i think i might be the only one that hates that character and not love to hate i just flat out dont like him as a villain a friend and enemy i just dont like him and i dont know why others do?
why do u like him ivo? for curiosity sake
i think i might be the only one that hates that character and not love to hate i just flat out dont like him as a villain a friend and enemy i just dont like him and i dont know why others do?
why do u like him ivo? for curiosity sake
It's really nothing more than a matter of taste. Explaining what I find appealing to him strikes me as a bit pointless since it isn't based on any deep elaboration on his personality or such but really just his charm. That in mind, do you really want me to explain why I like him?^^
Yo, I'm back… I got a little bored here, so I didn't feel like responding.
@RobbyBevard:
WHY JINBEI CANNOT JOIN THE CREW!!:
To be honest, my Jinbei overview is rather deep… this is like a little sample from the surface. When I type stuff like the really deep stuff, people can't seem to accept it. So, I basically just stress samples from the surface until someone says "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed so that people follow along. Then it gets to the deep stuff. In order to really convince you that Jinbei can't join though, this part basically relies on literal reads and judging his character. I can seriously go deep on this, but I will go "step by step" just to basically have people follow along.
Now, the idea that Jinbei is a bad person, I don't agree. He has never "killed" anyone in front of our eyes. He hasn't even been there to basically harm anyone since he was in jail. As well as the idea that his lack of DF doesn't really harm anyone. He basically doesn't seem like he wants to hurt anyone and seems to fear taking someone's life. As he didn't comply with Crocodile. So, if he seems so bent on non-violence, it doesn't suggest he is evil at heart.
BUT, Jimbei is too wide to fit through the doors, given that, it's hard to imagine that Oda would make a mistake that badly in an effort to basically leave a plot hole for Jimbei to join. He'd basically have to cover it up to redo the ship, which seems way too absurd. If he planned for Jimbei to join, he would have made the Sunny bigger or the man able to fit it. So, it throws off him joining... The ship is basically Franky's dream, so basically upgraded it for a bigger one is not feasible. I am so against Oda being that wrong on it.
Yes, I know that Jinbei is not taller, he is "3" Luffy's in width. The doorways are "1 Luffy and 1 Usopp" in width.
Usopp = Luffy just about...
So, 3 ≠ 2 Luffy.
Therefore, since it can only be a "Luffy and a Usopp" that can fit at once through a door according to the manga example, it shows that a "3" Luffy seems like it will break it. Then, "make it all wider" is something that seems so absurd because it's a plot hole and in addition you would have to increase every room for "2" Luffy to "3.1" Luffy... Of course, this has a side effect that Chopper will have a hard time in half form and that'll probably lead to someone dying even... All because Chopper couldn't open a door fast enough. Of course, that is before the problems with the layouts that the sunny already has and all the current stuff seems like Franky is better off to just get a new ship than bother.
Having to increase every door will lead to a completely redone ship.... IN other words, Oda will have to say that he made a plot hole present. So, if Oda wanted a character like Jimbei to join, in order to avoid a plot hole, he might have made the ship fit him or the character fit in. I can go into details why other things suggest he doesn't join, but this one is more "functional". You can just say "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed.
I wrote this… It's my other username that basically had this done.
So yeah, thanks for reposting it here... I was wondering where it went. There was an actual analysis of EVERY door and how it relates, you can check that one out too...
Yeah, it says "Jimbei is too big to fit through the door" and it comes from OMF.
I'll put this simply this way:
There is no way a Shichibukai will join; BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE!
The trouble with regarding the "it hasn't happened before" rule is Oda's abused it in the past to surprise us. Robin comes to mind, first villain to join the crew. Heck, who knew Robin would join? I know I didn't the first time I saw the Alabasta arc.
So I simply cannot accept the "it hasn't happened before" argument as a reason for something not happening. Lets look at OP:
-No one has stormed Enies Lobby
-No one has led a mass break out at ID
-No one has put enough of a fight against the WG
-No one succeeded in getting the Shardians land back.And the list goes on.
The storyline constantly says "No one has… But we just did..." So I cannot accept this as an excuse for a Shichibukai to join. The shichibukai in my opinion, are on Robin's level. If you take Moria, lost his crew in the NW, Robin lost her "family" at Ohara. The only difference between THEM and Luffy's crew in fact is 1)their attitude and 2)their alliance 3)their actions. And most importantly, these guys are still trying to be their own masters as it were.
Jinbei isn't past accepting help, he admits he needs WB alive, so this alone means he isn't his own master. The fact he is trying to save WB indicates he needs WB to be alive, something the other Shichibukai don't care about really, they want to do their own thing. Jinbei isn't his "own master" as it were and isn't independant. So out of all of the Shichibukai, at the very least he does have some conditions to joining, so depite what you guys are saying, I'm not about to be swayed away from him as a possibility.
This is a manga where anything can happen. In the end I might put this down to this; Jinbei will need a replacement for WB if WB dies... Only two canidates I see fit the role, Luffy being the obivous as he is trying to get to the Pirate top plus is willing to 'care' for others and Dragon (being a revolutionary) the second because he might not turn down the oppotunity for an alliance with FI. Obiviously there is no indicatin the latter is showing his face any time soon, let alone going to happen. If Jinbei joined or not, either way, if he felt Luffy had the best chance he'd support him in one shape or form to protect his people.
I myself still maintain as I did many posts back Jinbei might be another Vivi so thats where I stand, but I can't really accept the "it won't happen" argument. That much, I am not reading OP for. I'm reading OP because what isn't suppose to happen in their world, happens. I love the plot twists and turns. So on the grounds of it hasn't happened before, I won't accept that as a reason for him not joining, I'll accept all the others, but not this reason.
I don't know why I quoted this, but whatever… Oda's story plot is easy to understand... You'd laugh if you tried to look at it from a dramatic structure layout. It matches perfectly, it's too funny!!
@Robby: I don't understand. If you say Heavy point can't fit through a door, then how can Franky himself? Their build seems similar.
But, otherwise, that is an amazing theory.
That's my theory, and what I said was that "Jimbei" was wider than Franky and Chopper… who can fit through doors.
