It seems right now, whitebeard will be the one to save Ace. I just hope we'll get to see the fight because Luffy is not around and he's the main character and stuff.
The War With Whitebeard
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It seems right now, whitebeard will be the one to save Ace. I just hope we'll get to see the fight because Luffy is not around and he's the main character and stuff.
For one thing, Luffy is around, and for the other, I don't think Oda has set this up so far just to skip ahead of all the battles. Don't worry.
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When this war ends, what do you think will become of One Piece?
I know Oda is a very talented writer, but right now, all the big characters are being thrown at each other and many of them are likely to have their roles played out before the war ends.
Meanwhile, the epicness of this arc is above any ratings and will be extremely hard to surpass in the future. When the crew reaches the New World, will there still be room for such epicness with characters whom we don't know?
I'm relating this to Death Note and how that series fell after L died. Most main characters were pushed into the background and the series really lost most of it's charm. Is there a possibility the same will ever happen to One Piece.
I have faith in Oda, but I just worry he's driving himself into a corner here.
Discuss.
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I have wondered this myself, too…of course this CAN be surpassed, but it would have to be something so monstrous and huge that it could lose its taste...I mean I don't wanna see Zoro lifting up galaxies instead of buildings, but maybe we just have to have faith in Oda...he must know what he is doing :)
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When this war ends, what do you think will become of One Piece?
It will still be at raftel. but seriously…
I'm relating this to Death Note and how that series fell after L died. Most main characters were pushed into the background and the series really lost most of it's charm. Is there a possibility the same will ever happen to One Piece.
Well with Deathnote (and this is simply my personal opinion), it really felt as if it was supposed to end there and that the rest was just a cash in because of its popularity. I feel the quality of the story dived after the timeskip, and the new characters were as annoying as L was likeable, so instead of loving the chess game between Kira and L, I simply wanted Kira to win.
In stark contrast, this war has been on a slow burn for the last few years, and has its beginning all the way back in Drum, so I doubt the same will happen here. Oda has been thinking about this in one way or another since before death note even began.
And don't forget we still have two Emperors, the Revolutionaries, and both Teach and Akainu, who will no doubt survive this battle, along with countless others.
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And don't forget we still have two Emperors, the Revolutionaries, and both Teach and Akainu, who will no doubt survive this battle, along with countless others.
I'm not too sure about Akainu, but you're right about the rest as far as we know.
Sad that the mysteries of the Shichibukai and Admirals won't be around anymore, though. The entire Shichibukai has already been revealed and the Admirals just lack a full face on Akainu. Hopefully, there will be more powerful groups like them. (Emperors not accounted for).
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Oda has planned this war before he created Ace, and new World has been prepeared for a long time, too. I believe he won't let the manga get down, but even more awesome.
In Oda we trust.
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to answer your question, i dont think one piece would ever lost its charm even after the current war because first and foremost its an adventure theme , unlike death note which one of the side must fall after an major change have took place.
oda-sensei have lots of ideas that he havent show us yet.so be paitent and be confident that what is to come would be something interesting and special
when the current war is over[which i pressume this arc will have 8 more chap b4 it end] , my guess would be some shichibukai would leave their position as warlord after hearding the shocking news about the bloodline of roger, forcing the wg to pick some new blood to replace them.
most of WG's forces there would be crushed by whitlebeard 's flag
so there maybe a massive recuperate in strength so they would be out of action for a while
which allow more pirates to roam across the ocean including new world which then shc have to face to the road to raftelAkainu would be the next in line for the fleet admiral postion if and when sengoku was send flying up up in the sky by wb
the sh crew would gather back at sp to get thousand sunny with the help from wb 'crews since they are one hell of a massive fleets
sh crew have an campfire reunion and share their own adventure
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Hopefully we get some more adventuresome arcs. I'm getting a little tired of government conflicts being a major plot point.
The New World does sound promising though.
