AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik, Replying to Thread Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4) @ 01:33 PM
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AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik, Replying to Thread Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4) @ 01:33 PM
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This says to me that you're not really that sold on your own argument, then.
Your question was
If it he doesn't take it as seriously as Luffy in Oda's writing, will it bother you?
I answered no. Had you asked "he doesn't feel emotional at all" my answer would be yes. My argument doesn't rest on him being as emotional as Luffy.
Yeah, I'm sure he wont be emotional for long. But there are plenty of similar cases in real life. When someone dies, a friend of the person may have to help a sibling of the person through it (even though they're both sad).
In real life its different. But we all read One Piece to escape reality don't we?? The thing is Luffy should not JUST get over this. He should grow from this. The only way he could do this is if he does this on his own.
I starting to feel like I am not being able to relate my theory very well and I have just started to counter you, effectively drifting away from my base argument… If you feel the same way please tell me. I just didn't want to keep repeating the same stuff and bore everybody...
Oh! I see where I'm not wanted… :sad:
No at all!! I love to argue!! If the person I am arguing with is good at arguing, I love it more!! You are very much appreciated
PS: and I really wanted to argue with Brennen, and I knew if I brought Jimbei up, he would respond… he is one of the reason I joined this forum.
Thanks that made me laugh.
Your question was
I answered no. Had you asked "he doesn't feel emotional at all" my answer would be yes. My argument doesn't rest on him being as emotional as Luffy.
Well sure Jinbei's emotional, he was shown crying in this chapter. I guess I need to return to the roots of this argument. You're curious if Jinbei would be counterproductive to Luffy's recovery (I hope I got that right). That continues below, I suppose.
In real life its different. But we all read One Piece to escape reality don't we?? The thing is Luffy should not JUST get over this. He should grow from this. The only way he could do this is if he does this on his own.
Sure it's different, but real life ideas are normally used as a foundation. Yes, Luffy should grow, but it's pretty common to think that grieving with someone should be helpful to the process (since we can think of easily comparable examples in real life).
I starting to feel like I am not being able to relate my theory very well and I have just started to counter you, effectively drifting away from my base argument… If you feel the same way please tell me. I just didn't want to keep repeating the same stuff and bore everybody...
That's pretty common around here. This is especially true when the person who made the argument allows it to happen.
No at all!! I love to argue!! If the person I am arguing with is good at arguing, I love it more!! You are very much appreciated
I was really just joking around. I do that a lot (usually indicated by the use of the smilies).
…little to nothing. Most of the dialog from any chapter gets scrutinized here. Jinbei has been 10+ years in the works, so his statements, especially about dying for a cause, should stand out. In fact, we've had this conversation before…
They should stand and out and that's why some ppl see it as his shtick in a completely unfunny form. I think I've told you before but we already get it Jinbei's honorable and willing to die for the ppl he's indebted to. Two times was enough. You act like we haven't gone over this before or like anything you're saying is new to me.
Jinbei is no different. There is a lot riding on this war, and he knows it. A lot. As for Ace, he cared about him near as much as Luffy and Whitebeard did, so his lament over Ace's death is completely in character.
The difference is Jinbei's relationship is with the WB pirates not the SHs. That's why fans would see it slightly different. When he says he'll die for them and it stands out every time it's hard for ppl to see him switching that loyalty.
First off, a lack of knowledge is no basis for argumentation. Second, Jinbei putting his life, and or hidden dream, on the line for the sake of Ace and Whitebeard is no different than Zoro or Sanji doing so for Luffy. They all just understand that there is greater purpose in their sacrifice than there is for them to stand by and do nothing, which is exactly what makes his statements important. He has exactly what Luffy always states is necessary to be a real pirate
The difference is who he's putting the line on for. At this point everybody knows their dead. It doesn't matter why Jinbei was putting his life on the line for WB which extends to Ace. It was for WB regardless for again something he obviously couldn't do himself.
