Guys lets try and stay on topic here….
New official Viz media topic V2.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
the One Piece haters on Naruto sites.
Ooh. Now I'm curious as to what they say about OP. I know the people that complain about it's main argument is that the art "sucks". Which has nothing to do with the story quality at all.
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The other main complaints from Narutards are that the story doesn't go anywhere and that certain situations aren't believeable and/or emotional at all.
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And Naruto has those things? Maybe they are seeking material to write fanfics.
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Got the new volumes. And wow, I knew you guys said 42 had some cursing but wow.
I also noticed that particular volume had Alexis Kirsch as the editor. Did he/she do any of the previous volumes?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention: I actually grabbed the last copies of 39, 40, 42, and 43 that Barnes and Noble had in their speed-up display. It was the first time I ever seen OP volumes sell out.
They had like five copies of 41, though.
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The other main complaints from Narutards are that the story doesn't go anywhere and that certain situations aren't believeable and/or emotional at all.
They do know that both Naruto and One Piece are works of fiction, right?
Never once have I seen a blond boy turn into a fully developed woman while being called into the stomach of a frog. But I mean that's totally believable.
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With believable they mean the fact that Naruto is always feeling the pain of what happens to him while Luffy is always happy.
It's not supposed to make sense, that's why they're called Narutards in the first place.
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As a fan of both, I'd say fans of One Piece and Naruto are equally stupid and painful to subject oneself to on the interwebs.
In other news, I want that shelf Brad!!
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@Yuugi's:
In other news, I want that shelf Brad!!
Word.
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@Brad:
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Got the new volumes. And wow, I knew you guys said 42 had some cursing but wow.
… this is a miracle if I've ever seen one o.o...
Fairy Tail rules and Del Ray does a fantastic job with it; leaving in all the -chans, sama, etc (with a note at the beginning explaining their meaning). And Naruto really is bad. FT's worst chapter is better than the whole series :P
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I don't like honorifics all that much. Rurouni Kenshin is the only series that I've read in which they fit very well I thought. They slowly stopped using them, though.
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In the Viz volumes, Kumadori speaks in old english.
Examples of some of his lines:
"Noooowwwww, Thoouu arrrtt mineee!"
"You shall call me a Shishi, a lion! Willst thou call me such? Willst thou?! Willst thou?!"
"Do not cry!! Oh, Do not cry. If thou criest, thy name as a man will cry as well!" -
That's actually really neat.
As for me, I don't mind honorifics if the series is a period piece or explicitly takes place in Japan or something like that. Y'know, like Ruroni Kenshin, Persona, Death Note, etc. Otherwise it just sort of comes off as odd to me, like say, oh the characters in the very European Fullmetal Alchemist using Japanese terminology. Just doesn't mesh well.
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Well this is striclty my opinion:
Naruto completely outclasses Fairy Tail as a manga.
Fairy Tail is an entertaining action series. I like it. But it ripoffs One Piece in some ways - the character designs and themes. It's a knock off of popular shonen.
It's far more generic with straighforward and predictable plots. The whole series is often guild vs. guild battles.
Fairy Tail has some parts that really arent' very good - take the Luxus arc and the Oracion Seis arc. They're so repetetitve…just another guild vs. guild battle.
Naruto has a far less linear plot and far more depth to its' characters. It's not perfect - there are times in Part II where the writing for the character Naruto himself feels a little off. The Itachi arc and Hidan / Kakuzu arc weren't executed all that well, but there were bright spots in the battle between Jiraiya and Pain.
Now, Part I of Naruto is another story....if Naruto remained on its' level from Part I, well I would've put it in my top five all time favorite manga...right now my 4 favorite are One Piece, 20th Century Boys, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Rurouni Kenshin.
Fairy Tail doesn't even fall on my top 10 list...
Naruto's best chapters are really excellent - The Zabuza arc, the Chuunin Exam, the Sasuke Retrieval / Valley of the End arc, The Pain Invasion arc, and the most recent chapters for example.