Helped, you're post didnt do. My young Padawan.
Lol about the captain isue.
Luffy = Captain
Usopp = Ex-Captain of the Ussopp pirates
Robin = a ex vice president of the Criminal Organisation: Baroque Works
Franky = a ex boss of an Underground Organisation: Franky Familly + being called the boss of the Underworld of Water 7
Brook = was called the second captain of the Rumba Pirates.
Sanji = Head chef, I think he was. Well he was just under ZeffZoro bit difficult. He also could be a boss, of his own.
Chopper was never a boss or something
Nami same as above. Unless you give her a high function in the Crew of Arlong.Then we have Vivi who were a princess of a country (you like it or not she was a SH)
So the next nakama which everyone thinks are
- Jimbei
- Hancock
- Crocodile
All three of them being Ex Schichibukai (still thinking that Hancock is going to lose her status)
Crocodile was a former boss of Baroque Works. But only when he has a deep past which means he was transformed into a guy. Being a girl formally and maybe be turned into a girl for entering crew. He joins.
He can't join if he is a male.
Jimbei
Being more a nakama figure right now. Willing to give up his life. Being an ex captain of a crew. Yes he can join.
If not, we get a Fishman who is close with Jimbei and has connection with our great friend Fisher Tiger.Hancock
Says enought, Pirate Empress and Snake Princess of an Nation. Has lower chances then Jimbei. But still a chance.
And yes, Perona also has a chance xD.
And err Robby about Jimbei not fitting into doors… lol, Franky just says, oh great we get an oversized SUPAAAAH fishman in the crew which can't go in the doors. I think I have to make the ship greater.And after his adventure in Vegapunks lab. Who says he isn't planning to improve the ship?
His dream is to get his dreamship to Raftel = end of GL. But the ship has to be coated. Why can Franky say. I gonna improve this ship a bit?I think he also made an extra room for Brook when he joined?
Dude…. Perona has more of a chance than any known character.
I thought the new Robby's post was pretty creative/amusing, and that example is so recent that it is on this page even.
If you hate the thread so much, why bother even looking at it? It's legitimate discussion that many people want to talk about. If this thread was locked, which it has no reason to be, the conversation would go to all the other threads and annoy you even more. Then you'd have to pointlessly bitch about it in a bunch of different places.
The Crocodile theory, as stupid as it is (and it is really stupid), and least has a thought process behind it by comparing him to Vegeta. While I think it's still crazy, it's better than anything I've heard for Perona's case (who has legitimate core story issues against her).
Now, I really did want to reply to that post that you offered in response to mine. I very much thought it was a crappy post and it had no basis, however, I didn't respond at that time because I got bored.
I'm just going to tell you that there is NO WAY that the reply you offered even exists to place any emphasis on who joins and who doesn't.
If you want me to explain, do say so…
@robbybedfart:
Nobody pay attention to that hack. Thats an imitator taking advantage of my current… demotion. You can tell Im the original by my join date. Anyway.
The doors on the Sunny are a fair point against Jimbei joining, but they DO have an aquarium below deck he coul stay in. ANd Franky does instant repairs and creates thigns with no trouble, like midair bridges. So I don't think carpentry is anything to hold against Jimbei, especially when he's gonna need a new dream after Whitebeard dies.
Actually, the door to OPEN that thing is also small… Since I made that post, I had basically looked at all the panels of Sunny doors to make that thing be that way.
There's a post after that one that makes some random retard actually see how much bigger the doors are.
The idea that Franky can basically fix it, that's false. He would have to redo the whole ship just to make it work; that's not going to happen... It just shows that Oda didn't want a fat guy in the crew; period.
As for Hancock, I just can't see Oda taking her love for Luffy so lightly for the entire duration of the series, and in a very recent interview he reiterated no romance for Luffy. So obviously to resolve this, after the war they're going to go back to Amazon Lilly and have lots of offscreen loving, at which point Luffy can then go back to his crew (after turning 18.) Hancock will stay behind to raise Luffy's child, who we will see again at the end of the series. However, she will want an amazon on the crew (since we need another girl) so she'll send Marguerite to watch over Luffy.
So clearly. Jimbei and Marguerite will join the crew and Hancock will have Luffy's lovechild, and it'll all work out.
Hmmmmmm….......
That's satire.
Nope. This thread started with Jinbei and it's gonna end with Jinbei, dammit!
Can you make a new one that shows Perona rather than Jinbei?
Usopp's dream is to become a brave warrior. In order to achieve that he struggles valiantly in every arc to face his fears, risk his life and fight. Yet, he was able to risk his life and fight the very first time he appeared in the story. For Perona to be unable to do even that initially, only to turn around and suddenly change makes a total mockery of everything Usopp has worked so hard for to this point.
OK… This point of yours "bravery" is complete BS.
No offense to you, but the whole thing is basically too "Luffy-ified" because it is HIS WORDS out of HIS MOUTH.
You are basically saying that Luffy's words REMOVE individuality, which is the biggest horde of BS in the whole manga.
That is FALSE.
The cowardly stuff, which isn't "stated" at all does allow Perona to join. Why?
It is because you don't know anything about her, you don't know a damn thing about her.
You can label her as a woman that won't fight for her dream and stuff, but I just think that this is a horde of BS because you are assuming that EVERYONE thinks like Luffy does.
That's not true. Nami, Robin, etc. they all have their own views on life and their own opinions about what they do. Luffy has his, and you cannot for the sake of the manga just assume that they are completely uniform. It isn't that way, each character has a completely different personality and they think differently.
Second, the idea that Usopp does all he can for the sake; that's BS. He is a very cowardly person and he only has his moments... By saying that Perona has no moments, that's another BS >_<
You've probably assumed that much, but I strongly disagree and that is because SHE has lived a life that we know very little of... hence, we may be shown a lot more in the future.
Now, I am very much annoyed at your comment; to me, it is a big horde of BS because there's no BASIS under it.
I can expand why that idea is so full of BS in the first place, it just takes words to do that and definitions since someone can't seem to grasp it.
Yo, I'm back… I got a little bored here, so I didn't feel like responding.
