MR 1 WILL GET AN EYEPATCH!!!!!
Dreams shall come true.
or a cape? then his dreams shall come true:wassat:
MR 1 WILL GET AN EYEPATCH!!!!!
Dreams shall come true.
or a cape? then his dreams shall come true:wassat:
I agree that learning Haki should not make Luffy unbeatable fighter. Haki's most likely very basic thing for New World pirates and I think it'll just let Luffy fight on equal ground with other Haki users.
Me thinks you may be underestimating haki just a wee bit. When Shanks boarded Whitebeard's main ship Moby Dick, only the fleet commanders were aware of Shank's Haki powers. Here is the strongest vessel commanded by a monstrosity of a man with, in all likeliness, the strongest Haki[speculation] in the world and yet most of the crew were surprised by Shank's aura. I believe only the elite in the New World have some control over Haki and maybe some of the top players may not possess it either (We have not seen Moria, Crocodile, Kuma, show any signs of Haki) yet are still at the top.
From the facts given (Shanks posseses Haki, Hancock Possesses Haki, Raleigh possses Haki) it must be a rare and powerful asset in the new world and from Hancock's statement, Haki usage of Luffy's level is one in a million.
So what is that? A tattoo, I'm guessing. It could be a scar.
Nice find with Mr. 1. I wonder if Crocodile also has some mark, since Oda has been hiding his face…
Me thinks you may be underestimating haki just a wee bit. When Shanks boarded Whitebeard's main ship Moby Dick, only the fleet commanders were aware of Shank's Haki powers. Here is the strongest vessel commanded by a monstrosity of a man with, in all likeliness, the strongest Haki[speculation] in the world and yet most of the crew were surprised by Shank's aura. I believe only the elite in the New World have some control over Haki and maybe some of the top players may not possess it either (We have not seen Moria, Crocodile, Kuma, show any signs of Haki) yet are still at the top.
From the facts given (Shanks posseses Haki, Hancock Possesses Haki, Raleigh possses Haki) it must be a rare and powerful asset in the new world and from Hancock's statement, Haki usage of Luffy's level is one in a million.
Maybe so but I think only the King's Haki or whatever it was named is rare and feared. I think we'll see a lot of that sort of Haki which Sentoumaru, Margaret and Gorgon Sisters have proved to possess. And Skypiea priests most likely :)
I'd expect something like making up for the crimes he commited. I mean he wanted to be a hero once.
Bingo Ivotas.
His dream to be a hero was somewhat telling. Remember, he's cold-hearted and he's loyal to a contract but he's still just a hitman, doesn't mean he despises justice, including his own. It SEEMS that he almost thinks he belongs there the way he kind of taking it. Which is why I'm interested in how Oda will handle him. No doubt I'm making it more complex than it really is but…
GREAT job with the scar!!!! I knew something was 'off' but I couldn't put my finger on it. Awesome job there.
On the topic of DEM. I found something I believe to be a DEM actually. It's where Luffy chews through the bars of Moria's cage. Not only was it strange, it was also unnecessary. The scene was drawn to establish Luffy's resolve to escape but the fact that Luffy can chew through steel (or what appears to be) is absurd and out of nowhere.
Funny? Yes. But somewhat troublesome for other scenes.
On the topic of DEM. I found something I believe to be a DEM actually. It's where Luffy chews through the bars of Moria's cage. Not only was it strange, it was also unnecessary. The scene was drawn to establish Luffy's resolve to escape but the fact that Luffy can chew through steel (or what appears to be) is absurd and out of nowhere.
Funny? Yes. But somewhat troublesome for other scenes.
I think you just hit the nail on the head with that scene. It was funny, that's it. That's all it was supposed to be. It like those times that Nami beats on Luffy. I don't see how it would be a problem for the series either; I'm assuming that by his point in the story Luffy (and Zoro and Sanji) can handle iron bars.
On the topic of DEM. I found something I believe to be a DEM actually. It's where Luffy chews through the bars of Moria's cage. Not only was it strange, it was also unnecessary. The scene was drawn to establish Luffy's resolve to escape but the fact that Luffy can chew through steel (or what appears to be) is absurd and out of nowhere.