Oh yeah why would you try to bait that guy with the last line?
I'm just reiterating, but Jinbei's fight is not only for Whitebeard. He has stated that he is willing to put his life on the line for not only Whitebeard, but Ace as well, and by extension the entire underlying reason behind his initial disapproval of the war: the fact that Whitebeard dying means no more protection for Fishman Island and miscellaneous New World island #1, 2, and 3. Much, much more at stake than simply "I owe this dude a favor, so I might as well…"
Yeah, it sounds like to me that he feels he's indebted for life cuz WB did something he couldn't do. I never compared it to a favor or claimed that he wasn't serious about putting his life on the line for what WB did. Dude gave up his freedom by refusing to go to war, then officially gave up his title, and between that time stressed several times he'd give up his life if this situation could be averted.
That's why I said I wondered why he even became a shichibukai.
M. Bison/Shiryuu aside, I thought I would mention for the record that Sentoumaru's design is based off of Kintaro, not E. Honda. As are the Admirals' pseudonyms.
I was joking around here. Did you miss the Das Bones/Sagat part? but I haven't forgot you're incapable of telling when I'm making a joke.
I knew who he was based off of, it was stressed a whole lot around here when he was revealed but I guess you needed to mention it for the record.
Urouge, Hancock won't join, Jinbei won't join, hands aren't drills and the sky is falling.
Urouge, Hancock won't join
But… but... what about her eyes and her lips?
Jinbei won't join
I guess Luffy will just have to eat Moria, instead!
hands aren't drills
Maybe not your gimpy hands. :ninja:
and the sky is falling.
…shit
What a LQ pic
And I feel like arguing about something too, but not sure what yet.
Because
the editortold Oda to grow a pair.
Think it was her. Who wants their child being raised by a guy who can't kill fictional characters?
@wintergt:
What a LQ pic
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4012790/Pictures/OP575/op575-2.jpgAnd I feel like arguing about something too, but not sure what yet.
Thank you
What a LQ pic
[qimg]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4012790/Pictures/OP575/op575-2.jpg[/qimg]And I feel like arguing about something too, but not sure what yet.
:ninja: Bon-chan is still alive and will be the next person to join the crew…
I can't think of anything else worth arguing for right now :(
Well sure Jinbei's emotional, he was shown crying in this chapter. I guess I need to return to the roots of this argument. You're curious if Jinbei would be counterproductive to Luffy's recovery (I hope I got that right). That continues below, I suppose.
Well yeah, but not from the characters point of view, from authors or audiences point of view… I will try to get back to the base argument below.
Sure it's different, but real life ideas are normally used as a foundation. Yes, Luffy should grow, but it's pretty common to think that grieving with someone should be helpful to the process (since we can think of easily comparable examples in real life).
Again yeah, but wouldn't it be un-luffy-like or un-one-piece like??
That's pretty common around here. This is especially true when the person who made the argument allows it to happen.
DAMMIT!!
Okay here is what I am saying. The thing is now that Ace is dead and two most affected by this are Luffy and Jimbei. Jimbei joining BEFORE the grieving process is over would make it so that either he would be helping Luffy which would be weird… or he would be grieving with him which would be weirder.
In the event Luffy recovers and Jimbei joins... his character seems like he takes things a little too seriously, hence Ace dying would constantly be brought up like he keeps bringing up his willingness to die during this war. Wouldn't this make the story boring?? Of course seeing not one but possibly TWO characters following this routine would be a bigger head ache...
I was really just joking around. I do that a lot (usually indicated by the use of the smilies).
Oh, don't mind then…
Thanks that made me laugh.
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:ninja: Bon-chan is still alive and will be the next person to join the crew…
I can't think of anything else worth arguing for right now :(
Oh boy you know how to pick em, I find Bon Clay one of the most annoying characters in the whole of OP. (mostly b/c of the anime tho) But he should be dead, or "never heard of again" that works too.