I wrote this... It's my other username that basically had this done.
So yeah, thanks for reposting it here... I was wondering where it went. There was an actual analysis of EVERY door and how it relates, you can check that one out too...
Yeah, it says "Jimbei is too big to fit through the door" and it comes from OMF.
I don't know why I quoted this, but whatever... Oda's story plot is easy to understand... You'd laugh if you tried to look at it from a dramatic structure layout. It matches perfectly, it's too funny!!
That's my theory, and what I said was that "Jimbei" was wider than Franky and Chopper... who can fit through doors.
Dude.... Perona has more of a chance than any known character.
Now, I really did want to reply to that post that you offered in response to mine. I very much thought it was a crappy post and it had no basis, however, I didn't respond at that time because I got bored.
I'm just going to tell you that there is NO WAY that the reply you offered even exists to place any emphasis on who joins and who doesn't.
If you want me to explain, do say so...
Actually, the door to OPEN that thing is also small... Since I made that post, I had basically looked at all the panels of Sunny doors to make that thing be that way.
There's a post after that one that makes some random retard actually see how much bigger the doors are.
The idea that Franky can basically fix it, that's false. He would have to redo the whole ship just to make it work; that's not going to happen... It just shows that Oda didn't want a fat guy in the crew; period.
Hmmmmmm..........
That's satire.
Can you make a new one that shows Perona rather than Jinbei?
OK... This point of yours "bravery" is complete BS.
No offense to you, but the whole thing is basically too "Luffy-ified" because it is HIS WORDS out of HIS MOUTH.
You are basically saying that Luffy's words REMOVE individuality, which is the biggest horde of BS in the whole manga.
That is FALSE.
The cowardly stuff, which isn't "stated" at all does allow Perona to join. Why?
It is because you don't know anything about her, you don't know a damn thing about her.
You can label her as a woman that won't fight for her dream and stuff, but I just think that this is a horde of BS because you are assuming that EVERYONE thinks like Luffy does.
That's not true. Nami, Robin, etc. they all have their own views on life and their own opinions about what they do. Luffy has his, and you cannot for the sake of the manga just assume that they are completely uniform. It isn't that way, each character has a completely different personality and they think differently.
Second, the idea that Usopp does all he can for the sake; that's BS. He is a very cowardly person and he only has his moments... By saying that Perona has no moments, that's another BS >_<
You've probably assumed that much, but I strongly disagree and that is because SHE has lived a life that we know very little of... hence, we may be shown a lot more in the future.
Now, I am very much annoyed at your comment; to me, it is a big horde of BS because there's no BASIS under it.
I can expand why that idea is so full of BS in the first place, it just takes words to do that and definitions since someone can't seem to grasp it.
Too much of too big quotes… I couldn't read all of this...
Well I could.. but I can't be bothered too.
Having a half fish an board in the crew feels like Oda being anti-racist...
In some movies this is done.... they add some random guy just so all the people aren't same color... even if that guy doesn't fit at all.
Such as why would a african tribe before the year 1600 have 25% white people ? Southern one..... getting off topic now...
So adding some of the Merfolk feels like that to me.. out of place.
Adding a fishman feels out of place but you're fine with the undead and a talking, morphing reindeer?
Too much of too big quotes… I couldn't read all of this...
Well I could.. but I can't be bothered too.
Having a half fish an board in the crew feels like Oda being anti-racist...
In some movies this is done.... they add some random guy just so all the people aren't same color... even if that guy doesn't fit at all.
Such as why would a african tribe before the year 1600 have 25% white people ? Southern one..... getting off topic now...
So adding some of the Merfolk feels like that to me.. out of place.
Ok.
Why quote me?
Fine, I'll tell you that I agree having a USELESS merfolk is wasteful.
However, a FISHMAN is probable.
BUT, that FISHMAN must fit on the ship…
In fact, I think that Oda will add a fishman because of the stereotype involved.
Ahh maybe it is just cause they are sold and hated on the crew's last island.
The door thing has to be the dumbest thing i've read in a long time. Really the doors? And with a carpenter like Franky? The size of the doors is an absolute non-issue.
The door thing has to be the dumbest thing i've read in a long time. Really the doors? And with a carpenter like Franky? The size of the doors is an absolute non-issue.
Why go through all that trouble to change the doors for Jinbei when Perona can fit through them already? Your argument is just a BS !!
I wrote this… It's my other username that basically had this done.
So yeah, thanks for reposting it here... I was wondering where it went. There was an actual analysis of EVERY door and how it relates, you can check that one out too...
Yeah, it says "Jimbei is too big to fit through the door" and it comes from OMF.
I reposted it because it's such an awesome theory that everyone should subscribe to.
Also, Naruto is the greatest manga of all time which is mostly due to how hot Sasuke is.
How can you be so right all the time!? It boggles the mind. It really does.
I'm still pushing for a tree.
^This tree in particular. Zoro will bring it back with him.
How can you be so right all the time!? It boggles the mind. It really does.
It's because Sasuke is my role model.
I'm still pushing for a tree.
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u343/CaptainHypersock/11-1.jpg
^This tree in particular. Zoro will bring it back with him.
This is the only theory that's better than the Perona one.
Hahahaha, wow, ok. Am I nuts for doing all this? Maybe, but I was amused, so it's alright.
Dude…. Perona has more of a chance than any known character.
Translation: I like Perona more than any other character.
Now, I really did want to reply to that post that you offered in response to mine. I very much thought it was a crappy post and it had no basis, however, I didn't respond at that time because I got bored.
I'm just going to tell you that there is NO WAY that the reply you offered even exists to place any emphasis on who joins and who doesn't.
OK… This point of yours "bravery" is complete BS.
Are you serious, here? Your "door size" analysis when size has never been consistent in the series in the first place (not to mention the great carpenter on hand) is something you think is indisputable proof, but my comment about what Luffy said is needed of pirates is total BS?
What's even funnier is that you admitted that it was a very good point last time you were here. That's the epitome of fickle.
No offense to you, but the whole thing is basically too "Luffy-ified" because it is HIS WORDS out of HIS MOUTH.