There are definitely good parts of Fairy Tail....the characters are entertaining. But the series doesn't have that much depth....just a lot of fights and fanservice.
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mmm can you rate fairy tail out of ten please as iam debating weather to buy the first 5 volumes, my mate sed that the auther of fairy tail new oda they went to the same school or somthing is that true, and story wise is it like one piece or more predictable?
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@Brad:
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Got the new volumes. And wow, I knew you guys said 42 had some cursing but wow.
What do you mean wow? Since when was Hell a curse word or is that an over sensitive American thing?
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Well this is striclty my opinion:
Naruto completely outclasses Fairy Tail as a manga.
Fairy Tail is an entertaining action series. I like it. But it ripoffs One Piece in some ways - the character designs and themes. It's a knock off of popular shonen.
Stop. Just stop. Honestly? You really think that the art style is a rip off of One Piece? Even though since the start of Rave (which was 1999) the art style looked more like the Water 7 onwards stuff (2004/5). His art just so happens to look similar but on all counts it isn't a rip off.
…and a knock off of popular shonen?? Give me one shonen series that isn't! Including One Piece!
...or maybe you just misspelled the word influenced
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Fairy Tail has some parts that really arent' very good - take the Luxus arc and the Oracion Seis arc. They're so repetetitve…just another guild vs. guild battle.
Naruto has a far less linear plot and far more depth to its' characters. It's not perfect - there are times in Part II where the writing for the character Naruto himself feels a little off. The Itachi arc and Hidan / Kakuzu arc weren't executed all that well, but there were bright spots in the battle between Jiraiya and Pain.
Now, Part I of Naruto is another story....if Naruto remained on its' level from Part I, well I would've put it in my top five all time favorite manga...right now my 4 favorite are One Piece, 20th Century Boys, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Rurouni Kenshin.
Fairy Tail doesn't even fall on my top 10 list...
Naruto's best chapters are really excellent - The Zabuza arc, the Chuunin Exam, the Sasuke Retrieval / Valley of the End arc, The Pain Invasion arc, and the most recent chapters for example.
There are definitely good parts of Fairy Tail....the characters are entertaining. But the series doesn't have that much depth....just a lot of fights and fanservice.
Honestly, theres really no point trying to preach how "good" Naruto is on this forum. I don't really mind it. It's got its good points and bad points and isnt really nearly as good as it has been but its by no means as bad as people on here would have you believe.
Though I cant believe that you would say that Fairy Tale is boring, repetitive and badly executed and still have the balls to call Rurouni Kenshin good.
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What do you mean wow? Since when was Hell a curse word or is that an over sensitive American thing?
We're wow-ing because Viz has never come close to cursing, instead choosing to go with "Ah Curses!" (Which they still sometimes do. :getlost:) The fact is not that their not "hardcore" curse words. The fact is that there are curse words in it at all. The surprise comes from their years of censorship.
Stop. Just stop. Honestly? You really think that the art style is a rip off of One Piece? Even though since the start of Rave (which was 1999) the art style looked more like the Water 7 onwards stuff (2004/5). His art just so happens to look similar but on all counts it isn't a rip off.
…and a knock off of popular shonen?? Give me one shonen series that isn't! Including One Piece!
...or maybe you just misspelled the word influenced
Oh, come on, stop fooling yourself. If you can look at these 2 scenes side by side and say that Fairy Tail's not ripping off OP, then something is wrong here.
Fairy tail
One piece
(Gotten from the One Piece/Fairy Tail comparison thread: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=25992 )
EDIT: Yeah, compare this to the first FT pic:
Honestly, theres really no point trying to preach how "good" Naruto is on this forum. I don't really mind it. It's got its good points and bad points and isnt really nearly as good as it has been but its by no means as bad as people on here would have you believe.
I don't think anyone denies that Part 1 was good. It's Part II that made me hate it.
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@Eustlass:
mmm can you rate fairy tail out of ten please as iam debating weather to buy the first 5 volumes, my mate sed that the auther of fairy tail new oda they went to the same school or somthing is that true, and story wise is it like one piece or more predictable?
