Wolfwood must also be angry that Hitler was killed…
Inglorious Basterds
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Wolfwood must also be angry that Hitler was killed…
Do you mean in the movie or real life? Because he committed suicide in real life.
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Do you mean in the movie or real life? Because he committed suicide in real life.
In the movie…
*Wolfwood must have been upset that Hitler was murdered in the movie...
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I won't go so far as to say all that, but I'm with Ivotas here.
The average German soldier knew what they were fighting for.
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I don't what crap you've read but I've talked to people that lived back then while they were young and they told me that it pretty much was public knowledge. They tried to excuse it though with the fact that they were children not knowing what stuff actually really meant but they knew it none the less.
If your talking about the people who lived and worked around these places then well of course they were in the know, It would be hard to keep things like that secret when you can actualy see the walls of the prison. But what about the africa corps or the troops in the very south of france, or over at the eastern front. Did Himmler ring em up just to tell them -hey guys we just started gassing jews, just wanted to let you know. To which the answer would have to be no, soldiers doesnt need to know anything that might lower moral. And moral was a big issue for them, Thats even one of the biggest reasons they invented the gas chambers in the first place, because even the SS troops that dealt with it broke down and couldnt do or deal with it themselves when they had to see the victims.
This has nothing to do with black and white terms it's a matter of fact. If you've talked to victims (not only WWII victims but victims in general) you can get a glimpse of how hurt and broken they feel when a crime happened to them but nobody helped but actually could have. What's more painful is running your mouth later how injust everything is without doing shit yourself (not you directly but people as a whole).
Still cant equate it to evil. And im not sure that comparision really works, i mean its like saying to a guy in Texas that you're a douche for not helping that guy over in New York who got mugged because you're both americans.
Of course it's a matter of relation. A small kid wouldn't be of much help. But hey, friggin' soldiers DO matter. Without them dictators have no base to accomplish their perverted goals.
With all the answers on hand its always easy to tell people what they should have done. But if i was an infantry slob back then and someone told me that my goverment was commiting genocide i would ask okay how can you prove this, and if someone said "-oh yeah it was Fritz in three doors over who heard about it, lets put on an armed revolution" id think the man was insane. But that seems to be pretty much what people expected the german soldiers to do?
Wolfwood must also be angry that Hitler was killed…
Absolutly furious, but that has more to do with that i wanted Pitt dead than any desire to see Adolf live on.
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If your talking about the people who lived and worked around these places then well of course they were in the know,…
And soldiers pretty much are people that were in the know.
Still cant equate it to evil. And im not sure that comparision really works, i mean its like saying to a guy in Texas that you're a douche for not helping that guy over in New York who got mugged because you're both americans.
No offense wolfwood, but if this is your defense then you practically admit that you have no constructive counterargument. I know that you are smart enough to know what I was talking about so you should also know why that example is below poor.
With all the answers on hand its always easy to tell people what they should have done. But if i was an infantry slob back then and someone told me that my goverment was commiting genocide i would ask okay how can you prove this, and if someone said "-oh yeah it was Fritz in three doors over who heard about it, lets put on an armed revolution" id think the man was insane. But that seems to be pretty much what people expected the german soldiers to do?
Again I bring the Gestapo into play. As perverted as it was they served a purpose, which was to track down everybody that defied the government back then. And the Gestapo was a large organization that always had it's hands full of work. So it's not like there wasn't an awareness of the evil crimes the government committed.
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And soldiers pretty much are people that were in the know.
You talk as if there were no people only borglike hive minds, where everyone was the same. You equate everyone who wore a uniform from lowliest chore boy to the highest SS officer to Hitler himself.
No offense wolfwood, but if this is your defense then you practically admit that you have no constructive counterargument. I know that you are smart enough to know what I was talking about so you should also know why that example is below poor.
I actualy find it quite apt as im talking about juding people as individuals, and that comparision is about you thinking that someone who may not even have been in the country at the time but rather fighting on a front 200 miles on an opposite direction exactly as accountable as a guy who pulled the switch in the concentration camp. And that just isnt possible for me.