Well, he is the captain and the one who makes all the decisions on this matter… God forbid I'd go to HIM for quotes, right? Maybe the proper way to argue is to just make stuff up instead of looking up examples from the manga? I might have been doing it all wrong this entire time.
You are basically saying that Luffy's words REMOVE individuality, which is the biggest horde of BS in the whole manga.
That is FALSE.
You know what would ruin individuality? Having someone else go through the process of conquering their fears. That's where my entire point has gone with the Usopp bit! Your love for Perona has blinded you, apparently. It seems that the fact that Perona is a polar opposite of what Luffy wants in a pirate isn't enough for some people, so I showed how it would remove Usopp's individuality as well (and even within that Usopp still meets Luffy's very general requirement).
So I guess you think that the only, extremely general standard that Luffy has given for pirates should be tossed asunder, because it ruins peoples' individuality? If sticking to a pattern that the author himself created removes originality, then what of the other standards? A dream, a sad past, a unique fighting style, or a unique design must also remove originality, right? By your logic, it should. In that case, how can you say Perona has a chance at all? I mean, you now no longer have anything to base your argument around, because all the patterns established were thrown out the window! Yeah, no, that's not how originality works.
The cowardly stuff, which isn't "stated" at all does allow Perona to join. Why?
It is because you don't know anything about her, you don't know a damn thing about her.
There is no way you have any more information on Perona than I do. Again, cowardly is NOT THE POINT. The point is the unwillingness to risk her life for her friends. It IS stated, in black and white. I've quoted it twice over the past week already.
You can label her as a woman that won't fight for her dream and stuff, but I just think that this is a horde of BS because you are assuming that EVERYONE thinks like Luffy does.
That's not true. Nami, Robin, etc. they all have their own views on life and their own opinions about what they do. Luffy has his, and you cannot for the sake of the manga just assume that they are completely uniform. It isn't that way, each character has a completely different personality and they think differently.
Second, the idea that Usopp does all he can for the sake; that's BS. He is a very cowardly person and he only has his moments… By saying that Perona has no moments, that's another BS >_<
You've probably assumed that much, but I strongly disagree and that is because SHE has lived a life that we know very little of... hence, we may be shown a lot more in the future.
Yeah… uh... I never said any of this. The hell?
Now, I am very much annoyed at your comment; to me, it is a big horde of BS because there's no BASIS under it.
I can expand why that idea is so full of BS in the first place, it just takes words to do that and definitions since someone can't seem to grasp it.
So, you don't know what "basis" means then? Because my basis comes straight from the manga. I've quoted it.
I read all of that, and you seem to have made a million assumptions about me and my thought process to make me wrong. Yet, in truth, it's all just BS you've made up about me in your head. I'm starting to worry that maybe you're a professional troll.
A horde of BS !
Urogue, since I don't want to get into another argument with you, I'm just gonna say this: Think out of the box. You're so clearly leaning towards one character that you use different logic for different candidates.
There is much more info that needs to be given before anyone, including Perona, including Jimbei, including Hancock, can become an actual, plausible crewmember candidate. If you really say Jimbei will join based on what he's done so far in the manga, then you're even more of a fanboy than any of us Perona supporters. Brennen's theory is a lot about what could happen in the future. Jimbei could get a Flashback, Jimbei could be the main conflict of FI, Jimbei could begin to look up to Luffy like he did with Fisher Tiger.
Until such info has been provided, all we can do is make up theories. So don't go around counter-arguing as if it was perfectly impossible.
Sure, Jimbei could theoretically join, but with the info we have so far, I don't think he will.
I've said before that Jinbei isn't my favorite of the candidates and that still holds true. I like his combat design, but the rest doesn't seem all that well developed to me. All I've argued is that Jinbei is by far the most likely candidate to join in the story at this point (or rather the only one who even has a decent chance). I've never tried to argue that he WILL join.
Adding a fishman feels out of place but you're fine with the undead and a talking, morphing reindeer?
Actually I never had a doubt that Luffy would get a fishman (if only for the ratings :ninja:). But seriously, I'd somehow find it nice for balance's sake if half of Luffy's crewmates would be humans and the other half something else. With Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji and Robin we'd have five humans, while with Chopper, Franky and Brook we'd have a beastman, a cyborg and a skeleton. A fishman would only help to even the numbers out. The question is what would be the last thing? I still hope for a monkey-man (like Masira, Shojo, Hamburg and the Coffee-Monkeys are).
I hope another woman joins tbh
I've said before that Jinbei isn't my favorite of the candidates and that still holds true. I like his combat design, but the rest doesn't seem all that well developed to me. All I've argued is that Jinbei is by far the most likely candidate to join in the story at this point. I've never tried to argue that he WILL join.
I don't see him as a likely candidate, I'm sorry I don't share that opinion.
However, read my post and try to figure out what I was really trying to say. Jimbei was just an example.
Edit: Ok. I used the wrong expression earlier. I said "will join", but I meant "is likely to join". Sorry.
I don't care what gender or what race the next nakama(s) is(are) to be honest.
The door thing has to be the dumbest thing i've read in a long time. Really the doors? And with a carpenter like Franky? The size of the doors is an absolute non-issue.
Well, yes let's assume Franky will DISCARD HIS DREAM SHIP and start from SCRATCH to make one that is COMPLETELY set to scale for those doors to be bigger all over the whole ship.
In other words, we're not building a bridge, it is a SHIP from a very unique and set to scale BLUEPRINT. Meaning, if one has to change everything around the whole ship, since that would include every door and then some, that means every freaking room has to change. This can cause problems upon the actual build of the ship and then some.
If you ignore this and just say "Oda doesn't care" then you expect Oda to make some shyt up just so that he won't have to bother to work with the details.
Do you think that Oda just SUCKS that bad, that he forgot to freaking fix a character or a ship just so a future person can join?
@RobbyBevard:
I reposted it because it's such an awesome theory that everyone should subscribe to.
Also, Naruto is the greatest manga of all time which is mostly due to how hot Sasuke is.
Most people use sarcasm to argue against it…
I'm still pushing for a tree.