Fairy Tail's rating from me - 10/10. A rating only One Piece, FMA, and DBZ have gotten from me prior. Naruto's rating - 1/10, and even then I think I'm being too gracious.
Stop. Just stop. Honestly? You really think that the art style is a rip off of One Piece? Even though since the start of Rave (which was 1999) the art style looked more like the Water 7 onwards stuff (2004/5). His art just so happens to look similar but on all counts it isn't a rip off.
…and a knock off of popular shonen?? Give me one shonen series that isn't! Including One Piece!
...or maybe you just misspelled the word influenced
Honestly, theres really no point trying to preach how "good" Naruto is on this forum. I don't really mind it. It's got its good points and bad points and isnt really nearly as good as it has been but its by no means as bad as people on here would have you believe.
Though I cant believe that you would say that Fairy Tale is boring, repetitive and badly executed and still have the balls to call Rurouni Kenshin good.
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@Badass:
I don't think anyone denies that Part 1 was good. It's Part II that made me hate it.
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Fairy Tail is a fun series. Nothing deep. A bunch of forced emotional moments. Alot of arcs that start off with promise and eventually fall flat on the face. Great art with some smutty echi. Still a fun roller coaster ride… I can't really say more than that.
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@Eustlass:
mmm can you rate fairy tail out of ten please as iam debating weather to buy the first 5 volumes, my mate sed that the auther of fairy tail new oda they went to the same school or somthing is that true, and story wise is it like one piece or more predictable?
Imo it's really predictable more so than Naruto. The current Arc is bit better than the previous ones, currently but still sort of see it heading south along the way.
The series also seems to lack consistent strength among the characters.
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What do you mean wow? Since when was Hell a curse word or is that an over sensitive American thing?
@Badass:
We're wow-ing because Viz has never come close to cursing, instead choosing to go with "Ah Curses!" (Which they still sometimes do. :getlost:) The fact is not that their not "hardcore" curse words. The fact is that there are curse words in it at all. The surprise comes from their years of censorship.
This is pretty much what I meant. They have quite a few damn/dammits in there as well.
Its pretty hilarious they use hell quite often now but back in volume 13 when Zoro said Nami was gonna pay in the afterlife, she said, "I know, I'm going to blazes."
EDIT: Might I add that Oda's artwork looks fucking amazing in print! So much better than reading it online.
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Once again, this is my opinio, so please take no offense.
There are parts of Part II I didn't think were great. Basically volume 34 - 43 of Naruto is where it drags…and the year of the Itachi arc was a bad year for Naruto in general.
But I think Pain Invasion through the current is back up to Part I quality.
Rurouni Kenshin is soooo much better than Fairy Tail though. There is actually depth to the characters in RuroKen and though Enishi didn't surpass Shishio, the villains were great. It was concise and Watsuki knew when to end it so things didn't drag out. What exactly is there to complain about in RuroKen?
Fairy Tail is enjoyable. But seriously, its' just action scenes and ecchi scenes. It's got none of the emotion that One Piece has. The only depth to the characters are their quirks...don't get me wrong, I do own volumes 1 - 9 of Fairy Tail, but it's not really special.
How can you honestly say the artwork in the beginning of Rave looks ANYTHING like Oda's artwork post-Water Seven.
Water Seven is when Oda's artwork took some significant strides forward. The artwork at the beginning of Rave is unbelievably bad. It looks like crap.
Also it's just a rumor that Oda and Mashima trained under the same author.
The truth is Eiichiro Oda and Hiroyuki Takei were both assistants to Nobuhiro Watsuki for Rurouni Kenshin. Takei is the author of Shaman King.
Now...giving the manga I read number ranks?
