms" and a character that had a leading role in an Arc, right?
Kuma would have had some sort of reason for sending Zoro to the same island as Perona; Franky and Nami have obvious reasons for being sent where they were (power-ups), Robin's abilities would prove useful in freeing all of those citizens who have been put to work as slaves, Sanji's destination could either help him work towards being able to hit women (overcoming a major weakness) or get him into contact with any revolutionaries on the island (Ivankov, the country's leader, is a high-ranking revolutionary; there's bound to be some on the island).
Ummm… Well, explain it then. As far as anyone can tell, Perona isn't happy, nor does she know Kuma. Maybe, Kuma's power works somehow where he can send people to "islands" for some strange reason-- WHO KNOWS WHY THIS HAPPENED...
Point is that they're there, and unless you wish to start picking up some choice, stop wasting my time...
I'm not sure why Usopp, Chopper, or Brook would be sent where they were (Chopper may be able to forge some kind of peace between the humans and the birds since he can communicate with both, but that's merely a possibility at this point), but there would have been some sort of reason as to why Kuma chose those destinations.
Pointless…
I don't think Kuma would have sent Zoro where he did so that Perona could find him; if he wanted Zoro to be healed and give him some help to return to Shabondy, Kuma would have sent him to a much more populated area where he would be more likely to be found, and people would be more likely to help him. Therefore, I think this mysterious swordsperson will be able to help Zoro power up in some way.
Alright, you are hopeless…
Given that a good number of skilled warriors in the series use Haki in some way, Haki is used to cut objects which are normally intangible, and Perona can create intangible objects, I figured that this swordsperson may be able to teach Zoro some degree of Haki control.
Ummm… Perona would get hurt, and that doesn't assist the issue of him being lost, needing directions, etc. But believe as you wish, regardless if it is a horrible idea to have the main "power" exist before the New World...
Again, it was shown that Moria can effectively teleport by switching places with his shadow during the Thriller Bark arc. Therefore, his survival is a distinct possibility, especially when the Pacifista can't stop him once he starts, and unless he pulls Haki control out of nowhere, neither can Doflamingo.
Ummm… Do as you wish, but chances are high that he's dead.
I don't see the logic to constantly linking to two posts when the entirety of the first post and half of the second don't contribute to the argument, and the other half of the second is almost-baseless speculation.
You don't see the STUPIDITY that you stated? Do you not read well enough to pick up that I said, "someone wanted a fucking LINK and I gave them a FUCKING link?"
The first link: I posted Perona panel information, and someone wanted a link… I gave them one.
The second link, I posted it to have people read that "Perona and Zoro are able to head to SA and then since there are LIMITED OPTIONS, Perona might be able to join with the group..."
The fact that you continually cannot do anything over it shows that it isn't baseless speculation since I've already countered any pointless attempt to argue against said point. I've already created a thorough consistent argument that has no weakness.
I agree that some of the reasoning behind the logic that the OMF members is terrible, consists of exaggerating the importance of minor details, and mostly baseless. However, I feel that Hancock stands a chance of joining for the following reason:
You are the same as them, that's why I am saying such things… She has NO CHANCE because she is perpetually doomed to be a woman in power for her people to survive.
-after one day away from Luffy (the events of the Impel Down arc), she was okay
Nyon: "if you go with him to central, this decision will save you…"
-after two weeks away from Luffy, she wasn't eating and spent all of her time worrying about him
-once Luffy leaves the island, he'll be gone for an undetermined period of time, over the course of which, she would likely die
-Luffy's obviously going to have to leave the island for the story to continue
Yes, therefore, she has to fucking stay on her island if the story moves on with Luffy alive, not dead.
Plus, Nyon says it best… LS is probable to have had its cure already completed.
-Luffy's spent the past three arcs watching helplessly as one of his friends (his crew in Shabondy, Bon Clay in Impel Down, Ace in Marineford) is taken away from him in one meaning of the term or another, so he won't sit idly by or leave when he is able to do something about it this time
Ummm… Then BYE BYE all his newfound AL friends.
-there seem to be three solutions: taking her with him, saying something that she misinterprets as him vowing to return, or her getting over her crush on him
NO….
-given how big her crush is and how quickly such an event would have to occur, the third one isn't an option
NO…
-this leaves only two options, both of which seem possible at this point given the characterization of everyone involved
NO…
Oda's story writing isn't romantic, therefore, it won't have that shit. She's not joining because of that shit, and for fuck's sake, she's got an ISLAND that she must watch and save...
If the first option is chosen, I don't know how the aftereffects would be dealt with; Hancock would likely be under suspicion for what she did at Marineford (which many Marines, including Smoker and Sentomaru, saw clearly) anyways.
Or, all that MF events that she did were purposely done that way so she could counter her stupid "fake-illness" that couldn't ever exist and save her island: meaning, she's not going to have a buster call attack her.
The Kuja could denounce Hancock's actions or even piracy altogether, though given the World Government's attitude towards pirates, I doubt that would change much.
Obviously, this isn't going to do anything and denouncing Hancock isn't going to make their history cleanse.
However, to me, this seems like a more drastic version of the Franky Family (out of a large group of people, one person gets blamed for the crimes of all of them, and that person travels with the crew), which is like a more drastic version of the Baratie (the Baratie is led by a former pirate captain, and they openly advertise that Sanji used to work there and show pride over his accomplishments), and neither Water 7 or the Baratie were bombed into oblivion.
Or, maybe since it is EXPLICIT as FUCK, it means that she never was a candidate to join because Oda revealed this BEFORE she had a physical appearance.
Although I don't know if anyone will join during/after this arc (none of the characters seem to fit into the standard patterns so far), I think that Hancock would arguably have the best chances out of the discussed candidates.
You've never even countered anything in my "effect" of that post… It has more standard than your ideas on Hancock.
Hancock fans cannot read a fictional work to save their life, it seems...