This is One Piece not Bleach, Oda would have shown that Luffy recognized the the Tenryuubito if he had ever met them, plot holes are something Oda does not let happen
I actually found a very small plot hole in One Piece… :ninja:
This is One Piece not Bleach, Oda would have shown that Luffy recognized the the Tenryuubito if he had ever met them, plot holes are something Oda does not let happen
I actually found a very small plot hole in One Piece… :ninja:
I actually found a very small plot hole in One Piece… :ninja:
Correction: Oda doesn't make huge, story changing plot holes….
The only reason I think that Sabo is dead because, considering the situation, Luffy would be considering him to be a brother as well since they've become a tightly knit group.
But he never mentioned him and it would be anti-climatic if Luffy tells us he has another brother.
Not to mention, I would've expected Sabo to turn up during the war to save Ace.
Yes well of course Oda is going to bring a Tenryuubito to a Luffy flashback, centered on Luffy's perspective and memories, but he won't even come into contact with them. This would make a lot of sense ONLY IN YOUR MIND.
Takes a nice bite of Humble pie despite the urges to go buck on your ass
Ok. It is not foolish to consider the possibility of no interaction with the Tenryuubito on Luffy's part based on the fact that he showed no strong reaction to seeing them again. He may or may not have some interaction but based on what we have seen, if he does in fact meet them/one now, it shouldn't be something that would imprint a majorly SHOCKING important memory.
Like you said, this flashback is centered on Luffy's perspective and memories but is not completely from his memories as there were scenes and conversations that took place unbeknown to Luffy which would make it impossible for him to remember and 'flash back' to it, one of these scenes is when Dan Dan is reading about the Tenryuubito.
Saying a Tenryuubito is coming in Luffy's flashback would be pointless without him interacting at all with them.
What was it? Oh yes 'This would make alot of sense ONLY IN YOUR MIND'. Direct interaction isn't the only way someone can be affected by a situation.
It's evident that Oda doesn't always go with the generally consented route.
Why would Oda mention it in the first place? If Sabo has a relationship with them and goes to contact them, do you not think that Ace and Luffy will follow?
You ask me if I read my own posts but did you even read it? I said that Oda has made a point to identify Luffy, Ace, and Sabo as a group and that it would be hard for them to be separated. After that I stated a possible situation in which a separation can occur. Must I go into even more detail? I figure people would put the pieces together but I guess you might not deserve even that much credit.
Most humilliating of all, you discarded the possibility that Luffy will go to Goa Kingdom because he can't. Like that has ever stopped Luffy. Nice. If he needs to go he will go.
Humiliating you mean? Hmmm. Nope can't say I feel humiliated because I don't believe Luffy will go to Goa Kingdom. Can I be wrong? OF COURSE. Will I be mad if he goes? Nope. I can tell your getting worked up because I don't share your same vision or realm of common sense…now THAT'S Humiliating.
Similarly ridiculous is the fact that you suggest that the climax of Luffy and Ace's relationship with Sabo is Sabo leaving without saying goodbye to end the flashback.
Now your showing yourself to be dense and unable to think for yourself. Based on the possibility of Sabo leaving Luffy and/or Ace unbeknown to them/one.
Let me provide a General example because it seems you can't follow without one:
Sabo overhears Dan Dan or others talking about 'X' important person/thing being threatened by the Tenryuubito. Sabo, in a fit of shock/anger/fear decides to investigate. He might go with Ace and leave Luffy because of the thought of Luffy being a weight. He might go alone because this important person/thing is something he doesn't want anyone to know about. Or all 3 might go. There still are possibilities in this general situation.
I am not saying this is going to happen or something remotely close to this is going to happen. It's just an example to get your brain rolling in more than one direction.
Your entire prediction for this flashback is a terribly bad, hardly engaging soap opera about teen feelings when we know that a pirate band is after them and a Tenryuubito is near. Do you read your own posts?
Your lack of respect to ones opinions and thoughts is of bad taste. None of us know what is going to happen and 90% of the time we are proven wrong. I am satisfied with whatever Oda does but that's not going to stop me from entertaining my own desires for the story.
You have every right to not believe a word I am thinking of to be true but coming at me that way is just tacky.
After re-reading certain parts of the chapter, another thing that struck me as odd, was when the Bluejam Pirates started walking around the Grey Terminal asking people if they knew Ace or Sabo, all the responses from the Grey Terminal folk were basically, "Go screw yourself". I would think that there would be more fear of the Bluejam Pirates among the natives given the fact that he works directly for a World Noble and supposedly Bluejam's reputation proceeds him.
I think the World Noble is going to give Bluejam an ultimatum to get rid of the new gang causing all the trouble. But what I don't know is who exactly will defeat Bluejam? Will it be Ace and Luffy or will we see what kind of skill Dadan has? Heck, maybe Garp shows up, which would make things a lot more interesting given the fact that he would be in direct odds with a World Noble.
Also, I kind of think it is safe to say that Bluejam doesn't have a Devil Fruit. Porchemy seemed pretty surprised when he found out Luffy had eaten a 'Cursed Fruit', kind of like he had heard of them but didn't know if they really existed.
Anybody want to make a prediction as to what type of 'business' the Bluejam Pirates are doing with a World Noble?
I actually found a very small plot hole in One Piece… :ninja:
I would be interesting to know the plot hole you found.
I doubt the World Nobles care about a pirate crew in the weakest sea, East Blue…
It's hard to create a story that for runs more than 10 years now and continues to develope further and further with almost every chapter, without letting any plot holes gape open. No, it's actually impossible (for human) unless you have that whole story written down on paper from the start (without plot holes, of course) or you do have months time to prepare the next chapter or no deadlines at all.