One Piece - 10/10
Rurouni Kenshin - 9.8/10
Dragon Ball - 8.8/10
20th Century Boys - 10/10
Pluto - 9.7/10
Monster - 9.8/10
YuYu Hakusho - 8/10
Fairy Tail - 6.8/10
Fullmetal Alchemist - 10/10
Naruto - 8.2/10
Hunter x Hunter - 9.5/10
Reborn! - 6/10
Bleach - 6.8/10
Shaman King - 6/10
Slam Dunk - 8.5/10
Vagabond - 9.6/10
Bakuman - 8/10
Death Note - 7/10Well those are most of the ones I've read. There are some other more obscure ones lol
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@Badass:
Oh, come on, stop fooling yourself. If you can look at these 2 scenes side by side and say that Fairy Tail's not ripping off OP, then something is wrong here.
Fairy tail
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000022/000042561/11.jpghttp://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000022/000042561/12.jpg
One piece
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000193/03.jpg(Gotten from the One Piece/Fairy Tail comparison thread: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=25992 )
EDIT: Yeah, compare this to the first FT pic:
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000191/11.jpgHow many other shonen manga do you think you could do this with?
I don't see how anyone could say FT rips off OP if they ever read Rave(Master) cuz that's your typical shonen manga and FT is a fucking carbon copy of it.
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I enjoy Fairy Tail, but it does feel like a bit of a rip-off of One Piece. I haven't gotten very far, I stopped reading a couple volumes in (something about an island where the villagers became monsters or something) because that's where the translations ended and I kind of forgot about it. It's not as good as One Piece, but if you can stand the fact that most of it is a rip-off, then it's a somewhat enjoyable read. If you ask me, though, the characters are all drawn a bit too much alike, and I like the art style for the same reason I like One Piece's, but the characters can seem odd at times. Anything not ripped right out of One Piece, though, feels like it's taken straight out of a Fantasy RPG. Their guild leader looks like a Gnome in World of Warcraft. It fails at originality. Still, worth a try.
Naruto actually isn't such a terrible manga. Again, I've only read the start (up until they have their chunin exams) and I enjoyed it a lot more than the anime episodes I watched. Not my type of manga, but I can't say it's bad. Also worth a try. I've heard of some stuff later on that seems genuinely interesting. I have yet to hear anything good about it after the time-skip. So you should probably give it a shot, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, just because it has a lot of good and a lot of bad, and from some images I've seen later on, a good bit of ugly in there as well. Not as good or as consistent as One Piece, but you'll get some enjoyment out of it.
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I'll just have to openly ask if ppl think Fairy Tail is a rip off of One Piece what do you think of Rave Master? Cuz FT is exactly like Rave except FT has more fan service and is lighter on it's plot. Are yall willing to say something stupid like Rave is a rip off of One Piece too?
I really don't see much similarity between the two manga from art to story. If yall have read Mashima's other work(Monster Soul & Monster Hunter Orage) you'd see it's all the fucking same, no significant difference from Rave and FT. Only difference is those two just got more popular.
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mm now iam completey confused weather to buy vols 1-5 of fairy tail ( gonna cost me 55 bux on the book depositry) umm i really wonted to read fist of the north star as it was popular in the 80s anyone read any of it and can they compare it to one piece or fairy tail, my mate once sed one piece dosnt get a rateing becoz its the best manga out, he sed fairy tail was a 11/10 but it seems a lot of people dissagree here and some even say fairy tail gets old fast.
I would say naruto was a good manga 4 years ago lmao its now completly overpowerd by one piece, and bleach has been crap for about 3 years straight so ye at the moment one piece is the best manga out i would say, well its kelpt me very interested in the last 100 ormore chapters dieing to find out whats next
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@Brad:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/BradRedfield/ZoroWhatTheHell.jpg
Got the new volumes. And wow, I knew you guys said 42 had some cursing but wow.
I also noticed that particular volume had Alexis Kirsch as the editor. Did he/she do any of the previous volumes?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention: I actually grabbed the last copies of 39, 40, 42, and 43 that Barnes and Noble had in their speed-up display. It was the first time I ever seen OP volumes sell out.
They had like five copies of 41, though.