[qimg]http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u343/CaptainHypersock/11-1.jpg[/qimg]
^This tree in particular. Zoro will bring it back with him.
Hmmm… Interesting.
Your idea that this HAS to exist is BS, I'm going to now waste my WHOLE time just to point all the billion of STUPID fodder characters that end up doing THAT because they just DO THAT.
It's like saying "All SH crew members have to eat meat." which is the most pathetic statement one can make.
No offense, but the idea is a horde of BS. Frankly, I'd doubt even Jimbei seems to care much for that.
Also, in case you didn't know about Luffy, he DOESN'T want his nakama to keep wanting to die for him like a bunch of terrorists... Aight?
Since you are SO bent on that being CANON and FACT, then I guess you need to read boring pictures to see the light.
I don't see him as a likely candidate, I'm sorry I don't share that opinion.
However, read my post and try to figure out what I was really trying to say. Jimbei was just an example.
Edit: Ok. I used the wrong expression earlier. I said "will join", but I meant "is likely to join". Sorry.
This is also a victim of poor wording on my part. "Most likely" isn't mean to mean "likely" at all. If I had to put numbers on it, I'd say Jinbei has a 35-40% chance, Hancock has a 2% chance, and Perona has a 0.1% chance. Therefore, I see him as the only person who has a decent shot.
I mostly look at reasons that hold them back rather than reasons they could or should join. Perona and Hancock both have strong arguments against them that I see as difficult to write around. Jinbei just doesn't have any arguments against them that don't seem simple to solve, so he remains a legitimate candidate in my eyes until I see one.
Is Perona remotely possible? Of course. Anything is possible in a fictional story. However, it'd be downright shocking to me if Oda did it since it'd mean that he's gone against his tendencies in so many ways. Some of those strike me, academically, as poor story writing.
Your idea that this HAS to exist is BS, I'm going to now waste my WHOLE time just to point all the billion of STUPID fodder characters that end up doing THAT because they just DO THAT.
It's like saying "All SH crew members have to eat meat." which is the most pathetic statement one can make.
No offense, but the idea is a horde of BS. Frankly, I'd doubt even Jimbei seems to care much for that.
Also, in case you didn't know about Luffy, he DOESN'T want his nakama to keep wanting to die for him like a bunch of terrorists… Aight?
Since you are SO bent on that being CANON and FACT, then I guess you need to read boring pictures to see the light.
Wow, again you're just forcing arguments on me. Luffy wants them to want to die? No way, that's crazy. Being willing to risk your life and wanting to die are entirely different.
All I see in the rest of your post is "BS! BS! BS! You're wrong!". That's not an argument, in case you were wondering. It amazes me that over half of your post to me is filled with that nonsense. The remainder being a response to an argument that I never made which you just want to pretend I made.
I SO want the last member to be a monkey that sits on Luffy's shoulder, shooting enemies (Like a certain pirate)
Or at least an one-eyed parrot that can handle a Glock .51
Hahahaha, wow, ok. Am I nuts for doing all this? Maybe, but I was amused, so it's alright.
Translation: I like Perona more than any other character.
Translation: you rely too much on a worthless "statement" …
Are you serious, here? Your "door size" analysis when size has never been consistent in the series in the first place (not to mention the great carpenter on hand) is something you think is indisputable proof, but my comment about what Luffy said is needed of pirates is total BS?
Ummm? Never been consistent?
Size is a lot more consistent than you think, it magically seems to be something Oda tends to try and follow (minus Nami's boobs.) but the rest does seem to suggest that it matters.
In your head: "Oda sucks!! He forgot to get the doors right and basically wanted to get JIMBEI without a doubt" and then you suspect that Oda is the same crappy author that follows consistency to make it "Every member is willing to risk their life!!"
OK.
What's even funnier is that you admitted that it was a very good point last time you were here. That's the epitome of fickle.
The only reason why I said that was because I was lazy.
Being serious, it takes a little while to actually take something serious. I read it once: "Hmmm…. Alright." and then moved on.
That's how it was to me. When you bring it up again then I start to read it for clarity and notice that this is a groundless statement and it is BS.
Well, he is the captain and the one who makes all the decisions on this matter… God forbid I'd go to HIM for quotes, right? Maybe the proper way to argue is to just make stuff up instead of looking up examples from the manga? I might have been doing it all wrong this entire time.
No, maybe if you went for the quotes, you'd be thinking that any zombie, animal, object, etc. would be a prominent candidate for a crew member?
Why? Oh yeah!! That is because Luffy may think they are "cool" and "awesome" and then some. So, since Kizaru is there, of course he is joining since he shoots LASERS!!
Listening to Luffy is just wrong because of how stupid he is portrayed.
You know what would ruin individuality? Having someone else go through the process of conquering their fears. That's where my entire point has gone with the Usopp bit! Your love for Perona has blinded you, apparently. It seems that the fact that Perona is a polar opposite of what Luffy wants in a pirate isn't enough for some people, so I showed how it would remove Usopp's individuality as well (and even within that Usopp still meets Luffy's very general requirement).
Blinded me? I at least can recognize that "conquering one's fears" is basically VAGUE… So, what does this apply to? Basically any idiot that wants to stand in front of something for the sake of a story…
You showed that "seemingly" the Perona of NOW isn't like that, however, the Nami of BACK THEN didn't magically go and try to stand up for Arlong… Nor did Ms. All Sunday of back then do the same... Basically, you expect that this "devotion" towards another is so special that it would FORCE them to somehow hold a higher level of devotion for Luffy because of them being that way, eh?
In other words, that's like saying "magnets attract!!" and then putting that into some economy crisis solution; these two things are worldly independent of each other and shouldn't come across...
So I guess you think that the only, extremely general standard that Luffy has given for pirates should be tossed asunder, because it ruins peoples' individuality? If sticking to a pattern that the author himself created removes originality, then what of the other standards? A dream, a sad past, a unique fighting style, or a unique design must also remove originality, right? By your logic, it should. In that case, how can you say Perona has a chance at all? I mean, you now no longer have anything to base your argument around, because all the patterns established were thrown out the window! Yeah, no, that's not how originality works.