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Oda timed this war brilliantly, putting it immediately before fishman island and the new world. With how much Oda himself has talked about his great ideas for the new world, I have faith in the man.
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I love some One Piece, but you folks talk about Oda like he's Jesus the 2nd coming. (In Oda we trust) Really?! Great imaginative writer, but I don't speak of anyone like that.
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I love some One Piece, but you folks talk about Oda like he's Jesus the 2nd coming. (In Oda we trust) Really?! Great imaginative writer, but I don't speak of anyone like that.
I just find the line funny.
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Yeah, any creative writer can get worse over time, no matter how awesome they are at first. I'm basing my statement on the things Oda has said. He seems to think that his ideas for the New World are the best, and I have no reason to doubt him.
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He already told us that he had planned the series from the beginning to the end….
IN ODA WE TRUST
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And things like the revolution (luffy-dragon relation), the other yonkous and most importantly, the one piece and the whole "lost history" is still there to be discovered.
Should be enough material to deliver us some good stuff i'd say. :J
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@Massimo:
He already told us that he had planned the series from the beginning to the end….
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=744457&postcount=72
–--Yes but, one could say that's because you had the grand scheme in mind from your middle school years.
No, not really, I didn't really have this big arching plot in mind. Actually, as far as the contents of the story go, I hadn't really thought about anything. I just had in mind the basic establishment and that I wanted it to be a huge story, that's about it.
Does that mean he had the basic plot for the New World, too?
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While the War is indeed epic, I think it can be surpassed because it doesn't involve the Strawhats (except, maybe Luffy). The Strawhat's own wars and epic life-and-death confrontations to come in the New World will have a greater impact because we know the crew so well.
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I think One Piece will be fine. Like Urouge said, Oda's excited about the New World and I think that's a good indicator that Oda knows what he's doing with his story.
And The Sea. Did you read the part where he didn't have everything planned out in middle school? How does that contradict what Massimo D Luffy was saying that Oda has had the story planned out since he started actually doing One Piece?
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Oda doesn't need to surpass this war arc until the very end. If you think about it, this war has been built up from the first half of the Grand Line from way back (Drum Island). Once the war finishes, and the new era begins, Oda will begin building up the final events which are likely to go down once Luffy gets nearer to Raftel. I'd worry more about if Oda can make the New World arcs better than the Grand Line first half arcs (up to Shabondy).
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When this war ends, what do you think will become of One Piece?
I know Oda is a very talented writer, but right now, all the big characters are being thrown at each other and many of them are likely to have their roles played out before the war ends.
Meanwhile, the epicness of this arc is above any ratings and will be extremely hard to surpass in the future. When the crew reaches the New World, will there still be room for such epicness with characters whom we don't know?
I'm relating this to Death Note and how that series fell after L died. Most main characters were pushed into the background and the series really lost most of it's charm. Is there a possibility the same will ever happen to One Piece.
I have faith in Oda, but I just worry he's driving himself into a corner here.
Discuss.
You speak as of the ADD droogs who feed only off of One Piece titan level characters getting tired of the series when it goes back to mostly it's bread and butter material as a bad thing.
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Also the Four Elder Stars. I want to see what they can do. Maybe they don't have DFs but are just insanely strong.
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The fact that he has the ending planed out, and the Straw Hats were left out of this war have me convinced things will be amazing as always. Every arc I try to notice, is the quality dipping? or do I still care? And every chapter I think to myself "I do care, because this story never ceases to intrigue me"
And Oda is awesome! We love his story, so some of us like saying "In Oda we trust"! It's just funny good fun.
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i don't know but i hope that oda write years and years.
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I love some One Piece, but you folks talk about Oda like he's Jesus the 2nd coming. (In Oda we trust) Really?! Great imaginative writer, but I don't speak of anyone like that.
Also, even after the war the serie still has great potential.Calm down danny boy.
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In oda we trust.
If he says he has great ideas for the future why should we doubt him? The 550+ chapters so far have been nonstop awesomeness.