Again I bring the Gestapo into play. As perverted as it was they served a purpose, which was to track down everybody that defied the government back then. And the Gestapo was a large organization that always had it's hands full of work. So it's not like there wasn't an awareness of the evil crimes the government committed.
Of course there was an awareness, never denied that. All im saying is that it varies from people to people. I propose that in this war there were people who fought for their country and nothing else and who knew little to nothing about what went on behind the scenes and people who activly supported the war crimes and even took part in them. And also people who were on the gray scale in betwenn.
Where as you as far as i can tell and do correct me if im wrong say "-no all the germans who didnt desert were 100% behind the war crimes." Which to me is far to black and white and doesnt even allow for seeing them as individuals.
As for on topic went to see it again with another group of friends last night, and it cant be stressed enough how awesome Christoph Waltz is.
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Wtf. I was watching the movie, convinced that one of the Basterds was Sylar from heroes. Turns out they're two different guys (Eli Roth and Zachary Quinto) who just happen to look, talk, and act the same way.
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After watching this movie a second time, I managed to pinpoint three gripes I found with the movie (not to say I was looking for them but they stuck out for me after getting past the whole "not knowing what's gonna happen" deal.
Gripe 1: Not enough Hitler development.
We only got one major scene with him where he was portrayed as comical. Goebbels had more character development than him. Not to say the way he was killed wasn't awesome as it was but I believe it had been a tad more awesome if the audience had more to feel hatred and excitement about his demise on than simply his reputation.Gripe 2: The Basterds' death.
Especially Donny and Stieglitz's. After all their character hype and their sheer awesomeness, I'd have liked that at least their deaths would have been more special (actually I'd preferred all of them as they were all awesome but these two especially). Not to say the way they died wasn't awesome, (Hugo shooting a Nazi's balls out and stabbing someone in the neck before he's shot, Donny choosing to kill Germans with a machine gun with a fire blazing rather than trying to escape when they know they could have just escaped and they'd all have died anyway) but I'd like that their deaths were depicted more clearly and epically than a mishmash of bullets and confusion or off-screen during explosions.Gripe 3: Not enough Herman and Hans development.
Yeah that radio control guy in the end. You may think this gripe is a triviality but I feel that Herman getting shot in the end would have been more awesome and cool if the audience felt that he felt some significance to Hans rather some random guy we're only supposed to care about in the end out of nowhere. It would have been like a cherry on the cake for poor Hans to lose a friend like that before getting stabbed in the head.Just some minor gripes, still loved the movie though.
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I loved this movie.
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@Usopp:
Wtf. I was watching the movie, convinced that one of the Basterds was Sylar from heroes. Turns out they're two different guys (Eli Roth and Zachary Quinto) who just happen to look, talk, and act the same way.
Me too! But of course, the way I see it Quinto is still the better actor, although Roth oozes much more hotness as THE BEAR JEW. :wub:
I LOVED the movie btw, this is truly Tarantino's love letter for the Jews.
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Just saw the movie last night. The "Ban-journ-oh" scene had everybody laughing, I can honestly say I did not see the ending coming, and it was really weird seeing Ryan the temp killing and scalping Nazis, especially since he was one of the few that survived. As far as
! Donny's death, I'm pretty sure it was part of the plan; they weren't aware of Shoshana's plan to burn down the theater, and they needed to make sure that all of the Nazis present would die somehow, as they would run out of ammunition eventually.
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Will Definetly watch this weekend. I expect great things from this, like any Tarantino movie! I just wathed Reservoir Dogs last month and loved every minute! (tough not as much as Pulp Fiction)
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I really liked it. I thought I wouldn't like it that much but I did. It had a slow tempo and it was very… bare. Probably my favourite Tarantino movie so far.
I enjoyed the first chapter the most. It alone would had made a great short story. Actually, I enjoyed Basterds themselves the least. Which was kinda surprising.
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Loved everything about this movie appart from Eli Roth. He was fine, until he opened his mouth. Killed it for me :(
Also, Cat People put in the soundtrack (and it works): Instant win.
One of my favourite Tarantino movies, possibly even my favourite, but that's too close to call.
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Just watched it.