Do understand that the "general" things that Luffy gives off is not technical. Why does he invite some random nobody?
You want patterns that apply, I can give you a billion BS ones that basically say "no 'non-human' can join" because of the similarities between all current straw hat crew members…
What good does this do? It does NOTHING... All the SH crew members before Brook were "alive" then that means no "undead" crew member can join... However, in comes Brook and we've got a dead guy!!
No other race except humans are on the crew before Chopper... Means the Doctor lady (Dr. Kureha) will join, despite being old... Oh my, it isn't true!!
So, now you base it on something so pathetic that says "you have to try and risk your life for something..." AMAZING!!
So, if we have anyone in the world of OP that doesn't do this magically, as if they could bother not doing this, then they failed at being in the crew... Right?
There is no way you have any more information on Perona than I do. Again, cowardly is NOT THE POINT. The point is the unwillingness to risk her life for her friends. It IS stated, in black and white. I've quoted it twice over the past week already.
The point is that this is vague and when you make things THAT vague, you've got more than a trillion to be nakama… It IS stated a billion ways that there are only "blah blah blah" in the crew. So, why should everyone bother with wasting their times reading the stupid things just to get the idea that "everything is constant" and will never change? Why should people buy that in the first place? It's total BS.
Yeah… uh... I never said any of this. The hell?
You say, "Perona cannot dare to risk her life…" so she's not a nakama material person.
So, you don't know what "basis" means then? Because my basis comes straight from the manga. I've quoted it.
Yours is so flawed that it is like spitting in Oda's face…
I read all of that, and you seem to have made a million assumptions about me and my thought process to make me wrong. Yet, in truth, it's all just BS you've made up about me in your head. I'm starting to worry that maybe you're a professional troll.
You say, "Perona cannot dare to risk her life…" so she's not a nakama material person.
Sorry, but that's as literal as I can get...
No, that "troll" stuff doesn't phase me because I don't speak that language of "e-talk" and stuff...
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Your whole argument is to follow the code of an idiot:
"It's the idea of being strong enough for risking your life…"
Which goes back to this concept that Luffy says a page before:
"The strong oath, is what a pirate has sworn himself at, and you lack the strength of that oath…"
BUT WAIT!!
This BS is not the official translation of the Viz Media translation that is PUBLISHED in the United States, for the English language...
"That's what you get for going up against pirates UNPREPARED..."
Later, after Nami asks; "It means being prepared to risk your own life..."
So, the first thing that it says is "going against a pirate" not actually having anything to do with being one or anything like that. Strike One!!
Second is that it means you'll have to prepare to risk your life to go against a pirate... Not anything to do with joining one... Strike Two!!
Since you basically assume this means all current crew members need this stuff to be a pirate, that is the third strike.
Just to define the words, so that we can basically do something about this, here's that nonsense:
Unprepared
1. Having made no preparations.
2. Not equipped to meet a contingency.
3. Impromptu: unprepared remarks.
That's what you get…
Basically, it means, since you didn't bother to follow something, you deserve what you get… In other uses, it means "I told you so!!" and then some...
Usually is rude.
going up against…
It basically means that you are going to attempt something against something. In other words, you are planning on doing something as an opposition to another something…
pirates
1.
a. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
b. A ship used for this purpose.
2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.
3. One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
4. One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.
v. pi·rat·ed, pi·rat·ing, pi·rates
v.tr.
1. To attack and rob (a ship at sea).
2. To take (something) by piracy.
3. To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization.
v.intr.
To act as a pirate; practice piracy.
I got lazy, but those are the main things… for the first part.
He says: "That is the punishment you deserve for doing this deed without proper preparation against pirates..."
Now, on to the next segment:
Nami is asking for a meaning of "unprepared" to clarify something; "Unprepared!? You mean not being prepared to kill someone like it's nothing?" Later, she continues: "Is that what 'prepared' means to a pirate?"
It is basically her asking Luffy, based on the situation, is killing him the proper way to be a pirate in his sense of piracy… She's wondering whether or not to even care and stuff... [NOTHING at all to do with who happens to be Nakama or NOT…]
Luffy's answer, "It means being prepared to risk your own life!!"
So, let's define these things:
prepared
v. pre·pared, pre·par·ing, pre·pares
v.tr.
1. To make ready beforehand for a specific purpose, as for an event or occasion: The teacher prepared the students for the exams.
2. To put together or make by combining various elements or ingredients; manufacture or compound: prepared a meal; prepared the lecture.
3. To fit out; equip: prepared the ship for an arctic expedition.
4. Music To lead up to and soften (a dissonance or its impact) by means of preparation.
v.intr.
1. To make things or oneself ready.
2. To study or complete a course of study at a preparatory school.
risk
n.
1. The possibility of suffering harm or loss; danger.
2. A factor, thing, element, or course involving uncertain danger; a hazard: "the usual risks of the desert: rattlesnakes, the heat, and lack of water" (Frank Clancy).
3.
a. The danger or probability of loss to an insurer.
b. The amount that an insurance company stands to lose.
4.
a. The variability of returns from an investment.
b. The chance of nonpayment of a debt.
5. One considered with respect to the possibility of loss: a poor risk.
tr.v. risked, risk·ing, risks
1. To expose to a chance of loss or damage; hazard. See Synonyms at endanger.
2. To incur the risk of: His action risked a sharp reprisal.
Idiom:
at risk
In an endangered state, especially from lack of proper care: unsupervised children who are at risk of dropping out of school.
I'm sure you know the other words, at least you should know them.
Now, to deal with the grammar and stuff, we can just label things…
"It means being prepared to risk your own life!!"
It = subject, refers to the "unprepared" comment prior since that is the subject of the whole conversation…
to risk = infinitive of a verb
prepared = a verb
In other words, I just have to wonder... How pathetically able are you... I mean, you misread something so easy to understand like this?
Prior to this, Buggy wants her to blow up Luffy for loyalty and to test if she can…
Luffy: Your hands are shaking
Nami: !
Luffy: That's what you get...
...For going up against pirates unprepared!!
Nami: Unprepared?!?
You mean not being prepared to kill someone like its nothing?!?!