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As I said on OnePiecePodcast.com's 17th episode (epic plug!), I think WB's forces will be decimated, loosing MUCH of their power (and the big man himself), and the Naval-Marines too will lose Marineford, becoming more of a giant armada of ships which change location constantly. Something that occured to me that might happen would be the death of Sengoku with the Three Admirals taking charge or vice-versa, with Sengoku remaining alive, but without his three all-stars, forcing his hand to use those acient weapons, whatever they might be.
Anyhow, I think the navy will be too exhausted for the World Government to use, but I also see the Seven Warlords becoming official disbanded (via Hancock's loyalty to Luffy, Kuma's plans for the Straw Hats, Doflamingo simply not caring, and Mihawk going off to do his own thing), leaving that army of Kumabots their last major weapon. I suspect another major play will be made by the WG at Raftel, but that's years of storytelling away, I think.
I think the Straw Hats will reunited after this big battle (or at the very end), and they'll spend some time with Dragon's army for a big exposition arc, but that's just me…
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@Yuugi's:
As I said on OnePiecePodcast.com's 17th episode (epic plug!)
I'm gonna have to listen to that now…. BOOKMARKED!
Now.. back on subject. Looking and 'feeling' this latest arc. I think you're gonna hit one of those heads right on the button.
If anything Aokiji will survive through this. I think there might be some plans in the future for him. Sengoku, though we have never seen him in action... I think might actually parish in some way, shape or form, as stated above.
But both ends will pull out all their punches. With large amounts of losses on both side. I can, and I don't know why.... I think Garp might kick the bucket in this one as a guess. And Luffy will do something amazing, probably impress someone or somebody in a way that he'll get even more recognized than being one who escaped from Impel Down, also showing SOME sort of power up... because so far. Even in the mini-arcs, I havnt seen ANY sort of power up from any of them.
But in the future, it'll set it up for Blackbeard to become the top dog/battle at the end. Both his and Luffy's goal is pirate king. And the battle at the end of the series... will be that one. On Raftel, will be the big final battle with the Strawhats Pirates vs. Blackbeard Pirates. This, in my own opinion isn't even the pinnacle of the story despite how awesome it is.
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Originally Posted by Dark_King_Zasalamel
I love some One Piece, but you folks talk about Oda like he's Jesus the 2nd coming. (In Oda we trust) Really?! Great imaginative writer, but I don't speak of anyone like that.
Also, even after the war the serie still has great potential.Oda's a better Jesus than Obama.
I'm not sure this war will last all that long. I want to see the powers of the Division Comanders. And Akainu.
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Old sea adventure days are over… OP were so much better back in old days when there was no HUGE shit with WG or ROYAL ass kickers. Buuut, cant complain what happens right now... I just hope it all ends soon so we can go back to adventure. My hopes of New (Strong) World are high...
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@Kairouseki:
Also the Four Elder Stars. I want to see what they can do. Maybe they don't have DFs but are just insanely strong.
five… Not four
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Considering 3 admirals + sengoku falls during this war. Which will most likely not happen, we still have….
5 gorosei
kaido
unknown yonkou
dragon
enel strike back
blackbeardNot epic enough?
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Old sea adventure days are over… OP were so much better back in old days when there was no HUGE shit with WG or ROYAL ass kickers. Buuut, cant complain what happens right now... I just hope it all ends soon so we can go back to adventure. My hopes of New (Strong) World are high...
God you just have horrible taste about everything.
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Sure this arc can be topped, or at least stand as equals.
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Luffy meeting his father. And more story about the revolution (ideals and their goal, and something really big involving them), and most likely a big fight between Luffy and someone at the end. Although if WG falls, the revolution will have much more chance of success.
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Luffy meeting Shanks. That I am really looking forward to. Although I think he will save that for the end.
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Zoro defeating Shichibukai Hawkeye. Not as big as the current war, but it's just a small thing that I wanna see.