That thing you are talking about won't fit on the ship…
This thread seriously sucks with this poll...
That thing you are talking about won't fit on the ship…
This thread seriously sucks with this poll...
its good that you think that this thread suck because it means it's going in the right direction.
I am starting to feel that AGOG himself doesn't feel Perona will join… He just likes to annoy the hell out of everyone.
Oh boy you know how to pick em, I find Bon Clay one of the most annoying characters in the whole of OP. (mostly b/c of the anime tho) But he should be dead, or "never heard of again" that works too.
See? I DO know how to pick them~ ;P
Bon-chan isn't annoying! He might've been a tiny bit in the anime but he was also hilarious and he would fit perfectly with most of the crew~ If he is alive he would really cheer Luffy up too. O: And it would be kind of unfair if he died now that Ace died… I bet that just before Magellan caught him, the BB pirates stirred some major trouble and distracted Magellan long enough for Bon-chan to escape. :ninja:
Only 'problem' with him joining the crew, would be sharing the same VA with Franky in the anime. =/
Oh! And HE IS ALIVE UNTIL THE FLASHBACK IS SHOWN, OKAY?! :cwy:
PS: I am not really a big fan of Bon Kurei. I like him but I am not crazy about him. I am just stirring some trouble with you. >;P
Well this is a Luffy only Arc/Saga so the primary focus should be on Luffy…The only reason I can think of is to make Luffy realize what he lacks. This arc was all about what Luffy lacks in contrast to previous ones. The purpose should be to help Luffy realize this and work to straighten this out.
Correction: this "saga". It kicked off with Moria's words about the New World. It was shoved down our throats during the Saboady Archipelago arc, then it was furthered by Luffy's defeat in Impel Down, and multiple beatdowns at Marineford. Jinbei sharing the sense of loss with Luffy about one of those items, which, we should recall, was Ace's decision, not Luffy's shortcomings, would not really change anything.
I really wanted to argue with Brennen… he is one of the reason I joined this forum.
Well yeah, but not from the characters point of view, from authors or audiences point of view… I will try to get back to the base argument below.
Again yeah, but wouldn't it be un-luffy-like or un-one-piece like??
DAMMIT!!
Okay here is what I am saying. The thing is now that Ace is dead and two most affected by this are Luffy and Jimbei. Jimbei joining BEFORE the grieving process is over would make it so that either he would be helping Luffy which would be weird... or he would be grieving with him which would be weirder.
In the event Luffy recovers and Jimbei joins... his character seems like he takes things a little too seriously, hence Ace dying would constantly be brought up like he keeps bringing up his willingness to die during this war. Wouldn't this make the story boring?? Of course seeing not one but possibly TWO characters following this routine would be a bigger head ache...
Oh, don't mind then...
:blink:
It seems to me like you're making up a problem when there isn't one….I don't see any reason why Jimbei would constantly bring up Ace especially since he knows that it will most likely irritate Luffy. Jimbei is not the kind of person who is going to grieve very openly either, he will most likely grieve, but just in his own head and act as if nothing is going wrong.
To me your main point seems like a non issue (No offense).
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Again yeah, but wouldn't it be un-luffy-like or un-one-piece like??
Such a thing would be about Jinbei, though. Luffy's reaction could still be Luffy.
Okay here is what I am saying. The thing is now that Ace is dead and two most affected by this are Luffy and Jimbei. Jimbei joining BEFORE the grieving process is over would make it so that either he would be helping Luffy which would be weird… or he would be grieving with him which would be weirder.
Well, first things first I don't think he'd join before the grieving process was over. But, in the situation you describe (as mentioned above), I'd see it as just a few lines from Jinbei that he prompted himself, followed by a Luffy-esque reaction (maybe similar to Water 7 when he forced himself to smile, and say everything was fine, etc).
In the event Luffy recovers and Jimbei joins… his character seems like he takes things a little too seriously, hence Ace dying would constantly be brought up like he keeps bringing up his willingness to die during this war. Wouldn't this make the story boring?? Of course seeing not one but possibly TWO characters following this routine would be a bigger head ache...
