…and with all this talk of Hattori being a CP9 member, could he possibly be a person who ate a Tori Tori Fruit, Model: Pigeon, as opposed to some other kind of Devil Fruit?
Just a thought.
…and with all this talk of Hattori being a CP9 member, could he possibly be a person who ate a Tori Tori Fruit, Model: Pigeon, as opposed to some other kind of Devil Fruit?
Just a thought.
I think Pell said that there were only 5 Tori Tori Fruits in existence. But I wonder how he'd know that…
Precisely my point. Alabastia and Sakura were, and currently are, members of the World Government; it's only understandable that the monarchs of such powerful nations would recieve such information disclosed by the government itself. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the WG hunted down the particular devil fruits for Pell and Chaka…I mean, what are the chances of a Jackal (Anubis) and a Falcon (Horus) Devil Fruit not only appearing in Alabastia, but being eaten by the two military commanders?
I mean, what are the chances of a Jackal (Anubis) and a Falcon (Horus) Devil Fruit not only appearing in Alabastia, but being eaten by the two military commanders?
Pretty good actually. Those two creatures are the Guardian Spirits of Alabasta, likely because those two Devil Fruits grow there.
For all we know, Pell was chosen for his position simply because he ate the Tori Tori Fruit.
the fruits only grow from one tree… or at least in only one place. pell and chaka having eaten those two fruits is one of those "manga coincidences" that you just have to accept.
my guesses on the other four.
tori tori no mi, model ostrich
tori tori no mi, model kiwi
tori tori no mi, model penguin
tori tori no mi, model fried chicken
ooshi78
model kiwi should be funny:
i'm the mighty warrior who ate the tori tori no mi, model kiwi. with it's incredible powers i can become a really tiny bird that can't fly. but i have a cool beak.
and of course luffy could always mistake the bird with the fruit and try to eat the mighty warrior
my guesses:
tori tori no mi, model pidgeon (da pimp!)
tori tori no mi, model ostrich (nice idea ooshi)
tori tori no mi, model penguim
tori tori no mi, model condor
We already have Kiwi .__.
I vote for penguin :D
ocean likes penguins. xD~
I would want a flamingo instead of a kiwi, lol. (I luff flamingoes)
lol ocean… i was close to asking who ate the Kiwi fruit ;)
I'm hoping for an albatross. A penguin fruit would be kinda pointless though.
Falcon (Pell)
Hawk
Albatros
Southbird (can control all the other animals and bugs :))
Hummingbird (they're that bird that can fly backwards right? should be cool)
lol… if the southbird DF obliged his user to always look south it would be hilarious
Penguin… can go into water... and pretend to be innocent and be evil~.
Wait, this is getting similar to other topic... :x
penguin goes in water and loses power, drowns.
ooshi78
Erm, how about a Dodo?
I think an owl would be cool.
Penguin would be… interesting.
And I totally agree that a hummingbird would be amazingly cool.
Only in sea water… Though I don't know if penguins can survive in normal water xD; It'd be cool if Pen Pen no Mi is the only fruit that can survive in water.
Yeah, I like hummingbird idea. Dodo... ... I have stereo type of Dodo being slow and lazy ^^; I don't know where I got that idea from.
Dodo… ... I have stereo type of Dodo being slow and lazy ^^; I don't know where I got that idea from.
Well thanks to the Warner Brother cartoons I have the stereo type that Dodo´s are being fast and crazy.
Specifically, I think it was said that there's 5 other devil fruits that enable people to fly. Whether or not they're bird fruits is yet to be determined.
I'm pretty sure Smoker can fly then. It sure looked that way when he was chasing Luffy.
@Janken:
I'm pretty sure Smoker can fly then. It sure looked that way when he was chasing Luffy.
By that theory we would have seen almost all of them. Enel and Ace seem to be able to use their DF powers to move in air for a certain amount of time. Maybe even Crocodile. :closedeye
The only one of them that can possible fly must be Ener in that case. He can like, float on the clouds or something. XD
I don't think Hattori will be a DF user. In that case, who will fight him? Maybe Paulie, but that's like the only option I can think of.
Maybe the five discludes Logia users, who all seem to be able to achieve some sort of flight. (For Aokiji, think Iceman)
By that theory we would have seen almost all of them. Enel and Ace seem to be able to use their DF powers to move in air for a certain amount of time. Maybe even Crocodile. :closedeye
Pardon me but, even Luffy can move in air for a certain amount of time. Gomu Gomu Rocketto! What I think is that Logia users cannot "fly". They can only "float", and it is rather limited too. Eventually they will come down, because they can't really give themselves lift in the air. It's just that their particles are spread out and thus are much lighter in the air.