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Whatever Blackbeard does.
And plenty more than can top it. We have 2 more Emperors who are supposed to be as strong as Whitebeard. Oda has surely the story all planned out. Not by detail, but order and when. He introduced Ace with him looking for Blackbeard. I am sure he had planned for something big there. Maybe not the war at the time, but still thinking.
Btw I have a teory on how the Fishman Island will be used. As stated by Jimbei, Fishman Island belongs to Whitebeard, and therefore no one touches anyone there. So if Whitebeard dies in the war, then Fishman Island will be free for others to capture the ones who live there. And when the Straw Hats regroup and go there, they get involved.
Although I don't want Whitebeard to die. And I don't want the admirals to die. Specially Smoker, I like him. -
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Old sea adventure days are over… OP were so much better back in old days when there was no HUGE shit with WG or ROYAL ass kickers. Buuut, cant complain what happens right now... I just hope it all ends soon so we can go back to adventure. My hopes of New (Strong) World are high...
It's been over 20 years or something since the death of Roger, and Whitebeard still hasn't found One Piece. No one has. I hope Oda explains what the hell they are doing over there. My point is that, things are just gonna get bigger and bigger. HUGE shit will be all over One Piece. 11 supernovas and 4 Yonkou and many more are fighting to find One Piece first.
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I see vegapunk isn't mentioned yet…also more of pirate king's crew revealed,more of will of D. , ancient weapons...
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Alright, I updated the poll now that we have much more information. Curious where people stand on this. Any theories or ideas about what the ramifications to this war will be? Who will win? Who will lose? Will anyone die? Etc.
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Alright, I updated the poll now that we have much more information. Curious where people stand on this. Any theories or ideas about what the ramifications to this war will be? Who will win? Who will lose? Will anyone die? Etc.
I voted! Woohoo!
Here's what I said in the chapter discussion.
@freedom:At first, I was pretty sure that this war would be the demise of WB, specifically by the hand of BB. However, Oda is a great illusionist and can quickly pull a fast one and make you look left while he switches the cards with his right hand. So anyways…
As the war has now officially begun, we have comments from Sengoku (head guy in charge) stating that this is a huge risk and they don't even know if they can win this. WB has already been showcased as a beast and I'm expecting this to go on for a bit longer.
We have a lot of undeveloped (in terms of fighting) big-"named" pirates/marines. So there's no way Oda will make any of them jobbers. Akainu, Mihawk, Doflamingo, and Hancock on the WG side, and of course, WB, Marco, and Jozu on WB's side. However, with so many big names, I can't help but think at least one of them will lose or win (depending on how you look at it) against another big-named pirate/marine.
When it's all said and done, I don't know why, but I'm expecting that WB will win the "war", but also lose his title as world's strongest if not his life as well. Will it still be BB? who knows, but I know I hope it is.
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At first, I was pretty sure that this war would be the demise of WB, specifically by the hand of BB. However, Oda is a great illusionist and can quickly pull a fast one and make you look left while he switches the cards with his right hand. So anyways…
As the war has now officially begun, we have comments from Sengoku (head guy in charge) stating that this is a huge risk and they don't even know if they can win this. WB has already been showcased as a beast and I'm expecting this to go on for a bit longer.
We have a lot of undeveloped (in terms of fighting) big-"named" pirates/marines. So there's no way Oda will make any of them jobbers. Akainu, Mihawk, Doflamingo, and Hancock on the WG side, and of course, WB, Marco, and Jozu on WB's side. However, with so many big names, I can't help but think at least one of them will lose or win (depending on how you look at it) against another big-named pirate/marine.
When it's all said and done, I don't know why, but I'm expecting that WB will win the "war", but also lose his title as world's strongest if not his life as well. Will it still be BB? who knows, but I know I hope it is.