Oda does a fantastic job on that part, a lot better than most other mangakas.
Still, i'm curious which of the plot holes Deicide(oh man, your name turns more and more d'uh with every new Bleh chapter ) is talking about.
This is One Piece not Bleach, Oda would have shown that Luffy recognized the the Tenryuubito if he had ever met them, plot holes are something Oda does not let happen
I shall quote myself in response to you.
On SA, Luffy never really gave any true indication that he didn't know who they are. And besides, he may have never heard specifically that they were called Tenryuubito. He may just know what they looked like.
We all know that Luffy is a fool, but he's not stupid. He's smart at times and has a clear head on his shoulders. Usually when Luffy see's what someone looks like that he's heard about, he freaks out in one way or another. I imagine he'd find their outfits amusing or strange in one way or another. But he doesn't.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/497/16/
His reaction starting here can be taken one of two ways: He didn't know who they were, and he didn't care at all what they look like, or he's seen people that resemble them before. Next week will hopefully tell.
hmm was it bubbles or glass mask that tenryuubito wear on their faces?
If it was a bubble globe mask, How would luffy even recognize it was a Tenryuubito? The bubbles only work around that specific island. The tenryuubito would just like any other person.
In regards to a World Noble not caring about a pirate in East Blue, i'm pretty sure the inhabitants of the Gray Terminal stated that Bluejam was able to do as he pleases, no matter how big the body count gets because he works for the Elite or Aristocracy, depending on which translation you want to go by.
Mangastream is blocked at work, but I think in that translation, Porchemy told Luffy that the money that Ace and Sabo stole was "extremely" important or something along those lines which kind of hints that it may be money from or for a VIP.
I just think that Oda would have defined Luffy's reaction more in SA if he was going to use them in a flashback later on, but Oda might have came up with this development out of the blue to keep this arc intresting, but I doubt it, making things up on the spot isnt his style.
However Luffy might catch a glimpse of them in passing and not recognize them later on but if he really had a full on exchange with one Oda would have planned ahead (or behind???..man these flashbacks are confusing) about it
In regards to a World Noble not caring about a pirate in East Blue, i'm pretty sure the inhabitants of the Gray Terminal stated that Bluejam was able to do as he pleases, no matter how big the body count gets because he works for the Elite or Aristocracy, depending on which translation you want to go by.
Mangastream is blocked at work, but I think in that translation, Porchemy told Luffy that the money that Ace and Sabo stole was "extremely" important or something along those lines which kind of hints that it may be money from or for a VIP.
Oh, didn't think about that I just assumed they were pirates who worked alone but yeah that's a good possibility, its got to be someone or something important for World Nobles to get involved though…
Personally I'm leaning toward the Nobles and Sabo might be related in some way because we don't know a lot about were he came from
Tenryuubito is just their proper name. Most people probably call them nobles or elite.
Once he actually sees them he doesn't give any indication he never saw them before, he was oddly quiet about it like he gets when he's really pissed and he might be tight lipped about it cause they screwed him over in the past.
Or it might be some new kind of enemy, a guard or something serving directly under them that roughs some shit up there instead of the nobles directly..
I just think that Oda would have defined Luffy's reaction more in SA if he was going to use them in a flashback later on, but Oda might have came up with this development out of the blue to keep this arc intresting, but I doubt it, making things up on the spot isnt his style.
However Luffy might catch a glimpse of them in passing and not recognize them later on but if he really had a full on exchange with one Oda would have planned ahead (or behind???..man these flashbacks are confusing) about it
A couple of things.
Maybe the World Noble that Luffy meets in this Flashback Arc is completely different then the one he meets on Saboady Archipelago. Also, during this brief encounter with a World Noble, he may not ever gain a full understanding at just how powerful they are and that you are not suppose to assault one.
To me, it seems the closer you get to Marijoa, the more aware the people of One Piece are of the Nobility. I mean, Dadan didn't even know what a World Noble was while she was reading the newspaper article.
Oh, didn't think about that I just assumed they were pirates who worked alone but yeah that's a good possibility, its got to be someone or something important for World Nobles to get involved though…
Personally I'm leaning toward the Nobles and Sabo might be related in some way because we don't know a lot about were he came from
I just don't think there is any connection between the World Noble and Sabo, other then the fact that he and his crew members are stealing their money, via Bluejam.
Bluejam is working for the World Noble and Ace's crew is stealing Bluejam's money, so in effect, they are stealing the World Noble's money.
I still want to know how much time has passed between Luffy getting rescued by Ace and Sabo and the end of the chapter. After Luffy gets rescued, they talk about how they start fighting all kinds of animals and develop a massive reputation, as if a lot of time passed by. If time has passed, has Bluejam already been defeated?
I wonder if Garp has been apprised that a World Noble is headed to Goa Kingdom, where is Grandson's are being raised?
Anyone remember an encounter alot of time ago of Shanks "rookie" bringing a letter to Whitebeard who when ripped it? Go look at page 6 of this chapter, on the last panel… Similiarity to the "rookie" Rockstar?
These are those meh chapters again. Every manga have them in somepoint. Nice little details revaled, but damn. Too rushed shit bros. So no no, next week, better week? Sabo is damn kind of noble if anything. Or then wasted character desing. Great tap hop in this chapter.
I don't know about him being Rockstar, but I love the Cornrolls that Bluejam is sporting.
He just needs to put a sweat band around his head and he looks kind of like R. Kelly.