Funny? Yes. But somewhat troublesome for other scenes.
I always viewed it as a funny bit of growth from when he couldn't chew through the cage Buggy trapped him in
DaeJi, yes that's the main point. I don't think Oda intended us to take a person with rubber teeth chewing through steel seriously. However…when he does stuff like that it makes you wonder why he didn't chew through the snakes binding him. The net in ID I can understand though since that supposedly weakened him.
You brought up Nami beating Luffy though. Interesting you mention that because I've been wondering if the reason Garp and Nami can actually get through to him is because their strong emotions are channeling Haki.
"WTF GREG! NOW EVERYONE'S USING HAKI!??? SO STUPID LOL TTYL SMH"
Calm down. I said, 'strong emotions', Oda's always said it was her heart that allowed her to 'damage' him and Luffy was likewise 'damaged' by Garp. Could it be that Nami's emotions (and we know that they're strong) actually allow her to connect on that level? I KNOW it's a joke but wouldn't it be interesting if that's ultimately what Oda intended it to be?
Calm down. I said, 'strong emotions', Oda's always said it was her heart that allowed her to 'damage' him and Luffy was likewise 'damaged' by Garp. Could it be that Nami's emotions (and we know that they're strong) actually allow her to connect on that level? I KNOW it's a joke but wouldn't it be interesting if that's ultimately what Oda intended it to be?
Maybe. The difference though is that people commented (with shock and/or disbelief) to Garp's fist. Similar to Sentoumaru hitting Luffy or Luffy getting hit by Sandersonia. Whenever Nami beat him up nobody thought twice (except us, jokingly). If it turns out to be that though? I'm sure Oda will be like, "It was Haki…? Of course it was!"
The main fault I see with your reasoning Greg is that One Piece doesn't take itself seriously. Or at least no where near as seriously as, say, Bleach. Even with all of the violence, the death, the tragedy, the villains, the hopeless situations, One Piece had always had a very tongue-in-cheek nature about itself, even when it was at it's most serious (for examples, check out Water Luffy during his very intense fight with Crocodile, or when he faced Eneru, who wanted to destroy Skypiea and everyone on it, and shut off his brain).
The main fault I see with your reasoning Greg is that One Piece doesn't take itself seriously.
And I would agree with you. But Oda still attempts to give it meaning even while he's being silly.
For instance, how he explained Mr. 3 was floating. Or the Mizuuta twins.
Whether it's absurd or not, Oda's bright enough to realize certain issues do deserve being addressed and he does from time to time. Are his explanations absurd? Yeah. But fuck, a super floaty piece of wood is now OP canon silly or not.
Oda will be like, "It was Haki…? Of course it was!"
Exactly. It wouldn't be, "OMFG NAMI IS HAKI UZOR!!!!!" If someone brought it up he'd probably because like, "Yep…it uh...it sure waaaas. How clever of me! sweat drop"
One Piece had always had a very tongue-in-cheek nature about itself, even when it was at it's most serious (for examples, check out Water Luffy during his very intense fight with Crocodile, or when he faced Eneru, who wanted to destroy Skypiea and everyone on it, and shut off his brain).
This is one of the reasons that i have always loved the series
^ Very true. The darkest One Piece probably ever was imo was the whole tenryuubito thing. The series just differs a lot. Hopefully it'll get way more intense when they enter the new world though, instead of just giving us bits here and there of true pirate brutality.
^ Very true. The darkest One Piece probably ever was imo was the whole tenryuubito thing.
So Usopp VS Luffy did nothing for you?
That's a different kind of dark, me thinks.
Luffy VS Usopp was dealing with heavy, dark, burdensome emotions.
Tenryuubito was an overall feeling of holy shit, someone is now doomed eternally which turned out to be funny anyway. (Okay, maybe I don't think it's dark at all.)
But there was nothing funny about Luffy and Usopp's fight.
So Usopp VS Luffy did nothing for you?
Compared to seeing a slave get blown up, urinated on by a distorted looking dog, then shot multiple times on the ground, and kicked? Not even close. Luffy vs Usopp was sad and emotional, and i guess the whole atmosphere was a little dark you could say. But it still doesnt compare to that tenryuubito scene.