Or it could… not be written that way. That would work too.
I've said this before (you joined). A bad fanfic of the continuation to argue against something happening is a very bad argument. It only has to be different to make the point moot.
My hands are BACKHANDS ACROSS YOUR FACE
They're still not drills, gimpy.
Correction: this "saga". It kicked off with Moria's words about the New World. It was shoved down our throats during the Saboady Archipelago arc, then it was furthered by Luffy's defeat in Impel Down, and multiple beatdowns at Marineford. Jinbei sharing the sense of loss with Luffy about one of those items, which, we should recall, was Ace's decision, not Luffy's shortcomings, would not really change anything.
I will just quote myself here
Why was Ace killed off?? The only reason I can think of is to make Luffy realize what he lacks. Even if succeeded in saving Ace in the end it took away 10 Years of his life, two burst of Vigor hormones and the complete support of WB and his allies. Then Ace died protecting Luffy!! This arc was all about what Luffy lacks in contrast to previous ones. The purpose should be to help Luffy realize this and work to straighten this out.
The thing is, even if was Ace's decision, it was because Luffy was unable to protect himself at that moment… hence his shortcoming. And the most important and memorable event was Ace's death...
Why you would ignore the rest of the same post is beyond me...
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Well you and Vanessa…
See? I DO know how to pick them~ ;P
Bon-chan isn't annoying! He might've been a tiny bit in the anime but he was also hilarious and he would fit perfectly with most of the crew~ If he is alive he would really cheer Luffy up too. O: And it would be kind of unfair if he died now that Ace died… I bet that just before Magellan caught him, the BB pirates stirred some major trouble and distracted Magellan long enough for Bon-chan to escape. :ninja:
Doesn't really work with the timeframe imo, but if Oda really wants to keep him in the story then it'll have to be something like this ofcourse. But he already "sacrificed" himself twice now, regardless of whether you like him or not it's gonna be a bit rediculous if he just comes back to do it all over again..
Only 'problem' with him joining the crew, would be sharing the same VA with Franky in the anime. =/
Ah thx for making my arguments for me :)
Oh! And HE IS ALIVE UNTIL THE FLASHBACK IS SHOWN, OKAY?! :cwy:
Oh I don't doubt that he is still alive, I mean it takes a while for the poison to really kill someone.
PS: I am not really a big fan of Bon Kurei. I like him but I am not crazy about him. I am just stirring some trouble with you. >;P
Ah cool, I will try the same later when I think of something :ninja:
Jinbei WILL join, up to Fishman Island, then it's anyone's game.
I'm not sure what will happen next, but I think Hancock will join permanently, and a friend of Jinbei, who could possibly be a descendant of Fisher Tiger, could join. Being how Jinbei admired him, you never know.
I dont know, but IMO that could be a pretty acceptable outcome, though I wanted Crocodile to join, I don't think Oda will grant that wish.
Such a thing would be about Jinbei, though. Luffy's reaction could still be Luffy.
Well, first things first I don't think he'd join before the grieving process was over. But, in the situation you describe (as mentioned above), I'd see it as just a few lines from Jinbei that he prompted himself, followed by a Luffy-esque reaction (maybe similar to Water 7 when he forced himself to smile, and say everything was fine, etc).
Or it could… not be written that way. That would work too.
I've said this before (you joined). A bad fanfic to argue against something happening is a very bad argument. It only has to be different to make the point moot.
Well then I feel this isn't really a difference of opinion but a difference in our perception of characters (Jimbei and Luffy). As long as that remain, we can't reach a conclusion.
To resolve this, I suggest this, my mega-ultra-AGOG-like-huge perception of Jimbei's character.