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Oh snap, Celestial Dragons in the East Blue? Wha?
hmm was it bubbles or glass mask that tenryuubito wear on their faces?
If it was a bubble globe mask, How would luffy even recognize it was a Tenryuubito? The bubbles only work around that specific island. The tenryuubito would just like any other person.
NO!
Takes a nice bite of Humble pie despite the urges to go buck on your ass
Ok. It is not foolish to consider the possibility of no interaction with the Tenryuubito on Luffy's part based on the fact that he showed no strong reaction to seeing them again. He may or may not have some interaction but based on what we have seen, if he does in fact meet them/one now, it shouldn't be something that would imprint a majorly SHOCKING important memory.
Like you said, this flashback is centered on Luffy's perspective and memories but is not completely from his memories as there were scenes and conversations that took place unbeknown to Luffy which would make it impossible for him to remember and 'flash back' to it, one of these scenes is when Dan Dan is reading about the Tenryuubito.
What was it? Oh yes 'This would make alot of sense ONLY IN YOUR MIND'. Direct interaction isn't the only way someone can be affected by a situation.
It's evident that Oda doesn't always go with the generally consented route.
You ask me if I read my own posts but did you even read it? I said that Oda has made a point to identify Luffy, Ace, and Sabo as a group and that it would be hard for them to be separated. After that I stated a possible situation in which a separation can occur. Must I go into even more detail? I figure people would put the pieces together but I guess you might not deserve even that much credit.
Humiliating you mean? Hmmm. Nope can't say I feel humiliated because I don't believe Luffy will go to Goa Kingdom. Can I be wrong? OF COURSE. Will I be mad if he goes? Nope. I can tell your getting worked up because I don't share your same vision or realm of common sense…now THAT'S Humiliating.
Now your showing yourself to be dense and unable to think for yourself. Based on the possibility of Sabo leaving Luffy and/or Ace unbeknown to them/one.
Let me provide a General example because it seems you can't follow without one:
Sabo overhears Dan Dan or others talking about 'X' important person/thing being threatened by the Tenryuubito. Sabo, in a fit of shock/anger/fear decides to investigate. He might go with Ace and leave Luffy because of the thought of Luffy being a weight. He might go alone because this important person/thing is something he doesn't want anyone to know about. Or all 3 might go. There still are possibilities in this general situation.
I am not saying this is going to happen or something remotely close to this is going to happen. It's just an example to get your brain rolling in more than one direction.
Your lack of respect to ones opinions and thoughts is of bad taste. None of us know what is going to happen and 90% of the time we are proven wrong. I am satisfied with whatever Oda does but that's not going to stop me from entertaining my own desires for the story.
You have every right to not believe a word I am thinking of to be true but coming at me that way is just tacky.
Jesus. Taking every piece out of context is not discussing. You take the general message of the post, being mindful of the details in it sure, and you make a counter-argument if you have it or care to discuss it. But man do I love how every single thing you argue basically counters your own retard post, and tries to pretend that that was what you were saying in the first place.
You also just clarified a bunch of things I mention in my post. Even though you are quoting little pieces a toddler could remember, you seem to miss this. Let me help you out. And a tiny heads up to you: everyone else reads what you write, not what you’re thinking, so regardless of what you thought you said, you didn´t write anything even remotely coherent.
Let me show you why it´s disrespectful to deconstruct individual phrases.
Oooh boy, this will be fun
Takes a nice bite of Humble pie despite the urges to go buck on your ass
Yeah yeah, I can see you´re so very humble. The fallacy of this statement and the need to say it in the first place is pathetically transparent. You´re not being humble, you passive-aggressive twat. You´re being a worst kind of confrontational, the one that can´t even admit he is being a douche. And this just goes on throughout the post. But let’s move on to the important stuff.
Ok. It is not foolish to consider the possibility of no interaction with the Tenryuubito on Luffy's part based on the fact that he showed no strong reaction to seeing them again. He may or may not have some interaction but based on what we have seen, if he does in fact meet them/one now, it shouldn't be something that would imprint a majorly SHOCKING important memory
See it was hard to tell through your distressing grammar skills, but I'm glad I took the time to actually understand this sentence. What you meant was:
He may or may not have HAD some interaction but based on what we have seen, if he does in fact meet them/one now, it shouldn't HAVE BEEN something that would imprint a majorly SHOCKINGLY important memory.
I SAID THIS. You didn´t. What you are doing is backing out, after realizing that you posted a bunch of worthless shit. No?
This was in your post:
@Sage:
I don't expect Luffy to have ANY interaction with the Tenryuubito at all.
This too
@Sage:
Why the Tenryuubito are mentioned? Hmmm I have no clue. It kinda boggles me because I dont know how Oda is going to have them play a part in this flashback.
This was in my post:
He may not have identified the force they represented. He may not have acknowledged them or seen them directly or remembered their name or title. But they will have a role to play in this flashback. Saying a Tenryuubito is coming in Luffy's flashback would be pointless without him interacting at all with them.
See? Here I mention that Luffy will interact with the Tenryuubito, even if he doesn´t see or acknowledge them or remember them. I say the Tenryuubito will interact with Luffy one way or another. You said they wouldn´t. That it "boggled" you that they were even there. That is what I attacked. That is what's stupid about your post. Moving on:
You just answered:
@Sage:
Like you said, this flashback is centered on Luffy's perspective and memories but is not completely from his memories as there were scenes and conversations that took place unbeknown to Luffy which would make it impossible for him to remember and 'flash back' to it, one of these scenes is when Dan Dan is reading about the Tenryuubito.