Edit: I'd say Luffy vs Usopp…was more "shonen drama" if you will
@John:
or a cape? then his dreams shall come true:wassat:
I don't think they were talking about Mr.1's dream…
A bit of that drama is immediately taken away when we see the same pirate walking around a few chapters later like nothing had happened.
It takes away from the drama, just how can I sypmhitise with him when I know in advance he s gona be fine….the pissing of the dog, the shots in the face everything doesnt get the dramatic effect it should have because of it...
Its the only area I feel from time to time OP is lacking...like lets cut the bullshit and start giving people the facts that this is a pirate world and nameless or not people will die...
The series just differs a lot. Hopefully it'll get way more intense when they enter the new world though, instead of just giving us bits here and there of true pirate brutality.
i also hope this, but than again we have to remind ourselves…do we rly want this?
i mean i have to point again and again at Dragonball..
the second half was more intense...but humour was lost..in fact it was not near the quality of the first half...just fighting more and more stronger villains which are more and more ridicilous...(still a good read ,but humour and a awesome good story were gone..)
i think it wouldnt be oda if he doesn
t use some crazy humour even in now more serious backround (ID is a serious place so the humour goes more crazy to cover a little the serious tone..for my taste i little too much, but oda will find his balance)
in my opinion his series has to drift in a more intense backround cause of the settings (the War,the cruel new world), so he has to show us more of the "not so bride side of OP"
also hated that the GL was called a "pirate grave"..and how many pirates we saw? or how many pirate fights on see had the SH-crew...not rly THAT killing place so far in my eyes...hope the NW will be slightely differnet.
but still oda tries to integrate his crazy humour...kudos to that, but for the ID-saga its a little too much(even magelan is awesome funny :) but thats it, this will show that he
s a true master under many mangakas, in creating his series to a more intense tone ,but still not loosing his humour,his slapstick action, his crazy and bizarre characters...
Nice find with Mr. 1. I wonder if Crocodile also has some mark, since Oda has been hiding his face…
I'm sure that something will be with Croc's face. Hiding it for suspense is pointless since everybody already knows what he looks like. I know I'd find it lame if Oda was hiding it only to look exactly the same as it always did.
Oh and maybe that croc and Mr.1 decided to enter ID only to be part of an obscure organisation that wear such tatoos on the face. Dragon has also a tatoo? Ok don't flame me i'm highly speculating here. That's a good idea Deicide.
To me, it looks too much like a scar to be a tattoo.
Of course, until we see Mr. 1 closer up, we can't say what it is.
You have luffys face in your avatar of course you see scars everywhere… Ok that was lame.
Oh and maybe that croc and Mr.1 decided to enter ID only to be part of an obscure organisation that wear such tatoos on the face. Dragon has also a tatoo? Ok don't flame me i'm highly speculating here. That's a good idea Deicide.
While I don't agree on the tattoo thing I agree on the obscure organisation point. Every prison has some big underground boss who's obsure business there. I'd be disappointed if ID doesn't have such a guy respectively organisation.
I'm not saying Crocodile will be on top of it but it would be strange if he wouldn't be connected to it, considering what a mastermind he is. Also if there's such a boss down there in the deepest level, then we might have a candidate for main antagonist (in case Magallan really shouldn't be it).
Compared to seeing a slave get blown up, urinated on by a distorted looking dog, then shot multiple times on the ground, and kicked? Not even close. Luffy vs Usopp was sad and emotional, and i guess the whole atmosphere was a little dark you could say. But it still doesnt compare to that tenryuubito scene.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Because I laughed my ass off during that scene.
"DER!!!! YA' THINK DEY'LL SAVE HIM!!!!????"
"EVEN IF DEY DO HE'S GOIN TA JAIL FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER."
Horseshit. Dumbest chapter he ever wrote. The tenryuubito are weak pussycats that can't harm anyone no matter what they do. Way to make your villains threatening.
So Bellemere saying she loves her adopted daughters before being shot and killed didn't do anything for you either?