I don't know why everyone loves this movie so damn much. Tarantino has done way better. I predicted most of the movie before it even happened, I didn't really give a damn about any of the characters (except for the dairy farmer in the beginning, and I guess Shoshanna), and to top it all off:
"I think this is my masterpiece"
Quentin Tarantino is a smug piece of shit.
Waltz and Pitt were fucking great though.
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Yeah, actually, I watched this about 2 months back. very interesting, nice story. Colonel Landa was a very interesting character, good villain.
Him waving bye to Shosanna at the beginning was a bit spine-chilling. As was his looking for the Jews in the dairy farmer's house.Hitler was killed, but I guess they have to embellish the story as they see fit. Brad Pitt was great in it, he was reall funny too in the theatre with his accent.
Big favourite of mine. Got me into liking War Films (Something I thought could never happen)
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@The:
I don't know why everyone loves this movie so damn much. Tarantino has done way better.
That was my first impression, but to be honest I saw the movie in the theatre and I was pretty exhausted that day, and watching movies in a theatre when you're exhausted doesn't make for a good mix.. especially with a slow movie such as this one.
But after seeing it a 2nd time (with more energy!), I loved the film. Slow, yes, and to a few of my friends that's what killed the movie for them, but I loved the double plot and the whole concept where Tarintino takes a war flick and adds his lick of violence in with it.
Masterpiece? I dunno. I haven't seen ALL of his films just yet, but I really did enjoy Reservoir Dogs.
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@The:
Just watched it.
I don't know why everyone loves this movie so damn much. Tarantino has done way better. I predicted most of the movie before it even happened, I didn't really give a damn about any of the characters (except for the dairy farmer in the beginning, and I guess Shoshanna), and to top it all off:
"I think this is my masterpiece"
Quentin Tarantino is a smug piece of shit.
Waltz and Pitt were fucking great though.
You just answered your own question sir…
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I personally think this is Tarantino's best movie.
Inglorious Basterds
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
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It'd rank it as his second best, after pulp fiction.
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@The:
"I think this is my masterpiece"
Quentin Tarantino is a smug piece of shit.
How is that smug? He thinks this is the best movie he's made. Dunno if I agree with that, but mainly because I don't know which Tarantino movie I like best.
Seconding Rican's post, though. The movie's especially good if you're familiar with nazi-sploitation and pulp revenge films.
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He is a smug piece of shit. Watch any Tarantino interview. He is so into his own cock it's retarded. And to blatantly state in front of an entire audience that this is your best movie? Go join James Cameron over there and jerk him off too while you're at it.
You just answered your own question sir…
Good parts don't make something a good movie.
Also Eli Roth is not a scary man. The only reason I would be scared of the BEAR JEW would be because my hands are tied behind my back and someone is going to assfuck me with a baseball bat. Eli Roth without a baseball bat=not so scary.
Bear Jew was a terrible nickname for someone of that stature. I would have been fine with a more suitable nickname.
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Like what ?
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Like anything but a nickname that does nothing to describe what Eli Roth is like
I would have preferred "guy who makes shitty movies," but that would hit too close for home, and really it has nothign to do with him in the movie itself.
And really though, that's barely a gripe I had
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Inglorious Basterds
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Kill Bill
Kill Bill Part 2
Death Proof
Jackie BrownI guess this is how my list would look like…
Also @ The Dude... just saying you answered WHY the movie is perceived as so good.
I mean... Waltz IS what made that movie.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Lulz @ the random Eli Roth hate...
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Waltz was basically the star attraction of the movie.
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I've never seen Jackie Brown and keep forgetting about it. Oh well.
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@Kairouseki:
I've never seen Jackie Brown and keep forgetting about it. Oh well.
Well… you ranked Death Proof last.
I guarantee you it's BETTER not it's not saying much.
Save for a lulz
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I mean… Waltz IS what made that movie
Wonder if Waltz'es greatness could've made kill bill watchable?:ninja:
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Wonder if Waltz'es greatness could've made kill bill watchable?:ninja:
David Carradine took care of that sir…
(At least as far as part 2 is concerned)
Part one was MADE by Uma Thurman imo (and I rarely praise anything of her work... if ever)
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I hope Waltz goes on to have a great career.
I really mean it.
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I hope Waltz goes on to have a great career.
I really mean it.
Well…
The dude's been active since 1977... so I'm sure his career is ok.
