View Poll Results: Is Yamato joining the crew?

Voters
138. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    112 81.16%
  • No

    26 18.84%
+ Reply to Thread
Page 8 of 46 FirstFirst ... 6 7 8 9 10 18 ... LastLast
Results 141 to 160 of 920

Thread: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

  1. #141

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    Yamato being tied to Ace is not an afterthought.

    It means one of two outcomes happens.

    Either Yamato is now on Ace and Sabo's level as another brother to Luffy and will be major important character for the rest of the story. IE meaning they are not staying on fucking Wano.

    Or he is joining Luffy as a nice cap ender of the crew with major relation points to one of the few people who matters to Luffy the most.

    Like there really is no question that Yamato is not staying on Wano. People need to get this through their thick skulls. It's fanfiction level nonsense.


    Edit: But also side point? The WG is gonna have Wano is their hands at the end of the arc, they will not stand for a child of Kaido being on the payroll. Like not at all.
    Only two outcomes? No surprise outcomes??

    Yamato is not remotely close to being Luffy's brother. By that logic, Tama is Luffy's "sister" because of the Ace connection.

    Jinbe has the Ace connection and shared his blood with Luffy making them blood brothers. That is a deeper connection.

    It may be possible that Yamato stays in Wano for now, then leaves with Momonosuke later in the series.That doesn't go against Yamato going out to sea. Yamato does not have to leave with Luffy.

    So are you saying the WG is going to takeover Wano right after the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance fought for Wano's freedom? To go from Orochi/Kaido 20 year ruling to a WG's ruling makes this struggle seem pointless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    I'm not sure this matters. Like why? Is it really some unwritten thing?

    Most are brought up either by name or a want of their position. Well Roger didn't know he'd need a poneglyph translator his first go around and then he went and found Oden hoping he was the guy. Yamato is going around proclaiming to be Oden, well now Luffy us getting one.
    Oda has shown a plethora of foreshadowing throughout the series. It's a norm. Yamato not being alluded to by name or position until Wano does not follow how SH crewmates were introduced.

    Luffy has Robin to be his Poneglyph translator. Luffy doesn't want/need an "Oden" for that role.
    LOL

    Yamato's Ace connection is the reason why Luffy even stopped and listened to him.
    So? Luffy listened to Tama first and made requested to leave with Luffy. Marco knew Ace. Doesn't mean Marco is joining though he may travel with the SHs. I want more Payback War exposition.
    You could just wait. Could end up being way more simple.
    Or not anything at all. From past SH recruitment crewmate experiences, their position is either obvious or hinted. Yamato's position is not obvious so there should be examples of hints.
    Yamato never said he wanted to follow someone who was more like Oden than him.

    Also dont think you fully get what Yamato likes about Oden or what he identifies with when it comes to Oden's story. Momo is not more "Oden" than Luffy.
    Please explain then.
    Don't get the question about if Yamato can be Oden and go out to sea. He asked Luffy specifically to leave on his ship after they beat Kaido. Oden went out to sea alone first then had a family along the way. Exactly why can't Yamato go out to sea?
    Let me rephrase. The question should be can Yamato be a crewmate on the Sunny and still keep the Oden shtick? If Luffy is more Oden than Yamato, can the crew have 2 Odens? Does Zoro having Oden's Sword Enma encroach on Yamato's diversity among the crew? Is it a good shtick that will keep the audience entertained?

    Let's say that doesn't matter. Yamato asked to leave with Luffy not Luffy asking Yamato to join. This request may be denied.

    Let's say Yamato successfully invites themself leaving Wano with Luffy. But it is not a sure thing that Yamato would be a crewmate if Yamato got on the Sunny. Luffy has yet to show special interest in Yamato. Luffy already said Caribou can come so why not Yamato??

    It's circumstantial. Yamato was shackled because Yamato kept proclaiming to Kaido "I am Oden." Years pass then Yamato wanted to travel with Ace but was still shackled. Since Ace died, Yamato decided to travel with Ace's brother Luffy after being freed from the bomb shackles. Who Yamato travels with is not now set in stone as circumstances change. A circumstance like Yamato finding out all these years that the Kozuki bloodline still exists. Momo must not die and Yamato can protect Momo.
    Don't see how any of this is being like Oden.