Well, to add to the discussion I will throw in how I thought it would go; I've said this before, but just want to restate for the record I guess:
Whitebeard is sort of the last remnant of that past age of pirates. Referring to pirates only here. Shanks, among others, could still be accounted as such, but I am referring more to the symbol of that last pirate age. Whitebeard, Roger, and various others at that time I would assume. Whitebeard needs to be surpassed by someone eventually, and I really don't think Oda plans for that person to be Luffy. Primarily because of Whitebeard's personality; protecting his "sons", offering protection to islands, and being the strongest man in the world. Luffy isn't the type to take that sort of person down, and even if he did it would instantly throw Luffy into the "strongest man in the world" category. So…somebody needs to surpass him. Who? Obviously this should be Blackbeard. At some point Blackbeard must surpass him in one way or another in order for Luffy's eventual defeat of Blackbeard (presuming it happens) to be of major significance. We know Blackbeard already has major plans for this war too, so I can only imagine (hope) that publicly executing THE WHITEBEARD will be that plan. This would set him as the new Whitebeard for this age, resulting in the "loss" of Whitebeard.
Technically speaking, however, the Marines and Whitebeard pirates should have given eachother a huge blow by this time, causing tons of damage and putting the Marines, at the least, in a state of emergency. This keeps them from being destroyed completely were Whitebeard to win, and allows people like Coby, Smoker, and the Admirals to still play a role, albeit smaller than now, in the New World. Impel Down's destruction also plays into Blackbeard's plans, and gives more motive for him having shown up there. Causing more chaos means an easier time for him to do what he wants to do, and a smoother path post-war due to the after effects of war.
Ace, I expect to live. Live, and either take up his role as the new captain of the "Whitebeard pirates", or start a new crew with the remnants thereof. I have toyed with the idea of him blaming Luffy for Whitebeard's death, given Luffy caused the prison break, but I don't think it will happen. I just sort of expect him and Luffy to be rivals of sorts in the New World. This probably won't happen though.
Lastly, I have been playing with the idea of Buggy getting the fame for Whitebeard's death. Somehow. Maybe even being the one who kills him, sort of on accident. I would expect Blackbeard to bring Whitebeard to the brink in this case, so he still has the infamy and (at least to us) the power to be "the strongest", but with Buggy being the "Mr. Satan" of One Piece, I would love to see this happen.
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Neither should win, both sides should take huge losses, Whitebeard should die and the world should be laid open for a New Age of piracy.
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Im hoping for a lot of deaths. Lets see if Oda can do it.
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Okay, so here are some of my predictions for possible 1 on 1's:
Smoker vs. Crocodile
Tashigi vs. Daz Bones
Dragon vs. Garp
WB vs. Sengoku
Ace vs. Aokiji
Marco vs. Kizaru
Jozu vs. Mihawk (later Zoro vs. Mihawk)
Rayleigh vs. Akainu
Iva-san vs. John Giant
Luffy vs. BBAnd here are my predictions for Group vs. Group battles:
Vice Admirals vs. WB captains
Pirate fodder vs. Marine fodder
SH crew vs. BB crew
Shiryuu vs. Level 6
Remaining Shichibukai and rear admirals vs. WB alliance captains
Captains vs. ID escapeesPost War:
Due to various events during the war all the Shichibukai end up abandoning their posts. The end of the Shichibukai as well as the balance of power they were apart of is marked by the execution of BB crew as well as the other Level 6 prisoners, Crocodile, and Daz bones. There will be a dramatic shift in funding from the marines and shichibukai to Vegapunk and his tech, though the marines will still exist. The pirates including WB and his division captains and the other captains will all live and have a huge party. There will be a bunch of injiries and casualiries on both sides. As well as a bunch of other stuff.Now feel free to go on a rant about how I'm wrong on everything. I don't think I'll debate anyone just yet though. This is just the kind of thing I believe Oda would do.
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Yosh! Gooooo Whitebeard!
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For goddsake where is the option CROCODILE !!!!!