I recall when Ace destroyed the baroque work ships, he jumped in the air, destroyed them ships, and floated back onto his boat thing. I really don't think logia users can fly.
Eneru also didn't fly. The closest airborne-ness we've seen is when he sits on the cloud emitted from the dial. Other times he got to a high ground, he actually used a medium to conduct himself there. This is what I think.
Pardon me but, even Luffy can move in air for a certain amount of time. Gomu Gomu Rocketto! What I think is that Logia users cannot "fly". They can only "float", and it is rather limited too. Eventually they will come down, because they can't really give themselves lift in the air. It's just that their particles are spread out and thus are much lighter in the air.
But Luffy requires something solid to grab in order that he can change directions in the air. And I think Ace, Enel and Crocodile can use their DF powers to boost up and change directions in the air without needing something solid. If Smoker´s powers allow him to do that, I don´t see much reason why Ace´s and Enel´s fruits couldn´t do that. On Crocodile I´m still not so sure though.
But Luffy requires something solid to grab in order that he can change directions in the air. And I think Ace, Enel and Crocodile can use their DF powers to boost up and change directions in the air without needing something solid. If Smoker´s powers allow him to do that, I don´t see much reason why Ace´s and Enel´s fruits couldn´t do that. On Crocodile I´m still not so sure though.
Ace needs to push off from the ground for his lift, and even so, he didn't truly fly. Enel can't really. He couldn't fly. Just conducting himself through a medium to move fast… Smoker.. I don't really think even he flew. Sure, he went up really high and stuff, but he was still ultimately touching the ground with the bottom part of his smokey self? Even if he did leave solid ground, take it as a jump, ya? Crocodile's is most improbable. His Logia fruit is... solid. Sand. Okay, I shall try to draw an example.
Say those antigravity cars we see in futuristic animations, they have no wheels and float around, but they can't really fly. This is the impression I get from the Logia fruit powers. They're sort of like that. Hope I can draw that picture clearly to ya. Obviously being elements (and not living beings with muscles) and being able to move around as elements can't really be explained by current scientific knowledge, so even debating the idea of movement in those forms would be the same as debating the idea of flight in those forms.
My explanation: The logia power(s) allow(s) the user(s) to convert his body tissue, muscle and all, to and fro, to his element, at his will. Sand, electric, fire muscles serve the same function to sand, electric and fire bodies which normal muscles do to normal bodies. Even if they're not muscles, it's some form of oddity that the user has control over which can propel himself. Other modes of movement would be from the element's properties itself, ie, the conducting of eletricity, the weight of sand and ice (lighter and heavier), etc. The elemental limbs cannot be seen because they take a different form, eg. a leg and a wheel, and this is something different. I hope I made myself clear.
I like trying to explain fantasy physics, but I do think we're all just overreading alot here. XD
The only one of them that can possible fly must be Ener in that case. He can like, float on the clouds or something. XD
I don't think Hattori will be a DF user. In that case, who will fight him? Maybe Paulie, but that's like the only option I can think of.
Luffy, obviously. He'd try to eat Hattori. =D
Ace needs to push off from the ground for his lift, and even so, he didn't truly fly. Enel can't really. He couldn't fly. Just conducting himself through a medium to move fast… Smoker.. I don't really think even he flew. Sure, he went up really high and stuff, but he was still ultimately touching the ground with the bottom part of his smokey self? Even if he did leave solid ground, take it as a jump, ya? Crocodile's is most improbable. His Logia fruit is... solid. Sand. Okay, I shall try to draw an example.
I´m not talking of what they did in the manga but of what should be possible with their DF powers. Ace and Smoker I see to be able to use their power to boost them up like jet´s do it. Enel actually to though it would be smoke and fire that push him up but the power of lighting.
And Crocodile has the power to create sandstorms. I don´t see why he shouldn´t be able to transform his lower body to a small sandstorm part that lifts him up like a propeler lifts up a helicopter.
I´m not talking of what they did in the manga but of what should be possible with their DF powers. Ace and Smoker I see to be able to use their power to boost them up like jet´s do it. Enel actually to though it would be smoke and fire that push him up but the power of lighting.
And Crocodile has the power to create sandstorms. I don´t see why he shouldn´t be able to transform his lower body to a small sandstorm part that lifts him up like a propeler lifts up a helicopter.
If that's the case.. Geppou of the Rokushiki would be considered flight, ne?
Yeah, but if these were considered flight, then Pell+Enel+Ace+Smoker+Crocodile already equals to 5. Surely there're more Tori Tori models?