What was it? Oh yes 'This would make alot of sense ONLY IN YOUR MIND'. Direct interaction isn't the only way someone can be affected by a situation.
I don´t even have to write anything to enjoy you destroying yourself.
From your last post:
@Sage:
I don't expect Luffy to have ANY interaction with the Tenryuubito at all.
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Many assume that this is going to affect Sabo but the narration basically stuck the 3 of them together so it will be hard to think of a situation where Sabo would be separated from Ace and/or Luffy and have an important interactive experience with the Tenryuubito.
Seriously, it´s embarrassing. You just disproved yourself… IN THE FUTURE. Freaking priceless.
Also, let me just provide a passage of my response
If Sabo has a relationship with them and goes to contact them, do you not think that Ace and Luffy will follow? And in doing so, do you believe the resistance that they'll meet will have nothing to do with the Tenryuubito? Especially when the flashback token villain is paying the nobility for their blind eye?
Let me help you out with this one. This part of my post says that at the very least, their contact with the Tenryuubito will be indirect, that is through men under their sphere of influence.
So, yeah you counter-argued with my initial argument that disproves your initial point. Making you on all points in time a dunce.
The rest of the post is about you going in circles trying to undo your mess while attacking my manners. And in doing so you managed to simultaneously be disrespectful yourself, making it all completely useless and making yourself look more like an idiot. It gets better.
You ask me if I read my own posts but did you even read it? I said that Oda has made a point to identify Luffy, Ace, and Sabo as a group and that it would be hard for them to be separated. After that I stated a possible situation in which a separation can occur.
Having a close-knit group form means it´s all the more likely that some tragedy will befall them. It´s the nature of storytelling. But more importantly I wasn't aware that identifying a group as chummy would make it hard to seperate them in a story where kidnapping and/or ulterior motives pop up all the time with little to no warning. Really, this is not even a point to begin with, as you provide no reasoning as to why it´s harder for them to get seperated now that they are friends. Are they not still being hunted down by a Pirate crew of people stronger than them? Do you really see no conceivable way for them to get seperated that is not of their own volition? Are you even reading the same Manga? Say hello to Usopp, Nami and Robin for me.
more:
@Sage:
Humiliating you mean? Hmmm. Nope can't say I feel humiliated because I don't believe Luffy will go to Goa Kingdom. Can I be wrong? OF COURSE. Will I be mad if he goes? Nope.
Excellent way to back up your belief. I am not insane. Well I'm not killing people with a chainsaw so I guess I'm right HAR HAR HAR.
Sabo overhears Dan Dan or others talking about 'X' important person/thing being threatened by the Tenryuubito. Sabo, in a fit of shock/anger/fear decides to investigate. He might go with Ace and leave Luffy because of the thought of Luffy being a weight. He might go alone because this important person/thing is something he doesn't want anyone to know about. Or all 3 might go. There still are possibilities in this general situation.
It´s Dadan please. It´s funny cause I'm pretty sure I said that this flashback was MOSTLY based on Luffy's perspective and memories. Check your damn quote if you want, cause that's what I said, mostly because I'm pretty sure I know that Ace and Sabo's dialogue during Luffy's interrogation as well as the interactions between the garbage pile people and the pirate search team were outside of Luffy's awareness at the time.
More importantly, you've just described a feasable explanation for Luffy not directly seeing the Tenryuubito, something I never argued to begin with.
I think you're forgetting that the reason I entered this discussion was your stupid comment about how the Tenryuubito will not interact in any way with Luffy, and how you found it hard to imagine them playing a part in this flashback.
I don't expect Luffy to have ANY interaction with the Tenryuubito at all.
Why the Tenryuubito are mentioned? Hmmm I have no clue. It kinda boggles me because I dont know how Oda is going to have them play a part in this flashback. Ridiculous.
My final point to adress is that you are a complete hypocrite.
These are all lines you drop in your response.
Takes a nice bite of Humble pie despite the urges to go buck on your ass
Must I go into even more detail? I figure people would put the pieces together but I guess you might not deserve even that much credit.
I can tell your getting worked up because I don't share your same vision or realm of common sense…now THAT'S Humiliating.
Now your showing yourself to be dense and unable to think for yourself.
Let me provide a General example because it seems you can't follow without one:
It's just an example to get your brain rolling in more than one direction.
Your lack of respect to ones opinions and thoughts is of bad taste. None of us know what is going to happen and 90% of the time we are proven wrong. I am satisfied with whatever Oda does but that's not going to stop me from entertaining my own desires for the story.
You have every right to not believe a word I am thinking of to be true but coming at me that way is just tacky.
Do you think you’re being subtle at all, Sage? Really? ‘Cause I don’t think I really got the gist of your extreme politeness and respect for others opinions.
Trying to come off as the level-headed person while simultaneously trying to take cheap potshots at someone is way, and I mean WAY more tacky than openly calling out someone on their passive aggressive douchiness in addition to their complete lack of intellectual integrity.
If you’re going to argue at least be consistent, both in your attitude and your actual thoughts.
Now walk away.
PS:
@Sage:
I don't expect Luffy to have ANY interaction with the Tenryuubito at all.
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Many assume that this is going to affect Sabo but the narration basically stuck the 3 of them together so it will be hard to think of a situation where Sabo would be separated from Ace and/or Luffy and have an important interactive experience with the Tenryuubito.
I don't expect Luffy to have ANY interaction with the Tenryuubito at all.
Why the Tenryuubito are mentioned? Hmmm I have no clue. It kinda boggles me because I dont know how Oda is going to have them play a part in this flashback.
