From what I can say, Ace will not die, death is rarely seen in One Piece, his life force on the Vivre Card is getting smaller and is about to be extinguished, that doesn't mean he's going to die. But it's only a matter of time if Ace will be able to be rescued from the brink of death, within six days. Now back to the topic, I don't think anyone will join as Luffy's nakama till the Fishman Island arc, though I speculate that a Fishman or a Mermaid will join his crew.
The next new Nakama? Part 2
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a mermaid is actually my favorite choice for a joining
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@Zik:
I really don't get that first part are you implying that Luggy will get to Ace before WB AND save him, and so Ace will join? And then WB might die anyway? lol.
No, I wasn't implying anything of that sort. I was saying that in this current situation, a newly-freed Ace going straight back to WB would be very hard. Ace is injured, we know that logia types can't erase wounds (Smoker's scar) and WB is locked in combat with the WG so getting through to him isn't really feasable (Mihawk, Doflamingo, BB etc. all blocking the direct route). I also pointed out that there's no guarentee that WB will survive this, so returning at all might be impossible. At the very least, Ace would have to travel with Luffy for a little while, even if he doesn't join up permanently. That is, if Luffy succeeds and rescues him.
Why do you guys keep downplaying Ace's loyalty to WB? In all honesty he isn't the best character and since he's not in the crew he doesn't have much development but if there's one thing that is clear is that Ace wants to make WB PK. Everything that has lead up to now is because he is loyal to WB. If he wasn't he could've just lied about going after BB or said he's not going to do it.
Ace is pretty popular and whilst he's not my favourite, he's certainly got a lot of potential for development considering his relatives, the mystery behind his differing name, his connection to WB etc. Loyalty to WB has driven Ace, sure, but One Piece is about dreams, the destruction of dreams and subsequent new dreams. Quite a few SHs have had dreams smashed or achieved before they've joined for themselves. We don't know what Ace wants for himself and if WB falls, we'll probably see that, which would be pretty interesting ^.^
I can't fathom a scenario where Ace says he wants to join or Luffy even asks him to join the crew whether WB dies or not.
I don't think he'd say it outright either. Ace is too proud and that's his weakness (and, well, narcolepsy). However, I think he'd say something like 'I'll travel with you' or do something like lead Luffy to the pirate summit and maybe after some development he'd be able to admit he wants to travel with Luffy. After all, Nami had to deal with other things before she became official, so did Robin.
Also if WB dies you know what type of effect that would have on Ace? being the cause of his captain's death? and just join your little brother's pirate crew as if things are okay? Ace wouldn't do that that'd just be terrible and show his true character. If he did do that hopefully the WB pirates hunt him down and kill him.
Were things okay for Nami and Robin when they joined? Hell, it took Zoro hundreds of chapters to change from "get in the way of my dreams and I'll kill you" to being prepared to sacrifice those dreams for the SHs. Things wouldn't be okay, but what else does Ace have?
Also I'm pretty confident that Luffy sees Ace as a rival and wouldn't want him on his crew anyway
Luffy sees Ace as a brother, not a rival. He loves Ace and Ace loves him. It's WB that's Luffy's rival, not Ace, but really, Luffy doesn't see rivals, he's so sure he's going to be the PK. The others who claim they'll get there before him are merely mistaken ^.^
A new character is obviously the most likely to join (a fishman or mermaid would be pretty interesting indeed) but that doesn't mean all other options are impossible. Robin was an established character before she joined, as was Franky.
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a mermaid is actually my favorite choice for a joining
Mine too. Personally, I want one in an exo-suit dressed in a tuxedo (the suit, not the mermaid) and powered by electric eels.
I'm hoping Hancock joins though, the crew could really use another powerful female character.
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I think Hancock may join, becos it takes time to cure love sickness, so she must be with Luffy for some time, let's say till one piece ends and everyone is going to go back home.
And it doesn't matter if her destination/dream isn't at Raftel or in new world, becos Brooks isn't and he still joined.
But i am kinda worried about sanji, if i understood right then he will turn in stone the second he will see her. :/
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I think, given the nature of Mermaids, a fishmaid would be best if Oda decides to go down that route. Wasn't it said that Fishman Island is spiritual or something to that effect? Maybe the Strawhats could pick up a Fishmaiden or a Mermaid priest/saga/pastor/shaman/etc.