Is that what "prepared" means to you?
Luffy: No.
Others: "Quit stalling!!"
Luffy: It means being prepared to risk your own LIFE!!
So, the whole conversation that you base everything on is whether or not NAMI is able to take on PIRATES by being "unprepared" (the idea that she has risk her own life to fight a pirate)…
Do you know what kind of facial expression I can offer you?
I wish to give you a facepalm in terms of just EVERYTHING!!
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Your big thing is that Luffy says: "In order to fight a pirate, you have to prepare to risk your life..."
since Nami didn't do that, she just wanted to go there and take the stuff and run!!
So, Luffy points out something that is OBVIOUS and doesn't even seem to give a damn about who joins and who doesn't...
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I'm going to tell you that you based something totally "moot" on something even by far "pointless"... In order to incorrectly read a "subject" of a conversation and state that this implies a "nakama" has to follow them.
In other words, my OFFICIAL GRAPHIC NOVEL is true, as well as my reading and understanding that a subject is "unprepared" and that they are talking about something totally WORTHLESS to someone joining a crew... So, that means you are 100% stating BS to take that as "truth" and then some...
What do you have to say to this, sir?
EDIT:
what, spoilers don't work here… oh well!!"
EDIT 2:
@herr_sebbe:
Urogue, since I don't want to get into another argument with you, I'm just gonna say this: Think out of the box. You're so clearly leaning towards one character that you use different logic for different candidates.
There is much more info that needs to be given before anyone, including Perona, including Jimbei, including Hancock, can become an actual, plausible crewmember candidate. If you really say Jimbei will join based on what he's done so far in the manga, then you're even more of a fanboy than any of us Perona supporters. Brennen's theory is a lot about what could happen in the future. Jimbei could get a Flashback, Jimbei could be the main conflict of FI, Jimbei could begin to look up to Luffy like he did with Fisher Tiger.
Until such info has been provided, all we can do is make up theories. So don't go around counter-arguing as if it was perfectly impossible.
Sure, Jimbei could theoretically join, but with the info we have so far, I don't think he will.
No offense to Urouge, but his idea that this worthless quote even says anything is just so absurd that it makes me look at him the wrong way, in other words, I question what the hell he even thinks of the manga.
Like you suggest, there's a reasonable way to look at the nakama, rather than suspect a checklist of some sorts… If someone likes them, check this post out:
http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=2846149&postcount=42
I'm sure there are PLENTY of great reasons in the middle of "groundless BS" that support any character…
That post is satire though.
Also, I do agree that this idea that "Perona = never gonna join" should just be ignored since the whole thing is basically "unknown" and should be considered the TOP due to the massive amount of "what ifs" shown about her...
She's got just about everything needed to join, without even getting them.
Well I think some are to much obsessed by certain characters… Hell OK Croc for Nakama!
Well I think some are to much obsessed by certain characters… Hell OK Crock for Nakama!
Why him?
He has qualities that don't seem too obsessed with being a crewmember.
This is in reference to his side kick and all the things involved with that sidekick.
man i hate these suuuuuper long posts
man i hate these suuuuuper long posts
you can skip it… All it said was that Urouge didn't read the stuff properly, that's it.
AGOG, I think you have some serious problems. Chill out,this is a forum…. XD
And just so you know, I don´t have the feeling Perona´s joining. That´s just how I feel.
And I´d rather have Jinbei join as well... I don´t think Franky has to change the entire blueprint/build of his ship just to make the doors wider...
And again guys, chill....I´d bet that Perona won´t join, but hey, this is Oda, so it COULD happen :D
Lolz, is this seriously going to devolve into semantics like the definition of a pirate?
AGOG you'd a been better off just acknowledging Urouge's point and just say that Perona's time with Zoro could've caused her to change (a bit fanfictiony but it's possible).
AGOG, I think you have some serious problems. Chill out,this is a forum…. XD
And just so you know, I don´t have the feeling Perona´s joining. That´s just how I feel.
And I´d rather have Jinbei join as well… I don´t think Franky has to change the entire blueprint/build of his ship just to make the doors wider...And again guys, chill….I´d bet that Perona won´t join, but hey, this is Oda, so it COULD happen :D
Sorry, but I got sick of that argument that was incorrect.
What more do you want me to do? Ignore it like I used to?
Bold:
They did spend a good portion of Water 7 discussing how much a ship depended on its original build, so if it is constantly altered, wouldn't that basically FORCE the ship to fail whatever the ship was intended to do?
An example would be that Franky's ship wouldn't complete his dream, if it was changed.
Oda only left it to have two logical additions:
–Seaplate coating underneath.
--Dock system 4
Other than that, there's nothing else to really do.
Why would he force all to basically be redone so a new character can join?
Despite this flaw, there's a billion more "plot" based examples that go against him joining; mostly dealing with his island...
Although it isn't fair to assume the need is there that Jimbei must stay on his island for stuff to go well, however, that may be the case in the future.
I won't argue that part since it's pretty much unknown.
Denying the idea that Perona "has more" chance of joining, I think that's remotely unfair to her character changes that were shown in the manga... By "changes" I mean her environment and basically everything about her; she's alone, different personality, more things about her, etc.
If you reject them, then that means someone is expecting it to not happen. I think that Perona should be given the "shot" towards being able to join.
Lolz, is this seriously going to devolve into semantics like the definition of a pirate?
Acog you'd a been better off just acknowledging Urouge's point and just say that Perona's time with Zoro could've caused her to change (a bit fanfictiony but it's possible).
The comment he said, which wasn't correct according to the PROPER English source, is not valid.
Therefore, in order to accept it and let Urouge have his way by relying only on some invalid point, that is a mistake that I am not going to bother doing…
AGOG, you're way too serious about this, but I 100% agree with pretty much everything you wrote. Now let's just wait for Urogue's equally long response… :S
I'm reminded of why I stopped reading this thread for awhile.
You know, I don't feel like quoting that huge monster, but AGOG's Nami argument is rendered invalid because the next thing she did in that sequence was to try and fight back against Buggy's crooks and put the fuse out with her bare hands. She fought pirates and risked her life. To save someone.