    When did Oden marry an 8 year old in an adult's body? Then form a mighty military?

    The rest really doesn't have to involve Yamato at all. Besides it seems the world gov. via CP0 already know Momo is Oden's son and has Vegapunk's created copy of the dragon devil fruit.
    That is not what was meant to be implied. Momo is growing up physically and mentally too with all the hardships he has experienced. How long do you expect Momo to remain a child mentally being the future Shogun?

    Yamato as Momo's wife means Yamato's children will be Kozuki descendants. Yamato would be more related to Oden and take on the Kozuki surname. Yamato can be like Oden by traveling with the Kozuki family.

    Does the WG expect the two fighting armies to combine after the battle is over? I doubt it. They probably expect to decimate the remaining few of the Alliance side if/when they win. They won't attack if the Beast Pirates win. Wano ending under the WG seems like a terrible ending to this saga. The Guardian Deities of Wano should protect against the WG. Who is the leader of the Beast Pirates if no Kaido, Allstars, or Topi Roppo? Yamato would be my guess. This combination of armies may be enough to dissuade the WG invasion.
    Bounty: 382M Quirks: High Places | Garchu
    Roles: Ship Guard | Ship's Cat | Lookout
    Clues: Ch 175 | Statue | Foxy Flag | Paw DF
    Dreams: Travel w/ PK | The Dawn
    Survival: Moon Resurrection | Will of P

  2. #142

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Oda directly stated that Momonosuke has the mind of a child. I don't think there's any chance he'll wed Momonosuke to anyone in the present.

  3. #143
    Omne ignotum pro magnifico Zik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    In the slums of heaven... I'm renting out a condo in hell though.

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Berry Rich View Post

    Oda has shown a plethora of foreshadowing throughout the series. It's a norm. Yamato not being alluded to by name or position until Wano does not follow how SH crewmates were introduced.
    Just like I said about the Oden parallel to Yamato, he wasn't foreshadowed. Oda didn't have a plethora of foreshadowing for that. Before Oden, you all thought Roger could read the poneglyph cuz he could hear the voice of all things.

    So yeah same way Oden just popped and got his story delved in to, same can happen with Yamato as he joins.

    Luffy has Robin to be his Poneglyph translator. Luffy doesn't want/need an "Oden" for that role.
    Oden became more than just a translator to the Roger pirates.

    So? Luffy listened to Tama first and made requested to leave with Luffy.
    Why does this matter? We're talking about Yamato.
    Marco knew Ace. Doesn't mean Marco is joining though he may travel with the SHs.
    Nobody has ever said if a character knew Ace that means they're joining the crew.

    You pretending like Yamato's connection to Ace is an afterthought given what Ace has meant to Yamato and Luffy is ridiculous though.


    Or not anything at all. From past SH recruitment crewmate experiences, their position is either obvious or hinted. Yamato's position is not obvious so there should be examples of hints.
    Then maybe you're not paying attention to the hints?

    I mean its not like a ton of ppl knew what Robin's importance to the story would be at all. She was an archeologist and assassin. Those are not ship positions.

    Then there's Jimbe but I'm sure you saw all the hints of a helmsman back during Impel Down and Marineford as they sailed in one direction.

    Please explain then.
    Its pretty simple if you look at the parallels and their stories. Both were trapped in a place they wanted to leave. Both wanted to explore the world and go on adventures. Oden eventually got to do that. Then came back to his homeland and chose a new path in opening the countries borders. Yamato admires all of that to an extreme extent given his loneliness to the point that after seeing how Oden died he wanted to be him. So like Oden, Yamato wanted to be free, go on adventures, etc. but he also wanted to complete/achieve what Oden couldn't in opening Wano's borders. His initial plan was to leave, go on adventures, and like he swore to the samurai return to Wano in 20 years like Oden said and help drive Kaido out of Wano. Instead he was trapped there for all that time but he still plans to free Wano and then do what he couldn't before, go on adventures and explore the world like Oden did.

    Momo isn't like his father. He's barely right now got the confidence to stand up to Kaido and do things on his own. He needs to be chastised in to it by Luffy and Yamato.

    Luffy obviously is a bit more like Oden in that he does what he wants, is free, and has pretty much been doing all the things Oden did as WB and Roger pirate.