[HIDE]Just kidding, I couldn't write that much in a million years.[/HIDE]
It seems to me like you're making up a problem when there isn't one….I don't see any reason why Jimbei would constantly bring up Ace especially since he knows that it will most likely irritate Luffy. Jimbei is not the kind of person who is going to grieve very openly either, he will most likely grieve, but just in his own head and act as if nothing is going wrong.
To me your main point seems like a non issue (No offense).
You think so too?? It seems like by popular opinion I am losing here. Sigh Well I will just shut up then, and I really thought I was on to something too…
Doesn't really work with the timeframe imo, but if Oda really wants to keep him in the story then it'll have to be something like this ofcourse. But he already "sacrificed" himself twice now, regardless of whether you like him or not it's gonna be a bit rediculous if he just comes back to do it all over again..
He is gonna come back~ And along with Zombie Ace they will be the ones to take all over the OP world. :ninja:
Ah thx for making my arguments for me :)
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C'mon! That was horrible.
Say Magellan poisons him then orders for him to be locked up. Would it be strange if the guards taking him to a cell, run into the BB pirates on the way? You never know what could happen… The BB pirates are pretty bizarre. Doc Q could decide to cure him because it's 'his fate'.:ninja:
Ah cool, I will try the same later when I think of something :ninja:
Glad I am inspiring people. :ninja:
What topic are you going to use to try and draw her out?
I will start a thread titled "Give newer members a day to act as mods so the Mods realize whats it like on the other side" :ninja:
@Zik:
They should stand and out and that's why some ppl see it as his shtick in a completely unfunny form. I think I've told you before but we already get it Jinbei's honorable and willing to die for the ppl he's indebted to. Two times was enough. You act like we haven't gone over this before or like anything you're saying is new to me.
Jinbei Facepalm
It's like… it's like you are talking to yourself here. Not only was the portion you quoted all new, but the last sentence states quite clearly that we had gone over this before, so instead of doing it again I quoted myself for reference, which is the exact opposite of "acting like we haven't gone over this". All the while you repea yourself… which is... contradictory to your facepalm image. Oh, and thanks for reiterating my point in the first portion of the first sentence, but disregarding the point altogether for the latter half of it.
@Zik:
The difference is Jinbei's
relationshipsacrifice iswithfor (basically) theWB pirateswhole world, not the SHs. When he says he'll die for them and it stands out every time it's hard for ppl to see him switching that loyalty. The difference is who he's putting the line on for. At this point everybody knows they're dead. It doesn't matter why Jinbei was putting his life on the line /snipped.
So, apparently it's not about the resolve to risk your own life, but the resolve to risk your life for another member of your crew? Hahaha.
@Zik:
Dude gave up his freedom by refusing to go to war, then officially gave up his title, and between that time stressed
severala few times he'd give up his life if this situation could be averted. That's why I said I wondered why he even became a shichibukai.
Right, I wonder myself, but that was why I said a lack of evidence is not a basis for argumentation. In fact, it begs the question, why did he join them? I'm sure there's a story to tell there, just like there is with Fisher Tiger, and Arlong, and the Sunny Pirates disbanding and/or splitting into smaller groups.
@Zik:
I was joking around here. I haven't forgot
you'reI'm incapable oftelling when I'mmaking a joke.
For the record. Idiom. Means to display information for public knowledge. I guess my only fault is forgetting that every human in existence knows that Sentoumaru was designed after Kintaro. Oh, and forgetting that you take everything personally.
I will start a thread titled "Give newer members a day to act as mods so the Mods realize whats it like on the other side"
I… I wasn't born a mod...
I…I wasn't born a mod...
Trust me it will be nothing like the old days if mod authority is given to the NEWER members :ninja:
I will just quote myself here: "Even if (Luffy) succeeded in saving Ace in the end it took away 10 Years of his life, two burst of Vigor hormones and the complete support of WB and his allies. Then Ace died protecting Luffy!!" Why you would ignore the rest of the same post is beyond me…
It's not that I ignored it, but that I figured my point would get across without addressing it. For example, in your own quote you allow the possibility that Luffy succeeds in saving Ace, then make the case that even if he succeeded he would still need to learn his lesson. Therefore, Ace's death doesn't need to play a part in focusing on Luffy's lack of power. Your own words make my point. So, once again, if Jinbei shared in one aspect of Luffy's technical "loss", nothing would change the fact that Luffy failed not once, not twice, but three times in a row prior to Ace's death.