Seems like you'll encounter a problem after the 6'th July? :D
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More likely, they simply have different editors and translation teams working on the manga right now—and they never compare notes. :getlost:
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@Eustlass:
mm now iam completey confused weather to buy vols 1-5 of fairy tail
How about read volume 1 and make your own damn decisions on it!
Lets get back on topic, the last couple pages of this are all full of redundant crap
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Well, I've made up my mind. I'm going to buy the Viz volumes.
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lol, just read 20th Century Boys instead =]
Completely different genre…we're going from action / ecchi shonen series to a mystery / suspense seinen manga....but 20th CB is tied for my favorite manga with One Piece!
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When I got someone into One Piece, she told me that it felt exactly like reading Rave to her because of how similar they were in art styles and humor. I got her into Fairy Tail, and it was the same thing. No one is ripping anyone off here, it's just similarities in art styles.
I feel like I'm reading one of those endless "Bleach is ripping off DBZ" arguments… except those are entertaining to see the stupidity on both sides :P lol
I was just looking on Amazon and saw that this cover for volume 50 got its color scheme changed to this.
I'm hoping it's just a mistake on viz or Amazons part, because that's my second favorite cover and the violet color is really off compared to the great looking gray/black.
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We already knew since December, sorry but you are LATE.
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Never noticed that. The Japanese one looks better IMO. But I also saw this: http://mangahelpers.com/gallery/images/41342/1_OP_50.jpg
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Seeing as how they give you "Buy Volumes 1-19" links I doubt that will help.
I could supply you w/a link if you want.
@Badass:
Some news from Volume 41. The Void century is called the Void in History which makes a lot more sense to me. When it's referred to as the blank century, it's the Blank Years. Dereshi is left intact. Cha pa pa is still there for anyone who didn't know.
Duly Noted
April's batch goes up to Vol. 43. May's will be Vol. 44 to 48.
Funny thing, if you were at Anime Boston they had up to 48.
@dirt:
Del Rey usually does a good job, and they have actual Translation Notes by the translator giving reasons for why they chose a particular phrase or style of speaking or whatnot. It's actually pretty nice.
Another reason why I love their work on SZS.
Stop. Just stop. Honestly? You really think that the art style is a rip off of One Piece? Even though since the start of Rave (which was 1999) the art style looked more like the Water 7 onwards stuff (2004/5). His art just so happens to look similar but on all counts it isn't a rip off..
Still… it's kinda hard to ignore stuff like this
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[/hide]How about read volume 1 and make your own damn decisions on it!
Lets get back on topic, the last couple pages of this are all full of redundant crap
How about you stop being a jerk to somebody merely adding to a discussion? If you don't like the "redundant crap" there's always that x in the top-right corner.
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@The:
Funny thing, if you were at Anime Boston they had up to 48.
Really huh? Well I guess that's too bad, since I usually try to avoid going to the Prudential Center and that general area around that time.
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@The:
How about you stop being a jerk to somebody merely adding to a discussion? If you don't like the "redundant crap" there's always that x in the top-right corner.
How about I have been and this isn't a Fairy Tale or manga ratings thread. Those are redundant subjects compared to the topic at hand - Viz's One Piece manga
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Rave is one the worst mangas I've ever read.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
What exactly is there to complain about in RuroKen?
Do you want the long or short list?
Water Seven is when Oda's artwork took some significant strides forward.
What a load of bullshit.
OP's art was great since the Baratie Arc. And was superb since Alabasta.But the truth is, the only boring parts of Part II were the end of the Grass Country arc, the Hidan & Kakuzu arc, and the Itachi arc.
Everything since the Pain Invasion arc started has been back to Part I quality with the exception of Sakura's lame confession and Naruto collapsing.
How can one guy be so wrong about so much.
Why are people swarming around you like you're the jesus of the thread, preaching hialrious trash from the mount.Part 1 began to suck hugely near the end, and the series has never recovered in any sense whatsoever.
Scattered moments of decent have popped out of the sea of turds, but they're anomalies.