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how would a priest/sage/pastor/shaman/etc. fight on one piece?
there are fishman martial arts, like fishman karate and goldfish swordship but i doubt Oda will use that
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how would a priest/sage/pastor/shaman/etc. fight on one piece?
there are fishman martial arts, like fishman karate and goldfish swordship but i doubt Oda will use that
I would assume that a holy like person would fight using martial arts that are unique to their order. That was only a suggestion on my part of a possible new crewmate. Every time I have tried to predict what was going to happen in One Piece I have been wrong. Totally, utterly wrong. One of the reasons I adore this comic.
As for my suggestion, I was just thinking about roles that are not currently filled on the ship, what roles would probably exist in the One Piece world, and what unique additions can be added to the crew. I would love to have a fishmaiden crewmate (something colorful like a lionfish fishmaiden; and if she's poisonious then that could be her fishing style right there, though it would probably be non-lethal poison), and if Fishman Island is a mystical sort of place that a fishmaiden (I want the next member to be a girl if you didn't already guess) priest/sage/pastor/shaman/etc. would make sense to me. But that's my thought processes on the matter.
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I would assume that a holy like person would fight using martial arts that are unique to their order. That was only a suggestion on my part of a possible new crewmate. Every time I have tried to predict what was going to happen in One Piece I have been wrong. Totally, utterly wrong. One of the reasons I adore this comic.
As for my suggestion, I was just thinking about roles that are not currently filled on the ship, what roles would probably exist in the One Piece world, and what unique additions can be added to the crew. I would love to have a fishmaiden crewmate (something colorful like a lionfish fishmaiden; and if she's poisonious then that could be her fishing style right there, though it would probably be non-lethal poison), and if Fishman Island is a mystical sort of place that a fishmaiden (I want the next member to be a girl if you didn't already guess) priest/sage/pastor/shaman/etc. would make sense to me. But that's my thought processes on the matter.
the next member will be a girl, thats for sure, there can be 2 or 3 men after she that join but the next one is a girl, ther are just too many boys on the crew, Thousand Sunny have just 2 bedrooms on 1 there are 7 guys and on the other one 2 girls, i think you get my point there without needing to explain
that poison thing is not half bad, like stun attacks, but still seems kinda like hancock petrify
there is not many jobs left to be fulfilled
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Oda planned to have their musician a female, so I'm sure hes thinking up of another female to join the crew.
I don't think it will be Boa. It'll have to be someone whos unknown in the world, so they can make their mark on the world along with the other SHs.
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**@Kuso:
Oda planned to have their musician a female**
where do you hear that?
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there is not many jobs left to be fulfilled
other than Helmsman there is not a single decent one leftWell, an archaeologist isn't really needed on a pirate crew, so the precedent is already there for positions that aren't a traditional part of sailor lore. So a new crewmate could theoretically be of any profession.
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Two more to go. I'm pretty sure a female will join.
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here there are some probable professions
helmsman
barrelmaker
sail`s sewer
dancer
painter
fishermost of them are lame i know
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Fishman for oceanographer.
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^wounldnt that be nami`s job, she is more than a navigator, she is a map maker too so well i dont think so
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So someone who can actually go underwater who could be like an advance scout and actually check out weird phenomina first-hand wouldn't be useful regardless? As Arlong said, Fishmen are second to none when it comes to gathering oceanic data, and it's a navigator's job to utilize it.
And if we're arguing from a job's perspective, that's really the only one I think of off the top of my head at the moment that a Fishman would be perfect for.
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Perhaps it'd be a quartermaster or something along those lines. I know that's usually part of the first mate's job but Zoro doesn't seem to be too concerned with organization.
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No, I wasn't implying anything of that sort. I was saying that in this current situation, a newly-freed Ace going straight back to WB would be very hard. Ace is injured, we know that logia types can't erase wounds (Smoker's scar) and WB is locked in combat with the WG so getting through to him isn't really feasable (Mihawk, Doflamingo, BB etc. all blocking the direct route). I also pointed out that there's no guarentee that WB will survive this, so returning at all might be impossible. At the very least, Ace would have to travel with Luffy for a little while, even if he doesn't join up permanently. That is, if Luffy succeeds and rescues him.