    This honestly probably shouldnt have to be explained if you're paying attention to that rather large part of the story.

    Let me rephrase. The question should be can Yamato be a crewmate on the Sunny and still keep the Oden shtick?
    Yeah, its just a gag at this point.

    If Luffy is more Oden than Yamato, can the crew have 2 Odens?
    Just cuz Yamato said Luffy is mire Oden than him doesn't mean Luffy is Oden.

    Its really not making sense why you would actually think that.
    Does Zoro having Oden's Sword Enma encroach on Yamato's diversity among the crew?
    Why would it? Yamato isn't a swordsman. He isn't a collector of all things Oden. What does Oden's sword being in Zoro's possession have to do with his diversity?

    It doesn't really make sense to me.

    Is it a good shtick that will keep the audience entertained?
    I don't think this matters at all.

    It only matters if Oda wants to keep doing it. If he does then the character will. Plenty of the audience are not entertained by Sanji perving out on women or Brook asking to see women's panties or Sanji's reaction to okama but Oda keeps doing it and those seem to be 3 things he'll never stop using as jokes. Just like Zoro's poor direction.

    Let's say that doesn't matter. Yamato asked to leave with Luffy not Luffy asking Yamato to join. This request may be denied.
    Sure.

    Just like all the other times Luffy denied ppl from sailing with him

    Let's say Yamato successfully invites themself leaving Wano with Luffy. But it is not a sure thing that Yamato would be a crewmate if Yamato got on the Sunny. Luffy has yet to show special interest in Yamato. Luffy already said Caribou can come so why not Yamato??
    Its okay if you think this.

    It's circumstantial. Yamato was shackled because Yamato kept proclaiming to Kaido "I am Oden." Years pass then Yamato wanted to travel with Ace but was still shackled. Since Ace died, Yamato decided to travel with Ace's brother Luffy after being freed from the bomb shackles. Who Yamato travels with is not now set in stone as circumstances change. A circumstance like Yamato finding out all these years that the Kozuki bloodline still exists. Momo must not die and Yamato can protect Momo.
    You're leaving out parts of the story. Yamato was interested in Luffy once Ace started telling stories about him to Yamato.

    Momo isn't going to die and he doesn't need Yamato's protection.

    That is not what was meant to be implied. Momo is growing up physically and mentally too with all the hardships he has experienced. How long do you expect Momo to remain a child mentally being the future Shogun?
    At least 10 years where he would then mentally be 18.

    I'm sure he'll try to act older than he is but he's still a kid.

    And I do not see Yamato falling in love with a child. That's pretty much pedophilia.

    Yamato as Momo's wife means Yamato's children will be Kozuki descendants. Yamato would be more related to Oden and take on the Kozuki surname. Yamato can be like Oden by traveling with the Kozuki family.
    Yeah, no.

    Yamato doesnt need to have sex with a child in a man's body and have his children ti be like Oden.

    That's really not what Oda was going for by having Yamato say he wants to be Oden.

    Lest we not forget Yamato assumed the gender role of a man to be more like Oden. Oden never got pregnant and had children so Yamato won't.

    Does the WG expect the two fighting armies to combine after the battle is over? I doubt it.
    Never said they did.

    They probably expect to decimate the remaining few of the Alliance side if/when they win.
    They'll lose.
    They won't attack if the Beast Pirates win. Wano ending under the WG seems like a terrible ending to this saga.
    Who said thats going to happen?

    It's not.

    The Guardian Deities of Wano should protect against the WG.
    Why not the ppl of Wano? The samurai? The ninja?

    Plenty allies around to fight if that's what the WG want to do.
    Who is the leader of the Beast Pirates if no Kaido, Allstars, or Topi Roppo?
    Its Kaido. Even if he loses he's still the leader.
    Yamato would be my guess. This combination of armies may be enough to dissuade the WG invasion.
    This would be a terrible guess.

    Yamato does not become the de facto leader of a pirate crew he isn't even a part of. Especially after beating them all up all night.

    Also you forget about the Big Mom pirates. Those WG ships will be lucky to make it to Wano.
    Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
    Last.fm

  4. #144

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Not quite sure why people think Yamato being more powerful than Zoro/Sanji will somehow stay that way if he ends up joining.