Dude, are you seriously saying the fuckin blueprint of a ship is more important than a NAKAMA?!?! Do you think Luffy would give a damn about the ship´s build?
Do you think Franky wouldn´t try to do everything in order to continue their journey with any nakama that joins?
Do you think Luffy wouldn´t even get a giant to join his crew if he´d like him soooo much? Then Franky would make the damned ship bigger, and it would STILL BE HIS SHIP.
I hope you´re finished with that argument… The ship can be modified. It´s still Franky´s -> his dream can come true.
Is thre a way that his monster posts aren't shown for me… my eyes hurt...
Croc for nakama. Vegetta/Piccolo-Style
(not serious but I hope we cut the current Perona and ship discussion)
You know, I don't feel like quoting that huge monster, but AGOG's Nami argument is rendered invalid because the next thing she did in that sequence was to try and fight back against Buggy's crooks and put the fuse out with her bare hands. She fought pirates and risked her life. To save someone.
You do know that the post was basically showing the grammar involved and how that doesn't force a character to join… Urouge had a theory that every nakama has to "risk their life to join" because Luffy said that quote.
Urouge also basically said this "Steven" person is someone that gave him that... I used the OFFICIAL translation to show that what Urouge said was complete BS.
That was my intent, in other words, the whole argument that Urouge had stated was false.
I'm saying that Urouge had said the wrong thing to validate a "requirement" for the nakama.
Dude, are you seriously saying the fuckin blueprint of a ship is more important than a NAKAMA?!?! Do you think Luffy would give a damn about the ship´s build?
Do you think Franky wouldn´t try to do everything in order to continue their journey with any nakama that joins?
Do you think Luffy wouldn´t even get a giant to join his crew if he´d like him soooo much? Then Franky would make the damned ship bigger, and it would STILL BE HIS SHIP.
I hope you´re finished with that argument… The ship can be modified. It´s still Franky´s -> his dream can come true.
Sadly, yes.
That is because I am saying that Franky's dream depends on that ship, which was made by the blueprint. If Franky has to sacrifice that dream, then why is he with them? He did state that he might leave the crew if they would pretty much leave the ship…
No, I'm saying that "regardless" of whatever Luffy likes, Oda has set a limit that must apply nonetheless.
@ herr_sebbe
I'm from OMF, we have big Hancock fandom going on over there... They ignore so much. If I don't actually use this approach, I can't even make any post at all...
You do know that the post was basically showing the grammar involved and how that doesn't force a character to join… Urouge had a theory that every nakama has to "risk their life to join" because Luffy said that quote.
Urouge also basically said this "Steven" person is someone that gave him that... I used the OFFICIAL translation to show that what Urouge said was complete BS.
That was my intent, in other words, the whole argument that Urouge had stated was false.
I'm saying that Urouge had said the wrong thing to validate a "requirement" for the nakama.
Sadly, yes.
That is because I am saying that Franky's dream depends on that ship, which was made by the blueprint. If Franky has to sacrifice that dream, then why is he with them? He did state that he might leave the crew if they would pretty much leave the ship...
No, I'm saying that "regardless" of whatever Luffy likes, Oda has set a limit that must apply nonetheless.
@ herr_sebbe
I'm from OMF, we have big Hancock fandom going on over there... They ignore so much. If I don't actually use this approach, I can't even make any post at all...
Is a door that important…
yes????…..maybe not
Doors are very important. Without doors I wouldn't be able to leave my room to take a shower, get breakfast, to say nothing about attending classes each day.
To put it more clearly to you… If the size of the door will be changed will it be that important... Not smaller but bigger.
But hell who cares
Oda's skill level is on the line if he magically makes that mistake.
You'd have to basically go and complain to Oda. Does he take pride in his skill of drawing a door and a character?
That's what you would need to ask.
Oda's skill level is on the line if he magically makes that mistake.
You'd have to basically go and complain to Oda. Does he take pride in his skill of drawing a door and a character?
That's what you would need to ask.
And you have to ask… Aren't you to obsessed? This is JUST a manga. A door for you will be problem but clothing from logias and other stuff is OK?
If Franky will cry cuz he needs to make bigger doors...
And you have to ask… Aren't you to obsessed? This is JUST a manga. A door for you will be problem but clothing from logias and other stuff is OK?
If Franky will cry cuz he needs to make bigger doors...
Oda explains all of that… However, a door which you have to remember that Oda even gave a DF after a door, those seem important.
Oda invented a new character just to correct a mistake he made in chapter one dealing with a door.
He is that dedicated to being correct when it involves doors…
Oh my god how could Usopp even dare to transform the Merry Go to go to Skypia… The ship he loved that much.
What cruel thing...
BTW
Where did Oda explain
-Fodder surviving 100 Mio volt lightning bolts
-Pell surviving
-Choppers outfit and how it expands with his transformations
-Why Ace clothing isn't burning
-and more than 100 other things
Well but OK believe that the doors are the biggest con against a certain character... maybe you are a door-fetish...
Oh my god how could Usopp even dare to transform the Merry Go to go to Skypia… The ship he loved that much.
What cruel thing...
BTW
Where did Oda explain
-Fodder surviving 100 Mio volt lightning bolts
-Pell surviving
-Choppers outfit and how it expands with his transformations
-Why Ace clothing isn't burning
-and more than 100 other thingsWell but OK believe that the doors are the biggest con against a certain character... maybe you are a door-fetish...
The first two iare easy to understand, don't ask me if you actually read OP.
The next two would be because he frankly doesn't want his characters naked. He stated this in either an interview or a SBS.
So, what are the other 100 things?
Oh my god how could Usopp even dare to transform the Merry Go to go to Skypia… The ship he loved that much.
What cruel thing...
BTW
Where did Oda explain
-Fodder surviving 100 Mio volt lightning bolts
-Pell surviving
-Choppers outfit and how it expands with his transformations
-Why Ace clothing isn't burning
-and more than 100 other thingsWell but OK believe that the doors are the biggest con against a certain character... maybe you are a door-fetish...
Let's hear the 100 more.
Please number them, too.