Well you must've missed the topic of the thread. It's not about who will join Luffy temporarily on some Vivi shit. It's about the next nakama. Even if WB died it doesn't stop Ace from going back to his crew. Him hanging with Luffy for awhile isn't what I'm talking about. In that case I'd only see him staying with Luffy until he made sure Luffy was safe and then leave to go help his crew. Given the gravity of the situation he may just say fuck it anyway and leave him.
Also you're still implying that somehow Luffy will get to Ace first and either free him or somehow Ace will be freed to be given the opportunity to stay with Luffy for awhile.
Loyalty to WB has driven Ace, sure, but One Piece is about dreams, the destruction of dreams and subsequent new dreams. Quite a few SHs have had dreams smashed or achieved before they've joined for themselves. We don't know what Ace wants for himself and if WB falls, we'll probably see that, which would be pretty interesting
What Oda had Zoro do at TB for Luffy, basically risking and to him atleast giving up his dream says the complete opposite. It's about dreams but what's the point if you sacrificed your honor, dignity, loylaty, etc. for it? If Zoro was willing to do that when Luffy's head was on the chopping block I expect Ace to do the same 100% since he's the one in danger and his captain is the one coming to save him. Ace outright changing his mind, becoming a SH, for his dream of all things, would not just be lame but make him a worse character.
I don't think he'd say it outright either. Ace is too proud and that's his weakness (and, well, narcolepsy). However, I think he'd say something like 'I'll travel with you' or do something like lead Luffy to the pirate summit and maybe after some development he'd be able to admit he wants to travel with Luffy. After all, Nami had to deal with other things before she became official, so did Robin.
So he'd join without saying he has joined? Nah doubt it. Ace wouldn't just say I'll tag along and just be with the crew until the end of the series ignoring his crew. Also the pirate summit is not a place, the correct translation is really a phrase. When he said that to Luffy he meant I'll see you at the top(amongst pirates), the elite, up there with the big/powerful name pirates. Ace would be such a fuckin lame for leavin his crew for Luffy's.
Were things okay for Nami and Robin when they joined? Hell, it took Zoro hundreds of chapters to change from "get in the way of my dreams and I'll kill you" to being prepared to sacrifice those dreams for the SHs. Things wouldn't be okay, but what else does Ace have?
None of those situations compare. What happened with Nami and Robin happened in their pasts and concluded in the present with Luffy. Ace went on a mission by his captain after one person he thought was his nakama killed his other nakama and then failed. When his crew went tto save him his captain dies? and then he joins his little brother's pirate crew? Abandoning his old crew? That's total bullshit. I don't even think if every WB pirate died that Ace would join Luffy's crew.
Luffy sees Ace as a brother, not a rival. He loves Ace and Ace loves him. It's WB that's Luffy's rival, not Ace, but really, Luffy doesn't see rivals, he's so sure he's going to be the PK. The others who claim they'll get there before him are merely mistaken ^.^
What you need to do is go back and read the chap where Ace meets Luffy at Alabasta. They talk about a couple things, Luffy comments on being confident in beating Ace now and how he use to lose to him in the past, Ace challenges him to meet him on the top where all the elite pirates are going after OP. When it comes to being pirates that brother;y love is not a factor. They do see each other as rivals when it comes to a pirate level. In life or death then you can bring it back in.
Case in point, Ace joining is unprobable and near impossible.
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So someone who can actually go underwater who could be like an advance scout and actually check out weird phenomina first-hand wouldn't be useful regardless? As Arlong said, Fishmen are second to none when it comes to gathering oceanic data, and it's a navigator's job to utilize it.
And if we're arguing from a job's perspective, that's really the only one I think of off the top of my head at the moment that a Fishman would be perfect for.
well the submarine is usefull for that too, and even if it only go down a little doesnt really matter much, why would nami or any navigator would need info from very deep, also Ray may give the submarine a special coating to go deeper and problem solve, i think a fishmaid or mermaid are very very good choices but i dont think that ünderwater scouting would be her actual job, just an extra
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here there are some probable professions
helmsman
barrelmaker
sail`s sewer
dancer
painter
fishermost of them are lame i know
Hmmm… these are professions that I could see happening:
Priest/Monk/Shaman/Holy Woman title
Dancer
Poet/Writer (someone who records the Strawhat's adventures)
Astronomer
Designer/Seamstress/Stylist (None of them work on their own but together and you have something)
Blacksmith (even given how skilled Franky and Usopp are, a specialist would be a great boon)
Tracker
Merchant
Seer/Mystic (different from a holy person in that they would be more concerned with fate and stuff like that as opposed to religion)All of these would add a new element to the crew or vastly strengthen one. I left off jobs such helmsmen and cooper since they seem entirely unneeded and lack the same kind of fun as the one's I've listed. I'm sure there's more that could be added; the sky's the limit and no matter what I'm sure the next crewmate will be a welcomed addition.