    Based on the story as a whole, Zoro and Sanji are both on expontential levels of growth, right behind Luffy. More recent newcomers like Jinbe and Yamato would even out the way Robin does, where they're extremely powerful characters, but not matching the same rate of power growth that the mainline Strawhats will in the overall story. Sanji getting the recent 'power up' and Zoro displaying further new abilities and getting new swords are examples of how they're going to surpass everyone else and stay within the 'Monster trio' scale, even if Oda ends up adding literal Yonko as crewmates. They're going to trail right behind Luffy, since they are now formally labeled as the 'Wings'.

  5. #145

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Syphin View Post
    So for those that have some belief in the possibility of Yamato becoming a Straw Hat Pirate, when do you expect him to join? At the end of the Wano Arc? Or in a future arc?
    End of the arc. They delayed Jinbe's party for a reason, we're not going to get a hold on that.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Quote Originally Posted by Berry Rich View Post
    Yamato not being alluded to by name or position until Wano does not follow how SH crewmates were introduced.
    What was the foreshadowing for Usopp? Or Robin? Heck, Vivi is an unnofficial strawhat and we know as a matter of record Oda made her up on the spot. (also all the Supernovas, including Law)

    Cook, doctor, shipwright, musician are jobs they picked out in advance and actively hunted for. They never hunted for an archeologist or a helmsman (or a navigator for that matter.) Everyone else they've just met as they've gone. Even Jinbe's weird decade long case they didn't specify a need for a helmsman until after he already joined.
    Last edited by Robby; October 19th, 2021 at 08:53 PM.
    To support Viz hosting all Jump manga for FREE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
    https://www.viz.com/shonenjump

    Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
    Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version, and just discuss those releases in the spoiler thread.

  6. #146
    Discovered Stowaway Dorobō Neko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Maryland

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Berry Rich View Post
    Only two outcomes? No surprise outcomes??
    Yes.

    Yamato is not remotely close to being Luffy's brother. By that logic, Tama is Luffy's "sister" because of the Ace connection.
    Then he will be a crew member. Also they do not have the same connection. You do get how not all connections are the same right?

    Jinbe has the Ace connection and shared his blood with Luffy making them blood brothers. That is a deeper connection.
    So you do get there are more meaningful connections. And Yamato drank with Ace. The deepest connection Luffy had with Ace was their Peach Garden Promise. The blood oath matters a ton for Luffy and Jinbe. But Yamato being this close to Ace? There has to be a point. Either brother or crew member. And it's most likely crew member.

    Yamato does not have to leave with Luffy.
    Kind of does after saying he will.

    So are you saying the WG is going to takeover Wano right after the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance fought for Wano's freedom? To go from Orochi/Kaido 20 year ruling to a WG's ruling makes this struggle seem pointless.
    The WG will treat them better but you better believe they will be part of the WG after this arc. Open boarders means they will join the WG in some form.

  7. #147

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Remember, the World Government is not inherently an evil thing. It promotes trade and offers marine protection, and most of the world is under it.

    Now, some of the people at the top are awful and need to be taken down, and a handful of marines are terrible and corrupt, but the thing, as a whole, is not bad. Drum is part of the world government! So is Alabasta! And every character's hometown! Fishman Island's entire ambition is to fairly and completely join it, as equals, after all.

    Heck, when was the last time we had the marines as actual *villains* doing wrongs? Chasing down pirates and thus being against our heroes specifically doesn't count. So no, Aikanu killing Ace is not evil. Nuking Ohara with a buster call? Well that's definitely not a good thing.

    The last outright corrupt evil marine that was terrorizing innocent people purely for the sake of it we had was... Axe hand Morgan?

    ALSO keep in mind that, whatever issues the world government has... Luffy is going to find One Peice and start the great war within a few weeks or months. Whatever problems there are with bad people in charge? Will be taken care of inside of year.

    Joining the world government is not inherently bad. Aside from whatever messed up thing the 19 kings did 800 years ago that Alabasta refused to join in on.
    To support Viz hosting all Jump manga for FREE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
    https://www.viz.com/shonenjump

    Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
    Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version, and just discuss those releases in the spoiler thread.

  8. #148
    Discovered Stowaway Dorobō Neko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Maryland

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    And part of joining the WG is.... giving up pirates. Clearly Momo won't give Luffy up, he will give him and all the helpful pirates time to escape.