Part 2 is far worse then Bleach in every respect. Bleach is mostly boring as dry wall. Naruto is a landfill.The idea that the massive puddle of shit that is anything involving Pein would be comparable to the Chunnin exam is the funniest thing I've read all week.
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How about I have been and this isn't a Fairy Tale or manga ratings thread. Those are redundant subjects compared to the topic at hand - Viz's One Piece manga
In those people talking about Fairy Tail's defense, this is the New Official Viz Media Topic, not the New official Viz Media One Piece Topic.
Though FT is licensed by Del Rey, isn't it? :silly:
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I think the only reason Fairy Tail looks similar to One Piece is because both authors are influenced by Akira Toriyama's style, which informed their styles.
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Okay…. Funny thing about people talking about Rurouni Kenshin, because Eiichiro Oda WAS AN ASSISTANT to Nobuhiro Watsuki during it's debut. They ALL influence each other.
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@Badass:
In those people talking about Fairy Tail's defense, this is the New Official Viz Media Topic, not the New official Viz Media One Piece Topic.
Maybe it's just me, but I thought this thread fell under the "Arlong Park Forums- One piece Fansite > One Piece > Manga" category.
You can call it what you want, but it goes against the forums tier system.
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@Preston:
I think the only reason Fairy Tail looks similar to One Piece is because both authors are influenced by Akira Toriyama's style, which informed their styles.
And neither looks anything like Toriyama's style.
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Left Viz a (polite) comment on their facebook, got kinda annoyed upon seeing this:
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Wow, way to elevate your opinion way above someone elses.
The truth is, I couldn't stand Rave because of the boring story and terrible artwork. The beginning of Rave looks absolutely terrible. The bodies are terribly proportioned, the faces are poorly drawn. It makes Togashi's worst chapters of Hunter x Hunter and YuYu Hakusho look beautiful in comparison lol.
Seeing it up close in print in the actual volumes and Shonen Jump issues, I'd say the artwork in Alabasta was a lot less refined than it is now. You can clearly see there's much more detail in the characters and backgrounds now. This all started in Water Seven. I mean, I've got volumes 1 - 38 and it's certainly clear Oda's artwork has made some great steps forward. The most significant stride was taken in Water Seven. The proportions, shading, cross hatching, backgrounds…all that good stuff, just got a whole lot more detail. Even his color artwork got better.
The Alabasta artwork is actually my least favorite time period for the manga seeing it up close. I mean, it just doesn't look as refined. Seeing it in big print in SJ there are a lot of scenes that are more sketchy than other parts of the manga.
Honestly though, it doesn't matter if you like the artwork before Water Seven as that bears no relevance to my claim that the artwork got better during Water Seven. I never indicated it was bad before that, only that it made significant improvements. Are you saying the artwork has remained constant since Alabasta? Unless that is what you're suggested, you haven't countered my statement at all.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion of Naruto. However, I find the plot far more cohesive than what Bleach has become. This most recent arc that has lasted over 2 years now has pushed the story beyond the point of boring into sheer nonsense. Honestly, Aizen is the most ridiculously overpowered villain in existance, having transitioned to perfectly cunning to completely haxxed.
As I said, there is only one stretch of Naruto I dislike. We're going to have to agree to disagree, though many fans will say that the manga has certainly picked up since the Pain Invasion.
Mashima's artwork is like a lesser-version of Oda's. It's similar in style, but often his characters and their facial expressions are just a bit more awkward and not as well proportioned....at least his modern artwork. I think early Rave art is terrible.
As for Rurouni Kenshin, it's up to you how much you want to type, but honestly I don't see how something like Fairy Tail can even compare to Rurouni Kenshin, which has at least a shred of depth and originality.
Fairy Tail is just entertaining - action and ecchi if you're into that....but no depth and little originality and little emotion.
One Piece is entertaining, action packed, dramatic, funny, bursting with originality and creativity.
Fairy Tail and One Piece are ONLY similar in artwork and Mashima's attempt to follow One Piece in some of its' themes and scenarios.