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I always liked the quartermaster idea with a character that's a great strategist/tactician.
Crossword makes the fishman oceanographer job sound more appealing. I didn't really recall any of what Arlong said about that and it makes the job way more useful than ppl think.
I still think it's kind of too generic since it'd be expected from a stereotypical viewpoint.
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Hmmm… these are professions that I could see happening:
Priest/Monk/Shaman/Holy Woman title
Dancer
Poet/Writer (someone who records the Strawhat's adventures)
Astronomer
Designer/Seamstress/Stylist (None of them work on their own but together and you have something)
Blacksmith (even given how skilled Franky and Usopp are, a specialist would be a great boon)
Tracker
Merchant
Seer/Mystic (different from a holy person in that they would be more concerned with fate and stuff like that as opposed to religion)All of these would add a new element to the crew or vastly strengthen one. I left off jobs such helmsmen and cooper since they seem entirely unneeded and lack the same kind of fun as the one's I've listed. I'm sure there's more that could be added; the sky's the limit and no matter what I'm sure the next crewmate will be a welcomed addition.
there are some good ones here but i have to say this first
why the hell would they need a merchant for, they are pirates!ok moving on, i think robin is more than capable of writing the SH story
i always thought that one day zoro`s sword will brake and then a master blacksmith will reforge it into a super badass sword, kinda like rave master or samurai X but having a blacksmith on the crew is really unlikely
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ok moving on, i think robin is more than capable of writing the SH story
Yeah, but her account would be flat and boring; she's a scholar after all, and they are not a group of people known for their thrilling narrative power. I would love a poet to join, someone who would immortalize the Strawhat crew's journey in the form of an epic to be passed down to future generations.
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I could see that, he/she sounds like he/she could be a really funny addition, like being similar to Usopp.
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there are some good ones here but i have to say this first why the hell would they need a merchant for, they are pirates!
Buggy is the only pirate in One Piece so shut up. Buggy is the only dude who pillages Luffy and other pirates don't pillage so they need a merchant to buy and sell stuffs and to make profit of course.
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I threatened Oda(I'll nuke him) to let Sengoku join the Straw Hat so he will be the next nakama.
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Priest/Monk/Shaman/Holy Woman title
Dancer
Poet/Writer (someone who records the Strawhat's adventures)
Astronomer
Designer/Seamstress/Stylist (None of them work on their own but together and you have something)
Blacksmith (even given how skilled Franky and Usopp are, a specialist would be a great boon)
Tracker
Merchant
Seer/Mystic (different from a holy person in that they would be more concerned with fate and stuff like that as opposed to religion)I could have just imagined Vivi being the dancer, lol.
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The only ones actually possible (from logical point) are astronomer,sail maker and blacksmith.Now when Mugivaras are going into the New World shoip-to ship battles may occur.If so,there is high chance of ripping sails.Someone must sew them because always using paddle dock hogs too much cola and making sails takes lotsa money and time.And you can never trust those spoiled merchants.
Blacksmiths (especially comprehensively skilled) are cool.
Astronomist may be like Robin-most likely he is unneeded,but if Luffy somehow destroys his home/career and he has unic and strong fighting style he may join.
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I concur, it is time for a very controversial comment:
! You spelled two words wrong. HAIL HITLER~!! HAIL GRAMMAR~!![hide]j/k j/k j/k[/hide]
You spelled heil wrong.
A manji is a Buddhist symbol. The Nazis took it and rotated it to get the iconic swastika.
Manji (note the square shape)
Swastika (note the diamond shape)The swastika is a hindu symbol.
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The swastika is a hindu symbol.
The hooked cross is actually one of the oldest symbols known to man whose origin are impossible to pin point. And the swastika is used in both religions.