You're both horrible horrible people, everyone should be as lucky as to know a transvestite that died for our sins.
Ace found time in his busy schedule of angst & whining for some crossdressin'?
You think so too?? It seems like by popular opinion I am losing here. Sigh Well I will just shut up then, and I really thought I was on to something too…
Hey, you're reasonable! I know someone who could learn from you. :ninja:
All the cool kids use backhands.
Drills are for babies.
Sounds like jealousy.
Ace found time in his busy schedule of angst & whining for some crossdressin'?
You missed the slippers?
Ace found time in his busy schedule of angst & whining for some crossdressin'?
Well if you're gonna sing a westlife medley you pretty much have to wear a dress.
The dominant traits that Ace picked from Roger were his incredible flair for kareoke showmanship.
It's like… it's like you are talking to yourself here. Not only was the portion you quoted all new, but the last sentence states quite clearly that we had gone over this before, so instead of doing it again I quoted myself for reference, which is the exact opposite of "acting like we haven't gone over this". All the while you repea yourself… which is... contradictory to your facepalm image. Oh, and thanks for reiterating my point in the first portion of the first sentence, but disregarding the point altogether for the latter half of it.
The image goes along with the last 2 sentences. I've stopped bothering reading most of your essays in tags which contains the same shit I don't agree with.
So, apparently it's not about the resolve to risk your own life, but the resolve to risk your life for another member of your crew? Hahaha.
I'm not arguing whether or not Jinbei has what it takes to be a pirate or if he fits Luffy's definition of a pirate a.k.a smh lol you lack inferring skills.
Right, I wonder myself, but that was why I said a lack of evidence is not a basis for argumentation. In fact, it begs the question, why did he join them? I'm sure there's a story to tell there, just like there is with Fisher Tiger, and Arlong, and the Sunny Pirates disbanding and/or splitting into smaller groups.
So we both wonder about why he bothered becoming a shichibukai, okay.
You are aware that "several" means more than twice and not seven times right?
For the record. Idiom. Means to display information for public knowledge. I guess my only fault is forgetting that every human in existence knows that Sentoumaru was designed after Kintaro. Oh, and forgetting that you take everything personally.
What's taken personal. It was a joke which you failed to detect again.
It's not that I ignored it, but that I figured my point would get across without addressing it. For example, in your own quote you allow the possibility that Luffy succeeds in saving Ace, then make the case that even if he succeeded he would still need to learn his lesson. Therefore, Ace's death doesn't need to play a part in focusing on Luffy's lack of power. Your own words make my point. So, once again, if Jinbei shared in one aspect of Luffy's technical "loss", nothing would change the fact that Luffy failed not once, not twice, but three times in a row prior to Ace's death.
Wait, are you suggesting that Luffy's prior failures had as much a traumatization effect as Ace's death?
And BTW
You think so too?? It seems like by popular opinion I am losing here. Sigh Well I will just shut up then, and I really thought I was on to something too…
Hey, you're reasonable! I know someone who could learn from you. :ninja:
Well you need to know when to shut up, its not JUST me who comes here to have a good time…
Sounds like jealousy.
Sounds like someone is deflecting because he's not able to use the Five across the eyes technique.
You missed the slippers?
I always thought he was going for bohemian.
Well if you're gonna sing a westlife medley you pretty much have to wear a dress.
The dominant traits that Ace picked from Roger were his incredible flair for kareoke showmanship.
Ah, so the angst came from people saying he was just a carbon copy of his father who hadn't developed his own karoke style.