If that's the case.. Geppou of the Rokushiki would be considered flight, ne?
Were talking about Defil Fruit powers here.
Yeah, but if these were considered flight, then Pell+Enel+Ace+Smoker+Crocodile already equals to 5. Surely there're more Tori Tori models?
I just brought Enel, Ace and Crocodile in as a counter argument for when Smoker got mentioned in that context. I actually wanted to say that it can´t be Smoker because if he take him, then we could also take the other three and then we would have all the five already. Maybe I should have used a better argument to counter that theory then to bring in all those names because they apparently caused more confusion. Well then here´s the easier counter argument:
Peruh, speaks about Zoan type Devil Fruits when he made his comments. Logia users are excluded. Actually the sole title of this thread mentioned that already.
Were talking about Defil Fruit powers here.
Yeah, that I know. I meant that every little thing like that should not be considered flight, and brought that in as comparison.@Ivotas:
I just brought Enel, Ace and Crocodile in as a counter argument for when Smoker got mentioned in that context. I actually wanted to say that it can´t be Smoker because if he take him, then we could also take the other three and then we would have all the five already.
Why then we are in agreement! XD
Why then we are in agreement! XD
We sure are. I think the whole confusion in our discussion was when I wanted to point out the difference in how Ace/Enel/Crocodile/Smoker would change directions in the air and how Luffy does it. :biggrin:
BW: Pell…?!!
Was that "PELL THE FALCON"...?!!
The strongest warrior in all of Alabasta...!!!
The "Toritori fruit", model "Falcon".
One of the only five types of "Flying Powers" ever discovered...
I don't know where you get this Zoan stuff from.
A golden eagle version would be….pure awesome.
Or an owl.BIG SPECTACLES!
ocean likes penguins. xD~
I would want a flamingo instead of a kiwi, lol. (I luff flamingoes)
Didn't see this before, but, flamingo? I support you!!! XD
you guys have to set what is flying and what is going really high and work has flying.
most logias can simulate flying. but they all have weakness, while Aokiji could pull a IceMan it's not flying. Croc can be a sandstorm but that's hardly flying also (though should be a awesome counter against flying oponents) and it also won't allow him to fly over water. Now Ace i think it's different, we don't know how his DF behaves but personally from me it's the most powerfull see this: while other Logias are made of a element, Ace's power is pure energy. He consumes elements, so i think that HE could fly. Smoker also might be able to float, since he is made of smoke he should be able to perform a wind walk, but not actually flying, and of course maybe do a smoked iceman.
sooo, i think that actual flying will be in charge of the flying zoans AND maybe Ace. The others can reach the sky and do something but in that territory they would be in great tatical disavantage to real flyers like Pell.
@Cap'n:
I don't know where you get this Zoan stuff from.
Personal interpretation. If they say "Tori (which means bird) Tori Fruit, model Falcon" then I understand it as that there is five different Tori Tori fruits. Otherwise the fruit could have been the "Falcon Falcon Fruit" (sorry but I don´t know what falcon means in japanese).
And since it is specifically mentioned that the falcon type is one model of a Bird DF, I understand it that the other four are also bird DF´s. And that would be Zoan types. It makes plausible sense to me.
I know that the quote you mentioned doesn´t use the term Zoan type, but we keep it on that level, then I can say that the same quote never mentions anything about the five types of flying covers being Devil Fruits.
4 other bird types i wanna see:
Turkey (Luffy's dying to roast this guy)
Crow
Parrot
Dodo(I know they're extinct, but who knows, it is ODA after all)
Dodo(I know they're extinct, but who knows, it is ODA after all)
And it´s not the real world to begin with.
i just hope the Dodo fruit is a kung-fu fighter like those in IceAge animation
I know that the fact that they are birds is Ivotas's reason why they are Zoan, but i still want to see a bat who does a lame vampire impression.
I mean, what are the chances of a Jackal (Anubis) and a Falcon (Horus) Devil Fruit not only appearing in Alabastia, but being eaten by the two military commanders?
Pretty good considering this is a comic book.
Perhaps Zoan could include mythical creatures. Like Dragons(ryu ryu fruit) and Phoenixs maybe. They fly too.
Perhaps there is cycle with the types of fruits too. I don't know if anyone mentioned this but here goes.
For example Paramecia succumbs to Logia (Luffy and Robin are both defeated by Aokiji), Zoan falls against Paramecia (Pell is defeated by Robin) and Logia falls to Zoan. Of course it sounds pretty far fetched, but its a guess.