PPS: @Sage:
Takes a nice bite of Humble pie despite the urges to go buck on your ass
Must I go into even more detail? I figure people would put the pieces together but I guess you might not deserve even that much credit.
Your humble pie is asshole pie.
Personally, I think Bluejam looks like a toothless Carmelo Anthony
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i thought it was quite obvious that luffy can't have personnally met the nobles as he didn't recognise the name when hacchi told him
i thought it was quite obvious that luffy can't have personnally met the nobles as he didn't recognise the name when hacchi told him
Well that can seem logical, of course, but there's the posibility that Luffy had some sort of view of the noble/teryubito mentioned at the end of this flashback (or even an interaction) that didn't involve him hearing or being told who he or they are/were, because there's the possibility that he saw them from afar without ever knowing or being told who they were. As well, many extremely arrogant people (and I think the Teryubito can be counted as arrogant) don't bother to introduce themselves, as they may either assume they are famous enough to be instantly recognizable due to their importance, or feel the pleebian in front of them isn't worth the trouble. From their perspective, Luffy is just a 7 year old brat in this flashback–why on earth would they ever consider explaining themselves to him in any way?
That is the gyst of the whole discussion about Lyffy's reaction at SA when he got a glimpse of them. That it was... somewhat ambiguous in nature, and could be interpreted differently in the light of the potential new information the next chapter may reveal. Make sense?
And I am not conconvinced the Teryubito is coming about the stolen money, as the flashback indicated that some time had passed since that incident. There seems to be a hint that the reason for the visit is the growing reputation the three boys are gaining, although it wasn't stated outright. So--stupid speculation of the day; Perhaps they want to recruit them for whatever operation the Bluejam pirates are already doing for them? They may not know the ages of the people creating such a reputation, yk?
@I:
Well that can seem logical, of course, but there's the posibility that Luffy had some sort of view of the noble/teryubito mentioned at the end of this flashback (or even an interaction) that didn't involve him hearing or being told who he or they are/were. Many extremely arrogant people (and I think the Teryubito can be counted as arrogant) don't bother to introduce themselves, as they may either assume they are famous enough to be instantly recognizable due to their importance, or feel the pleebian in front of them isn't worth the trouble.
That is the gyst of the whole discussion about Lyffy's reaction at SA when he got a glimpse of them. That it was… somewhat ambiguous in nature, and could be interpreted differently in the light of the potential new information the next chapter may reveal. Make sense?
It's refreshing to read well thought reasoning, and saves me the trouble of having to explain it to the inevitable response that I have coming.
All of your bullshit.
Honestly, I am not going to go back and forth with you on this. Your going to think the way you wanna think and your going to perceive then way you wanna perceive. I find it a waste of time and forum space. I hope you feel better about yourself. I hope you slammed that edit button with joy and smiled while submitting the post.
Arguing with you is not going to get me anywhere or make my day better. So with that being said, peace homie.
Honestly, I am not going to go back and forth with you on this. Your going to think the way you wanna think and your going to perceive then way you wanna perceive. I find it a waste of time and forum space. I hope you feel better about yourself. I hope you slammed that edit button with joy and smiled while submitting the post.
Arguing with you is not going to get me anywhere or make my day better. So with that being said, peace homie.
I did have a lot of fun. Nice job by the way. Backing out in just two posts.
PWNED
I did. Nice job by the way. Backing out in just two posts.
Sorry I didn't give into arguing with you about a fucking prediction. Looks like im full of disappointment!
Getting PWND never felt soooo good.
@I:
And I am not conconvinced the Teryubito is coming about the stolen money, as the flashback indicated that some time had passed since that incident. There seems to be a hint that the reason for the visit is the growing reputation the three boys are gaining, although it wasn't stated outright. So–stupid speculation of the day; Perhaps they want to recruit them for whatever operation the Bluejam pirates are already doing for them? They may not know the ages of the people creating such a reputation, yk?
I'm quoting myself here because I wanted to add that this would open another potential avenue for disagreement and rifts in the relationships with Luffy and Ace and Sabo that might involve tem being in trouble but not the death of anyone–lol. Not saying noone will die--jsut that there's more of a possibility of another ending with this sort of scenario. And its so Oda-esque/twisty.
Sorry I didn't give into arguing with you about a fucking prediction. Looks like im full of disappointment!
Getting PWND never felt soooo good.
yup.
That is the reaction of someone who was:
PWNT.
Hey you gaiz.
Cut that shit out.
@I:
I'm quoting myself here because I wanted to add that this would open another potential avenue for disagreement and rifts in the relationships with Luffy and Ace and Sabo that might involve tem being in trouble but not the death of anyone–lol. Not saying noone will die--jsut that there's more of a possibility of another ending with this sort of scenario. And its so Oda-esque/twisty.
Absolutely. It hardly seems worth a Tenryuubito's time to oversee the comings and goings or the hoarding of a lowly East-Blue pirate band. To even check up on it does not seem their style as they do not seem to be very hands on people. Even less likely than money is the fact that three kids' reputations in a backwater country would make them move.
They mostly seem to spend ridiculous amounts of money and grow fat and spoiled, and so far their member did not seem like the brightest lights, or the scheming overseer types.
This is probably what lead most people to believe that something bigger than some worldly matter is what made him/her come here. When the event coincides with the fact that the name Sabo suddenly becomes infamous in the area, it also ties in nicely with the whole Sabo is related to them somehow theory.
Actually, there is reasonable cause to believe the World Noble is coming because of the actions of Ace, Luffy and Sabo.