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The hooked cross is actually one of the oldest symbols known to man whose origin are impossible to pin point. And the swastika is used in both religions.
I know it's used in both. However, they mean different things in different cultures. It's just plain wrong to claim that the nazi swastika was stolen from the manji, which signifies harmony (central concept in buddhism). A swastika represents prosperity, luck, victory and such things, which is exactly what's needed to unite a people. He wasn't trying to bring harmony to Germany.
The name if anything should give it away.
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You spelled heil wrong.
If I were German, yes. Since I am not, I do not use the German translated word. See a dictionary.
[hide]Furthermore, here is the reference for heil, and if you follow the link on the page you can see that Sieg Heil means "Hail Victory". I admit it would have been more in-character of me to use heil though, since I was using Hitler and being a Nazi as a joke. Either way, you spoiled the humor in trying to find the irony that technically wasn't there.[/hide]
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wow this really went far offtopic just for a little controversial comment
here is another one
the reason why Hancock will never again kick a little inocent animal is cause…! PETA will strike back next time
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If she dosen't act spoilt, her character is ruined. Unless to Luffy, he's a exception.
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wow this really went far offtopic just for a little controversial comment
here is another one
the reason why Hancock will never again kick a little inocent animal is cause…! PETA will strike back next time
Here's the reason why Hancock will forever go on kicking cute little animals:
! It's hilarious! Amazing how that has become part of her charm.
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And it doesn't reflect poorly on her character at all? Not even a smidge? As I've said before, I feel that putting put a strong front and acting like a conceded bitch are two separate things entirely.
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@Zik:
Well you must've missed the topic of the thread. It's not about who will join Luffy temporarily on some Vivi shit. It's about the next nakama. Even if WB died it doesn't stop Ace from going back to his crew. Him hanging with Luffy for awhile isn't what I'm talking about. In that case I'd only see him staying with Luffy until he made sure Luffy was safe and then leave to go help his crew. Given the gravity of the situation he may just say fuck it anyway and leave him.
No need to be rude or agressive. I don't believe I was either, so calm down.
Vivi's considered an honourary SH (even if she's my least favourite character and I wish she wasn't), so if Ace hung around for a while as she did, he'd still be nakama.
All the same, if WB dies but the crew's still around, I guess Ace could take his place (or Marco's, if Marco survives). That's a perfectly viable option and one fully fitting of the D. line. The thing is, Ace couldn't physically leave as soon as he was pulled from his cell and if he couldn't get past BB before, how would he manage now, injured as he is, against not just BB but Mihawk, Doflamingo and the others blocking his way to WB?
Also you're still implying that somehow Luffy will get to Ace first and either free him or somehow Ace will be freed to be given the opportunity to stay with Luffy for awhile.
Luffy will get to Ace first. Well, I suppose Shanks might beat both Luffy and WB there (we still need to know what happened to him after the WB confrontation?) but that's unlikely. Even then, Luffy won't be far behind.
What Oda had Zoro do at TB for Luffy, basically risking and to him atleast giving up his dream says the complete opposite. It's about dreams but what's the point if you sacrificed your honor, dignity, loylaty, etc. for it? If Zoro was willing to do that when Luffy's head was on the chopping block I expect Ace to do the same 100% since he's the one in danger and his captain is the one coming to save him. Ace outright changing his mind, becoming a SH, for his dream of all things, would not just be lame but make him a worse character.
Nami has no honour or dignity (Yay! Greed ^.^). Loyalty's a massive issue, I'll give you that but Zoro began as someone who's dreams were more important than anyone's life and now he's evolved as a character.
If Ace did join the crew on a permanent basis, I'd expect it to be because of outside influence. Shanks maybe, perhaps Whitebeard himself or even Garp.
So he'd join without saying he has joined? Nah doubt it. Ace wouldn't just say I'll tag along and just be with the crew until the end of the series ignoring his crew. Also the pirate summit is not a place, the correct translation is really a phrase. When he said that to Luffy he meant I'll see you at the top(amongst pirates), the elite, up there with the big/powerful name pirates. Ace would be such a fuckin lame for leavin his crew for Luffy's.
I got the impression that the pirate summit wasn't a place but a meeting of the best. Summit can mean 'a meeting of heads or governments' and the 'pirate' prefix implies that.