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The superpowers of the past shall be destroyed, and the world shall be opened up for the young ones.
My predictions: Whitebeard will fall, and Ace shall take command. Sengoku will fall, and Akainu, the one remaining admiral, shall rule the Navy. The Warlords will be dibanded, as they have their own goals. And Donflamingo shall gather his crew can become the most feared pirate of the seas. Blackbeard pirates become a huge force to be reckoned with. The Strahats and the Supernovas enter the New Word as the ones who will combat these powers, as well as themselves, to shape the new pirate era.
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The superpowers of the past shall be destroyed, and the world shall be opened up for the young ones.
My predictions: Whitebeard will fall, and Ace shall take command. Sengoku will fall, and Akainu, the one remaining admiral, shall rule the Navy. The Warlords will be dibanded, as they have their own goals. And Donflamingo shall gather his crew can become the most feared pirate of the seas. Blackbeard pirates become a huge force to be reckoned with. The Strahats and the Supernovas enter the New Word as the ones who will combat these powers, as well as themselves, to shape the new pirate era.
I like this..especially the Akainu becoming the Fleet Admiral part, I would also add that Crocodile and Blackbeard take down Whitebeard together…then Crocodile takes WB' yonkou position.
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Akainu rules the navy and Crocdile becomes a Yonkou.
man am I glad you guys aren't writing One piece.
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Akainu rules the navy and Crocdile becomes a Yonkou.
man am I glad you guys aren't writing One piece.
Lol I read that and thought I accidentally clicked on the dumb predictions thread.
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Why are people saying that Ace should lead the WB's? He's not even the strongest, if anyone Marco should lead them. I think that if WB dies, they should go off on their own.
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@Monkey:
Why are people saying that Ace should lead the WB's? He's not even the strongest, if anyone Marco should lead them. I think that if WB dies, they should go off on their own.
Considering that Ace has been revealed to be the one WB is pushing to be Pirate King, he seems like the first choice to lead. Marco seems like a cool guy, but the assumption he's strongest seems false. Marco, Ace, and Jozu are leading's of part of WBs army, but ranks. Otherwise, if they were ranked then if would mean each division themselves are ranked.
But I mainly want to post to state this. I can't help be want the supernova to get involved, but I can't think of how they'd reach there and why. The only reason that I can think of that's help the overall plot is it'd make them seem more relevant then they are right now.
Also, I don't believe that Kizaru captured one of them in those 500 pirates. They should have been mentioned otherwise, since they are still famous pirates with high bounties. Uroge is the only one I see with a chance. -
Considering that Ace has been revealed to be the one WB is pushing to be Pirate King, he seems like the first choice to lead. Marco seems like a cool guy, but the assumption he's strongest seems false. Marco, Ace, and Jozu are leading's of part of WBs army, but ranks. Otherwise, if they were ranked then if would mean each division themselves are ranked.
But I mainly want to post to state this. I can't help be want the supernova to get involved, but I can't think of how they'd reach there and why. The only reason that I can think of that's help the overall plot is it'd make them seem more relevant then they are right now.
Also, I don't believe that Kizaru captured one of them in those 500 pirates. They should have been mentioned otherwise, since they are still famous pirates with high bounties. Uroge is the only one I see with a chance.First of all the flashbacks we had completely go against Sengoku's idea that WB took Ace in to make him PK. Instead they show WB being surprised that Ace is Roger's son after ace joined his crew. That means he didn't know about Ace's connection when Ace became apart of his crew. He then says that it doesn't matter that he is Roger's son. If that's the case then why would he bother to want to make ace PK, to WB Ace is just like any of his other "sons."
Secondly Marco seems much stronger than Ace on first look, we have to see more to judge, but he seems to be a higher tier. Remember the first real move Ace showed was a wall of fire, and his ultimate was like a sun. The first thing Marco shows is a mini-sun or at least thats how it seems. So from that it seems that his ultimate must be greater than Ace's.