Horseshit. Dumbest chapter he ever wrote. The tenryuubito are weak pussycats that can't harm anyone no matter what they do. Way to make your villains threatening.
Or perhaps they are nothing but spoiled brats that never tasted real battle and therefore have no real killing experience even if they do have the killing intent. No? :wassat:
IMO no…the guy should have been dead, otherwise the dramatic effect just fades...
Everytime I ll see them from now on they ll just look useless to me. No need to worry about anyone who they ll hurt its not like they ll kill him so what good does it do to have an explosion necklace. It actually pays off to run then just get a helper...let it explode and he can drag your ass out of there you ll survive anyway...not to mention shots in the head these days are musquito bites as it would seem...
And that was some pirate with less resistance then Luffy etc...so how can I be in "fear" for his safety if even weaker charas cant be harmed...!
Wait, how and why were the Tenryuubito supposed to be threatening by themselves? I thought the whole point of showing them kick, kill, and take whatever they want was to establish the fact that they were completely above the law; full immunity. I mean, that whole scene served the purpose of highlighting exactly what was said by Hachi the chapter before and setting up the consequence of interfering with the Tenryuubito: an Admiral from HQ. How was that "threat" lost in any way, shape, or form because Oda let someone who died live on via Easter Egg.
IMO no…the guy should have been dead, otherwise the dramatic effect just fades...
I agree that he should have been dead. But I don't see any problem with the dramatic effect, because it appeared the second he got shot. It might be bothersome later on that he's still alive but it doesn't mean that in the second Sharlia pulled the trigger it wasn't a gruesome thing to do.
This matter is similar to the argument "Pell being alive makes his sacrifice appear weak". Again, I agree that I would have prefered for the character to have died. BUT it doesn't mean that it does harm his sacrifice because the second he took the bomb and flew away he was ready to give away his life to protect everyone he cared for. This is the moment of action, the dramatic scene. What we find out later does by no means ruin a past experience.
That's why I don't get how Dias being alive has anything to do with spoiling the effect of a past experience. It simply is not possible physically.
the whole point was to show that their is so much wrong in this world that it needs a change of direction..
that such people like the tenryuubito have such a power and these criminals are the 1 who are protected by the WG does clearly demonstrate again which illness the WG is for the OP-world…and not just some brutal pirates
corruption and how people change\behave when they got power(not physical) is here clearly showed
and they were never introduced at potential villains..they are the scum of the world so they shouldn`t be strong..just assholes who are in the end nothing worth (not even worth to kill some1 correctly if you want to look at that on a different angle)
they are nobles with at least a hundred years of incest, they can't even walk on their own legs for gods sake… they just absolutely match nobles in real life.
hope spoilers appear soon, those italian forum bastards (other site, no rasicm) are so bored they started forming fake pictures out of old material where luffy jet gatlings magellan and stuff and a helper dude fell for it :)
I agree that he should have been dead. But I don't see any problem with the dramatic effect, because it appeared the second he got shot. It might be bothersome later on that he's still alive but it doesn't mean that in the second Sharlia pulled the trigger it wasn't a gruesome thing to do.
This matter is similar to the argument "Pell being alive makes his sacrifice appear weak". Again, I agree that I would have prefered for the character to have died. BUT it doesn't mean that it does harm his sacrifice because the second he took the bomb and flew away he was ready to give away his life to protect everyone he cared for. This is the moment of action, the dramatic scene. What we find out later does by no means ruin a past experience.
That's why I don't get how Dias being alive has anything to do with spoiling the effect of a past experience. It simply is not possible physically.
Yes, but it spoils the effect of all future experiences. For a while now, anytime some character has been brutally wounded, I'm never worried at all. I know in the end, they won't die. Thus, when I saw the whole world noble abuse stuff, it didn't hit me as hard as it should, mainly because I knew the guy wasn't dead.
It's taken some of the suspense out of it for me, and in my opinion, is the one blemish on the entire One Piece story.
Yes, but it spoils the effect of all future experiences. For a while now, anytime some character has been brutally wounded, I'm never worried at all. I know in the end, they won't die. Thus, when I saw the whole world noble abuse stuff, it didn't hit me as hard as it should, mainly because I knew the guy wasn't dead.