    And yes, Yamato won't get to stay on Wano at the end of the arc due to this along with his want of SAILING WITH LUFFY! No matter how many people keep pushing that nonsense of him staying on the island.

  9. #149

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    How will the Marines coming effect the giant party Luffy wanted to have?

  10. #150

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    And part of joining the WG is.... giving up pirates. Clearly Momo won't give Luffy up, he will give him and all the helpful pirates time to escape.
    In like a month in-universe everyhthing is going to be shaken up anyway. It'll take time for official negotiations to enter the WG, by the time they do the great war will have happened.
    To support Viz hosting all Jump manga for FREE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
    https://www.viz.com/shonenjump

    Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
    Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version, and just discuss those releases in the spoiler thread.

  11. #151

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Remember, the World Government is not inherently an evil thing. It promotes trade and offers marine protection, and most of the world is under it.

    Now, some of the people at the top are awful and need to be taken down, and a handful of marines are terrible and corrupt, but the thing, as a whole, is not bad. Drum is part of the world government! So is Alabasta! And every character's hometown! Fishman Island's entire ambition is to fairly and completely join it, as equals, after all.

    Heck, when was the last time we had the marines as actual *villains* doing wrongs? Chasing down pirates and thus being against our heroes specifically doesn't count. So no, Aikanu killing Ace is not evil. Nuking Ohara with a buster call? Well that's definitely not a good thing.

    The last outright corrupt evil marine that was terrorizing innocent people purely for the sake of it we had was... Axe hand Morgan?

    ALSO keep in mind that, whatever issues the world government has... Luffy is going to find One Peice and start the great war within a few weeks or months. Whatever problems there are with bad people in charge? Will be taken care of inside of year.

    Joining the world government is not inherently bad. Aside from whatever messed up thing the 19 kings did 800 years ago that Alabasta refused to join in on.
    The World Government in One Piece are the central antagonists. What's happening in the One Piece world began centuries earlier. The treasure has been protected by Joyboy's allies for centuries because they failed to prevent whatever happened in the Voice Century from happening.

    The World Gov. is the apparatus created by these dark forces. Of course there are plenty of people within the ranks of the Marines and member nations of the WG who are not evil.

    But the World Government are the bad guys of One Piece.

    By the way, this same argument applies to Yamato sailing with the Straw Hats. Luffy's going to start a war in a short time. I'm not saying Yamato will remain on Wano - but if she does, it won't be for long. People act like her remaining on Wano means she'll never be free like Oden when we're talking about her staying there for a relatively short time in-universe until the endgame events begin. I'm not saying that it will happen this way, but Wano only needs protecting as long as there's something to protect it from (The World Government).

    The World Government are an active force for evil in the world, not a passive one. Which is why it is important Wano remains independent and is also the key reason Teach is not the person Roger is waiting for and isn't the final antagonist of One Piece.
    Last edited by Vongola_Boss_XI; October 19th, 2021 at 09:43 PM.
    Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

    "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

  12. #152

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    We as readers know the world is going to shake in a month. The characters don't know that. We as readers knwo the government is fucked up at the top and needs toppling. The characters don't know that.

    For all intents and purposes to the world at large, joining the group is a GOOD thing. And in the not too distant future, the public image of the GOOD thing will be actual truth what the tenryuubiito are taken down.

    And Yamato's dream, stated aloud, is explicitly to travel with Luffy. Not just "to sail" but to sail... with Luffy. That's not getting put on hold. We're not getting a Jinbe repeat.
    To support Viz hosting all Jump manga for FREE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
    https://www.viz.com/shonenjump

    Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
    Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version, and just discuss those releases in the spoiler thread.

  13. #153

    Default Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and Sanji?

    I've come to find out that apparently some people are hesitating of wanting characters like Yamato to join the crew because they're worried, if not, scared Zoro and Sanji won't be getting the second and third most important fights, as if characters' worth are only gauged by what fights they're apart of and will be devastating to the entire series. They even smack down Jinbe as underserving of being closer-knit in the crew for that same reason, despite having helped save Luffy at Marineford, as if there's fear that Jinbe and Yamato will be the "superior" two front wings on a dragonfly while Zoro and Sanji end up as the "inferior" two back wings.