None of those situations compare. What happened with Nami and Robin happened in their pasts and concluded in the present with Luffy. Ace went on a mission by his captain after one person he thought was his nakama killed his other nakama and then failed. When his crew went tto save him his captain dies? and then he joins his little brother's pirate crew? Abandoning his old crew? That's total bullshit. I don't even think if every WB pirate died that Ace would join Luffy's crew.
What happened in their pasts concluded in the present? Erm. We're dealing with Ace's present at the moment so it's too early to dismiss all similarities since it all rides on the conclusion we don't have yet. It's pretty similar to Robin's at the moment (but, well, rescue arcs often have that same feel anyways). Hell, for all we know, WB could have been using Ace as an excuse to attack the WG directly. There's definitely more to the situation than is straightforward… Oda always has tricks up his sleeve~
And you don't have to abandon one group of people to travel with another. The SHs didn't abandon Vivi, she just had something she needed to do. Franky didn't abandon his family, he just went to achieve his dream. We know that Ace's dream is either going to be smashed totally, or change because we know Luffy's going to wind up PK. Say, for instance, if after the dust settles, BB breaks off from the shichis towards OP and WB's fleet is left devastated, in need of regroup, WB could order Ace after BB again and since Luffy's heading that way (and Ace would need support)...
What you need to do is go back and read the chap where Ace meets Luffy at Alabasta. They talk about a couple things, Luffy comments on being confident in beating Ace now and how he use to lose to him in the past, Ace challenges him to meet him on the top where all the elite pirates are going after OP. When it comes to being pirates that brother;y love is not a factor. They do see each other as rivals when it comes to a pirate level. In life or death then you can bring it back in.
Ace does not see Luffy as a rival. One of the first things he did when he first ran into his little brother again was to invite Luffy to join the WB pirates. Luffy doesn't really seem all too bothered when he finds out that Ace has a DF power and thus, is likely still stronger than him either. If anything, he's even more excited.
It's likely that Ace will travel with them for a while but I'd be the first one to admit it's unlikely he'd stay on until the end. However, it's not impossible and it could be interesting (but well, Oda can make anything interesting ^.^). There aren't too many others I'd like to see join at the moment. I don't particularly like Hancock as an option (especially not if she stays lovestruck) and I don't think the other Kuja's have even a sliver of a chance. Still, someone new could work but there aren't many positions that need filling. A logia DF user, or something like a fishman or mermaid could be cool though.
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Ace joining the strawhats would totally destroy his character!!
He's luffys cool older brother who shows up every now and again! if he becomes a strawhat he'll hav to take orders from his younger brother! that is not cool!
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Ace joining the strawhats would totally destroy his character!!
He's Luffy's cool older brother who shows up every now and again! If he becomes a strawhat, he'll have to take orders from his younger brother! That is not cool!
Every word of this is truth.
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Taking orders from a younger brother is a hell no.
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Regarding Ace, if somehow Whitebeard actually did die I would see Ace joining Shank's crew as opposed to Luffy's. Definitely Shank's over Luffy's. I also don't see him taking over the Whitebeard Pirates or following anyone who did. But that's how I see it.
And it doesn't reflect poorly on her character at all? Not even a smidge? As I've said before, I feel that putting put a strong front and acting like a conceded bitch are two separate things entirely.
If we were to start counting the Strawhat's (numerous) flaws against them then the fandom would be dominated by people waiting for them to die. Horribly. Yes, Hancock has some very apparent character flaws, but they are part of her charm and set her apart from some doe eyed fangirl.
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Vivi's considered an honourary SH (even if she's my least favourite character and I wish she wasn't), so if Ace hung around for a while as she did, he'd still be nakama.
Nah, he can't be WB's nakama and Luffy's nakama at the same time.
Luffy will get to Ace first. Well, I suppose Shanks might beat both Luffy and WB there (we still need to know what happened to him after the WB confrontation?) but that's unlikely. Even then, Luffy won't be far behind.
Your opinion. I don't see what Shanks has to do with anything I was talking about.
Nami has no honour or dignity (Yay! Greed ^.^). Loyalty's a massive issue, I'll give you that but Zoro began as someone who's dreams were more important than anyone's life and now he's evolved as a character.