Does death really make such a big difference in getting the point across that the Tenryubito are the worst scum on the face of the OP world? To me their success is secondary while their pure killing intent is primary in getting that point across.
Don't misunderstand me. Just like Greg I really stand against how death is handled in One Piece. But to me what we're discussing right now is a different matter. We're not discussing how silly death is handled in OP but how evil the Tenryubito are.
Does death really make such a big difference in getting the point across that the Tenryubito are the worst scum on the face of the OP world? To me their success is secondary while their pure killing intent is primary in getting that point across.
Don't misunderstand me. Just like Greg I really stand against how death is handled in One Piece. But to me what we're discussing right now is a different matter. We're not discussing how silly death is handled in OP but how evil the Tenryubito are.
It does and it doesn't. If killing was all that made you an evil person in the One Piece world, then Lucky Roux would be a stone-cold asshole:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/1/31/
I actually agree with you, Ivotas. It's not so much the act of killing/harming the person, it's the circumstances that it's done for. Would you consider the townspeople evil for throwing rocks at Conis for mocking Eneru? Of course not. Would you consider shooting someone in the back because "They walk too slow" scum? Absolutely. There's the difference.
Would you consider the townspeople evil for throwing rocks at Conis for mocking Eneru?
I would, if fear or loyalty bring you to violence on innocent/weak then it's pretty evil in a way. Plus [Samuel L. Jackson]THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELLLLL!!!!!![/Samuel L. Jackson
@Zik:
I would, if fear or loyalty bring you to violence on innocent/weak then it's pretty evil in a way. Plus [Samuel L. Jackson]THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELLLLL!!!!!![/Samuel L. Jackson[/quote]
To be considered evil a person must intentionally do something evil. This clearly is not the case for the townspeople who act because of fear and perhaps even because of the false impression that they are doing the right thing. I'd definitely fear them for that but I would never consider them to be evil.
Wait, how and why were the Tenryuubito supposed to be threatening by themselves? I thought the whole point of showing them kick, kill, and take whatever they want was to establish the fact that they were completely above the law; full immunity. I mean, that whole scene served the purpose of highlighting exactly what was said by Hachi the chapter before and setting up the consequence of interfering with the Tenryuubito: an Admiral from HQ. How was that "threat" lost in any way, shape, or form because Oda let someone who died live on via Easter Egg.
What Easter Egg are you talking about?
What Easter Egg are you talking about?
He's talking about the statement that Dias has been taken care off by Marines. I guess Brennen considers it as an Easter Egg because we don't really see on screen but rather just read about it in an brief unimportant sentance.
He's talking about the statement that Dias has been taken care off by Marines. I guess Brennen considers it as an Easter Egg because we don't really see on screen but rather just read about it in an brief unimportant sentence.
Ah, no. I was actually mixing up the two obvious deaths in those few chapters and their not having died. The Easter Egg that I was referring to was the guy who bit his tongue off at the AH and died. He was sneaked in to the happy-dance and then confirmed by Oda in this last SBS. My bad; I mixed up the two fellers.
So wait, the scene where the slave gets shot while no one does nothing was considered one of the worst chapters he ever wrote?
Dude, If some of the strongest people in the world were at this dicks beck and call, I would be scared shitless to do anything against him. If I was there? I would fcking beat the shit out of him if no one else did.
Then I would run like hell.
Ah, no. I was actually mixing up the two obvious deaths in those few chapters and their not having died. The Easter Egg that I was referring to was the guy who bit his tongue off at the AH and died. He was sneaked in to the happy-dance and then confirmed by Oda in this last SBS. My bad; I mixed up the two fellers.
My bad then. I already wondered why you considered the thing with Dias since it was part of the dialog. The thing with Lacuba however definitely is an Easter Egg.^^
The Reason:
It made them a farce.
I see a list of the horrible terrible things they did. Ultimately that behaviour makes them look like the bully in a Kindergarten class. Lots of passive aggressive anger brought out on those they think are below them. It's as if they stayed at that level and never grew up.