It's all coming to light now.
Sounds like someone is deflecting because he's not able to use the Five across the eyes technique.
Drill hands… power must be wielded responsibly, you see.
I always thought he was going for bohemian.
You're both horrible horrible people, everyone should be as lucky as to know a transvestite that died for our sins.
I am too lazy to go and find a picture of something flipping you off. :C I like Bon-chan. He is just not in my top faves. He on the other hand hates him! points at wintergt :ninja:
Wait. Wasn't that Ace?
I wonder if Ace is in heaven or in hell…
Drill hands… power must be wielded responsibly, you see.
You see, here's your problem.
Drills may initially give you great power, however this soon plateaus off.
Where as the Backhand has almost unlimited possibilities, as the great sage Maddox himself has written.
I wonder if Ace is in heaven or in hell…
Purgatory, he was too depressing for hell.
@Zik:
The image goes along with the last 2 sentences. I've stopped bothering reading most of your essays in tags which contains the same shit I don't agree with.
smh @ your continued responses that disagree with you. lol.
@Zik:
I'm not arguing whether or not Jinbei has what it takes to be a pirate or if he fits Luffy's definition of a pirate.
You lack inferring skills.
@Zik:
So we both wonder about why he bothered becoming a shichibukai, okay.
Yeah, fancy that. Hey, Oda should make a flashback about it or something…
@Zik:
You are aware that "several" means more than twice and not seven times right?
few: not many but more than one.
several: more than two but less than many.
It's about connotation and bias, not literal amount. Oh how I love semantics.
@Zik:
What's taken personal. It was a joke which you failed to detect again.
Or, like "for the record" suggests, I was stating it for the record just in case people were genuinely curious. Fun fact: I knew you would respond exactly how you did, which is why I borrowed Ivotas' favorite youtube clip while you were writing your essay.
Ah, so the angst came from people saying he was just a carbon copy of his father who hadn't developed his own karoke style.
It's all coming to light now.
Nah that comes from the time he was caught using autotune haki.
"Roger" and "father" are just slang words for karoke and cheating.
I am too lazy to go and find a picture of something flipping you off. :C I like Bon-chan. He is just not in my top faves. He on the other hand hates him! points at wintergt :ninja:
Well that doesnt matter because you of all people should know better.
For shame missy Chrissy.
Wait. Wasn't that Ace?
Nope i refuse to be in debt to that skirtwearing drama queen, he butched my favorite Savage Garden song.
Wait, are you suggesting that Luffy's prior failures had as much a traumatization effect as Ace's death?
Does it have to be one or the other? I'm merely suggesting that even you apparently concede that had Ace not died, Luffy would still have some serious hard learned lessons behind him, and he would have to do something about it. Ergo Ace's death can be factored out of the whole "he needs to learn his lesson" argument, which, I believe, was your foundation, no?
Where as the Backhand has almost unlimited possibilities, as the great sage Maddox himself has written.
Can I mediate here?
Urouge: +2
Darkstorm: +∞
Purgatory, he was too depressing for hell.
Ace can create his own version of hell. He has both the heat and the ability to make everyone around him suffer.
smh @ your continued responses that disagree with you. lol.
You lack inferring skills.
Lawls. That's rich coming from you with irony to boot.
few: not many but more than one.
several: more than two but less than many.It's about connotation and bias, not literal amount. Oh how I love semantics.
So you cross out several to put a few because of connotation and alleged bias after saying it's not about literal amount i.e the words are interchangeable anyway. Glad that's clear.
Or, like "for the record" suggests, I was stating it for the record just in case people were genuinely curious. Fun fact: I knew you would respond exactly how you did, which is why I borrowed Ivotas' favorite youtube clip while you were writing your essay.
Yes the precious record.
Yeah I saw the clip, I got it. I don't need to do that when I talk about Jinbei in this thread cuz I already know you're going to read it and respond but hey you must love me. Any time you want to repeat yourself brennen, any time.