Yes she does. Go look up those words just in case you don't know what they mean. If you put Nami in Zoro's position at TB she'd do the same thing for the most part, that's what I'm talking about in regards to honor and dignity.
If Ace did join the crew on a permanent basis, I'd expect it to be because of outside influence. Shanks maybe, perhaps Whitebeard himself or even Garp.
Stop with the ridiculous speculation, what makes you think Shanks or Garp has any say in what crew Ace joins? I mean Garp? really? Also I don't see WB ever doing something so absurd.
I got the impression that the pirate summit wasn't a place but a meeting of the best. Summit can mean 'a meeting of heads or governments' and the 'pirate' prefix implies that.
Nah it's not. It's already been discussed and settled what that translation means. It is not a meeting of any sort, it's a figure of speech. "I'll see you at the top" Go see the raw and then read Stephen's translations to see what it means. The word summit is interchangeable with being at the peak, zenith, etc. The "pirate" part specifies the category. It is not a place where the best pirates will meet. That mistranslation has widely confused many OP fans in to thinking the pirate summit Ace was talking about is some place where pirates meet and it is not.
Hell, for all we know, WB could have been using Ace as an excuse to attack the WG directly. There's definitely more to the situation than is straightforward… Oda always has tricks up his sleeve~
From the one instance we saw WB I'm gonna say that can not be the main reason he's doing this. He calls all of his nakama his sons. The main reason he's going after Ace is because of that. Whether Oda gives WB an ulterior motive it won't trump saving Ace.
And you don't have to abandon one group of people to travel with another. The SHs didn't abandon Vivi, she just had something she needed to do. Franky didn't abandon his family, he just went to achieve his dream. We know that Ace's dream is either going to be smashed totally, or change because we know Luffy's going to wind up PK. Say, for instance, if after the dust settles, BB breaks off from the shichis towards OP and WB's fleet is left devastated, in need of regroup, WB could order Ace after BB again and since Luffy's heading that way (and Ace would need support)…
These are horrible examples. Ace is a WB pirate, if he joins the SHs in the scenario where WB dies and many other of his nakama he would be abandoning them. Vivi is a princess of a kingdom who got help from the SHs. She was not part of their crew and was not part of a pirate crew prior to that. I don't even understand what you're saying about the SHs abandoning Vivi when they were the ones who wanted her to join, they did not leave her to go hang out with someone else.
Franky HAD to leave since if he stayed with his family his bounty would bring them unnecessary problems from marines. That was the underlying main reason that pushed Franky to join. He always had that dream.
As for the other stuff you're saying that won't matter if Ace dies. Even if he does live guess what he will just have to deal with the fact that he failed in making WB king. You seem to think Oda will make him a bigger character than he already is.
Ace does not see Luffy as a rival.
Yes he does right after Luffy declined the offer, Ace made it pretty clear that he'd make WB PK and won't mind fighting his crew to do it.
Luffy doesn't really seem all too bothered when he finds out that Ace has a DF power and thus, is likely still stronger than him either. If anything, he's even more excited.
Yea exactly, excited to finally beat his brother who always whooped his ass in the past. You just proved that Luffy sees Ace as a rival, atleast we're half way there.
It's likely that Ace will travel with them for a while but I'd be the first one to admit it's unlikely he'd stay on until the end.
No it's not, that's your opinion. It is not likely at all currently. He won't travel with Luffy and the rest of the crew and when it's official I hope you realize how subjective your thinking was.
There aren't too many others I'd like to see join at the moment. I don't particularly like Hancock as an option (especially not if she stays lovestruck) and I don't think the other Kuja's have even a sliver of a chance. Still, someone new could work but there aren't many positions that need filling. A logia DF user, or something like a fishman or mermaid could be cool though.
If it's not gonna be Marge in the near future the next two nakama for the SHs are highly likely to be NEW characters that we have not seen before.
So Ace will not join the crew in anyway and there's no real chance of it happening imo.
Hmm nice to see other ppl see the logic in Ace not joining….......
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@Zik:
Nah, he can't be WB's nakama and Luffy's nakama at the same time.
Your opinion. I don't see what Shanks has to do with anything I was talking about.
Yes she does. Go look up those words just in case you don't know what they mean. If you put Nami in Zoro's position at TB she'd do the same thing for the most part, that's what I'm talking about in regards to honor and dignity.