    It's astounding really. Just can't even believe some people will resort to bringing other characters down, and even disrespect them with mudslinging regardless how much they've helped out, so as to bring other characters up out of favoritism. At that point, it's just looking like Zoro and Sanji are built on top of mountains of disrespect, slander, and just all around nasty mudslinging and that really obscures how characters are viewed for what they're doing on the whole. It makes me wonder how fragile the monster trio dynamic really is if one has to resort to down talk on characters like Jinbe and Yamato so as to keep Zoro and Sanji up high on silvery shiny pedestals in the sky.

    What do you guys think?
    Last edited by electricmastro; October 19th, 2021 at 11:53 PM.

  14. #154

    Default Re: Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and San

    I do not believe anyone stronger than Zoro and Sanji will join the crew. Oda seems intent on preserving the 'monster trio' dynamic.
    Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

    "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

  15. #155

    Default Re: Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and San

    Zoro and Sanji could easily get a major power boost before the end of an arc, even if the new character(s) are technically stronger than them when they first show up.

  16. #156

    Default Re: Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and San

    I have no problem with a character stronger than Zoro and Sanji, or at their same level, joining the crew. And that might be the case with Yamato, just like Oden was arguably as strong as Rayleigh and Scopper (or even stronger), so there's the precedent. And Yamato will be there at the top of the crew because he is already a powerhouse. So even if Yamato doesn't grow stronger anymore, we're already talking about someone who can hold a Yonkou, someone who's possibly equal to an Admiral, which is more or less the highest tier.

    By the end of the series, Zoro and Sanji might be stronger than Yamato, but only slightly. It's not the same as Robin and Jimbe, who were strong, but there was a lot of room to surpass them since the ceiling was much above them. That said, the importance of Sanji and Zoro goes beyond Yamato, since they're pillars of the crew since the start of the manga, for the readers and for the crewmates, and now they're the Wings.

  17. #157

    Default Re: Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and San

    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    I have no problem with a character stronger than Zoro and Sanji, or at their same level, joining the crew. And that might be the case with Yamato, just like Oden was arguably as strong as Rayleigh and Scopper (or even stronger), so there's the precedent. And Yamato will be there at the top of the crew because he is already a powerhouse. So even if Yamato doesn't grow stronger anymore, we're already talking about someone who can hold a Yonkou, someone who's possibly equal to an Admiral, which is more or less the highest tier.
    I suppose so. I mean, for someone like Yamato for example who spent multiple years fighting and training against an Emperor, I don't think it would ruin the series if Yamato had more experience than Zoro and Sanji. I'd still keep reading, though I suppose others would stop reading altogether.

  18. #158

    Default Re: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta View Post
    Oda directly stated that Momonosuke has the mind of a child. I don't think there's any chance he'll wed Momonosuke to anyone in the present.
    Momonosuke was physically aged to his rightful age. The wedding doesn't have to be immediate. They can be engaged until Momo matures mentally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Just like I said about the Oden parallel to Yamato, he wasn't foreshadowed. Oda didn't have a plethora of foreshadowing for that. Before Oden, you all thought Roger could read the poneglyph cuz he could hear the voice of all things.

    So yeah same way Oden just popped and got his story delved in to, same can happen with Yamato as he joins.


    Oden became more than just a translator to the Roger pirates.


    Why does this matter? We're talking about Yamato.

    Nobody has ever said if a character knew Ace that means they're joining the crew.

    You pretending like Yamato's connection to Ace is an afterthought given what Ace has meant to Yamato and Luffy is ridiculous though.



    Then maybe you're not paying attention to the hints?

    I mean its not like a ton of ppl knew what Robin's importance to the story would be at all. She was an archeologist and assassin. Those are not ship positions.

    Then there's Jimbe but I'm sure you saw all the hints of a helmsman back during Impel Down and Marineford as they sailed in one direction.


    Its pretty simple if you look at the parallels and their stories. Both were trapped in a place they wanted to leave. Both wanted to explore the world and go on adventures. Oden eventually got to do that. Then came back to his homeland and chose a new path in opening the countries borders. Yamato admires all of that to an extreme extent given his loneliness to the point that after seeing how Oden died he wanted to be him. So like Oden, Yamato wanted to be free, go on adventures, etc. but he also wanted to complete/achieve what Oden couldn't in opening Wano's borders. His initial plan was to leave, go on adventures, and like he swore to the samurai return to Wano in 20 years like Oden said and help drive Kaido out of Wano. Instead he was trapped there for all that time but he still plans to free Wano and then do what he couldn't before, go on adventures and explore the world like Oden did.