For example Paramecia succumbs to Logia (Luffy and Robin are both defeated by Aokiji), Zoan falls against Paramecia (Pell is defeated by Robin) and Logia falls to Zoan. Of course it sounds pretty far fetched, but its a guess.
Remember, though, Chaka fights Crocodile, and loses… And Luffy has defeated two Logia users.
Maybe it depends upon the abilities given by the fruit... Maybe some are destined to cancel the others out, like the Rubber VS. Lightning matchup.
@SuNa:
Remember, though, Chaka fights Crocodile, and loses… And Luffy has defeated two Logia users.
Maybe it depends upon the abilities given by the fruit... Maybe some are destined to cancel the others out, like the Rubber VS. Lightning matchup.
Oh yeh, didn't remember that. Plus Luffy seems to win with willpower 60-70% of the time.
dragon is not a bird… ryuryu no mi doesn't fit... as the other names all use just four letters. doradora would work...
pheonix is a bird and would be pretty cool as a power. 鳳凰... houhou no mi? ouou no mi? doesn't have a ring to it though... i guess it would be tori tori no mi: model pheonix.
tori tori no mi: model toriyama akira...
ooshi78
Perhaps there is cycle with the types of fruits too. I don't know if anyone mentioned this but here goes.
For example Paramecia succumbs to Logia (Luffy and Robin are both defeated by Aokiji), Zoan falls against Paramecia (Pell is defeated by Robin) and Logia falls to Zoan. Of course it sounds pretty far fetched, but its a guess.
Logia Fruits are nigh invulnerable as far as Zoan types as go; physical attacks are all but useless against them. Luffy was successful against Ener because his particular Paramecia Fruit nullified Ener's ability to shift shapes to avoid blows, Crocodile had a similar problem with water. Aokiji and Smoker, on the other hand, have blown off any attempts to hit them.
On that note, I wouldn't be surprised if certain Devil Fruits don't have opposites that essentially cancel out their effects. Daz Bones isn't going to have much success against Buggy for instance. The hierarchy is pretty clear though, Logia Fruits are the most powerful.
On that note, I wouldn't be surprised if certain Devil Fruits don't have opposites that essentially cancel out their effects. Daz Bones isn't going to have much success against Buggy for instance. The hierarchy is pretty clear though, Logia Fruits are the most powerful.
Daz would probably just throw a building on Buggy or something. Batter him with pavement. Even Zoro could beat Buggy now, with all the brute strength he has, combined with the swordless style Mutoryu.
Every Logia fruit has to have a weakness somehow though. You mentioned Aokogi and Smoker being able to blow off any blows to them. Yet, Smoker would fall to Aokogi quite easily I believe, and Aokogi would probably lose to Ace…or at least find Ice's weakness in Fire.
What I'm interested in is seeing how Luffy manipulates these weaknesses (although I find it more likely that he'll work with Smoker in the future then fight him.)
Anyway, on topic, those other fruits would more then likely HAVE to be Zoan types. I'm particuarly interested in the idea of a Ryu Ryu Fruit :laugh:
Wasnt it Robin who said that there are only 6 discovered bird fruits?.. Well, whatever.
I have a little theory, you know Lafitte? I think he has a bird fruit. becasue he just suddenly appeard there without anyone noticing, and he has at window. And he sorta looks like Vulture..
Daz would probably just throw a building on Buggy or something. Batter him with pavement.
I was referring to his powers; the Supa Supa Fruit won't work on Buggy.
Even Zoro could beat Buggy now, with all the brute strength he has, combined with the swordless style Mutoryu.
Well, yeah, but the point was that Buggy is invulnerable to being cut, but can be harmed by hitting him. He's the other side of the coin from Luffy.
Every Logia fruit has to have a weakness somehow though.
They do, the same as every Devil Fruit. Some of the Logia Fruits are weak against certain elements, but not all of them will necessarily have a secondary weakness.
Yet, Smoker would fall to Aokogi quite easily I believe
How exactly does that work? Would he freeze the smoke?
and Aokogi would probably lose to Ace…or at least find Ice's weakness in Fire.
I'm inclined to think that Aokiji vs Ace would be a draw; Ace could keep melting his attacks, but the water would put a bit of a damper on Ace's Mera Mera power and give Aokiji a chance to freeze again.
The main threat to Aokiji is probably Crocodile, who could simply dry him up.
Anyway, on topic, those other fruits would more then likely HAVE to be Zoan types. I'm particuarly interested in the idea of a Ryu Ryu Fruit :laugh:
Knowing Oda's knack for weirdness, I'd be surprised if only Zoan types can fly. There's probably a few Devil Fruits out there that allow the user to fly without wings; or at the very least glide like Miss Valentine.