Yes, the World Nobles throw money around like toilet paper, but at this time, we have no idea what Bluejam actually does for the World Noble. We do know that he seems to have a strong relationship with them because it was said by the natives of Gray Terminal that he and members of his crew can do as he pleases.
I'm willing to bet that Bluejam performs a very specific duty for the World Noble and it may be something that we find as shocking.
So the World Noble is not coming to Goa solely because a lowly pirate named Bluejam lost their money. They are probably coming to Goa because Ace, Luffy and Sabo are preventing Bluejam from performing some specific service for the World Noble, that has been deemed very important to them.
And everyone knows how fickle and petty the World Noble. So yes, being over dramatic and taking a tank to kill a fly (which is probably analogous to them showing up to deal with Ace and company) is something that we couldn't put pass them.
Or they might be interested in new, curious slaves that already had the balls to oppose their toady.
Actually, there is reasonable cause to believe the World Noble is coming because of the actions of Ace, Luffy and Sabo.
Yes, the World Nobles throw money around like toilet paper, but at this time, we have no idea what Bluejam actually does for the World Noble. We do know that he seems to have a strong relationship with them because it was said by the natives of Gray Terminal that he and members of his crew can do as he pleases.
I'm willing to bet that Bluejam performs a very specific duty for the World Noble and it may be something that we find as shocking.
So the World Noble is not coming to Goa solely because a lowly pirate named Bluejam lost their money. They are probably coming to Goa because Ace, Luffy and Sabo are preventing Bluejam from performing some specific service for the World Noble, that has been deemed very important to them.
And everyone knows how fickle and petty the World Noble. So yes, being over dramatic and taking a tank to kill a fly (which is probably analogous to them showing up to deal with Ace and company) is something that we couldn't put pass them.
This makes sense and seems like it could be the case, although I really wonder why the Tenryuubito would use or choose the Bluejam pirates for….anything.
Or they might be interested in new, curious slaves that already had the balls to oppose their toady.
Could be but I think the point is that it is definitely not just about money.
This makes sense and seems like it could be the case, although I really wonder why the Tenryuubito would use or choose the Bluejam pirates for….anything.
True but you can say that about any pirate in the area that they chose to do business with.
Bluejam could be one of the most powerful and dangerous pirates in that portion of the Goa Kingdom and maybe he has a great mix of being somewhat infamous but under the radar of the the World Government, so as to not draw suspicion but a strong enough reputation to keep the local natives in line.
I have this feeling that Ace and co. are preventing Bluejam from performing a very specific task that the World Noble deems extremely important and this is why the World Noble has arrived.
Also, even though I don't think it would be a plot hole, if Luffy were to meet a World Noble in the flashback, but I could see the World Noble bringing a very powerful fighter and/or slave with him to takeout Bluejam for failure and Ace and co. for daring to impede on their operations.
So the World Noble may indeed show up at Goa, but have some type of underling do all of the dirty work as a World Noble wouldn't dirty their hands going out to places like the Gray Terminal and the Mountains among the peasants.
I don't know about the rest of you but I am just as excited about each new chapter in the flashback as I was during the Marineford Arc.
im callin it the tenryuu kill Saboo
If you’re going to argue at least be consistent, both in your attitude and your actual thoughts.
Now walk away.
so you intented him to just let it go cause you proved him wrong in every way you could imagine…
Honestly, I am not going to go back and forth with you on this.[…]
Arguing with you is not going to get me anywhere or make my day better. So with that being said, peace homie.
here he goes away from argueing with you..your goal was reached.
I did have a lot of fun. Nice job by the way. Backing out in just two posts.
PWNED
having fun to write a whole book to prove a simple non-saying prediction wrong..kay:happy:
but i dont get why you now say it like you
re dissappointed that he backs out of your discussion so quick..wasnt that the goal of your last post to him? but still your success feeled to great..didn
t it?
Trying to come off as the level-headed person while simultaneously trying to take cheap potshots at someone is way, and I mean WAY more tacky than openly calling out someone on their passive aggressive douchiness in addition to their complete lack of intellectual integrity.
good that you show it yourself via FUCKING HUGE LETTERS…impressive!
yup.
That is the reaction of someone who was:
PWNT.
and there you lose your halo and show that you were just looking to pick a fight to make you feel better.
congratz for being that what you hate and spending a lot of our precious time while doing this
maybe the tenryuubito who will come to Goa are completly different from what we have seen on archipelago ?
maybe the tenryuubito who will come to Goa are completly different from what we have seen on archipelago ?
i dont think so, because they
re suppossed to be recognized everywhere on the world..
also i guess they will use their bubble on the head to not breathe the same air normal people do.
Absolutely. It hardly seems worth a Tenryuubito's time to oversee the comings and goings or the hoarding of a lowly East-Blue pirate band. To even check up on it does not seem their style as they do not seem to be very hands on people. Even less likely than money is the fact that three kids' reputations in a backwater country would make them move.
They mostly seem to spend ridiculous amounts of money and grow fat and spoiled, and so far their member did not seem like the brightest lights, or the scheming overseer types.
This is probably what lead most people to believe that something bigger than some worldly matter is what made him/her come here. When the event coincides with the fact that the name Sabo suddenly becomes infamous in the area, it also ties in nicely with the whole Sabo is related to them somehow theory.
I'm sorry. I think I was unclear–my deficiencies as a writer no doubt are to blame. I was arguing in favor of the Teryubito coming about Ace and Co., not saying I thought it unlikely.