    Momo isn't like his father. He's barely right now got the confidence to stand up to Kaido and do things on his own. He needs to be chastised in to it by Luffy and Yamato.

    Luffy obviously is a bit more like Oden in that he does what he wants, is free, and has pretty much been doing all the things Oden did as WB and Roger pirate.

    This honestly probably shouldnt have to be explained if you're paying attention to that rather large part of the story.


    Yeah, its just a gag at this point.


    Just cuz Yamato said Luffy is mire Oden than him doesn't mean Luffy is Oden.

    Its really not making sense why you would actually think that.

    Why would it? Yamato isn't a swordsman. He isn't a collector of all things Oden. What does Oden's sword being in Zoro's possession have to do with his diversity?

    It doesn't really make sense to me.


    I don't think this matters at all.

    It only matters if Oda wants to keep doing it. If he does then the character will. Plenty of the audience are not entertained by Sanji perving out on women or Brook asking to see women's panties or Sanji's reaction to okama but Oda keeps doing it and those seem to be 3 things he'll never stop using as jokes. Just like Zoro's poor direction.


    Sure.

    Just like all the other times Luffy denied ppl from sailing with him


    Its okay if you think this.


    You're leaving out parts of the story. Yamato was interested in Luffy once Ace started telling stories about him to Yamato.

    Momo isn't going to die and he doesn't need Yamato's protection.


    At least 10 years where he would then mentally be 18.

    I'm sure he'll try to act older than he is but he's still a kid.

    And I do not see Yamato falling in love with a child. That's pretty much pedophilia.


    Yeah, no.

    Yamato doesnt need to have sex with a child in a man's body and have his children ti be like Oden.

    That's really not what Oda was going for by having Yamato say he wants to be Oden.

    Lest we not forget Yamato assumed the gender role of a man to be more like Oden. Oden never got pregnant and had children so Yamato won't.


    Never said they did.


    They'll lose.

    Who said thats going to happen?

    It's not.


    Why not the ppl of Wano? The samurai? The ninja?

    Plenty allies around to fight if that's what the WG want to do.

    Its Kaido. Even if he loses he's still the leader.

    This would be a terrible guess.

    Yamato does not become the de facto leader of a pirate crew he isn't even a part of. Especially after beating them all up all night.

    Also you forget about the Big Mom pirates. Those WG ships will be lucky to make it to Wano.
    Separating is bothersome so I'll lump my response together.

    I believe Oda will foreshadow who joins the crew especially this late in the series. That has been the trend if you go back. I expect more foreshadowing not less.

    What do you infer will be Yamato's ship role? Even if someone didn't know Robin's or Jinbe's roles hints were there.

    Many of the Beast Pirates will not be following Kaido after this battle. These leftovers may be welcomed to join under Shogun Momo as refugees. Rather Wano soldiers than WG prisoners.

    Diversity as in uniqueness. Yamato shtick is all things Oden but yet doesn't even believe they are the most Oden person. Plus another SH crewmate possesses one of Oden's swords. It makes me question who is Yamato without Oden.

    Momo was an 8 year old boy who timetraveled 20 years into the future. Now Momo has been physically aged to match the timeline. The laws of reality cannot be taken so seriously in One Piece. This includes relationships between a child in man's body and an oni woman. If they did actually ended up together it wouldn't be as terrible as you're making it out to be. Momo has already done questionable things to Nami and Robin as a perverted 8 year old. Yamato being attracted to a grown Momo that resembles Oden is a possibility.

    All of Wano's ninjas, samurai, and people AFTER WAR aren't enough to scare off the WG. Adding remnants of the Beast Pirates and Yamato helps in protecting Wano.

    Yamato joining the Kozuki Clan seems fitting for a character who idolizes Kozuki Oden. Yamato may have the choice be to leave Wano with Luffy or stay in Wano to bond with Momonosuke about Oden. Would Oden leave Momonosuke again when Wano needs him most?