But if you mean mainstream... he IS scheduled to be part of the Green Hornet movie.
Thou now that I think about it... dude won an Oscar and about 20 other awards on his first big profile film.
That's fucking amazing.
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Part one was MADE by Uma Thurman imo (and I rarely praise anything of her work… if ever)
Well there we disagree, cause to me she was terrible.
And the first kill bill movie was quite possibly the worst movie ever made by a director of his stature.
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Shoot yourself. .
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Wish i had that option when i was watching kill bill one.
The second one was better, not good but a step up. i liked Carradine and Madsen's performances.
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Personally, for me, it goes
Inglourious Basterds/Pulp Fiction (they're so close for me that it's difficult to say)
Kill Bill (counting it all as one movie; I liked volume 2 a bit more than volume 1, because the dialogue was amazing, Pai Mei and Bill were awesome, and I liked Budd and Elle more than O-Ren and Vernita)
Reservoir Dogs
Death ProofHaven't seen Jackie Brown yet; heard it isn't as good as the other Tarantino movies, but I heard the same about Death Proof and it still wasn't a bad movie.
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"Say Aufwiedersehen to your Nazi balls!"…
Seemed relivant!
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Personally, for me, it goes
Inglourious Basterds/Pulp Fiction (they're so close for me that it's difficult to say)
Kill Bill (counting it all as one movie; I liked volume 2 a bit more than volume 1, because the dialogue was amazing, Pai Mei and Bill were awesome, and I liked Budd and Elle more than O-Ren and Vernita)
Reservoir Dogs
Death ProofHaven't seen Jackie Brown yet; heard it isn't as good as the other Tarantino movies, but I heard the same about Death Proof and it still wasn't a bad movie.
At least Jackie Brown is far better than Death Proof and Kill Bill Volume 1
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At least Jackie Brown is far better than Death Proof and Kill Bill Volume 1
Anything is better than Death Proof…
Shit... I just came back from the bathroom and what I produced there was on par with Death Proof.
But Kill Bill Vol 1.
Wat?
(I never understood the hate for a silly 70's Kung Fu films homage)
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I've never seen Jackie Brown or Deathproof (I'm sure it's probably for the best that I haven't seen the latter) but here's how I'd rate the rest of his movies from best to worst.
Pulp Fiction
Kill Bill 1 and 2
Inglourious Basterds
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If you're a fan of Tarantino then I'd say go and watch DP but it's not really all the good of a movie, especially since it was in a double feature with Planet Terror which was pretty good. I'll probably watch Jackie Brown eventually just for completeness.
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I've never seen Jackie Brown or Deathproof (I'm sure it's probably for the best that I haven't seen the latter)
Death Proof is the only movie I ever considered walking out of, then they stopped talking and I stayed but I regretted it later. Cool concept, terrible execution. Jackie Brown was awesome, go see that.
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Death Proof is the only movie I ever considered walking out of, then they stopped talking and I stayed but I regretted it later. Cool concept, terrible execution. Jackie Brown was awesome, go see that.
This.
The main problem with Deathproof is that QT fell a little TOO in love with his conversation writing skills.
Granted the man can write some witty conversational shit; but at the end of the day… people don't pay to go see a movie where all that happens is silly chit chat.
Deathproof had some great scenes: the entire car chase at the end complete with AMAZING stuntwork by Uma Thurman's double (yus...that bish is was her Kill Bill double) and the initial crash.
Unfortunately the REST of the movie is QT creaming at the conversations between the characters... which unfortunately are NOT that interesting to begin with.
Hans Landa from IB... interesting.
Vincent Vega and quite possibly the entire cast of Pulp Fiction (shit even Uma Thurman had some great lines there)... interesting.
David fucking Carradine... interesting
Couple of bitches and a VERY dull Kurt Russell (don't ask me how that's possible after potraying someone as awesome as Snake Plissken)?
Not so much.
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For a supposed grindhouse tribute, Death Proof had very little action and way too much useless bickering. Rodriguez knew what to do with Planet Terror, over the top, almost stupid yet mindlessly fun action. Death Proof just had a couple fruitless car chase scenes, though, and girls chatting for 90% of the movie.