However, I do see your point about it being unlikely considering what we know about Teryubito at this moment. The ones we have seen do indeed seem unlikely to have enough energy or ambition to persue anything other than their own pleasure. But Charlos and his sister may not be representative of all Teryubito, any more than Dragon or Helmeppo are representative of Marines' offspring. There may be some who are sharper, intellectually, or more ambitous and interested in wielding their influence/power on a larger stage than merely SA, and who, for reasons we can not know now, choose to keep their mechinations secret from TPTB. If this were the case, then they may well chose to use relative unknowns like the BlueJam pirates to accomplish some tasks for them in order to run under the radar, as it were.
I feel that, again, we are woefully uninformed, in the general sense, about Teryubito, as we are about a great many other things in the OP universe, and thus are reduced to speculation. Not such a bad thing, reallly, as speculation can be fun, as long as you don't get too married to making your point, lol.
@Don:
so you intented him to just let it go cause you proved him wrong in every way you could imagine…
here he goes away from argueing with you..your goal was reached.
having fun to write a whole book to prove a simple non-saying prediction wrong..kay:happy:
but i dont get why you now say it like you
re dissappointed that he backs out of your discussion so quick..wasnt that the goal of your last post to him? but still your success feeled to great..didn
t it?good that you show it yourself via FUCKING HUGE LETTERS…impressive!
and there you lose your halo and show that you were just looking to pick a fight to make you feel better.
congratz for being that what you hate and spending a lot of our precious time while doing this
It's always nice to be understood my friend! T'was fun.
Being that which I hate? There once was a time when being an obnoxious asshole bothered me, but it stopped. It could very well be the reason why I became a complete obnoxious asshole.
But sometimes it's much more fun if you can destoy someone's pride in the process. I don't know when my internet persona devolved into this. Back when I started I was definately the friendliest guy around, besides that crab-guy. My guess is boredom. I guess it's a good thing that I'm going to a Mexican party tomorrow.
I'm just glad you took the time to recognize my unnescessary effort bro.
@I:
I'm sorry. I think I was unclear–my deficiencies as a writer no doubt are to blame. I was arguing in favor of the Teryubito coming about Ace and Co., not saying I thought it unlikely.
However, I do see your point about it being unlikely considering what we know about Teryubito at this moment. The ones we have seen do indeed seem unlikely to have enough energy or ambition to persue anything other than their own pleasure. But Charlos and his sister may not be representative of all Teryubito, any more than Dragon or Helmeppo are representative of all Marine's offspring. There may be some who are sharper, intellectually, or more ambitous and interested in wielding their influence/power on a larger stage than merely SA, and who, for reasons we can not know now, choose to keep their mechinations secret from TPTB. If this were the case, then they may well chose to use relative unknowns like the BlueJam pirates to accomplish some tasks for them in order to run under the radar, as it were.
I feel that, again, we are woefully uninformed, in the general sense, about Teryubito, as we are about a great many other things in the OP universe, and thus are reduced to speculation. Not such a bad thing, reallly, as speculation can be fun, as long as you don't get too married to making your point, lol.
Are you implying that I got married to my point?!?!! BLASPHEMER!! I might have become carried away.
Well, I'm not against that point of view at all. I think that the Tenryuubito have come due to Sabo's rising infamy on the area. So we're on the same side, just different reasons.
I think there's a lot of people who brought up this Sabo is the son/slave/favourite shag of a Tenryuubito. It makes sense. It's true Oda is making it look as if the two events, that is the rising of the three kids' infamy and the coming of the Tenryuubito, are related. Because I think that there is absolutely no way that a Tenryuubito would show for three insignificant kids. Unless of course he knows Sabo somehow.
It's possible that the kids' operations are putting a hamper on whatever the Bluejam are doing for the nobles. Now that you mention it, it seems unlikely that cash alone is a sufficient motivator so as to allow for those oversights. Generally cash can get people to look the other way on a local scale, but go global and there's no way you have enough money to bribe that many people. So with that said, it is reasonable to say that no amount of cash could possibly be an incentive for Tenryuubito to get involved, especially when they carry around that amount of dough. What I mean is that maybe you can go around bribing like Arlong did, but trying that shit or even suggesting it to a World Noble will probably get you killed, hell they'd probably be more insulted than interested.
You beleeve zet I nead zi moneeeee???? Impudent bret! I am le rich!!!
As close as I could get to a French accent. And on the subject yes it is also true that we really don't have a good sample of the Tenryuubito. Perhaps a few of them aren't as terrible as they seem, and due to social mandate or some other powerplay aren't allowed to act or speak up. But because of everything we heard, so far they look to be grade A fucks. It would be nice though to hear some aren't as bad.
Example: A Tenryuubito who was secretly outraged with the whole slave situation helped Fisher Tiger do his thing by providing him with aid. If he was caught we wouldn't know it as he would either be in lvl 6 or dead. I don't think betrayal at those levels of power is tolerated or allowed to leak into the public eye.
Regardless, it seems more plausible that the Bluejam are protected by the task that they perform rather than by money, something a Tenryuubito would never deal with in the first place because they have basically all they could want. Hell, it might even be a little bit of both.
This was a great chapter! That was pretty cool of how Ace and Sabo saved Luffy. I find it interesting about Luffy's reason to be friends with Ace. Lastly, I wonder why the Tenryuubito are in the area for. Also, my predication for next chapter, is that Luffy, Ace, and Sabo, somehow get involved with the Tenryuubito and thus will create the "Sabo incident". Anyways, can't wait for the next chapter!
Also, thanks to everyone who provided the scans, raws, and translations! ^^
I dont know if this has been pointed out before but anyways!
"Does anyone feel that the S on ASCE has got something to do with Sabo?"