Stop with the ridiculous speculation, what makes you think Shanks or Garp has any say in what crew Ace joins? I mean Garp? really? Also I don't see WB ever doing something so absurd.
Nah it's not. It's already been discussed and settled what that translation means. It is not a meeting of any sort, it's a figure of speech. "I'll see you at the top" Go see the raw and then read Stephen's translations to see what it means. The word summit is interchangeable with being at the peak, zenith, etc. The "pirate" part specifies the category. It is not a place where the best pirates will meet. That mistranslation has widely confused many OP fans in to thinking the pirate summit Ace was talking about is some place where pirates meet and it is not.
From the one instance we saw WB I'm gonna say that can not be the main reason he's doing this. He calls all of his nakama his sons. The main reason he's going after Ace is because of that. Whether Oda gives WB an ulterior motive it won't trump saving Ace.
These are horrible examples. Ace is a WB pirate, if he joins the SHs in the scenario where WB dies and many other of his nakama he would be abandoning them. Vivi is a princess of a kingdom who got help from the SHs. She was not part of their crew and was not part of a pirate crew prior to that. I don't even understand what you're saying about the SHs abandoning Vivi when they were the ones who wanted her to join, they did not leave her to go hang out with someone else.Franky HAD to leave since if he stayed with his family his bounty would bring them unnecessary problems from marines. That was the underlying main reason that pushed Franky to join. He always had that dream.
As for the other stuff you're saying that won't matter if Ace dies. Even if he does live guess what he will just have to deal with the fact that he failed in making WB king. You seem to think Oda will make him a bigger character than he already is.
Yes he does right after Luffy declined the offer, Ace made it pretty clear that he'd make WB PK and won't mind fighting his crew to do it.
Yea exactly, excited to finally beat his brother who always whooped his ass in the past. You just proved that Luffy sees Ace as a rival, atleast we're half way there.
No it's not, that's your opinion. It is not likely at all currently. He won't travel with Luffy and the rest of the crew and when it's official I hope you realize how subjective your thinking was.
If it's not gonna be Marge in the near future the next two nakama for the SHs are highly likely to be NEW characters that we have not seen before.So Ace will not join the crew in anyway and there's no real chance of it happening imo.
Hmm nice to see other ppl see the logic in Ace not joining….......
You know that Ace isn't going to join? So you must be Oda right? Because you'd have to be to know for sure. We don't know what Oda has in store for Ace or for anything. He's going to do whatever he wants. I do think that Ace won't join but it's not set in stone. Anything could happen!
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You know that Ace isn't going to join? So you must be Oda right? Because you'd have to be to know for sure. We don't know what Oda has in store for Ace or for anything. He's going to do whatever he wants. I do think that Ace won't join but it's not set in stone. Anything could happen!
Do you know what imo means?
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@Zik:
Do you know what imo means?
Yes but you were stating your opinions as though they're facts, IMO. You were a tad over confident that Ace won't join and I'm telling you that anything can happen. And now I'm done. I don't wanna keep bickering.
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Yes but you were stating your opinions as though they're facts, IMO. You were a tad over confident that Ace won't join and I'm telling you that anything can happen. And now I'm done. I don't wanna keep bickering.
Well then your opinion is wrong. I can be over confident if I want to cuz I don't think he will join. I've considered it and now see it as an impossibility. I also don't think Oda would do that given how he's written Ace's character.
Besides all that I think Ace will die so it's pretty much a no on him joining.
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@Zik:
Well then your opinion is wrong. I can be over confident if I want to cuz I don't think he will join. I've considered it and now see it as an impossibility. I also don't think Oda would do that given how he's written Ace's character.
Besides all that I think Ace will die so it's pretty much a no on him joining.
I understand your argument for Ace not joining, and I agree, but you realise you're just being an ass in this post, right?
I mean, I felt the same way about Margaret, and was still shot, stabbed, and burned for expressing my opinion. I didn't even express it as strongly as you have.
Marg had a great chance of joining before Luffy heard Boa's story. Now it's either Boa or a new character. It depends on how she acts in Impel Down.
So either her, or no one.
…Strange how in all these wacky speculations, no one's thought of one of the OTHER Strawhats bringing in a new nakama... it's not impossible, just there are no candidates yet, cause we haven't seen anyone specific (no names).