This would be threatening if they actually became a threat.
But apparently not…
Their detonation devices can't kill a person when it explodes on their NECK.
They can't kill someone who has just been rattled by an explosion with one of their kicks.
And they can't kill someone from TWO FEET with TWO GUNSHOTS.
To top it all off, their strange-ass breed of dog's urine isn't even acidic.
Here's the point I think most people think I don't accept, their actions are horrific. I agree. But are they 'dark'? Like I said, they're spoiled brats who are unaware of what they're doing. They don't think what they're doing is wrong, they simply believe that's the way it is. Even Ener knew what he was doing was 'evil' and he was batshit insane. So if you're going to make villains like this, that's AWESOME! I think that's totally cool, he did it somewhat with Spandam but this is like Spandam times infinity.
How did he show Spandam's cruelty DIRECTLY? I mean Spandam never directly killed anyone right? He made him beat THE EVER-LIVING out of a defenseless woman both physically and mentally. He did that on purpose for us so that we could hate the conniving prick if not already for his actions leading to Tom's supposed death.
Not the case here.
We've been shown they're incompetent and incapable of doing what they want which directly contrasts with what we were told pages before, they do whatever they want. Nasty people? Yep. But they can't do anything anyway so why be afraid of them?
That's why they're the biggest yawn in the series thus far for me.
Wait, is that in response to what I said? 'Cause if so, it missed the point. The whole point. (I don't think it was though). Rather than just Kindergarten bully, it's a Kindergarten bully who has a crooked cop of a dad who will kick your ass for the bully and then throw your ass in jail just for walking looking at said bully the wrong way. They themselves are not fearsome, and I never even was under the impression we should fear them. What we should fear is the consequence of screwing with them. Think of it like a 90-pound weakling with a pet lion. Do you fear the 90-pound weakling directly? No. Are you afraid to take action against him due to the possibility that he might send his hungry ferocious lion after you? Yeah. In this case we saw the aftermath and consequence of screwing with the Tenryuubito: Kizaru came and kicked everyone's ass without breaking a sweat. Luffy and Co. being the exception because they were puni'd by Kuma.
As far as connection to the fear factor goes I would agree the consequences are what creates fear…
But as for the darkish aura around them and the entire baw baw Tennryubito are comming effect...Knock knock who is there cause I know for sure the effect is not...
They are a laughing stock and I dont think Oda wanted them to be anything else from hated, and feared...
They are pathetic and a laughing stock as well...
Its how i see it anyway
Wait, is that in response to what I said?
No .
They are pathetic and a laughing stock as well…
extends right hand for firm shake
To be considered evil a person must intentionally do something evil. This clearly is not the case for the townspeople who act because of fear and perhaps even because of the false impression that they are doing the right thing. I'd definitely fear them for that but I would never consider them to be evil.
This solely depends on what you think to be evil. You see a group of ppl from afar stoning a girl to death. Is evil not afoot?
Rofl, Good point Greg.
The only scary thing about those bastards is the co-op they have with the Marines.
Not even their Non-Acidic Urinating Dog.
Wait, is that in response to what I said? 'Cause if so, it missed the point. The whole point. (I don't think it was though). Rather than just Kindergarten bully, it's a Kindergarten bully who has a crooked cop of a dad who will kick your ass for the bully and then throw your ass in jail just for walking looking at said bully the wrong way. They themselves are not fearsome, and I never even was under the impression we should fear them. What we should fear is the consequence of screwing with them. Think of it like a 90-pound weakling with a pet lion. Do you fear the 90-pound weakling directly? No. Are you afraid to take action against him due to the possibility that he might send his hungry ferocious lion after you? Yeah. In this case we saw the aftermath and consequence of screwing with the Tenryuubito: Kizaru came and kicked everyone's ass without breaking a sweat. Luffy and Co. being the exception because they were puni'd by Kuma.
Yes2..I think it is precisely that way…I is not the tenryubito that you should afraid... but the marine admiral that is always back them up, If you strip the marine off the tenryubito, then they will be just become a sitting duck for almost anybody who wants their wealth...