I mean on the likes of Sabo is no-more a friend of Ace?
I dont know if this has been pointed out before but anyways!
"Does anyone feel that the S on ASCE has got something to do with Sabo?"
I mean on the likes of Sabo is no-more a friend of Ace?
It has been mentioned and I agree with those that opine that Ace's tatoo artist just couldn't spell.
I dont know if this has been pointed out before but anyways!
"Does anyone feel that the S on ASCE has got something to do with Sabo?"
I mean on the likes of Sabo is no-more a friend of Ace?
The tattoo artist was dyslexic.
It has been mentioned and I agree with those that opine that Ace's tatoo artist just couldn't spell.
@Cyan:
The tattoo artist was dyslexic.
Oh! Was that mentioned somewhere before?
I agree that this was just a standard bulk chapter. It was not the most entertaining as some may have wished, but necessary to get to the stronger points of the flashback. I believe that may even be the next chapter, with how this one ended.
Are you implying that I got married to my point?!?!! BLASPHEMER!! I might have become carried away.
Well, I'm not against that point of view at all. I think that the Tenryuubito have come due to Sabo's rising infamy on the area. So we're on the same side, just different reasons.
S'ah-right with me, jus' I didn't know there were "sides," per se.
I think there's a lot of people who brought up this Sabo is the son/slave/favourite shag of a Tenryuubito. It makes sense. It's true Oda is making it look as if the two events, that is the rising of the three kids' infamy and the coming of the Tenryuubito, are related. Because I think that there is absolutely no way that a Tenryuubito would show for three insignificant kids. Unless of course he knows Sabo somehow.
Yup. Certainly makes sense when you put it that way. Of course, I also know Oda somehow manages to think of the one logical avenue most of us miss when speculating.
And I realized after my last post that we were told (weren't we?) they are interbreeding at an alarming rate, and although many things in OP Land-o are very different, that can't be a good thing for intellect and such like other genetic stuff, which sorta blows my theory (and yours down below, for that matter) out of the water before it even leaves the dock, but lets pretend it ain't so for the moment.
It's possible that the kids' operations are putting a hamper on whatever the Bluejam are doing for the nobles. Now that you mention it, it seems unlikely that cash alone is a sufficient motivator so as to allow for those oversights. Generally cash can get people to look the other way on a local scale, but go global and there's no way you have enough money to bribe that many people. So with that said, it is reasonable to say that no amount of cash could possibly be an incentive for Tenryuubito to get involved, especially when they carry around that amount of dough. What I mean is that maybe you can go around bribing like Arlong did, but trying that shit or even suggesting it to a World Noble will probably get you killed, hell they'd probably be more insulted than interested.
Yeah, but as you yourself proved, boredom is a force not to be taken lightly. Perhaps one of them simply got bored, and has way too much time and power on his hands for his own good, and decided to play a little chess with real pieces, just to see what would happen. I admit its not probable, but it's definitely possible…
And on the subject yes it is also true that we really don't have a good sample of the Tenryuubito. Perhaps a few of them aren't as terrible as they seem, and due to social mandate or some other powerplay aren't allowed to act or speak up.
Now this is an interesting avenue for further speculation, right here. Lead me right down the path of wondering of the SA might not be the Teryubito's figurative "golden cage," so to speak. Aren't they supposedly granted all this "protection" etc by the WG because at one point their ancestors were powerful enough to have changed the world? Perhaps its a case of "Keep your friends close, and your [potential] enemies closer," hmmm? They may be allowed to say or do whatever they want, just without any real ability to actually make meaningful stuff happen, as a sort of distraction for them, if you will, because of some potential to cause harm to the WG. Its a thought. Oda has done more far fetched turn-abouts, and "politics," as they say, "make strange bed-fellows."
Regardless, it seems more plausible that the Bluejam are protected by the task that they perform rather than by money, something a Tenryuubito would never deal with in the first place because they have basically all they could want. Hell, it might even be a little bit of both.
Yes, if the whole thing is for some sort of gain for the noble, and not just out of boredom or to work some sort of scheme, political or otherwise, for whatever reason AND they aren't just living in a guilded cage, yearning to be free.
In fact, I can't see a way that Sabo is the child of a Teryubito, at this moment. Not saying it can't happen, but right now it doesn't seem likely. Here's why: We do not know how long he has been living in that trash heap, but we do know he's been there for at least 5 years, since they say they've been saving the money that long. Sabo, we're told, is 10, like Ace. Is it even possible that he was old enough to run away to an entirely different sea so far away at such a young age by himself? If not, where is the person(s) who helped him? So, unless he was brought there by a noble for some reason, he was probably born there on that island.
So let's look at the idea of a noble bringing him there. Why would they? Unless Noble women need to try to hide getting pg with illigitimate kids, and needed to come there to have the kid in secret, then his mom is probably not a noble. If its a noble father, then to me it looks more like a by-blow than legitimate, and that would mean his mom may have been from this island, in all probability, because a noble's got no earthly reason that we know about to try and hide an illigitimate brat out of shame, or to bother doing anything for the mom and kid after the fact. They have been presented as people who do whatever they want with impunity. They may not choose to recognize the lilligitimate offspring as their own, but they have no reason to hide their behavior. But that brings us full circle. Why is a noble out of SA and getting brats in the first place? If the noble fell in love, then why not take care of the mom and the kid? Nope,
I can't see any logic to the argument that Sabo is a noble's kid. IMHO, that noble is coming for some other reason, although I have no idea what that might be.
But all of this is just pissing down a well, isn't it, lol. We just have to wait and see what the G'Oda has in store for us.