    I noticed you have not voted. Are you unsure?
    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    What was the foreshadowing for Usopp? Or Robin? Heck, Vivi is an unnofficial strawhat and we know as a matter of record Oda made her up on the spot. (also all the Supernovas, including Law)

    Cook, doctor, shipwright, musician are jobs they picked out in advance and actively hunted for. They never hunted for an archeologist or a helmsman (or a navigator for that matter.) Everyone else they've just met as they've gone. Even Jinbe's weird decade long case they didn't specify a need for a helmsman until after he already joined.
    Foreshadowing means it will have some significance later in the story. It doesn't mean the crew has to actively look for it.

    Koby mentioned Zoro. Luffy was piqued with interest.
    Koby and Zoro mentioned at different times to Luffy about needing a navigator. Zoro indirectly complimented Nami's navigation skills.
    Usopp's dad being Yasopp who is in Luffy's favorite crew.
    The cook allusions refer to Sanji.
    Luffy stated he likes snow and built a snowman. Chopper was referenced as an Abominable Snowman who happens to the alluded doctor.

    Vivi is a clear anomaly that was not planned and is still being handled as a such. She is a princess that is a part time crew member hence the 5.5. She should only be used for comparison if you expect the same for Yamato as 10.5

    Robin was introduced as the mysterious enemy that was actually helpful. Her ability to read Ponegliffs alluded to the mystery of how to get to One Piece.
    Franky is a needed carpenter that "resembles" Luffy's drawing.
    Brook had features and connections we the reader realized Luffy wanted since the beginning.
    Jinbe was name-dropped way before his appearance. Jesus Burgess is the helmsman for the BB Pirates. Jinbe displayed helming in ID/MF so the evidence was there to interpret.

    What can be interpreted about Yamato? Never mentioned before Wano. No clear ship role. A dream almost as vague as Carrot's. Yamato has not displayed any feats nor features that Luffy has shown interest in the past like Chopper or Brook.

    I believe Oda has planned who the next crewmate is well in advance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    Yes.

    Then he will be a crew member. Also they do not have the same connection. You do get how not all connections are the same right?

    So you do get there are more meaningful connections. And Yamato drank with Ace. The deepest connection Luffy had with Ace was their Peach Garden Promise. The blood oath matters a ton for Luffy and Jinbe. But Yamato being this close to Ace? There has to be a point. Either brother or crew member. And it's most likely crew member.

    Kind of does after saying he will.

    The WG will treat them better but you better believe they will be part of the WG after this arc. Open boarders means they will join the WG in some form.
    Luffy's and Yamato's bond is not special. Yamato and Ace are not "brothers" just because they drank together. As you mentioned, Ace, Sabo, and Luffy made a brothers oath and spent months/years with each other. It hasn't even been a day between Luffy and Yamato.

    The Kozuki Clan closed the borders se time ago from some threat. Probably the WG. Just because Wano opens its borders does not mean it will join the WG.
    Bounty: 382M Quirks: High Places | Garchu
    Roles: Ship Guard | Ship's Cat | Lookout
    Clues: Ch 175 | Statue | Foxy Flag | Paw DF
    Dreams: Travel w/ PK | The Dawn
    Survival: Moon Resurrection | Will of P

  19. #159

    Default Re: Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and San

    I don't give a shit about power levels. WHo cares?

    Luffy got beat up by Apoo at the start of the arc. It doesn't matter, Oda will make the enemies exactly as strong and tricky as they need to be.. There being more powerhouses doesn't matter especially since we're heading into endgame anyway.
    Last edited by Robby; October 20th, 2021 at 02:01 AM.
    To support Viz hosting all Jump manga for FREE and day of release, Arlong Park will now support the official release.
    https://www.viz.com/shonenjump

    Official chapter discussions now start Sundays at Noon, EST.
    Please do not post threads when scan sites release their version, and just discuss those releases in the spoiler thread.

  20. #160

    Default Re: Will it be devastating if a new crewmate displays more strength than Zoro and San

    I'm not using strength as an argument against anyone joining. But if any character joins, I do not believe they will be stronger than Zoro and Sanji.
    Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker

    "ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate

+ Reply to Thread

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 4 users browsing this thread. (2 members and 2 guests)

  1. 081kda
  2. Nilitch

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts